65: Carl A. P. Ruck - The Road to Eleusis; The Myth of Christ

[@gunkwretch3697]

this man is the Galileo of religious studies, offering a whole new lens from which to view things

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

It's wild!

[@zipperpillow]

Well spoken. Well thought. Gunkwrench ain't faking it.

[@blackreazor]

Dr. Hillman is one the greatests minds of our generation.

[@zipperpillow]

It's not Ammon Hillman. Before him there was Carl Ruck, who is exactly like this old Hero, whose name is also Carl Ruck. Remember that name. Carl Ruck. Although, I agree with you that Hillman is spilling the beans lately, Dr. Ruck asked the essential question, "WTF is all of this?".

[@pariaheep]

Finally I've found my tribe of thinkers! I read ALL of Carl Rucks' books and I can tell you: if you are in search of the Alchemical Gold, Carl Ruck (and his excellent team) is the man! Praise!

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Truly! I've enjoyed all of his books. I feel grateful for his work.

[@Helios1089]

“Poems of Passion” is a collection of poems by Ella Wheeler Wilcox that was published in 1883. Many may know her “Solitude” #67. Less celebrated is number 65 is titled “At Eleusis”. I, at Eleusis, saw the finest sight, When early morning's banners were unfurled. From high Olympus, gazing on the world, The ancient gods once saw it with delight. Sad Demeter had in a single night Removed her sombre garments! and mine eyes Beheld a 'broidered mantle in pale dyes Thrown o'er her throbbing bosom. Sweet and clear There fell the sound of music on mine ear. And from the South came Hermes, he whose lyre One time appeased the great Apollo's ire. The rescued maid, Persephone, by the hand He led to waiting Demeter, and cheer And light and beauty once more blessed the land.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Beautiful! Thank you for sharing this.

[@MartaSpendowska]

Beauty! Thank youuuuu 🍄

[@cfrances]

I am so immensely grateful for this talk, thank you.

[@SergeySus]

Appreciate the effort you put into the show. I think Ruck has an amazing understanding of self and the world around him. I also think he has a huge set of balls for putting all the information public and has single-handedly taken on the church and what it stands for. In his case, the pen has been mightier than the sword has been for thousands of years.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

HUGE balls, indeed. Thank you for listening!

[@olivierf.4931]

As if the church was the real danger for our freedoms today! What a naive view.

[@animalswin2105]

As a woman reading this makes me feel we women are cowardice and courage is a virile value. How untrue. Anyhow I see what you mean about what Ruck did.

[@billwhite9701]

Great Conversation Great Book by Brian and Carl , has changed my perspective once again love it Thank you. ❤🙏😊

[@geoffreynhill2833]

An articulate, educated, informed and well-spoken interviewer. A rare treat.

[@geoffreynhill2833]

I enrolled for Psychology at a Northern UK University in the 60s but they'd gone over to Behaviourism, generously supported by local industry who'd be interested in how many erg / man hours they could get with the lever on the left of a machine and the "go" light on the right - compared to vice versa. I quit. The department was situated close by the Anglican Chaplaincy in a little retreat by the promising name of Mushroom Lane. So it goes, as Uncle Kurt Vonnegut used to say.

[@geoffreynhill2833]

Yes, Doc, all truly great discoveries alter consciousness.

[@geoffreynhill2833]

And LSD is a formula for de-doctrination.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Yep. I had that experience with behaviorism as well. I'm glad I learned it, and I'm also glad that is not all that I learned.

[@FortuneForecasts]

Thank you for such a great interview. Carl Ruck is such a beautiful soul. Truth is liberating.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Agreed!🙏

[@colubrinedeucecreative]

Great interview! Ruck is a genius and selfless hero. Thanks for this! Hillman is the reason I am here hearing him reference it.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you

[@zacharypeach1777]

Thank you for showing your guest respect and introducing them, showing the audience where you can read more about them etc. so that the actual interview can not include all that extra stuff

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

They each deserve more respect than I can communicate within the time allotted. Thank you for your feedback!

[@TurnRacing]

man I love that you just patiently sat and listened and let Carl talk. Very cool

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Not patient ... in a trance 😜✌️🌓. Dr. Ruck's breadth of knowledge is intoxicating. Thank you for tuning in!

