63: Ammon Hillman: Jesus, Sex, Drugs, & Mystery Cults of Antiquity

This is one of the most controversial podcasts in the history of The Sacred Speaks; though controversy is familiar territory for the participant, Dr. DAC Hillman. Dr. Hillman began his doctoral research in the middle of a controversy that threatened him with a conflict between the choice of censuring his research to graduate with his doctorate or not pass. So he did what any self-respecting doctoral student would do - remove the controversial work from his dissertation, and the write a book about it. The Chemical Muse is that book whose central thesis circulates within and through the heart of the “offensive” content - the recreational and sacred use of drugs in classical antiquity. Though his advisors denied that people in classical antiquity used drugs both recreationally and within religious rites, the evidence currently underway confirms his censured thesis. But he did not stop there. Dr. Hillman’s research investigates practices by religious Mystery cults in the classic age who participated in the unimaginable, by modern standards. Have you ever imagined that the human body could or would be used as a pharmacy to produce antidotes to drugs and venoms administered to initiates of sacred Mysteries traditions; and that without those human produced antidotes, the initiate’s body would begin to fail? What if the bodies of both adults and children were used in such ways? Dr. Hillman and Dr. Price discuss ancient religion, translating ancient texts, hidden language, image, magic, witches, sexual abuse of children, Jesus and St. John, obscured practices within ancient Mystery cults, Magi, the body as pharmacy, Gnostics, heresy, censorship by those in power, homosexuality, the patriarchy, priestesses, myth, & Magic.
Bio:
Dr. DC Ammon Hillman earned his MS in Bacteriology and Ph.D. in Classics from the University of Wisconsin Madison, where he specialized in Ancient Greek and Roman medicine and pharmacy. His first book, The Chemical Muse, was published with St. Martin’s Press immediately after his dissertation committee forced him to delete all references to recreational drugs from from his thesis. Dr. Hillman also wrote Original Sin, a work about the use of drug-induced child rape in early Christian ritual. The publication of The Chemical Muse inspired the production of a lengthy History Chanel documentary on the history of drug use in the ancient world. After an official inquiry by the Catholic Church into allegations of demon possession, Dr. Hillman was fired from St. Mary’s University of Minnesota. He continues to write about the use of drugs in ancient mystery cults and tutors ancient Greek online.
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[@MrBohning]

Thank you so much for not censoring an academic discussion. Danny Jones censored it heavily and the whole point of the podcast is how important words are. Imagine a thousand years from now people examining our videos and not knowing the full text.

[@MrZack4life]

The higher beings of KZbin forbid it and he’s just trying not to be demonetized

[@froggysquid708]

KZbin censored it nincompoop

[@st1llfr338]

@@MrZack4life You people need to stop defending greed. KZbin didnt censored it he did. Beacuse he didnt want to lose money on that episode. And thats all there is too it. Hes mission is making money not showing us the truth. And thats just a fact.

[@seanhammer6296]

​​@@st1llfr338He only edited it for KZbin. The full video is on his website. He even said as much at the beginning of the video.

[@seanhammer6296]

KZbin deleted my replies here. I got a notification for this thread, but all my comments are gone.

[@fernandopalaciosramirez3304]

This is by far the best enterview of Ammon ever. Thank you for having this conversation and for letting the man speak. Greetings from México

[@n1devine]

I think this interview is a classic.

[@TheFrozenChildDick]

The one with carl ruck is my favorite . But this one is good too.

[@krispendleton4662]

I dont know what happened to his presentation style btween this episode and the Danny Jones podcast, but this is WAY easier to follow.

[@SazachaNancySktghaxeeahw-rp5gd]

Too much venom up the butt

[@willbaro5879]

@@SazachaNancySktghaxeeahw-rp5gd It's funny b/c it's true.

[@mav1789]

Drugs. What else...

[@twilight79010]

I wonder how much of it is Ammon's style changing, and how much of it was due to the dynamic between Danny and Ammon. I like Danny and subscribe to his channel, but he has a hard time grasping the arguments of a lot of his guests, and his demeanor can become bristly and guarded (borderline unfriendly) when this happens. I noticed it almost immediately in Danny's interview with Ammon. Whereas John (this interviewer) was very familiar with Ammon's work already and could kind of "speak the language" in a way Danny couldn't, and was immediately warmer and more open in terms of his attitude. I can't say for certain of course, but I have to imagine that kind of thing plays a big role in setting the tone for an interview. Most people are better at being interviewed if they feel welcomed and understood.

[@sherrym5556]

​@@twilight79010Agree 💯

[@fastcars1173]

To anyone watching that would like to see more material from Dr. Hillman, he now has a YT channel named Lady Babylon. I found this a little over halfway into his full series there. Very in depth!

[@robertharvey1577]

Thank you for that ! Much Love !

[@jakubgadzala7474]

Thx a lot! I was looking for it.

[@greysea9807]

This is my new fav person. 🙏

[@dennisprice3774]

Thank you for the info.

[@sherrym5556]

GROOVY! Thanks friend ✌️

[@n1devine]

Thank you so much for this interview, one which is destined to be and, perhaps already is, a classic. It is nice to see viewers discovering this after its debut three years ago. Bravo!

[@seducethemuse]

"I speak to these dead ppl through the muse" Everyone thinks he's being literal and crazy. But it's the words he says after that reveals the literal truth. " I read the texts" That's how you commute with the giants of the past.

[@ashleyogarro2686]

With all the phalices erected all over the Earth,what this man is revealing makes a lot of sense.

[@josiahz21]

It’s not shocking at all to those of us who remember how many priests have been in the news over the decades of hidden abuse. All my respect to Ammon for going up against the beast.

[@n1devine]

Ammon is a gem.

