65" Titan Offset Flail Mower Review

In this video I do a quick review of my offset flail mower (www.palletforks.com/tractors/...) and take some footage of it in action at the end. So far I am very pleased with my purchase!

[@burgie4241]

This is one of the best video reviews I've seen on YT-- You got to the point-- you stayed on topic-- you told how much it cost upfront -- you briefly told about the shortcomings of the machine and how you fixed it --you gave a good demonstration of the capabilities of the machine without a lot of needless repetition-- you told what HP of tractor you were using with it and how it worked with that HP class of tractor-- You actually showed exactly how the machine cut the grass by throwing it back with your foot You didn't waste my time with a nerve grating loud music and video introduction-- You didn't stick your face right in the camera and say in a high screechy voice "Hi I'm the Stoney Ridge Farmer" like an irritating idiot. You kept the video within a reasonably short length of time without talking about how the chickens are doing and how the weather has been (reason #2). Good Job Mr. Gross !!

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Haha much appreciated! I am normally pretty bland and to the point lol.

[@kevinbachus5887]

This is the best looking results I have seen to date. the terrain that you have is just like mine. super impressed at the clean and thorough job with just one pass given how thick and tall the grass was...I think I need one.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

I regret not buying it years ago haha.As long as you are willing to do a slight amount of tinkering, I think you will like it 👍.

[@ajarthur2437]

Great video! I bought the exact same one last year and have also experienced great results so far. I run mine with a "white Kioti" Bobcat ct2040hst and the 65in ditch bank flail matches up nicely with it. As you mentioned in previous comments it's very important to tilt the mower about 15 degrees back so it rides solidly ok the rear roller. I have a hydraulic top link which is handy for this being able to adjust the angle of approach on the fly.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Nice! The Hydraulic top link definitely seems handy. Haha “white kioti’s” are nice tractors.

[@ryan3513]

Thanks for the video. Biggest concern I've had researching what flail mower to get had been trying to figure out how big of a mower my tractor will handle. So thank you for referencing your tractor's hp. Gonna have to get some rest hydraulics, but I think I'm sold on this mower.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

You bet. I think it is a good fit for my tractor. Both as far as weight and power is concerned.

[@ctwoods99]

Great video, thanks for the information!

[@toddwikel3849]

Great video, i have a DK4710 hst cab that i added the 2nd rear remotes just for an offset flail mower. The biggest value to me is being able to mow around trees i cant get underneath. Looking at the exact same mower as you have. Glad to know it has been a good mower.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

It is very handy for that-keeps your cab out of the branches 👍

[@michaelshrader5139]

I love the range of motion these machines have.... and to be able to cut vertically next to fence lines, that's just awesome! I am going to have to try one of these things this summer. 8-)

[@billygrossjr.5585]

I really enjoy how flexible these things are for sure. They pretty much do it all 👍

[@michaelshrader5139]

@@billygrossjr.5585 Well I bought one, the 200DB Flail Mower by Titan Attachments. Had problems out of the crate it didn't include enough lower hitch pins to actually connect it to the tractor (ie. it comes short 1 lower hitch pin). Hydraulic hoses kept unscrewing themselves in the 1st few hours of use causing hydraulic fluid to spray everywhere! Then the tilt cylinder unscrewed itself and went to spraying hydraulic oil all over the mower. While trying to figure that out (re-tightening it didn't seem to stop the fluid from spraying from it), I noticed the belts seemed really loose so I took the belt covers off and found that the PTO gearbox mount welds were cracking open like zipper's being unzipped! That was the end of that mower, after like 8 hours of trouble-laden mowing.... but Titan Attachments did send me a replacement 200DB flail mower free of charge it took about a month before they shipped it (drought here in Texas stopped weeds and all from growing so I wasn't in an extreme rush I guess). Replacement mower did much better for about 8 hours of mowing but then the tilt hydraulic cylinder on it began to unscrew itself! I caught it this time before it ruptured internally like the 1st unit did. I got it all but 3 threads screwed back in, but it needs to be thread-locked I'm guessing. Otherwise, replacement mower still came short 1 lower lift hitch pin (I just took one from the original mower and used it), the rubber discharge flap just comes all to pieces in no time it's very easy to tear single-layer rubber, the jack stands for these mowers make NO sense they aren't the same height and neither is tall enough to even reach the ground so I must use blocks under them to disconnect from the mower! And finally both mowers shed several of those front guard plates they get knocked-off very easily. No rocks or concrete or anything that hard here, just weeds briers grasses and some small