[@jennifercabral]

Just bought three of his books after this interview. Thank you for sharing this precious material.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Of course! I’m so glad the spirit moved you. Enjoy the reading. I love his material.

[@GnosticInformant]

Bring Eleusis back!

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Thanks for your channel! Great stuff!!!

[@iammaxhammer]

*Make Eleusis Great Again!* MEGA

[@sarah-jaynemcdonald2594]

​@@iammaxhammer😂

[@sarah-jaynemcdonald2594]

​@@iammaxhammerI love it! 😆

[@iammaxhammer]

@@sarah-jaynemcdonald2594 hahaha can you imagine a Greek politician running on that catch phrase 😂😂😂

[@courtneybrown6204]

Thank you so much for this conversation! I'm reading The Road now. Thank you Dr Ruck for your courage to teach us this information.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

What an amazing read! I received the benefit of that book as well. Apparently, the good professor is a literary fountain.

[@jameswcoppedge]

"What was practiced secretly at Eleusis, was practiced openly at Knossos" - H. Marshall McLuhan

[@wethepeople8280]

What is this quote from?

[@jameswcoppedge]

@@wethepeople8280 a lecture/interview of Marshall McLuhan. I’d have to do some digging to note which one.

[@wethepeople8280]

@@jameswcoppedge thanks for the response. Don’t worry about it. I’ll go checkout the interviews with him. You happen to remember the focus of the interview so I can narrow down the search?

[@voidcomm14]

Share pls

[@Kid_Ikaris]

This is a Terrance McKenna quote from the talk "Touched by the Tremendum" given in New York City in 1990. The quote reads in full: "What the ancient authors said, what was practiced secretly at Eleusis was practiced openly at Knossos." I do not know what ancient authors McKenna was referring to but it's worth noting that his frame of reference included texts that may not be available in digitized form. Some of which were destroyed in his library of rare books which was lost in a fire. On a personal note I think what is so amazing about McLuhan's work isn't that he was versed in the history of psychedelic drugs, but rather that he was able to access a psychedelic perspective from studying the works of Joyce and medieval manuscript culture. It is, along with Jung, validation of the psychedelic experience from two brilliant thinkers who never took the drugs themselves.

[@sharonjacks4871]

I've listened to this interview twice now and enjoyed watching on this platform. Loving the Sacred Speaks and I appreciate the community!

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

So glad you’re here, Sharon!

[@virginiedjebar1513]

Merci beaucoup pour la traduction C est la première fois que je trouve autant d informations sur ce sujet passionnant ! Gratitude Merci

[@IainAllanMills]

Such a great cast. Thank you John and Carl. 🙏

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

So glad you’re enjoying it! Me too!

[@psychekaleidoscope7665]

I have intuitively approached hallucinogens spiritually. I haven’t taken them many times. I was given an 8th of mushrooms on the beach and then began to play my violin. I saw the stars form into dancing twinkling horses. Also was given another entheogen at a wedding where I was playing Ave Maria. Best time I ever played it.

[@Zacchus]

“Encountering ideas that I never had in my imagination”…. I couldn’t have put it better. It’s quite mind blowing when you first hear about the things Ammon is reading in ancient texts. Nothing can prepare you for Jesus’ arrest with the naked boy, Mary using the alabastron on Jesus, or the purple anus. 🤘

[@ClaireSweets]

Really Great to hear this. I've read on this subject before, but great hearing this from an expert.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

And, on this subject, THE expert 😜

[@cikarda]

Love it! Good choice to add video, I tend to dislike audio only podcasts because I like to look on the peoples faces when they talk. Excellent content, subscribed

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

So glad you are enjoying it, and I totally agree. On my end the video option opens up so much more in terms of the creative landscape. It is exciting to contemplate aspects of video editing. Thank you!

[@cikarda]

@@TheSacredSpeaks absolutely! I would also recommend dressing as sharp as you possibly can for the podcast - the topics you discuss across all of them are pretty serious and I think having a serious outfit would instantly elevate the look and feel of it. All the very best to you, keep up the great work! Excellent stuff 🔥

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

@@cikarda thank you! This is good feedback.