[@RoseanneSeason7]

It's nice to be in a content section on KZbin full of intelligent people all on the same page. The amount of brainwashed Bible thumpers on KZbin is alarming

[@josiahz21]

@@RoseanneSeason7 we’re victims, as were our parents, and their parents too. Patience, understanding, and love can change peoples minds. Name calling will make most dig deeper. Criticize the idea, not the person who holds it, and you will have better success. We all have bad ideas. Daryl Davis is the model I advocate.

[@steveplourde7086]

Holding an idea or thought as real or sacred is a form of idolatry. Do not put your trust in man. And bad ideas make victims. So why do we adopt some people's ideas as truth.

[@CmdrMic]

The guy is BEYOND BRILLIANT. Most valuable human resource since Terence McKenna. I encourage all hear to listen to this vid several times, to get the most out of what this academic is attempting to communicate.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

SO glad to know that you were hooked here. Me too. What a wild ride.

[@wellspring2life-]

😢

[@RM-TheQuadroon]

That's disrespectful to Terrance and his legacy.

[@CmdrMic]

@@RM-TheQuadroonLOLz. No.

[@4thdimenional]

Since Terrence? LoL there's been beyond more gems then that, way more.. believe that, he's a great speaker and scholar but there are more who are beyond him in teaching of the great sciences.

[@danrozelle6737]

The story of my life that I am usually late to the party or I am exactly on time depending on your perspective. This is the most mind blowing testimony from any one person I have found in the last 20 years surfing the world wide web. And!! a great interviewer asking all the right questions making the discussion worth listening too, other wise I would have been just as confused as he was a few times while the interviewee was talking. I think this discussion will have world wide repercussions if it ever goes viral. Well done.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Thank you, and welcome to the project. 🙏

[@jahleajahlou8588]

Go look at Ancient Mysteries-Andrew Christie who has equal scholarship in cuneiform and see how this was all built up to begin with (predates these languages and cultures by 5,000 years easily). Then go look at Archaix-Jason Breshears who has all of the references to lay out history/chronology. A trifecta of amazeballs !

[@danrozelle6737]

Hello. I have found Jason and his truth and many others. I am simply amazed how knowledge and data has been hidden and adjusted to fit the benefit of the liars and decievers. Sad. We need a new chapter of even a new book and to quit living in the past and move forward into the truth. Maybe that is the reset.

[@cdrwin]

This guy is super amazing, he's read and learned from source 🔥🔥👍

[@youtubeblockedme5864]

It will the viral whether that is part of a grand scheme or natural evolution and it will cause greater divide. We will see the Christian zealous dig in and become very vicious towards anyone with an altered perception.. it will be much like the Salem witch trials. In general people simply cannot handle this. They DON'T want to know!!!

[@chadwagoner7056]

I prefer this style of knowledge sharing to Dr. Hillman's Lady Babylon style! This is much easier to follow and appreciate. I watch it almost every day now, but this is a real breath of fresh air in comparison. I will continue to check out your podcast now. Thank you.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Thank you! Welcome to the project.

[@erica24465]

53:18 the magick is not to invoke an image, the magick is to invoke an Archetype and the archetype being an angel / multidimensional energy or being that will affect the body/guest/vessel behaviors. In a sense the magician Consciously evoke an archetype that will manifest itself Subconsciously in the other person mind and partially take control of it (as Carl Jung said "until you make the unconscious conscious it will direct your life and you will call it faith"... in this context we can say, until you make the unconscious conscious it will direct your perceived experience and you will call it Magick). Said differently the magician spell-out words that will evoke an archetype in the other person's mind (person under the spell) as the magician is conscious of the archetype he is invoking, he is not affected by but the other person experience the archetype in a subconscious level and, as such, the archetype/magick create an experience that escape the person's consciousness; That's why the magick can't be perceived nor understood... and suddenly is simply... given the name of Magick. By definition we can't consciously see what is subconscious, that's why magick appear super-natural but as soon as the "trick" is revealed = made conscious then the magick it's over. Although this might sound extra-ordinary is actually very common; Every time we speak we do the same, we spell out sounds that evoke symbols/images on the listener's mind, this is the nature of human communication. The difference is that the magician, driven by his introspective nature, develop a deeper self-knowledge, enter in contact with his own shadow and is in this process that he start to connect with his owns archetypes / his owns demons / his owns angels... he make the unconscious conscious so he heal himself and, in the process, he learn how to heal others... tough spell or, as Freud did, by making the patient speak = spell = evoking his owns demons and angels in a controlled way. We truly live in a magick world and as such most of this experience that we call life will remain sealed to most of us because of the limited reach of our 5 senses to grasp the complexity of reality... and that's why magick is always associated to rituals designed to created an alternated state of consciousness so to allow the doors of the subconscious to open-up and grasp a reality that otherwise will not be accessible. Last point I want to touch on is about the magician nature, the alchemist. The real magician / alchemist don't waist time trying to manipulate nature or other people because he knows that he is the alpha and the omega of his own existence and as such he knows that the ultimate magick / alchemical work of transformation is the one he does on himself to transform his shadow into light, his fears into courage, his humanity in divinity.

[@QvodInferivs]

Right on brother well said 👏 Everything from invoking the archetype, bringing thought into being and self transformation is everything the occultist, Magician and witch does. An evolution of oneself spiritually bringing ourselves closer to the oness. So mote it be

[@technopainting1010]

Had goosebumps reading this. It's true.

[@lewisest2528]

​@@technopainting1010💯

[@jahleajahlou8588]

Excellent treatise

[@KristaRiebel]

Is he religious?

[@Σατανας666]

Although I’m opposed to the entire rogansphere and his podcast ripoffs, like Danny Jones, I’m truly grateful that it opens up the KZbin algorithm to channels like this one. This was 3 years ago. This information has been around for at least 3 years! That alone is mind blowing. New sub here, and I gotta say I wish I would’ve found you sooner. . Thank you. P.s. it’s wonderfully refreshing to watch someone keep up with the Dr, and also ask the right questions at the correct times. Your timing and wit make this video great.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Thank you 🙏 Welcome to the project. So much to check out. For me it’s the gift that continues to provide.

