INEOS Capsize Dissected: Did Ben cause catastrophe?

[@julianharms4109]

C’mon Tom - we’ve all clung onto the main sheet and tiller extension for no good reason after missing the toe-straps…

[@MozzySails]

We've all been there, and it's a relief to see the worlds best have their moment too!

[@rydenkaye9735]

i think the biggest factor here was the tow boats positioning. if the towline wasn't attached when ben released the traveller the boat would have been fine, and if the tow boat was pulling the boat head to wind the boat would have been fine. but pulling the boat sideways through the water almost drifting to it to port when the port foil arm and port hull are submerged created the rotational force that fully brought the boat over, not the sails

[@grantsutherland6798]

These boats are inherently unstable so much so that while setting up they generally have support vessels alongside. One thing wrong and all hell breaks loose. Much more difficult than the hardest of centreboarders

[@rogerbest1467]

I think the biggest factor was that the control system shut down. They were unable to lower the port foil, and they could not ease the sails... as soon as it was righted it just loaded up and capsized again...

[@tensevo]

@@rogerbest1467 it is clearly a combination of all factors, no single factor should cause a full inversion.

[@__X__O__O__]

Mettre le bateau face au vent avant de resaler !

[@jaysparc]

I wonder if they could get sponsored by Ozzyman reviews, this is totally a Destination F'd moment.

[@JonathanFerrier]

Awesome show. Unfortunately this reminds me of the TNZ campaign of 2003 where Blake stepped aside, Coutts departed, Tom Schnackenberg stepped in and the campaign became technology dominated, not a sailor led campaign. That forward hatch being removed, the boat being attempted to right before the boat was properly set to do so raises (mainsheet, mast rotation etc) a disconnect from fundamental seamanship that a technology dominated campaign is likely to bring. Maybe Etnz was more extreme, I recall inspecting the boats media comms tech one early morning b4 racing, the aft hatch hinges where not glued down, the battery was not secured, +++ tech led, basic boat keeping principles out the window. I tried to flag it to the bosun, I got flagged.

[@macscott5290]

Agree totally on the failsafe point on the foils. Most traditional plane landing gear systems were designed to “fall” downwards under gravity when unlocked from the up position if the hydraulics failed. Would guess this is more complex on a boat but looks like something similar is needed. Can’t understand why the front hatch was opened…. Dangerous and let in loads of water later which could have caused the battery fire?

[@deano41.123]

I suspect that the hatch was opened to gain access to the hydraulics, in the hope of releasing the foil. To avoid a roll over again.

[@cpainesail]

Believe the guy going into the hatch is hitting the manual pressure relief for the foil arm to get both in the down position. I am sure the system is closely related to the one design system used on the 75’s which all had manual release values.

[@MozzySails]

Good of you to clarify Caleb. I wonder why they didn't do that before righting though? I guess not wanting to open hatch on it's side in the first place (ironically). Or would the manual release cause the arm to fall relatively uncontrollably?

[@nateverge1167]

Is there any other electronic control down the hatch? Could they be turning it off & back on again? Also, where did that battery that caught fire used to live?

[@cpainesail]

​@@MozzySails It's a good question that could have been forgotten about, or their thinking was to ride the boat and then go deal with the board down. The boat captain, or whoever it was on the bow close to the hatch upon the boat being rided. Once the boat starts to flip back to the weather, he rightfully panics and gets out. The tricky thing is not knowing how INEOS's test boat's hydros work. It could be all one system which seems risky but simplified and light, or the traditional setup of separate cant and sail function systems. I haven't read the regulations so not sure if a single system on the test boat is even possible but just a thought. Side note it seems they should design a system with a manual valve accessible from the cockpit. The fact you have to go inside a boat when there is a massive hydraulic malfunction seems like a recipe for something bad to happen. Side note the one design old cant systems didn't even have filters on them, so you'd have to remove the oil from the boat, filter it and then put it back in haha. 😂 Loved your work during the last Cup. I did all the recon for AM and enjoyed watching your videos. I think Giles was trying to relive his Finn days going 1 to 1 on the main lol

[@laurenceturner9346]

I think you have the order of events wrong... If you assume the big lithium battery shorted out and failed first, They would then capsize with no hydraulics or electrical systems... I would be very surprised if the battery wasn't fully waterproof and it didn't appear to be a very violent capsize. With the wing sail angle partially set from the mast. The only mistake was trying to right the boat. They should have stuck a big float on the top of the mast and dropped / cut both the sails down. We all have hindsight and it's not something that you would ever plan for... no power, your screwed... The boat was going to capsize whatever ben did.