[@michaelshrader5139]

ps. The hydraulic hoses I tightened and re-tightened and they just kept unscrewing themselves. So far the replacement mower hasn't had any issues with that happening at least. That tilt cylinder though definitely is going to have to be blue thread-locked to keep it from unscrewing itself and rupturing! Titan Attachments IS aware of the issue. Just saying.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

@@michaelshrader5139 Absolute bummer deal! I have put many hours on mine and other than adjusting the cut height out of the box, and breaking a few hammer blades on rocks, I have had 0 issues. Mine has chains hanging to block debris from kicking up instead of the small metal plates-maybe a better design? I hope your experience long term is much better with the replacement mower they sent. Very sorry you are having such a poor experience..

[@kdegraa]

@@michaelshrader5139 how is it going since that time? My feeling is a cheap Chinese mower needs to be closely examined the first time it is used and loctite needs to be handy.

[@R8GT]

Excellent video! Concise and factual. Sold me!

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Thank you!

[@janstolk486]

that looks like a nice unit i could use this on the fence line my neighbor ignored for 30 years .

[@billygrossjr.5585]

It definitely works great for fence lines!

[@chrisa241]

Great video !!!

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Thanks!

[@thooper4380]

$2300! That same mower is now $4200. I desperately want one for my tractor, but i bought a 46" Cub Cadet riding mower about a year before my tractor and I'm making due with that for now.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Wow!! It was expensive enough that $2300 lol

[@KPVFarmer]

Thanks for sharing price. It’s nice to compare from then to now.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Pretty crazy how much they have gone up.

[@Hknutson1]

Great video. Is the mower centered behind the tractor when folded in or is it still offset a little?

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Thank you. It is still slightly offset. Probably 6” when retracted.

[@craigrice939]

Great, objective review. Nice job! This really helped. When using these ditch bank flail mowers to mow pasture fields (not high brush or high grasses) what ground speed can you mow? For example I can mow up to 4-5 mph with my flex wing rotary cutter (John Deere E12) and still do a great job.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Thanks! I would say probably similar speed? I am pretty OCD and am bothered when I don’t cut all of the blades of grass lol so I mow slower than I could I am sure I could. I typically mow tall grass at about a walking speed (probably 3mph). So shorter, more sparse grass in a pasture would probably be quite a bit faster?

[@michaelshrader5139]

I find the roughness of the ground being mowed to be my limiting speed factor. I don't want to shake the tractor and mower apart going too fast over fields that haven't been properly cared for in years already! If your ground is smooth enough and you don't have obstacles to be on the lookout for (such as discarded wire or concrete pipes etc. that might be hidden) then you can go at least as fast with a flail mower as with a rotary cutter.

[@backyardcountrylivin1514]

Awesome video. I have the same tractor and was wondering what size fail mower it would handle. Great job.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Thanks!

[@rickm4938]

Just ordered the 57", hope it was the right decision, going off your recommendation here. Really wanted one of the Italian models, but 10 week wait, shipping costs, on one brand, the other weighs and costs 2x as much, do not like buying anything from China, but its in stock and the price is right. Looking forward to see how this handles with my 3038e,

[@billygrossjr.5585]

As long as you are willing to do some set up work with the mower, I think you will be happy with it. I was in the same boat-and am happy with my decision to purchase this mower 👍

[@Kerr1st]

Great video Billy, I have the same tractor do you ever feel like its going to tip over with it fully extended and tilted down? There is a wider one... seems like if you are cutting grass/thiner weeds the power is there its really about putting 750+ pound out there and hitting a bump while you are driving and tipping the tractor over.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Thank you! It honestly seems to handle the weight very well and never feels tippy on relatively flat terrain even with the mower extended 👍

[@BWB-vb9xb]

What size trailer would you recommend to haul your tractor with the loader/bucket and the flail mower attached?