[@n1devine]

This interview is a stunner.

[@lola.lola11.11]

Danny Jones is an idiot, he was rude to Dr. Ammon.

[@geirhaarde]

Dr Hillman has a channel today on youtube. Its called Lady Babylon

[@Σατανας666]

@@AlyLaRose if you don’t understand why people oppose Rogan, then I don’t think you ever will. Keep digging. I can’t think for everyone.

[@loslosmith]

Thank you for taking the time have him on. Recently found out about him and subbed to your channel. Thanks again.

[@thomasmihailos2070]

. . . yet another thoroughly rewarding interview - thank you immensely sir - on another note for those interested, the tattoo on Dr. Ammon Hillman' left forearm is a quote from Euripides' play "The Bacchae" spoken by the God Dionysus to King Pentheus - «Οὐκ οἶσθ᾽ ὅ τι ζῇς οὐδ᾽ ὃ δρᾷς οὐδ᾽ ὅστις εἶ» - (original classical antiquity ancient Greek) - «Δεν ξέρεις γιατί ζεις, τι πράττεις, ποιος είσαι» (modern Greek translation) - “You do not know why you live, what you do, who you are” (American / English translation)

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Wow! This is wonderful. Thank you for the translation and pointing us towards Euripides. That's a good one.

[@DanielGarza-fc1no]

Maybe this genetic of pedophiling, was transferred to these priests,

[@bannor216]

this is what the Koncrete podcast SHOULD've been. that danny jones guy punches WAY above his weight class. kudos, sir.

[@thegreatsiberianitch]

When you "punch above your weight class" that means you're at a greater level than your peers. So you're saying Danny Jones is a good interviewer but I don't think that's what you were attempting to state.

[@britbrat4559]

Danny wouldn't let him get an answer out before interruption. I hated it!!!

[@KP-zj3zj]

I appreciate that Danny introduced many of us to Ammon Hillman. Hopefully we'll all be better for it.

[@arnyarny77]

danny jones was oblivious to everything

[@75ENVY]

This guy is incredible . Just listened to koncrete podcast tonight .

[@pbzeppelin6167]

I was listening to this with a decent hangover while shuffling around in a Wal Mart, trying not to burst out laughing in public at some of the wild statements I was hearing. Lots of jaw droppers lol. Need to research this further, nice work guys

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Well said! Thank you for the image of your laughter. Funny

[@TheEccentricPoet]

Yeah, bro is crazy AF. In some channels, he claims to not be a Satanist, like here, but on another channel he's even doing Satanic Initiations. He can't keep his story straight. Treat everything he says as purely entertainment

[@Czund]

His excitement sharing!!

[@ThePeacePlant]

@@TheEccentricPoet Yeah hes trolling him

[@turdbooger6051]

@@TheEccentricPoetit’s called trolling. He is making fun of fairy tales.

[@heribertorivera6519]

Woow, three years later? This GREAT INTERVIEW pups up on my phone three years later...😮😡🤬

[@Kobimus1]

Im here from dannyjones and koncrete podcast. Ammon was an amazing guest and im looking forward to this episode

[@blackreazor]

I came across dr. Ammons work studying metal and fabric dyes amazing stuff!!

[@kurtthekurt]

Wow, that one was a wild ride! Thanks for putting those out John, glad I stumbled upon this channel

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

I definitely felt that long after this interview! Glad you're here.

[@garymensurati1631]

Stumbled here to

[@jerri5884]

There are/ were Dr's before 2019 that DID say / believe, with certain medications, to be used by suppository for benefits..

[@jerri5884]

This is a HS moment for REAL !!! NAH , my gut is saying there's something off here ... I gotta ask , is this the way Ahmmen' s head works , ?

[@hopelaurel2207]

Think this video is getting ready to have a lot more views. Danny Jones doesn't know how to sit back and listen. So glad this video is here.

[@hello...isthisthingon8871]

💯

[@n1devine]

It is brilliant.

[@didjesbydan]

I've been studying the history of Aztec human sacrifice rituals, the myths, the festivals, symbolism, the priesthood, etc. and what I find so fascinating is how tightly their system of sacred pretexts tracks with those of the Old World. The more I learn the more I come to believe that the primary function of priesthoods is to create elaborate sacred pretexts with which to act out the two primary complexes of inappropriate aggression and inappropriate sexuality.

[@isabellalive2.081]

Correct !!!!!!! & it is absolutely insane Building a mystery ! She woke up screaming Loud ! uttering a Prayer from her sacred garden But I won't give up the search for the Ghost in THE hall. .

[@Joann-ls1oo]

😊 You are probably correct! I kind of try hard to be so broad minded but yeah- the more I learn the more I see how perverse and controlling,sexually,medically,economically,politically...etc. religious institutions are designed to be in especially the ones discussed here...its a weird "esoteric" cult. But exotic and narcissistic pedophilia and or hankypanky " holy varietals"😮...master-bait-en!😂 fantasy and fancy excuses ,medical authorized to magically santioned...sounds just like Epstein Phonexian bathing rituals! Cults. He would have a girl massage and play with his stick and once it was wood he would stop in that moment and have a phone brought and start making business calls- a ritualistic " magical power"- I guess- to turn a hardon into a magical secret pointing rod to enhance influence and competitive venturing,etc. " aphrodisac"- etc...yeah- fancy terms for SEX AND POWER ABUSE! TO WEAPONIZE. OR PERVE PLEASURE MANIPULATIONISMS! REALLY! ITS CALLED" USING/ ABUSING / TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OTHERS TO ADVANCE ONESELF...they'd have to have a cult following including subjugated subjects ,innocents,helpless,etc. YUCK!!