[@donluptowski9296]

This, all the way

[@killsnoobs4155]

Great content, I wish topics like this garnered more attention

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

More and more everyday:)

[@Ricky-Noll]

My goodness thank you for doing these they’re incredible

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Thank you for tuning in! I love this work.

[@lomigreen]

Rich, meaty discussion here. Really helpful for my further studies in consciousness. Thank you so much!

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Great to hear. Dr. Ruck's books continue to provide guidance for me. What an important teacher!

[@1saxonwolf]

Mushrooms, Myth & Mithras is ordered and on the way. Can't wait for this one !!

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Such a fantastic read. Enjoy it. Dr. Ruck's articles and books do not disappoint.

[@TrueSkoolMusic]

around 37 min - i got hooked. really started to connect and relate for me. nice work all! (note: i have not heard of any of these ppl or followed this channel it was suggested via youtube)

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Welcome aboard! Glad to know it found you!

[@nicholasmatthew9687]

This video and channel is so highly underrated.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Thank you, Nicholas. I'm glad that this project is enlivening for you.

[@tgh212000]

The non commercial or less commercial Music Festivals is a wonderful setting to use entheogens and psychedelics. Especially when many people are partaking also .Always makes me feel connected to something primal .

[@olasylvia1]

Check out “The Body of Myth” by N. Samsonese . Incredible and life changing perspective . Myth as rooted in the body , our body. Very logical and in line with all that’s being said here. Also, you’re on the right track asking about the women’s role in all this. We’re now just scratching the surface of the enormous distortion that denigration of the Goddess has wrought. Starting with the deliberate smear campaign by the all male church, declaring priestess were prostitutes ( Mary Magdalene wants her reputation back !) , mistranslation of ancient texts , witch burning, etc. It’s a huge topic, but yes, the Feminine is the missing half of the equation. Jesus talking to the woman at the well is such a classic- the church spun it around her “ sinfulness”, what a bunch of crap. As if no man was a sinner? But the point was that he was talking to a Woman , the feminine in us, because that’s what is open to feeling, not attached to rational dogmas. The disciples were upset, that’s the ego protesting and disbelieving the Spirit. And on the word Spirit itself - look into the gender change it got from the Greek Sophia-Wisdom into the masculine Spiritus in Latin. We are living in a mental chaos caused by these false translations . The trinity was never all male , the Spirit was the Holy Ghost, Wisdom , what we now call Nature . Lift every rock and I Am there. Check out the incredible talks of Bill Donahue , all about dispelling the literalism of the church . Btw. literalism is what our “ disease” could be called. Alphabet replaced the right- brain perception of humanity , changed our entire being which we are now recovering thanks to the entheogens. Another great read on this topic is “The Alphabet and the Goddess”, so third- eye opening! And lastly- this is long, lol- please don’t apologize for saying what’s interesting to you ! That’s what our souls need most of all - expression of what our heart seeks . Thanks so much for these interviews, you’re doing a great service to the world .

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

This comment is on fire! Thank you for pointing us all in new direction. Your comment reaches deep within the reasons why I am so eager to engage more with a community. I will follow your leads and see where they take me. I'm glad the topic stirs so much. It certainly does for me. I'm on your wave here in reference to the interpretation problem. SO much is lost.

[@john.premose]

Thats rubbish! The Latin word was masculine in gender. Are you seriously saying that Christians changed the grammatical gender of the noun? Dont be ridiculous. Your comment was very interesting until you said that absurdity

[@animalswin2105]

Thank you so much, I rejoice with your words, I will get these books. Have you read The Language of the Goddess?

[@olasylvia1]

@@john.premose I don't believe you read my words carefully enough. I don't say anything about changing the word itself . I say that Christian church translated from a feminine greek word for "spirit" into a masculine latin "spiritus". Point being Spirit was understood as feminine before that, and the churcjh turned that into a masculine trinity, no room for the feminine. I would read a bit more carefully and maybe comment a bit less angrily.