[@billygrossjr.5585]

I have only had to transport my tractor a couple times (it typically just stays on the property) but I have used an 18’ car hauler and that was long enough to fit the tractor, loader and an attachment 👍.

[@kdegraa]

I need this mower. Need it. I have the tractor, Kubota MX5200 with two sets of hydraulic remotes. In Australia these cheap Chinese mowers are available. Like I said I need one.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Haha, it has been incredibly useful for me. And I have put many hours on it. Hopefully you end up with one!

[@kevinhaha9333]

I am considering buying this for my company. I have a Kioti ck3510 as well but mine does not have a cab. I was curious if you have had an weight distribution trouble. My dealer says this mower is a bit heavy for this tractor when in the offsetted position. I’m curious if you have ballist fluid or any type of counter weight. Also, have you had any trouble with it feeling like it has too much weight to the right side?

[@billygrossjr.5585]

It honestly seems very stable. My tractor does have ballast in the tires too. Even if I jerk the controls I have never had the left rear tire come off the ground or anything-I have been happy with how the tractor handles it 👍

[@gorgonbazil2652]

Dang, I wish mine could cut like yours!

[@jeepin3049]

Great video!! Did you have to reduce hydraulic fluid to the flail mower? Mine moves to fast very jerky.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Thank you. I don’t-I just try to move it as slowly as I can by barely moving the lever. They have pretty good variability on the auxiliary hydraulics.

[@kurtvance1320]

You can buy flow restricters

[@jeepin3049]

I put some restrictors on mine from Tractor Supply. Fixed it!

[@7secondmalibu]

Mind if I ask the weight of your tractor? I'm looking at getting a Titan flail mower to my 2038R and trying to decide on size. Watching your tractor move the mower with hydraulics looks like it handles the mower size well. You don't see the tractor bounce all over the place when moving the mower. Thanks

[@billygrossjr.5585]

No problem. I know the tractor with the loader is 4,400lbs but the rear tires are filled with ballast as well.. so probably 4,700lbs not including the mower? I know that size mower is larger than what they would rate that tractor for-but I have been happy with how compatible they are 👍

[@offgridmangogrower]

I just bought a Del Marino and lack one line….are your four hydraulic lines controlled by one joystick?….was that a factory install? Planning to get the 4 line kit using the fel stick…hopefully it does not leak….?

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Mine have two separate levers for the 4 hydraulic lines. Yes it was a factory installed option 👍

[@TDC_Dragon]

I purchased the Titan 57" model of this offset flail mower. I'm hoping you can post a picture or explain how you drilled bolt positions to adjust the height. Mine is cutting down to about 1/2" which is way too short and hits too many rocks and debris. I want to position the roller to cut higher. Also wondering if drilling new holes for the side skids could help.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

I will try to make a short video of that when I put it on the tractor. Probably in the next week or two 👍 I think the side skids are just to keep the corners from gouging on uneven terrain.. adjusting the roller seems to cure most all of that.

[@TDC_Dragon]

@@billygrossjr.5585 Thanks, I went ahead and drilled two additional holes rotating it down another 1 1/2". I may do one more set for mowing rougher areas. I'm surprised how smoothly the mower cuts and much less vibration than a rotary cutter. I'm using a JD 2038R as the tractor. Also wanting to try it with the quick hitch as it is not an easy 3 point connection to make without it. They only concern is extending it to the side and up puts some twist on the hitch and don't want it to pop out.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Yeah, not sure how well the quick hitch would do? They sure do place a lot of torque on your 3-point arms.

[@andysworld2188]

Is your tractor same size as a kubota B3350 or is it closer to an L size? I have a B2650 and am not sure what size would be appropriate for my tractor. Would really like the 57 or 65" model but am wondering if i would have to run 48" with how the weight is all hanging on one side and being supported by one lifting arm on 3pt hitch. I think i should stay away from the 65" since i don't have the PTO power the 33hp has.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

It is probably similar size to a 3350. Larger than a 2650-but not by a huge amount. I think the tractor without the loader only weighs 3500lbs for reference. I would think it could handle the 57”? I know mine has no shortage of power with the 65” mower.