[@MozzySails]

I think the systems failure was the cause of the initial loss of control and capsize, and as explained in the video having several controls locked made the recovery difficult. The battery fire wasn't noticed until later, but I think that was separate and a result of the hatch being open and the battery bay being flooded. Was Ben the sole cause? No, the port foil being raised, the mast rotation being locked and the support boat towing slightly to port all contributed. But Ainslie holding on to the traveller certainly contributes to initial rolling to port when the boat is first recovered. I guess they though despite the failures that cutting the jib and mainsheet would be enough for them to right the boat and drop the sails conventionally without further damage. In hindsight they were wrong.

[@Jdcrouch1972]

Did they right it the first time without thinking it through completely and how the righted boat would react. All very easy in hindsight, glad they are all safe

[@charlestoast4051]

Like those many videos where they pull a truck or piece of plant back onto it's wheels, before realising no brakes are set and it rolls away to destruction.

[@billradford2128]

At this level we need to take a tip from air crashes and remove blame and punishment from the scene and focus of causes and solutions of the initial and subsequent problems. There is the old saying' Failure to plan is to plan to fail' but in this case they need to plan FOR a failure so that the crew can recover from problems with less damage! However, hats off to the sailors as they train to tame these awesome machines!

[@learigg]

Very lucky. Teams need to consider critical system failures and plan for the likely outcomes. New tech equals new problems.

[@JustInvertedFpv]

Given the look in Ben's eyes during his interview I don't think this analysis is going to be making his day better.

[@chrismartin5870]

Very glad that no one was seriously hurt. Any fire on a boat is quickly serious as the heat is contained like an oven.

[@TheAllEngineering]

Trouble seems to follow Ainslie around in the Americas cup!

[@JeremyRook-po5mt]

great analysis - thank you !

[@barney2001]

It would be hard to have a failsafe positioning for the hydraulics. Perhaps having a valve that releases the pressure into a container so no pollution, with a large spring or explosive actuator to move the arm down. Like a SawStop table saw. This needs to be separate from the control system. So a self-contained monitor notices the controls have quit would release all the boats hydraulics and park the arms down.

[@charlestoast4051]

I think a system like that would be better with a manual function, rather than relying on a suite of sensors and electronics, which might all fail - so, in effect, a big red button, an E-stop, that you can press and activate in an emergency.

[@BRSP1022]

I would hate to accidentally hit the big red button at full flight and speed.

[@derekness7900]

The foil being locked in the wrong position is a big factor, but also these rigs do not feather ( even if you can dump the traveller/main sheet ) . The rig will always be producing lift one way or the other that does make things tricky!

[@jonstivers]

Can you explain why you can't feather this rig?

[@jasonpickens9839]

Thanks for another great video. Couple of things: 1) You start the video at the moment you start talking which doesn’t work well as KZbin starts auto playing the video as I'm scrolling my Home page but muted and so by the time I've clicked it (pretty quick as I'm excited for another insight) I've already missed the start of what you are saying. A small intro would be good. 2) A few videos assume the viewer already knows what has happened which in my case is almost never true as you are pretty much the only sailing source that I follow. You might want to give a quick overview before the baiting tag line.

[@MozzySails]

Cheers for tip! I'll include an intro line to scene set

[@alleycatproductions3443]

It seems to me a few wrong choices and a fault within the boat makes the situation worst then it would have been. No one hurt is the main thing. Lessons learnt and tomorrow is a new day. Enjoyed the video, thumbs up from me

[@MozzySails]

Things escalate pretty quickly at sea and even more so in these boats

[@NobodySmart]

Had Ben A been able to free the mainsail before the cap size might have enabled them to to right from the 2 nd capsize with the mail sail intact. The biggest loss here is loosing one of the main sails from their limited (6?) number of development sails. Cutting it from the mast to save the boat was a desperate measure and result from not cutting a line that would have been under high load and easy sever. ( admittedly I would not have wanted to be anywhere near it when it unloaded).