[@john.premose]

@@olasylvia1 uh, the word spiritus is masculine in Latin. I actually studied Latin and you apparently did not. You do realize that not all Christians spoke Latin right? So the fact that spiritus is masculine in Latin has zero relevance outside the western church. There were and are Christians who use Greek, Coptic, Syriac, Armenia, Georgian, Russian, Amharic, Arabic and many other languages since ancient times. Therefore the gender of the word in Latin has absolutely zero relevance to all those people

[@zacharypeach1777]

I really love how you do a lot of research of the people you interview. Also that you let them finish their thoughts. I do wish you would speak up a little more because sometimes it’s hard for me to understand certain words you say

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Will do. I'll keep an ear out for sound issues. Thank you

[@patrickkeyes5916]

Carl P. Ruck is fascinating, and I want to start reading him. But, for clarity’s sake, though Nazareth didn’t become a city until 300 A.D., it was a settlement as far back as 2200 B.C.

[@forthepotentates7526]

Got blown the f out by the work of that Ammon dude you mentioned. Insanely good

[@Zacchus]

Just curious if you continued to follow Ammon’s work (his books and Lady Babylon). 🤘🏻

[@exqsit]

I enjoyed this podcast 👍

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Thank you! I still have a long way to go mining through Dr. Ruck's books.

[@eusanik]

"We didn't stay in the Caves, we didn't stay on the Planet!"

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Some would say, at least mythical, that there isn’t such a difference in this places of darkness and mystery. The vast possibilities of human history and consciousness are mind blowing 🌗💫🌍☄️

[@TheGuiltsOfUs]

Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon and the truth. - Buddha

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Thank you for this! I’ve really been sitting with the ideas it truth this week. It’s not just morality, but so much more…it is energy.

[@messias-x1t]

thank you

[@donnaandara]

Ritual, initiation and psychedelics are a powerful transformative sacrament. A legit path.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Indeed! The initiation piece is fascinating.

[@donnaandara]

Often preceded by ordeal, catharsis and critical breakthrough. Holotropic breathwork is similar but more body based

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

@@donnaandara One of these days I will sit with a Holotropic breath work teacher. In my reading today, I was reviewing the history of Transpersonal Psychology by way of author Mark Ryan. Within the text he provides a few references to Grof. There really seems to be something to the Holotropic work.

[@donnaandara]

I heart Grof. The somatic input into consciousness cannot be overlooked

[@vickishook9715]

@@TheSacredSpeaks Any chance of Grof making an appearance on The Sacred Speaks? These guys are going to slip away from us soon, and who will take their place? Who will carry the torch, continue the research?

[@annhenry6056]

Excellent interview

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Thank you!

[@wonderwen]

Wonderful interview, I appreciate Dr. Ruck and his insights, wisdom, and research so very much! The dropbox link to Dr. Ruck's recent work is not working, could you please give an updated or correct link?

[@Podling_Dan]

Glad to have found your channel!

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Indeed! Thank you for joining.

[@cleosamantha]

What did he mean by “polyethnicity”? Does that mean maintaining our diversity or does it mean that each individual is an amalgamation of many ethnicities? Reducing diversity

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

I can't speak for him, though I love that you've highlighted this. I'm on the hunt.

[@soulsuccess]

Please interview Darren Le Baron. He covers this exact same topic but more so from the African/ indigenous origin that predates ancient Greece. He connects the dots on a much broader scale. Great interview though.

[@SWhitely]

love the light show circling Ruck...Mr. "the Sacred Speaks" we can hardly hear you for all your formal equipment

[@MrBlazingup420]