[@Joann-ls1oo]

Hollywoodishness culty....its kinda intelligent ,too...though a bit irksomely dark,..it required some degrees of abuses, kind of has a filthy essence to it all...but its very interesting and I really appreciate their intense ancient literature invested in the mystery societies of old probably to current secret society cultures,it is notable that pharmacology is derived of such materials -likewise! It aint all exactly so pretty..." how ya get hamburger, sis? Where does it come from?"-- quoting my first ever childhood curiosity of foods....and the utter horrification!😮😂

[@timesup8196]

The Aztec blew the death whistle to warn of the death bat. He comes like a thief in the night. Pazuzu or ZU BAT! He eats hearts....

[@annepartington9002]

Just keep with your highermind talk to your hogherself that's always the voice of reason So many jesus groups churches It's difficult please avoid them do not even teach them.. they in denial.. programed..

[@EllisonBallard-m4y]

Yes. Thank you for not censoring. I had a huge library of "supernatural occult" books that has some of the obscure subjects that you are talking about, but had to abandon the books worth thousands of dollars because I could not pay for storage. Am 83 years sick, in pain and need what money I have for rent, food, medicine and gasoline. That loss put me into an emotional depression, but what to do most peopl want to be ignorant; prefer fantasy entertainment and hypocrisy rather have evidence that their worldview might be wrong...Many of the "mens magazines" had much of this info in late 1960's. Many religious people are frightened, problematicly troubled, childish thinking...Medical profession had along trouble history of practice confusion...

[@johng004]

Love the interview, very interesting. I really want to compliment the Host, very intelligent questions and follow ups. *Subscribed..

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Thank you, and 🙏 welcome to The Sacred Speaks.

[@somniumisdreaming]

Right down my alley of Classics and my research. End of the Odyssey :At dinner that night, Helen added a special potion into the wine, so that anyone who drank it would forget all his cares, and be happy for the rest of the evening. Drugs and altered states from potions from women are rife in the ancient world. Some stuff I have to look into more as I haven't heard of it.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Welcome! It's a deep hole and things get murky. What a wild conversation that caught you. Me too.

[@horaceosirian8993]

_"Drink wines that foam"_ is a line in a song (Exorcism by Killing Joke). I always assumed it was a quote, given the lead singer's (Jaz Coleman) obsession with the occult, but seems it might originate with him. Jaz was a fullblown Rosicrutian for years, in the early daze of the band, but claims to have left that all behind, supposedly in favour of love over knowledge or somesuch. Hrm, I'm skeptical. As far as I can tell, he's a spook disinformation agent (Cheltenham origin lends credence; besties with Jimmy Page much moreso. KJ's bass player is besties with McCartney, has recorded 3 albums with him under the moniker _'The Fireman'-NOT a reference to Sata, I'm sure ;p-produced Floyd's last album, and I could go on and on.) Case in point re Jaz: they just happened to stuff up the song duration printed on the single of one of their biggest hits, _'Eighties'_ from their 1985 album Night Time. It's listed as 03:33, when it's actually 03:51. That's known as a Code 33 drop, BTW (Rosicrutians are arguably even more rabid about the whole 33 thing than apron fairies, in my experience) Okay this was a few decades ago now, but just watch any interview with Jaz: strenuously full of $hit at least half the time (I saw him give a speech in public a few yrs ago; he wound up finishing up by w@nking on about Morgellons and playing some KZbin vids of same, which absolutely cracked me up. Morgellons vids rely on static electricity to freak out the super-gullible, eternally credulous unfortunates down the wrong end of the IQ bell curve / gene pool; one of the $hittiest psyops to come out of the bowels of Langley, 77th Brigage, or . _(The 'Black Goo'_ psyop is worth a look next time you want a belly laugh BTW :) I'd recommend you give Exorcism a listen, but I've got misgivings about that lot. I met and hung out with them for several hours in New Zealand after the last gig on their tour in 2013. Re. my misgivings, one of the most obvious examples would be their song _'Wilful Days.'_ Take a listen; it's a bloody good song, musically, IMO, but uh...take a look at the lyrics? Is it just me, or is Wilful Days perhaps an underage rape anthem, with a nod to Aleister Crowley (AntiChrist, 13, Crow, Owl), and his plagairized gobshite _Do What Thou Wilt"_ motto in the title? FYI -Google- web search search term _'Code 33 article series The Open Scroll'_ will learn you as much as you're likely to want to know about the significance of Bingo Yahtzee Buzz Number 33 to apron fairies, rosey crosses, spooks, and other public nuisances. (Ignore the open scroll guys nut-f*ckery about the impending time reset and so on; they're Christian conspiracy theorists; we've all got our cross to bear). I must say, of all the Bingo buzz-number droppers, I've never seen anything quite like Club 93, AKA -Thelema victims- Thelemites. E tu, Ammon?! Speaking of 93, per the occult euphemism _"As above, so below*'_ Queen did a song called 39...penned by His Badgesty, Lord Sir Doctor Brian May (MBE, OBE, PhD) himself. All about the time dilution effect of near-lightspeed space travel. Quite a Queen fan-favourite. Here's an interesting pic of Brian May seemingly gearing / grooming up to do what apron fairies do best (buggering boys): pin.it/7AeJH75Rk * Or my revised version: _"As a bruv, so a bro."_ ;p

[@liszumbrunnen8888]

It’s funny how the church was accusing Dr. Hillman of the same things that they are doing like opening portals 😂

[@semiprolific774]

The church is opening portals?

[@shannonperez9408]

Yes the Vatican and cern open portals check out all the snakes at the Vatican doesn’t look very godly to me looks very satanic

[@Σατανας666]

@@semiprolific774yeah, butt portals. Usually in kids.

[@semiprolific774]

@@Σατανας666 that’s dark…and dank

[@MahaMtman]

Main portal opened at Trinity.