[@AndyUK-Corrival]

Nightmare, glad they are all ok. That will be some long hours for the shore crew. Andy UK

[@pblakez]

Good analysis, I was thinking during your last video how many races are going to be lost due to systems failure with the increasing complexity, is this an example? Maybe going inside because of the lithium fire? that is pretty serious and a major engineering fail.

[@jaysparc]

Like when the Australian AC boat folded in half long ways and sank? that kind of increasing complexity? The A/C is the TESTBED of modern boat design, this is the bleeding edge my friend.

[@qtrfoil]

9:30 - free surface effect? I'm unclear how much volume there is "below decks." If that volume had started to fill with water, however, as soon as she rolled back to port the mass of the water that also rushed across would also have tended to heel the boat, contributing to the second capsize. Pretty classic naval architecture problem, actually.

[@BillACK]

I did the same thing when I had a Hobie Bravo. Capsize, right the boat and then immediately capsize to the other side.

[@brianc4917]

Wow no manual hydraulic release to dump hydraulic pressure.

[@vwwestfaliasyncro913]

Great analysis thank you :) I don't think they need a manual release / dump valve on the foil - I think the chase boat could have just attached one of the large orange buoy's /floats to it so it acted as an outrigger to stop the second capsize.

[@team3383]

Yes, but always easier to say so afterwards. Personally I think Mr Ainsley knew what he was doing and did what he thought was enough and yet the traveller didn't TRAVEL as it should have (NOT Mr Ainsley's fault) and the crew who pulls the sail DOWN to port at 16:56 was probably doing so because he was being shouted at to do so by Mr Ainsley ... It's all over in a metter of seconds and it's MOSTLY down to the port foil being blocked UP in the WRONG position. Nice Clickbait title though.

[@nroose]

Seems like the systems should be for performance, but there should be manual/direct ways to ensure safety - disconnects for the mast rotation rams, disconnects for the sheets and travelers, and maybe other override capabilities.

[@roythompson6137]

Glad no one seriously hurt although pride has no doubt taken a good bashing. Do they have their AC40 more or less ready for sailing?

[@MozzySails]

They've had it it since well before Xmas. Not sure why it hasn't been ready before now... they might speed up its commissioning now

[@MandolinSunrise]

Nice analysis, thanks. I was watching him cut through the main sheet etc. and wondered about the stress they are under, the competition in the launch boat(s) pulling, the owner, and all that. It wasn’t a race at that moment and the integrity of the boat would seem to be important. Did they need to right the boat so quickly, especially as there was an obvious mechanical failure? And how does insurance work? Is it all included?

[@GordonjSmith1]

As usual a very interesting and informing vlog. I think that the positive thing to come out of this is the large number of learning points that can only contribute to a better final design. 'How' somethings fails is as instructive as how it works well, and often more so.

[@martyncompton9572]

Ben just thought he was back in an Ilca. Roll it once quickly dive under and roll it up head to wind.😁

[@alessandrovaglini9088]

Great video! Thank you. I do not understand why they wanted to right the boat instead of fixing first the problems they clearly had. They could keep the mast horizontal with buoyancy and work out the problems minimizing the damages. Am I wrong?

[@blista1718]

Hi. Loving this analysis. When you show these videos could you please start off by playing them beginning to end without pausing? I haven't seen them before and would like to watch it in full first. I would also massively agree with your safety points. Getting inside the hull mid-righting/capsize seems crazy to me. The chance of being thrown around and injured while in a confined space seems very high. I'm also a little surprised to see some of the team standing on the upturned boat with no helmets. Your midway through a recovery on an unstable and slippery platform, a simple slip/fall turning in to a major head injury is a complication they really don't need. Couple of easy safety rules could be implemented to make the while thing less risky.

[@MozzySails]

Sure, will try in future. Also, if you go to the America's Cup youtube channel they post relatively unedited clips

[@freeaccess5905]

@@MozzySails I think links to the original videos would be sufficient, adding the whole video could water down your analysis.