Here something to think about, the words "He Knows Dope" played backwards says "Four Twenty", have you ever heard the phrase "go see so an so he has the dope on them", every 60 years the Dogon tribe celebrates the cycle of Sirius, the Dog Star, for 7 years, 60x7=420 and smoke a lot of weed, and Romans called Sirius Canicula; puppy dog when it rose with the sun, ending late August about the time the sun would begin to Rise in Virgo. A Babylonian star map show Sirius as a Rooster and like Venus called the Morning star. The sun just entered Virgo, the Virgin, another word for Rooster is Cock, your morning Star, In Irish mythology Orion would be Lugh, who traveled with his hound whelp (Puppy Dog). Sirius rolls with the 365.25 year and drops out of sight for 70 days, the Son of Lugh was called Setanta which means 70, Venus spends 35 weeks on each side of the sun, 35+35=70 and a week of weeks (7X7) behind the sun, Setanta became known as Cuchulain, Cu meaning a wolf or hound, Listen close to Setanta it sounds like Set-Dawn-Day, Setting Sun Dawn Sun High day Sun. here we have 70 minutes of twilight 35 min dusk&dawn, maybe later I'll show 7 in the cycles of the planets I use Say It Backwards, the words, Eyes See All I wolf I too Will Come in reverse it says Macula Lutea Fovea Eyes See All, and the words for Venus is Sin Eve, where have you have you heard that from, Every 20 years Jupiter & Saturn meet after 3 times (60 Yrs) they form a triangle. the words "Nudest Her The Beast" played backwards says Jupiter Saturn. If the Virgo the Virgin conceived she would give birth in Gemini the twins, Virgo is where you find the dog kennel about the breast of Virgo, was it not Romulus and Remus that, sucked the She-Wolf. Dr. Ruck may see Cuchulain as a wolf warrior, a quick search for "hound of Ulster" brings up many pages of Cuchulain and Son of the Hound of Ulster brings up McCullough and the Macalla, Irish for Echo, is Ah Welcome, Her Star will say Roger meaning famous spear. Earliest images of Jesus was a Donkey-headed man on a cross, Culo is slang for Ass, Norse mythology ass is a word for god. Was Cuchulain Jesus, many folks think so. Is Sagittarius riding a horse or Ass. They all Rule will echo Orion Her Message Say There Is A Guess will echo Sagittarius December, on the back of Pabilsag (Sagittarius) you see the guest, an Apkallu

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

This message deserves a few reads. I'm keeping at it. Thank you.

[@cagedoctaves]

Would be interested to hear what Dr. Ruck thinks about John Lamb Lash and his book "Not In His Image" (15th Anniversary Edition) via Chelsea Green Publishing.

[@atendriyadasa6746]

I listened to A LOT of the McKenna brothers esp Terrence and can't recall him ever pointing in Prof. Ruck's direction. Was Terrence unaware that sOMeone, named Carl Ruck, had indeed (along with others!) DAWNED upon the location of "7 dwarves diamond mine" or did I miss that ?!

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Such amazing intersections!!

[@animalswin2105]

There s a KZbin audio of McKenna talking about the psychedelics used during the Elysian Mysteries, just type 'eleusis' or 'elysian Mysteries ' in the search option and you will see the McKenna video. So it seems that he did read some of Rick's work but somehow reappropriated it

[@rjbrinkman80]

At 7:24 in this video, Terence calls out and credits Carl Ruck’s work with Wasson and Hoffman as having been revolutionary. My sense is he saluted and emphasized Ruck’s work. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIjEZHh5lLOIgbs

[@mandys1505]

It is good to ask , what is the self? In meditation, we can discern the difference between the watcher.... and the persona...the mind is producing thoughts which normally we identify as ourselves, the voice inside our head. But once we experience radical self doubt- we can think, am I the watcher, ami i the thoughts/the voice inside which is always going..... or am i my body, or what. And i suppose the awareness...and am all of those things. The Trinity is a captivating concept to me because it relates to this fundamental experience of the self and it's uncanniness. It's un-homelike-ness..... Also I have been paying attention to astrology and am interested in the tradition of doctors in the past, correlating their treatments and insights to astrological influence on our bodies and minds. Now that psychedellic drugs are accepted as valid topics of research in academia, i wonder if also now astrology will be brought back into the practice of medicine. In Ruck's book The Apples of Apollo, I was so disturbed at reading his idea that the serpent in the tree offering the fruit of knowlege was actually Christ- And that every serpent is the christ..... Sometimes when i listen to the works of the Gnsotics, i get upset in the same way. The imagistic power of the serpent in the tree is just mind blowing, you know... So when the primal image was turned inside out, i was deeply affected. I hope that you will consider interviewing him again

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

What a beautiful thread. I have similar mind-expanding moments. Thank you for offering yours here.... and, I would consider it an honor to interview Dr. Ruck again. He's written sooooo much.