[@The_Awakened_Hybrid]

Dr. Ammon Hillman is one of my top go to resources for my own independent research and I am working on a 2nd book and will be using his awesome research for my next book on The Line of Seth and the Magnetosphere

[@LiquidSnek]

Ever watched Robert Sepehr?

[@The_Awakened_Hybrid]

@LiquidSnek CONSTANTLY!!! 🙏🙏🙏

[@bridge12582]

ooo his bit about his Muse, fascinating. great interview, lots of stuff to ponder... I've been curious about him for a long time

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

So glad you enjoyed it. Ammon is a fascinating person!

[@petercbenedict]

wish you had asked him more at that point about his personal practice to access his muse, the dead girl

[@1voovvoov1]

Greatly appreciate Ammon’s time, work, and presentation of his inspirational material.

[@MrBlazingup420]

The First Physician in the ancient world was said to be the Goddess Gula, known as the She Goat, Baba/Bau, the consort of Zababa, she was associated with Vega the Harp Star in Lyra, another name was Fides or Fidicula, which is a Roman goddess Fides, the deification of good faith and honesty. The She Goat, goddess Gula is associated Venus, the goddess of love, it is Venus that makes a 5 pointer star associated with the Goat, which it talking about her Goatee she has when Venus reappears from behind the Sun, calling Bearded Venus. Your idols have symbols on them associating them with constellations and Stars, that are seen together at a certain time of the year. If you know the constellations, then you'll see all the symbolism for the Orphic Mysteries surrounding the constellation Ophiuchus, if you know astrology, Ophiuchus would be the Womb of the Goddess, Scorpio is the Sexual Organ, and Sagittarius the Hips & Thighs, it holds your 'ASS' as in the half man half Donkey, Sagittarius, and the fact all men ride the Ass into this world, maybe why the word Ass is associated with meaning God in Norse Mythology. The Zodiac is Female, and Orion is the Male, the only constellation that has a penis, the symbolism you see in these Orphic Mysteries, is when you place his sword on the western Horizon, now you have captured all the symbolism in the heavens. Now you need to know the names of these stars and their meaning to know what they are saying, and why these rituals lasted all night. there are the rising eastern stars and the descending western stars, they will place a star at midheaven. You call this the short version

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

I am enjoying learning more about the Orphic Mysteries. So much to uncover.

[@babbsromero3471]

Amazing mind bending interview! My world view has changed drastically over the past few years just watching our current history takings place but to be able to peek into humanity’s past like this is a game changer!

[@davidhutchinson5233]

I've been an Atheist for years but I had no idea the translations were so descriptive and visceral. It's truly amazing. Epic even. The level of understanding here is beyond the realm of current religious understanding. Religious people always say the boy in Mar 14:51-52 was a symbol of the fleeing of the disciples. But why a boy when so many other symbols of flight were so well known in the ancient world? Once you do the deep dive, it's truly mind blowing.

[@azathothdreaming9180]

What a fascinating interview! I was truly blown away. The host and his questions were amazing.

[@n1devine]

It is a classic.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Thank you 🙏

[@PocketSandMan]

It's weird that anyone would think the ancient Romans didn't do drugs they had a god of wine and debauchery

[@maktiki]

Who says that they did not do drugs? They were meddling with all kinds of poisons

[@jennifferjude3156]

As for the singing that has to do with frequency and vibration.

[@Gryffun]

I need to speak with this Ammon Hillman... He seems to have answers to questions that only I have been asking.

[@user-32941]

Just 40min in. Oh lord, how I love this conversation. Thank you for this.

[@johnfort8465]

Truth is always stranger than fiction. Here is the perfect example.

[@Mi_Mono]

I ultimately hate how youtube is basically a monopoly and centralizes and controls information on their platform. However, what I do like, is the ability to find gems like this channel and ladybabylon. I've watched this twice. Thanks for your service!

[@KJSullivan4601]

Fascinating and brilliant Ammon brings the Muse straight to awareness

[@paison318]

This podcast hooked and wouldn’t let go! I’ll be listening to it over and over plus will be sharing. Thank you!!

[@marclopez842]

0:58 in and this platform already seems like a much better landing for Dr. Hillmans content. I haven't finished watching his most recent interview on the Danny Jones podcast.

[@SazachaNancySktghaxeeahw-rp5gd]

This interview is much better. Danny Jones doesn’t have near the intellect

[@chrisdaldy-rowe4978]

Dont knock ONE when both are the reason we are mostly here m8!!!!

[@chadcowan6912]

Danny has great guests and has blossomed into a good interviewer/listener. However, I agree that there is a lack of depth when approaching certain subject matter. It is an introduction nun-the-less.

[@iammaxhammer]

*Love Terence, and getting to know Ammon. As a small time "travel vlog" channel with a heavy emphasis on historical and etymological connections as I explore new places, this little community is really coming together for me. Terence always said, "find the others"... well, your channel, Dr. Ammon, Gnostic Informant, Kipp, Ruck, Dr. Monger and all the others doing great work are my crowd. Thanks for what you do.*

[@cosmoseinfeld1]

Danny Jones brought me here

[@arthurmcgonnell1179]

Thanks toDr.Ammon I found this channel ,give thanx & keep on revealing

[@RtaniDean]

The Freudian slip- 1:00:06 “the moon.” Anyone else take notice?

[@jayvelliott]

explain

[@shannonperez9408]

Yeah explain the moon

[@hampyonce]

This brings a new level of difficulty to the question WWJD. My new canned answer is "you probably don't want to know"?

[@beyondtheillusion333]

Lmao

[@beyondtheillusion333]

Stealing this

[@hopelaurel2207]

Omg! That is toooo funny

[@AgentStargrave]

You could snap your finger, and say: Sex magic!