[@leuvenisaplace]

Very glad that the sailors are unscathed perhaps for a bit of mental scarring. Whilst these vessels are amazing bits of technology, the inability to put a knife through a sheet or halyard to de-power them in an emergency, feels like a bit of a loss. One of the questions is regarding what is optimal technology for such a competition. Some suggest that dependence of hydraulics & electronics makes it too much of a deviation from the traditional skills of sailing, but the other view is that this event is now as much about innovation & unshackling oneself from constraints of tradition. Events such as have been occurring today to INEOS and previously to ETNZ, they're very much a part of that discussion. In other sporting contests, such events may provide more spectacle than the races/processions that sports may be centred around. It feels like regatta organisers have unlocked a glut of engineering changes and now the teams have some pressure to see how much can be determined prior to the regattas where perhaps more tuning & skill acquisition become all that remains. There is likely a lot for the sailing teams to deal with in becoming capable of sailing such exotic craft in steady state, then to deal with new schemes & changing kit for operation, the teams may have their hands very full. Whoever the experts responsible for safety within the teams & the contest organisers, I think they got an opportunity to show some leadership and to have some of the conversations about the matter of safety in the glare of the public. For electrically actuated hydraulics controlled by software operated at sea, what is the definition of safe? This was a capsize at very low speeds for these vessels that may be an vital case in point regarding the degree to which participants should not underestimate the dangers & complexity of the craft. How far away were they today from disaster?

[@charlestoast4051]

Yes, on the one hand, these boats are fascinating from a technological point of view, and we may see many surprise incidents, and subsequent technical solutions. Nobody has died or suffered serious injuries, but safety has to be the uppermost consideration.

[@leuvenisaplace]

@@charlestoast4051 So imagine that a rule is implemented either by a syndicate, or by the cup organisers along the lines of "that hatches into the void spaces of the hull that serve as primary source of buoyancy shall not be opened in specified circumstances... for fear that member of the crew may be trapped inside. Superficially it might add some safety, but it may compromise the sailors ability to efficiently rectify an on-board problem that otherwise requires them to abandon a race, or prevents skill development because the rules now declare a set of actions as unsafe. How to find a balance between competing needs whilst maintaining an acceptable regard for safety that a sensible consensus has formed around? That serious injury has not yet arisen hopefully means that the cup organisers & participants can be proactive in publicly engaging around the matters, without having the cover-your-arse mentality of needing to have every word considered by lawyers before being uttered in public. It may be discussion is intended to promote engagement and move towards agreement that lawyers may later attach themselves upon. I'd doubt that race organisers may be ready for the complexity of what they have initiated, but would be happy to pleasantly surprised.

[@alistersladen1212]

Good analysis and interesting the comments seems to have a similar theme, your title is exploring Bens involvement in this mess yet all the experts seem to be looking in other directions like the chase boat etc etc. Anyway I’ll leave the recommendations to all those that seem to know a heck of a lot about AC40’s, but Bens the head of the team and there seems to be a LOT of failings that caused more damage than maybe there should have been.

[@daves1412]

I see poor communication. And poor emergency preparedness. Nobody should be opening hatches on a boat that isn’t safely under control. And it sounds like Ben wasn’t communicating properly with team members. Again. Bit of a pattern forming here, maybe? Hope I’m wrong.

[@Sherpa199]

I think that were way past any situation that would have reasonably been prepared for. It looks like there was a total system failure. The guy who went into the fwd. compartment through the hatch does not look like one of the crew, he had jumped from one of the support boats a few minutes earlier, my guess is he was a systems expert because this guy swam a few metres to the boat and climbed up the sail, the next time he is seen is just before he went into the compartment, he actually slid/fell into the compartment, I think he was trying to check something on the systems, they were way out of normal operating procedures and done well not loose the boat or suffer injuries.

[@daves1412]

@@Sherpa199 ok if that’s the case I change my view - thanks. Yes agree regarding total system failure. I want INEOS to do really well. I do worry about the leadership approach. Often results hinge around that in the end. If I say anything else I will be repeating myself, so I’ll leave it there!

[@JOJOSAX56]

Thanks for this video! Best is the devil of good. The challenge is with so much complexity on their boat there is no stability/neutral. And it reminds us that basic dinghy sailing still apply on these boats : ease the sails, keel down 😂

[@MozzySails]

Very true!