[@mandys1505]

@@TheSacredSpeaks 💜🐣i think that both Freud and Heidegger wrote something about the unheimleikeit or the uncanny, unhomelike... i did just connect it with the placing or locusing of the self now watching your video...especially at one point when you asked- why was xtianity so catching or was it more resonating with the primal matter or the mind, more than the others? i'm an ex-catholic, too. And i miss certain things about being at mass: i always thought parts of it were mysterious and in their nature, speaking to the unanswerable. It's as if we are being asked a question and we answer it by this ritual...which seems profound but somewhat innocent and childish as well as that it is also childishly cryptic :) like..saying "peace to you" randomly shaking everyones hands around yourself at a certain point like 3/4 of the way thru the mass...and that was always a kind of chaos and a kind of thrill which was momentarily allowed and then immediateley repressed::::as mass then formulaically then proceeded. And saying, chanting , "Let us celebrate the mystery of Faith...." and then everyone responds, slowly and solemnly, "A-men..." 🖤🌅I love learning about these mystery cults, and i loved what Dr Ruck said about God being a form of our collevtive consciousness which we can choose to give a personhood to, but don't have to.... It changes things quite a bit because it deflates the excitement of enountering a personalized diety, i must admit!

[@David029201]

Awesome stuff! Keep up the good work, you’re a solid host with a good deal of curiosity, this is my first time seeing you & I subscribed for more within 5min (don’t do that often at all so hopefully that speaks further to your respectability). Thanks for the knowledge!

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Welcome aboard! And thank you for your comment. I do believe that curiosity is one of my most beloved personality traits - and I am completely grateful to follow the muse through this process.

[@thubten2001]

You are one of the discovers of Dr. Hillman. He has recently developed some fame. Maybe you could interview him. You've had 3 years to think about this conversation.

[@paulksycki]

Everyone has trouble explaining and conceptualizing this. I propose think capacitor, Leyden jar, dielectric separation of the inside and outside.

[@Nivloc317]

I have read all books mentioned in this segment. The arguments are framed quite solidly and the thesis is sound. The counter arguments have many holes in them, and furthermore their suggestion that a mystic experience derived via psychoactive substances diminishes their personal or cultural value is not born out by the research I have seen.

[@cleosamantha]

His ecological inclination sounds fairly similar to Hildegard von Bingen. We’re here to do Gods work on earth, to protect it.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Yes, have you watched the recent episode with Wouter? Long conversation, though touches on this thread.

[@animalswin2105]

There s a book : "Femina" on important Medieval women and Hildegard is regarded as way more talented than Leonardo da Vinci. I am interested in her, but I would bet money her true work was censored and disposed off early on.

[@danbethel3195]

It demeans the message

[@oculusoccultus6842]

Great!!!

[@oscillatingdailyaudio]

there is always the "other", but that doesn't mean it has agency. Remember this guy worked with Wasson and Hoffman both of whom worked with the CIA.

[@bellezavudd]

The therapuetic fertilizer. HOLY SHIT ! 💗💗💗💗

[@marcosvictorica9040]

What the name of the book and author you mentioned about scientifics that changed their approaches after having tryed the psychedelics? I think you mentioned Jeff something. Thsk

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Ah, yes. That was, The Flip, by Jeffrey Kripal. Amazing book. The book was not limited to psychedelic experience. What Jeff suggests is that there are a number of experiences that we all have access to and if an experiencer's worldview is further up the ladder to materialism then that worldview struggles to remain a stable worldview when an individual actually experiences exotic and previously unimaginable states of awareness.

[@Redington931]

Not to downplay this interview, but what is that song at the end? it's pretty dope.

[@jong.7944]

Ehhh, the psychoactive drink theory doesn't explain a whole lot... the Greeks were very familiar with pharmakion (which included the use of such potions) and if that was the big secret, it wouldn't have lasted contact with the skeptics of the age, of which there were many, and whatever the ingredient (mushroom?) used if such were the case would've been published. I think people are underestimating the power of ritual and frankly, the forces that we don't fully understand... the PGM for example includes a few Mystery rites which might be comparable to those of Eleusis, clearly written by a learned initiate - and they don't obviously depend on any use of pharmakion for their perceived efficacy.

[@lc2c177]

Would be good to make these things more explicit, especially the last bit re integration. What exactly is meant by that?