[@matthewjones613]

Love your comparisons and metaphors; as well as your introduction to be open minded in order for proper preparation for the content you'll be discussing (I'm assuming) great book references, too. Thanks for stretching your neck to spread to me, this knowledge. I appreciate you! Blessings 🙌

[@michaelmick6167]

Original Sin is a good and easy read. The first edicts regarding young boys was passed down in the second century. It told the priests to quit abusing young boys.

[@treborstreet]

I've listened to this on Spotify close to four times now and I'm still trying to comprehend the information. I've come here to read comments. Great Podcast John! you've got to get him back on for longer.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Wonderful! Great to have you along for the ride. You definitely jumped into the deep end.

[@treborstreet]

@@TheSacredSpeaks I'd started with Carl Ruck which is fantastic onto Mackenzie Amara no less and my head fell off with Ammon. You've something special going on and you should update your twitter. Your face is hilarious now I can see it on here 😂 deep end for sure! I'm staying for the journey 🙏

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

@@treborstreet My head fell off there too! Great expression. I think mine stayed off for a bit following this conversation. Welcome to the conversation here. It's been blowing my mind ever since I began this process....that's what keeps me coming back. Twitter is one arena that I haven't nurtured. Thank you for the nudge.

[@graceontheyork1424]

Some of us are not big babies intellectually. We can handle concepts unfamiliar. You can put judgement on the back burner. You don't have to accept anything. But you can become aware.

[@DEXTROBILL]

This is much better than the Danny Jones interview, first time on this channel I really like the calm demeanor of the host and his lines of inquiry aren't timid or reactionary. Brings out the best of Hillman who comes off really well. He seemed like a maniac on the D.J. Podcast.

[@devin5550]

This episode blew my mind. It helped me realize how much i project my moral underpinnings onto whatever world im peering into, especially worlds that happened over 2000 years ago i have no godamn clue what kind of shit they were getting into. The idea of using childrens bodies as factories to produce anti venoms and antidotes is wild, ive never heard of that and wonder if there are any more sources for this info.

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Thank you, Devin! It's difficult not to project our current culture onto others both within time and space. Ammon would say that there are plenty of sources, but that most people reading the classics do not read medical texts. Even now, I am still researching this topic. A good starting point might be Wouter Wannegraff and Jeff Kripal's "Hidden Intercourse: Eros and Sexuality in the History of Western Esotericism."

[@john.premose]

Thats because im pretty sure this dude is out of his mind. I mean ive got an open mind and im quite knowledgeable about history, so im familiar with the topics he was talking about, and i dont doubt that a lot of freaky sexual stuff has been done throughout history, but some of the stuff this guy was talking about is just wild and has no basis, like women mixing drugs in their vagina and distributing it...that is a far out interpretation to say the least

[@momacods5958]

loo at vaccines now... and the censorship around the parents screaming that their children are test subjects!

[@toxendon]

​@@john.premose The verse at Mark 14:51 is really strange though. But I can't find any sources saying the greek word used necessarily must mean "young boy" instead of "man under 40"

[@john.premose]

@@toxendon the person in this interview has mental issues

[@Harlow-ls2uz]

Thank you for letting this man speak I seen another video where the dude was literally on letting him speak on things the interviewer wanted.

[@Bobbylee1963]

Great channel and great guests. Keep up the good work!

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Thank you for tuning in, Robert.

[@tlotus3032]

Well directed. Best interview with Dr. Hillman. 🎉

[@n1devine]

I love this interview.

[@Love_n_Light77]

Here for Dr. Hillman. Just found ur channel. .

[@rhondahonda930]

Dr. Ammon is the only interview worth listening to on your channel.

[@monicamiranda890]

Your guest is the best! Love his style.

[@SpaceTrippy_8-8]

It would be nice to have him do live translations of primary text with the source given. So we can verify on our own later.

[@kerry-ch2zi]

It seems like different interviewers bring out different facets of Dr. Hillman. This one was especially unobscured by the interviewer, which is not too surprising, given his clinical posture. Upright thumb!

[@hensmom6473]

Please do an update interview with Ammon.

[@n1devine]

This is a wonderful suggestion.

[@mikeymike2256]

Quodos for your intro dear friend! Very respectful towards everybody! Thank you for having this strange man over, even if it doesn't resonate with me! Not that I was a ferment believer, nor that he offends me: but just because he looks like a schizo mental case to me!! Thank you for the video, though!

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Thank you for checking out the intro and tuning into the episode. So much of what religion and spiritually provides us is wild and overwhelming… often people turn a blind eye to it and I think we need to look deeply at humanity - modern and historically. It’s one of the gifts I’ve received from being a therapist. Go deeper and know thyself. What a mantra! It’s not a path for those who are inflexible or unwilling to question 🙏

[@kenmcclellan]

Sometime around 1:26:00 we discover the problem with Rome, London, NYC, DC and LA. For decades, we have wondered what the problem might be ... that we discover again and again the widespread abuse of children around the world being perpetrated by those thought respectable. Then it turns out there has long been a rite of sodomy. So, when you read about the early criticisms of Judaism or Christianity, as in the Octavius of Marcus Minucius Felix, you can safely ignore some of the protestation. Just as the tales of adenochrome extraction from Huxley in 1954 onward are all conspiracy -- no theory.

[@isabellalive2.081]

My Middle Name is READ & I READ THE WORD !!!!!!!! NEVER STOPPED ,

[@arnyarny77]

why does Dr Hillman seem much more normal in this interview? i wonder if he has some kind of condition that causes his eccentric mannerisms . either way i am a huge fan of him i love when he and Neil from the gnostic informant channel get together so cool, so fascinating. Also love Terrence i discovered him in the early 90s and since then have been such an admirer

[@yvonnelinton110]

He is being a 'gad fly' but I think it comes across like a cringey audition for the remake of the film The Fly.