[@chrismartin5870]

Tom, how/why is the mast float not holding the mast up? Fundamental no?

[@MozzySails]

I checked the video of them hoisting, and whilst you can't see the bladder, you can see a guy coming out from between the skins with a pump. So it was inflated. I am not sure if they were ever designed to prevent inversion for a long time. Also this was with their smaller main, so maybe less space for a decent size float?... questions will be asked though!

[@rodporteous5644]

A great analysis of their actions and problem solving, I would have thought it was a highly risky action to remove a hatch and enter a capsizing hull, I guess he knows the hull space well!!!! Do the guys carry entrapment breathing equipment ???

[@MozzySails]

All the sailors have a 5 minute tank. But it was actually support crew who got inside the hatch. I assume he ws rushing to get in to get to a release valve for the port foil get it lowered an help stability... but they tipped over before be could get to the valve

[@jeffreyparker587]

Next time if unable to drop a foil add a float bag to it prior to righting

[@peterebel7899]

I do think the damage in the rigg including the mainsail is not the problem. How much of a damage is caused in the electronics, I don't know the standards of water protection applied in these boats. Obviously the hydraulics lacks a failsafe mechanism giving freedom to bring down the foils in the case of malfunction. All teams need further instructions including training in capsize recovery scenarios.

[@shannonjurgens3667]

The must install manually operated valves or have the electric valves with manual override.

[@NiceTriGuy]

I think you grossly overestimate Ben’s superhuman strength being able to hold a traveller to weather with a loaded mainsail and cause a capsize. Maybe on a dinghy, but surely even a rough estimate of the load on that line would tell you that was not what happened. Good way to lose a few fingers, a hand or your arm if you go grabbing lines like that and given Ben had a knife out I don’t think that was what he was thinking.

[@user-dl4oo9qz2d]

Great show Interesting to pick up on how they going to control mast rake via the main traveler in the future Where can I find out how this is rigged and adjusted, is the mast controlled via control lines automatically relative to the main traveler

[@russelldesilva1560]

Nasty situation, glad they're all OK. These boats have ridiculous performance, but they aren't inherently seaworthy, you need to have your wits about you every second. As an ETNZ fan, I want to see Ineos do well this cycle just because they seem doggedly determined despite their apparent mistakes.

[@theflaver]

why the 'tow' boat didn't into the wind to reduce the chance of the sail pusing over to the port side is a mystery to me... but I know bugger all about sailing...

[@chrisdarling9061]

Whilst racing Enterprises in Scotland in the 70s, if capsized we would hang upside down from the centreboard. The boat would right, then re capsize Ineos style- leaving us perfectly placed on the upper side of the centreboard for an easy and quick righting

[@paulmahy]

How can you compare an enterprise with a foiling cat? stupid comment, by stupid.

[@leuvenisaplace]

How do other classes of racing vessels deal with the complexity of safety for canting appendages? Is there like-for-like in other professional sports where technical innovations misfiring may fundamentally (temporarily) change the safety equation. Add a few "Ainslie handles" to the back of transom, being some form of foul-up resistant handle on trailing edge. Ordinarily it might sit flush, but with force applied there is enough give to safe hand hold for those in the water...be it rope, or a cable that lies flat & out of harms way until needed.

[@macscott5290]

Ben mentioned an LI battery fire as well. Could have caused structural issues with any composites nearby… big big mess 😢

[@MozzySails]

yes, they had a significant fire on their tow back to the dock. A horrible day for the team

[@TheLDunn1]

Stay positive. At least by having a Li battery fire, they will now be able to rise like the Phoenix from the fire….

[@carisi2k11]

might be time to look at going with the new sodium batteries which work in a larger temperature range and don't catch on fire like lithium ion.

[@thedoctor907]

@@carisi2k11 lithium and sodium have the same issue of being highly reactive to water. If anything sodium has a stronger reaction as it's further down the alkaline metals tree.

[@north2kohala]

You can't be using Li ion batteries in production AC40s without waterproof battery compartments

[@richlatvala8143]

Yeah I dunno. It looked like that boat was going back over to port side no matter what. Seemed like it was listing with some water in the hull and the foil arm out just pulled it over. Ben let go trying to help but of course he is no help in the water.