[@ShogunOrta]

So, if you see yourself, and everybody sees themselves, yet it is one being of many faces, how does that work? Kinda like Kosh from Babylon 5? Or is this a solypsism situation?

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

I love the old Zen saying..."if it's not paradox, then it's not true."

[@usertogo]

@1:13:00 not was there a YesUs, but how many, and how many 'prophets of the holy water' had been 'crucified'. Socrates might have been one of those initiates of the mysteries that was 'crucified' for revealing too much about that wonderful initiation and 'gover-ments' never liked anyone releasing 'platonic cave slaves'...

[@kevmeinert]

Who’s doing the water extraction and chemical analysis - replicating the process/recipe the priests used?? Seriously how many years do we have to wait…. Or maybe it’s not real…. So then what, does absence of this debunk the whole notion? Haven’t heard from Peter Weber in a while, I know he was pursuing this…?

[@cleosamantha]

I might be misunderstanding this talk but IMO psychedelics are a wholly inferior mode of accessing the “real world”. Similar to spiritual bypassing, letting noobs enter into something that requires purification and diligence in ascending to God - it is just wholly inferior to what you can do on your own, without the aid of physical “plant medicines”. I might be wrong.

[@cleosamantha]

This connected to the lingering humanistic tendency of our culture. A culture so lacking in divine connection that thier only way of rationalising it is through requiring a physical “transporter”, aka psychedelics.

[@thymeparzival]

In the same way that an artist uses water colors to paint her imagination, the mystic uses plant medicines to explore the depths of her own mind. Hence the reason the word psychedelic means mind (psyche) revealing (delos).

[@cleosamantha]

@@wes555 yeah, I’m not saying they don’t do anything. I’m saying it is an inferior way of connecting with God. Almost like riding a bicycle with training wheels. The spiritually advanced, not to sound up myself, can reach these states without external “help” - they only require God and use Gods emanation to reach Him.

[@cleosamantha]

@@wes555 I’m not indigenous. I’m mostly, if not only, concerned with what my/our European ancestors established as truth - because this is what would be best suited to my constitution. I should have prefaced my questioning with “pertaining to the European corpus of knowledge”.

[@cleosamantha]

@@wes555 “The foolish have no range in their scale” Emerson. Besides, it is not “my” opinion that it is “inferior”. I mostly get this notion from Plotinus. I’ll find the text if you would like to read it.

[@fiofiro5929]

25:51 - 28:11

[@mitchellbjerke272]

Early religious -- Then why did they use children ? Why did they not see that as wrong?

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Great question. Look up the Sambia people of Papua New Guinea, an anthologist did an analysis of different cultures and sexual rites of passage. I'm glad this is not a modern practice for us. It's horrifying to consider. I've worked for many years with people who suffer sexual trauma, and we all need to become more aware of how pervasive these traumas are - both within the shadows of our organized religious traditions and also in traumatized family systems.

[@MikeNewham]

1:00:55 More than a metaphor, a profound allegory > ""...Jesus Christ, i.e., the Man-God of the Christians copied from the Avatāras of every country, from the Hindu Krishna as well as the Egyptian Horus, was never a historical person. He is a deified personification of the glorified type of the great Hierophants of the Temples, and his story, as told in the New Testament, is an allegory, assuredly containing profound esoteric truths, but still an allegory. Every act of the Jesus of the New Testament, every word attributed to him, every event related of him during the three years of the mission he is said to have accomplished, rests on the programme of the Cycle of Initiation, a cycle founded on the Precession of the Equinoxes and the Signs of the Zodiac...." H.P. Blavatsky

[@vickishook9715]

Nail on the head...boom!

[@cosmicman621]

Christ came in flesh to fulfill..the exoteric law....but also to embody in truth...demonstration and fulfilment of..esoteric-perrenial..visionary grace....the Round Table Of Glorified Being

[@momacods5958]

1:43:00

[@x2mars]

Why did they keep the mystery a secret ?

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Great question! For me, I continue to ask, "Does the esoteric need to remain a secret?"

[@x2mars]

@@TheSacredSpeaks It seems as though, we have worked hard to make the knowledge of divinity an external experience. For what reason? Does it somehow lead to a more stable society? Does keeping a personal experience of god limited to only initiates somehow serve a greater good?