[@hampyonce]

So there was Rock & Roll to go with the sex and drugs. That was unclear to me at my current position in this rabbit hole. The guest is on my new favorite person list.

[@Roquini]

This guy deserves more episodes

[@amyhayutin1738]

I got here from Koncrete, Danny Jones interview. I would like to know what Dr. hillman’s tattoos are!

[@ScottSinclair-g5j]

Me too . Your find this guy is different in that interview ?

[@Eudaemoniac]

Medea on his head. Zeus Ammon on his forearm

[@amyhayutin1738]

@@Eudaemoniac thank you

[@amyhayutin1738]

@@ScottSinclair-g5j it appears he’s more flamboyant here and more conservative in DJ interview. He may be more at ease here, so more playful.

[@standupstathentes6842]

Why does he have those names tattoed on him if he thinks child rape or the cults are a bad thing?

[@bobbyb5304]

You did an amazing job in the description of this video i commend you for your honest assessment of this so called "crazy guy" bravo good sir

[@TwistedVNM94]

What i find great is he is telling us what he is reading and not what he believes he is reading. He saying "hey this is what it says take it or leave it." I don't think i once heard him say i think they really meant the say here is this and that.

[@anthonycarlisle6184]

Only other literary source would be kjv with strongs concordance. Lot's of flippin pages back and forth, but once one gets the jist and know how greek & hebrew speak, it doesn't even say what's on the page. You can essentially "retranslate" everything starting at genesis. But a lot of close meanings could be had,، but it's NOT "technically translate correct" Like what ammon's doing just reading and holding on

[@groundedinfirstprinciples383]

Man, there's so many threads to untangle with this guy but what a knowledge base just ran into him today. If anybody has found a source of his sources, I would be very interested in getting a copy.

[@TakeTheRide]

James true did an in-depth study on blood sacrifices about a month ago. You might want to check that out. It does aline with what this gentleman says.

[@saltybits9954]

Ammon is amazing. We need Ammon healing worldwide. Let your eyes be open. Speak truth. It will set you free.

[@MarianneHyatt]

Amazing conversation - many thanks.

[@steviedestefanie7601]

P.S. Of course SO APPRECIATE his work !! How ever sickening !!! Curious though what he said about we in a loop culturally with the 3rd century !!! Love to have Archaix / Jason Bersheer a study in this connection with this loops in his impeccable Chronological/Historiacal and Ancient Calendars research with comparables time loops !!! Hey head up / Archiax/ Jason Bersheer 2O4O - Return if the Phoenix!!!! Thank you both!!!

[@motojay81]

Archaix 💪🔥

[@aalaja]

i love this guy i heard him on another pod cast sooo deep and stimulating Thank You SIR!!

[@williamkimzey8486]

Finally. NORMAL. IT CONNECTS ALL THE DOTS TO PRESENT DYNAMICS. So much gratitude for your reason.

[@goose33]

That's what i said on Danny's video haha

[@AHPUROshankarMALDITO]

This is the best Ammon Hillman video

[@Marley369-r4t]

Same! 4th time to watch. Absolutely amazing 🤩 by the way I like the song you have at the end!

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

It's an amazing tune. Clouds ... I love it, obviously:)

[@skypowers.]

@@TheSacredSpeakswho is the song Clouds by played at the end of this podcast?

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Modern Nations @ modernnationsmusic.com/

[@spurkay2]

Dr. Hillmen, I have read the bible numerous times and cross referenced it with everything I could get my hands on from that period. I had all the questions you address with regards to Jesus's arrest, his life, what he really did, what he really was and especially with the chapter of Mark where he is arrested with a naked boy in Gethsemane. So much of what you are saying shines a bright light for me. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom. I now want to learn ancient greek so I can read the old manuscripts in the original language. Thank you!

[@EmBeesWorld60]

Dr. Price thank you for this interview, it's incredible, I'll definitely have to watch it a few more times to truly grasp everything being said 🙏🏻 Do you do one-on-one sessions online?

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

What an honor. Thank you for this request. I run an integrative wellness practice and we have many folks who provide online services, though currently my schedule is full. If you would like to explore options, you can reach out to us at The Center.

[@EmBeesWorld60]

@TheSacredSpeaks Thank you Dr. Price! I will definitely look into it. Keep up the great work! 🙏🏻

[@n1devine]

This interview is a classic.

[@EmBeesWorld60]

@@n1devine I agree! It will go down in history as one of the best Ammon Hillman interviews of all time 💜

[@chord972]

Viewed the entire interview. Thank you! It was frustrating when Ammon did not have evidence (documents) for his interpretations and references, leaving the viewer to believe his assertions without any basis. His reference to the bible (Mark 14) failed to support his contention about Jesus and the boy. When confronted, Ammon alluded to other references without specificity. He should have spelled names such as "nonas" and such so the viewer could search.

[@x2mars]

Yeah who’s Nonus?

[@somniumisdreaming]

@@x2mars Nonnus of Panopolis is the only guy who may be who he is talking about that can think of.

[@shannonbrown5791]

I totally agree. Ammon was gently confronted many times. He said things like "the sources are all public" they are out there. Ok. Does he mean these ancient texts are on Project Gutenberg? Free and available? Is he expecting us to go to those and then higher him from some tutoring in reading them?

[@danletras]

Indeed. I responded to one of his videos asking him to provide his own translation from the ancient Greek of the gospel of Mark. Or at least the passage to which he refers. I find his investigations very intriguing, but get lost in his answers, that come across to me as confusing and disjointed.

[@brianfitch5469]

​@@danletrasgnostic informants 2 hour video. Why is there a naked boy in mark 14 he goes to the source.