[@andysworld2188]

@@billygrossjr.5585 ok so my Kubota B2650 cab is smaller than yours. Tractor by itself my book calls out at 2,300 lbs. B3350 is 2450 lbs. That's why i am not sure if i can run a 57" or need to stick with a 48". My tractor is a little light for how capable it is. Loader and 60" bucket adds 701 lbs + 125 lbs for backhoe sub-frame.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Hmmm, tough call…

[@jackofall2305]

@@andysworld2188 the b2650 and 3350 are the same tractor just different hp

[@andysworld2188]

@@jackofall2305 yes i know that. That is exactly why i asked if his tractor was the same size as a B3350 since i own the B2650. He had mentioned B3350 in the video

[@CharlesHathaway-vd9cq]

what brand & model of grapple with independent thumbs is the one that you show on the Kioti and where did you buy it? R U satisfied or any shortcomings?

[@billygrossjr.5585]

It is an Everything Attachments 60" HD Grapple. It has been very good and seems to be well built. My only complaint is I wish they had a flat spot or kickstand on the back of it so the grapple would stand up by itself in storage without having to leave it in the opened position.

[@CharlesHathaway-vd9cq]

@@billygrossjr.5585 Thanks for the fast answer Billy! It appears that they closed up shop even though there website is still up; just letting you know.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

I heard someone else say that! Bummer deal.

[@robertmoore8705]

Would be nice to see close up of your blades, and if you sharpen them...I'm looking at getting one but for 60-70 hp tractors.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

I will try to do an update video of the blades this summer 👍 they have held up well so far. I broke a few on rocks.

[@BossSwanger]

How do you like your Kioti CK3510se Cab? I’m looking at getting one. Any complaints about it?

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Overall it has been great. I have a few small complaints, but I would buy one again. I plan to do a review on it in the future!

[@BossSwanger]

What small complaints do you have about it?

[@billygrossjr.5585]

The valving for the front loader and rear 3 point could be better for variability. Multi tasking is not the loaders strong suit with the factory valvebody.. it does it, just not seamlessly.

[@BossSwanger]

👍🏻 I just put a deposit down on a CK4010se cab And the loader valving is not as nice as a kubota for sure. I hear the 3 point can be jerky

[@delprice3007]

Amazed 35hp tractor handles it; can you flail faster with lower grass height?

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Oh yeah. You can cruise along pretty good in shallower grass.

[@sciencemansandera]

Nice video thanks what I’d like to see is like where are you cut something deep like that and say you come back a week later or some thing after it goes out some does it really ya grind it up into nothing and give you a fine cut the second time? I got a John Donne John Deere 1070 with a rebuilt engine it’s 65 hp. I’m thinking about getting something like this. I have a 7 foot Woods and I we are a 5 foot would brush hog that will take out a I think a 5 inch long it’s got a huge heavy duty 3 inch shaft in it and built like a beast. I like looking for better equipment and would rather buy that used if I have to then something less heavy duty that’s new. When you see something that last it matters.👍👍

[@billygrossjr.5585]

It takes probably 2-3 cuts with tall stuff like that before all of the chaff is gone and it looks good I think. I can’t speak to reliability really because I have had 0 issues with mine after the initial setup, but I know other people have had a poor experience with these.. so tough to say.

[@offgridmangogrower]

Are you using any counter weights?

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Nope. My rear tires are filled with ballast though, so I am sure that helps.

[@puddlejumper3534]

What the horse power of your tractor. I am looking at getting one for my b2650 for trail grooming

[@billygrossjr.5585]

It is a 35hp tractor and seems to have more than enough to run the mower.

[@christophercarr4058]

Would you do a quick overview of placement of the holes you did for the roller?

[@billygrossjr.5585]

I will try to 👍

[@montaego]

Are you also cutting your lawn with it?

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Nope, we use a walker mower for that 👍.

[@MCSS7]

What lever are you using to extend or go to 90⁰

[@billygrossjr.5585]

There are two levers in the cab in addition to the three point lever. One runs the tilt and one runs the extension 👍

[@russellsumner2038]

Where did you buy it for $2300?