[@x2mars]

Although, I guess if people need to rely on an external divinity experience, described to them….well then you can describe it to them however you want. Enabling you to have them believe whatever you want.

[@theunseenstevemcqueen]

@1:00:09 it had to be kept secret that there is no secret

[@mickdaly2778]

Carl Ruck is a great interviewee 👍 But unfortunately your focus on psychotherapy of 'sick people' is not useful as these techniques should be used on some very psychology healthy people in our current dysfunctional society to return us to a truely healthy society. Healing the currently sick won't get us there!

[@bellezavudd]

👍💗

[@stevenclark5682]

No more mystery,We are Divine Beings but have been brainwashed since birth to be human $laves!!! Know thy true self!!!

[@atendriyadasa6746]

I don't get it. What's the joke about "378 book"?

[@Okaydokie001]

Where does it say mithras born of a virgin?

[@markandrzejak997]

Much of what I hear is about Christianity. It would be interesting to hear your take on the founding of Islam. One well established fact is Mohammed going off to a cave alone for long periods and coming back with sayings he heard by "God". Many of these saying were later superseded by later sayings. Also, Mohammed had rather strange explanations of how the universe is organized and the use of things for medicinal purposes like camel urine, once again as explained to him by "God". I see Mohammed doing exactly the things you say, just less covered up.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

You're providing such a valuable thread here. Something is covered up throughout history.

[@DM-zs7lg]

What?! SANTA CLAUSE?!

[@geoffreynhill2833]

The origins of Christianity circa 46:00. ( Is Dr. Ruck stoned? )🤔

[@Apearson4380]

He loses some credibility when saying the man Jesus wasn't a historical figure

[@olivierf.4931]

Is he advertising climate change propaganda?

[@animalswin2105]

Talking about protecting Nature is not rejoicing with the Schwab cabal. Ecocide is not to do with carbon dioxide (which the cabal wants to use to control us entirely through the soon to come carbon pass or passport). We humans have directly destroyed many animal species and forests and polluted oceans and are making anything on or even under the surface completely radioactive, as if we are demons or being controlled by such. The fact that transhumanist elites are saying that the Earth is changing and we damaged the climate is just using the reality, truth and distorting it (the carbon joke) to get total control over humanity.

[@johncracker5217]

Are you the sacred?

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

sometimes ... but, usually, I'm simply listening.

[@danbethel3195]

Don’t like bad language

[@Zematus737]

"Burned at the stake" eh?

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Many curious conditions interweave our human history when it comes to burning people at the stake. It's imperative that we understand them. I've started reading a few of the documents written by the inquisitors. Totally radical. Many conflicts colliding within the hearts and minds of these folks.

[@Zematus737]

@@TheSacredSpeaks The Spanish had an overreaction to the Muslim occupation and long years of rooting out people who believe their ideology gives them the right to lie about their faith until they have the upper hand in influence. Either way this movement was outside the authority of Rome and there is always corruption in a state that appoints their own bishops, as China does currently in defiance of Rome. If it is proven that people are involved in rituals that involve human blood there is generally and naturally going to be a visceral reaction to this. Exodus 22:18. The important detail is a fair trial and real evidence. Taking the worst examples of historical trials involving capital punishment doesn't disqualify every punishment involving crimes against humanity of the worst kind, which are offering innocents to Moloch. Things done in the dark for a reason. Imagining that society will someday change enough that it will tolerate such things is not realistic, since its breakdown will precede any such state. And any willful offering can never fully appease powers that can only mingle when the full spectrum of conflicting emotions vortex. That is why conscientious newcomers are brought in until they are useless in that they are totally lost as the others or become a liability because of their guilt. The sacred is not found in these circles, but only the profane. Its word, and light, is not welcome there. What could I possibly say to convince you that you have not seen the worst of it? And that you aren't going to change a thing about it, since the core of the occult always has its end in human blood mingled with lust, hatred, guilt and despair.

[@Podling_Dan]

Jesus definitely existed. Unless the disciples were really willing to die for a lie.

[@JamesDimond-l7u]

If he did he was Dionysian af

[@The-Secret-Team]

Lulz these clowns believe i climate change! 😂😂😂

[@theunseenstevemcqueen]

@ladybabylon666