[@Zickafoose2024]

Hey buddy, would you consider doing a video about the Finn class getting kicked out of the Olympics?

[@aardvarkmindshank]

Preventaling a turtle 🐢 brilliant.

[@nickgoodall578]

Seems like these boats are quite a handful.

[@kevindimauro9689]

A handful of horse poo. Thank goodness for SailGP. 😂

[@TheLDunn1]

In Ben’s interview after the event, he did comment that they were about to take the boat out of the water for a few weeks to do some significant updates. Not sure how much of a ‘cover’ that was for the other teams, but if that was the plan before todays events, then that might be their saving grace, albeit one that’s given the shore team more work than planned.

[@jaysparc]

I took his comments afterwards like when we we're kids and did something dumb and covered it with "yeah, I mean't to do that".

[@331Trevor]

Too many keel boat sailors. And yes I think the Finn is a very small keel boat. Skiff sailors would have raised their hands and said righting the boat with the mainsheet pinned and the foil lifted was going to end in tears. Better plan would be to get fucking organized before the initial righting attempt.

[@rogerbest1467]

Wasn't Iain Jenson on board?

[@like-the-cut-of-your-jib]

@@rogerbest1467 He’s very much on board. He’s clearly visible standing upright in the static colour photo near the end of the video. Not sure if he is the one who went into the hatch or not, but possible given the colour of his boots.

[@chrisleyland2110]

Im not saying I have the answers, but I was a marine operations manager, in charge of sailing vessel recovery on a totally different type of project. This scenario is a very real, but also a blatantly obvious reality and should have been accounted for. A capsize on one of these is a relatively rare occurrence, but there should have been 2 tow boats, a righting boat, and a head-to-wind boat, which could have quickly headed this second capsize off through training procedures. Even if the righting tug had maintained pressure, the head-to-wind boat could have quickly pressurized the bow to starboard, minimizing the wind pressure on the "new" windward side. There is multiple team water support and in this instance, a specific procedure should have been developed...even using a MUV (multiple-use vessel) as the head-to-wind boat. An apparent oversight not to conclude this could happen, especially given the fact of ( seemingly) no emergency hydraulic fail-safes in place. This is no time for a "she'll be right" attitude. Fact, things will and do fail. Fact, this is big money and time to recover from this. Don't get me wrong, they are a formidable and professional team, but I think the learning curve outstrips common sense sometimes...

[@charlestoast4051]

Yup, like the Fukushima designers never considering having watertight doors for the basements. So it commonly happens on a much larger scale than this. I think you need to have "visual thinkers" who might be able to anticipate more failure modes.

[@andrewwoodward6697]

In my industry there would be a prosecution for getting someone into a confined space, without air, a rescue line and close support, irrespective that it is at sea. You are right though, as all of the systems failed the boat needs to be made safe and recovered. The captain and the chase boat would have been able to make that decision. I wouldn't sail a boat with Ainsley on it now

[@Sherpa199]

@@andrewwoodward6697 Yes but in your industry (whatever it is) they would have most likely let the boat sink and ask questions later. The event was certainly dangerous but I think in those moments they were effectively fighting for their lives/programme. I know someone who had a huge crash with an off shore power boat, 3 of the 4 crew are bobbing around on the surface and they realise that one is missing, they quickly dive into the capsized wreak and recovered the 4th guy, that would have happened here. Unless that guy in the hatch was knocked unconscious then I pretty well guarantee that he would have just dived out of the hatch in any case.

[@flo475644]

And release the mainsail ??

[@thepunishernzl]

I bet there were a few turtleheads onboard when all that was happening.

[@windwardpro]

If you watch the whole video- Ben definitely did not cause the boat to re-capsize (the team deciding not to cut the traveler/skin lines definitely DID)- but it seems like Ben was just using the line to hold on and expected to be able to pull himself aboard as the boat righted- but it didn't work out that way...