[@billygrossjr.5585]

I believe palletforks.com. Prices have definitely gone up since we purchased though :(.

[@mikef1570]

Almost $5k now. 😢

[@Smalley172]

You said you paid $2,300. Where? Cheapest I see is just shy of 4K.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

That was before all of this ridiculous inflation :(

[@lawrencepecho5204]

Local dealer in Mich if you know of one please

[@billygrossjr.5585]

I purchased it online? Not sure if they have local dealers?

[@tonyneves1089]

Mine lasted fifteen minutes mulched some 2 inch limbs and it destroyed iself.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

What a bummer. Maybe you have a different style of blades on yours? My blades have been very good.

[@tonyneves1089]

@@billygrossjr.5585 I have a tittan flab 65. It wasn't the cutters it is the gauge of steel. The housing twisted when the stick when through the opposite end of the belts. The cutters are not even scratch up. Worst part is the warranty department denied the warranty without even asking any questions.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

That’s awful.. I am sorry to hear that… are you able to repair it yourself do you think? Atleast so it’s not a total loss?

[@tonyneves1089]

@@billygrossjr.5585 total loss. Main frame housing twisted. Didn't even scratch the paint off the two side runners. Worst part they won't honor anything. Didn't even ask any questions seen the pictures. DENIED!I wouldn't buy anything from tittan.

[@StevieWonder737]

These don't look like they'll work on anything other than darn near level land. Any undulations would not work with the single big roller that controls cut height.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

They work well on uneven ground, but if there are a lot of steep sharp bumps you will end up scalping the ground.

[@gorgonbazil2652]

I bought the 86" version--WORST mower I have ever seen!!! I saw plenty of videos of the ditch bank mowers and thought they are all the same so I bought the Titan.. Took it to my field, started it up and set it down on the ground, I really thought the mower was running backward!! That is it just wasn't cutting, it just rolled over the grass--nothing. I raised the mower up so I could see under it, yup it was spinning and in the correct direction. The problem is the flawed design, the front of the mower pushes over the grass (lays it down) since the grass is so long by the time the cutter goes over, the roller in the back just pushes it down more and the blades just go over the top.. The problem is the front of the mower being too low, I don't want to plasma off 4 inches of steel from the front to make it work, but that is what it needs. Some would say just precut the grass then go over it--Seriously? I am not going to waste fuel to double cut anything! Hell, my 8 foot bush hog or my sickle mower do better on their worst day!

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Dang man, sorry to hear that.. maybe the 86” is a different design?? I am impressed with how well mine cuts.

[@gorgonbazil2652]

@@billygrossjr.5585 Billy, yes, it basically is the same but it is longer and I think the cutting head is too high inside the machine, I could lower the machine to the ground about an inch but I don't think it will make any difference plus it would also mean putting the 3 point frame on the ground too. When I ran it, I set it down nice and level, ran it and did not realize that frame on the 3-point was cutting a ditch through my yard. That is another issue that yours does not have, the frame where your 3 point connects is even, on mine the frame on the "passenger side" :-) extends down below my link by about 6 inches on that side. Look at the 3rd and 4th picture here: www.palletforks.com/tractors/3-point/mowers/flail/titan-3-point-offset-flail-ditch-bank-mower/FLAILDB-GROUP.html You will see how the frame hangs below the lower link ,,and that is with the frame level as it should be

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Bummer deal! Maybe sell it and switch sizes??

[@gorgonbazil2652]

@@billygrossjr.5585 Well, its brand new, trying to get them to take it back, I will get one from Mariotta, Lipa or Venture...Yeah,,its a bummer

[@Slider68]

Are you sure your 3-point hitch isn't just set too low when in operation? I would try lengthening your top link considerably, which will result in raising your 3-point hitch as well as raise the leading edge of the mower (the primary issue you have). The base of the mower may not be level, but does that matter?

[@georgecass8529]

Sounds to me like you shouldn't be giving advice .

[@billygrossjr.5585]

And why would that be?

[@georgecass8529]

@@billygrossjr.5585 because you don't know you are buying