[@user-xn9zj3yd7u]

Also , to add to your statement about psychosis and antiquity. I’m not a professional. I don’t have a masters or even a bachelors, but in my little bit of knowledge that I do have a lot of cultures and antiquity would consider someone who is.” psychotic.” to be somebody with foresight so psychotic person could possibly be a shaman or you know or somebody that can see the future or somebody you know can the dead. So I agree with him on the note that he can understand why somebody in antiquity would possibly intentionally induce psychosis. From what I understand people that were crazy were considered special and antiquity in a lot of societies.

[@thechosenmortal]

Great interview

[@pcores]

This talk was AMAZING! That purple stuff he mentioned made me think about The Name of The Rose.

[@alm6459]

He’s talking about getting the secretion of a 10year old girl’s breast and this is amazing? Are they praising pedofilia and everyone here thinks is brilliant stuff? Wow

[@debbieolson5348]

That was so interesting. I got opened up drastically when I did a hallucinogenic drug over 47 years ago. For me it was great! I started researching consciousness books and going to groups . I would walk miles in the Alaska snow to meet with just a couple of like minded people. Over the years I have done so many things that almost nothing Ammon said really shocked me. The patterns of history both personnel and universal have always interested me. I never thought Jesus was resurrected from the dead but I did wonder about his story. One of my college research papers was on the power of groups. I always remembered as a young child the phrase”When one or more gather in my name”…..our conscious awareness can create abundance or a real nasty experience. I have to wonder if all the sexual stuff was about expanding their consciousness along with hallucinogenic chemicals in nature. Jason at Archaix has quite a bit of great history based on books and scrolls of antiquity. Bet he would love researching Ammon’s stuff. Thank you for the interview!

[@traceyroyer993]

The word "medicine" likely came from Medea. Also, there's Medusa... Luckily, in public school in PA, I learned Latin language in the 7th grade. I'm a "word witch," female wizard... wizardress? I've had varied interests and knowledge ever since, including medicine, languages, WWF (on-line Scrabble), translation, writing, A LOT, reading, research, fine arts, film critiquing, and on and on. I'm an autodidact with a passion for truth. I'm also a proud USAF Veteran. I'm an information gatherer. I'd be honored to work with, learn from, study with, listen to and discuss with this brilliant, curious, humane, genuine, courageous enigma, the featured Doctor here. I'm considering the Greek lessons. Wow. Love, Peace and No Fear 🕉

[@kennethtams-ys5gq]

Pride in the USAF? Tell me the esoteric material you know about this Cult.

[@MajorTom1313]

Interview starts 11:13

[@peterrabbit1054]

Fascinating discussion!!!🙌

[@jahleajahlou8588]

Ammon utmost respect. Appreciate your tenacity to expose the veiled modus operendi of this development so obscure. Brother I am aware of a situation for which I can only claim shamanic awareness. You have two individuals (both Males in embodiment) who have secretly, in the dark, behind the back managed to tap into your vital force energies. Both used a lie to accomplish this access. The lie they told is "you are in service". Convenient when such an enforcement benefits the receiver but not the donor right ? Your awareness of this dynamic should do the trick !

[@jahleajahlou8588]

It would appear that "academia" is an extremely competitive area of acquisition indeed.

[@childofkhem1.618]

Can u explain what u mean? Not sure if I'm understanding.

[@jahleajahlou8588]

@@childofkhem1.618 You are not playing any "games" No games are being played against your sovereignty. I am able to see such "arrangements. Face to face agreements are consensual. From the back, in the dark, in secret are predatory, vampiric, and perverse. This is especially true when it involves children.

[@JR-lo8tu]

lol @ ammon, he says, "yeah, I have no idea why all these catholics thought I was a portal..." then 10 min later he's like, "I talk to a dead girl who's teaching me the way of cain"

[@TheSacredSpeaks]

Hahaha!

[@cf4ii4ie4i]

This conversation is so mind-boggling he took off not one--but two--pairs of glasses

[@AdamLimb]

Ammon is brilliant but he needs to be on some type of a watchlist

[@hail_Cyber77]

It's an act he has covered it and explains why he does it

[@tamhas]

i am curious to know what dr ammon thinks about the current day. are these practices still being used, still possible? why have they been hidden? for good or bad reasons?

[@blackreazor]

They are practice in ritual. The church and the vicars of christ still practice ritual rapes. Why do you think priests, pastors and other church leaders are involved in pedophiliac scandals?

[@kemit88]

That question was asked in another talk, the answer was yes.

[@childofkhem1.618]

I think if there was a way for priests to commune directly w God, that practice never stopped but just went underground. Maybe that's why there's so much pedophilia in the church. Remnants if the mystery traditions

[@alphaomicron8]

It's like 3 years ago Ammon is different from the Ammon of recent videos, the way he speaks, the way he present is much more coherent and to the point , wonder if he took some of the stuff he read about which completely changed him

[@Ms.matrixmetaphor]

Why is it always that he took drugs or something ? Could it be that he may be has an illness of some kind that he is dealing with and prefers not to disclose that affects his nervous system or something else ? I say this as I deal with something similar that makes it hard to gain weight and I often get stares from people which feels awful . Why are people always first to judge the worse instead of thinking it maybe something else entirely ?

[@craighicksartwork]

Ammon Hillman is quickly rising into the group of the Enlightened with McKenna, Dass and Watts. I hope he keeps this up.

[@Enscriptiv]

It's up to us to help spread the knowledge.

[@icitizenoftheplanet]

Listening to this conversation in 2024. Better late than never

[@markandrzejak997]

THAT is truly crazy. Is there a good source for the Bible in its original language and form? If we don't know Greek or Hebrew is there an online interpreter you recommend?

[@anthonycarlisle6184]

Only other literary source would be kjv with strongs concordance. Lot's of flippin pages back and forth, but once one gets the jist and know how greek & hebrew speak, it doesn't even say what's on the page. You can essentially "retranslate" everything starting at genesis. But a lot of close meanings could be had,، but it's NOT "technically translate correct" Like what ammon's doing just reading and holding on