[@charliemcmonagle]

Ah brutal day for them. They have got to have look at how they were bringing it up first time. With a big systems failure and bodies in the water its not just a normal capsize. In this case the support boats and crew should have made sure it was secured before dragging them back up. Support vessel at the mast head would have given them more time to sort out the systems and give ben more time to full free the main. Looks like it was all a horrible rush. Perhaps the electrical problems had already started at this point? Cant imagine how the support crew are feeling.

[@nroose]

They are getting an AC40 soon, no? The sailing team should focus on that. The shore team should be focusing on the new AC75. The T6 should be the 3rd priority boat.

[@MozzySails]

I think they've had it since we'll before Xmas. Around the time ETNZ damaged their bow Grant said one had been delivered to INEOS. Hopefully it should be quick to get that sailing if T6 is off the water for long

[@vincenzo_turco]

How did they even cut the main sail 20 meters below the surface? Scuba divers or what?

[@MozzySails]

There isn't any video of that, but looking at the sequence of photos I think they: 1) swam down and attached large bour to mast head 2) inflated bouy 3) boat now on its side cut away mainsail 4) fully righted boat and towed to port

[@peterwor]

That's what ya call a good ol SNAFU... I think the real culprit is the foils being locked. It's possibly a software/firmware update that should happen. I have to say, give Ben some credit for trying to cut those lines, he's at the rear of a big boat and he had the presence of mind to know where to go and what needed doing... The first monohull foiling wet start...😂

[@timball885]

Lots of Ineos shopping bags from that main? Could they have taken more time to get that foil down etc what was the rush would it have not sat fairly happly. Anyway real shame, and horrid to see. Great analysis as usual.

[@fredio54]

Wow, spectacularly bad failure of judgement on the part of both Ben with all his arrogance and Mr hatch opener. Systems issues aside, just not doing those two things might have prevented it falling again and prevented most of the damage. Also, not waterproofing your cobalt nickel manganese lithium packs is a spectacular fail too. Ouch.

[@Biguggy]

Love your channel and your indebth observations but don't agree with your statement voicing did ben have a part in the capsize resulting to turtleing. Yes I see your point but we're you their and maybe Ben was trying to release the traveler

[@MozzySails]

No worries Graeme, mines just an opinion, no more valid from yours

[@lesp315]

After Ainslie run into Japanese at the Australian Grand Prix anything is possible.

[@cosmostrek2001]

he is holding onto the back of the boat. because he does not know how to swim. the guy in the hatch is afraid of the water.

[@malin5468]

Haha

[@rogerbest1467]

Watched Ben dive/swim off a media boat at 2011 isaf worlds😁

[@marceltromp1454]

What about the lithium fire inside the upside down boat

[@tom12146]

People make mistakes, things fail. Especially when at the very forefront of a sport.

[@johnstephen2869]

Batteries should be contained in a waterproof lunch-box, like my dinghy has. Automatic foil drops should not be that hard to design. The chase boat captain should be sacked.

[@Nobilangelo]

Now renamed SOENI

[@dadcooks1347]

I blame the new jib car system 🤓

[@MozzySails]

😅

[@lawriebrice1103]

Oh how easy is it for us to comment from the comfort of our armchairs. Luckily no one hurt which is all that matters to me. Hardware can be replaced humans cannot.

[@jameslittlewood7663]

Pretty weird they can’t drop off a wave without wrecking their electronics. “Boat hits wave” ain’t a headline.

[@ben3989]

One way to view this: these boats aren’t seaworthy! They’ve traded off seaworthiness for performance and foiling.

[@MyKharli]

Glass canons .

[@chrisdarling9061]

More seriously- I think the implied criticism of Ben is unfair. In going to the stern and cutting the jammed main sheet he was doing exactly the right thing. The debrief should include whether or not he cut the correct rope - ie not the traveller- but possibly that was too strong or highly loaded line to easily cut.

[@BRSP1022]

Such a messy day for them. How deep was the water they were in?

[@MozzySails]

36m (I have access to GPS track for the day)

[@BRSP1022]

Awesome breakdown. And love your content. Jomboy Media needs to give you a call.

[@Chris.Davies]

Always happy to see a challenger in trouble!

[@tensevo]

gr8 analysis

[@timothyallen2650]

It's a shame. They're so far behind already and this just puts more compression into the schedule weather or not the going in to the shop for a few weeks is true.

[@MozzySails]

It's going to be tough from here. Just when they started to get things moving in the right direction

[@TheLeg_11]

What is the British perspective on Ben's America's Cup attempts? From a New Zealand perspective, every attempt he's made has been a bit of a laughing stock. Watch that come back to bite me in a few years.🤣 Obviously he's one of the great Olympic sailors but is there still backing for him or do you think it's time for him to pass on the torch?

[@malin5468]

I agree. Just because he was a great Olympic sailor, it doesn’t mean that he is a great manager/decision maker. The last Ineos AC 75 campaign was a disaster. Their first boat was a dog and when they copied the the hull end plate/bustle/skeg invented by NZ and Luna Rosa, they tried to be too clever with the hull shape with that flat stepped section. I know Ainslie is not the designer, he should have known that it was unlikely to be an effective hull form-there was just too much wetted surface area compared with NZ and LR.

[@jonathanpoppleton1010]

@@malin5468 He is a great sailor , and tuner of equipment , Americas Cup has the hole design element which seems to be the problem . The mistake Ben made here was one of many , the main mistake being the tow boat not depowering the sail by dragging the nose into the wind Bens other short coming seems to be communication/Leadership style which seems to have been lacking here, and probably a big factor

[@TheLeg_11]

@@jonathanpoppleton1010 I do find it crazy that with the backing the Brits have from so many different fields, they just seem to have no idea on design. ETNZ work on a shoestring budget and always seem to produce a boat a generation ahead of the others.

[@ptewilks2634]

why dont the chase boats have guys ready to dive in and help they would know buy radio whats going on

[@pjmazan]

They do but it's mostly for personnel rescue. Having people in the water is a nightmare in these scenarios. They are not quick to add bodies.

[@MozzySails]

The boat captain gets in, and later once inverted a diver. But less people in the water the better.

[@barryscott6222]

I think that boat is a write-off, nothing there worth saving. Move on asap, onto the next iteration, and build off an AC40 platform.

[@williamlaws9338]

Here's my thoughts on this ,,, the crew dont know this boat! Only once heve i seen this boat get on its foils for at least 20 minutes, even then it was sketchy, cant see this team making the playoffs ..oh well ,,, 4 more yrs

[@crispyworks]

#panic😬

[@billhanna8838]

Water ballest LOL

[@sly6627]

Ticked that box, lessons learned, move on. Bit of a nothing burger if you ask me.

[@lacisjanis]

Bravo Sherlock! 👍 P.S. Ineos #ucked... 🤣

[@lawrencefalk8714]

I these boats but the more I see of them, i think I like them less as they seem to be too unseaworthy. ???

[@KiteTurbine]

Gutting

[@chrischamberlaine4160]

A billion quid dinghy. What use are these things except to re distribute wealth.

[@mini696]

No, he didn't.

[@dmurphy1578]

The guy at the hatch probably sees the fire starting. Hacks. The most technical boat with sensors everywhere blah blah blah. Well. Stiff upper lips chaps.

[@real2gone]

T6 is soggy toast. No point in wasting resources (especially time) in trying to rectify, or arse covering. Time to move on.

[@fedup3449]

Technology for the sake of it, rather than for genuine progress. Bring back real sailboats, no batteries, grinders and all that bull. Just sail. Hate this format. Hate SailGP too.

[@boatboy222]

Centuries old technique for stopping boats from capsizing is called a keel!

[@Antipodean33]

All I know is these are the ugliest sail boats I've ever seen. Then you get all this technology sailing the thing.

[@MozzySails]

even watching this video of Patriot carve through low clouds? instagram.com/reel/CodM_1ZgS6N/? Come on, you must admit this at least is beautiful?

[@Antipodean33]

@@MozzySails I'll tell you what is beautiful and that is the 100 foot Aussie Maxi Ragamuffin hitting high 30 odd knots during the Sydney to Hobart a few years back. Look it up here on youtube, type in Ragamuffin 38 knots Sydney to Hobart I think that should bring it up.

[@villageblunder4787]

You've got to make these videos shorter.

[@robertbaird4822]

Kiwis point of view,get another designer start again that boat is a total failure

[@AechPEss]

It was done on purpose.