67 crew on drill music: Is it to blame for violence? - BBC Newsnight

[@TheUnatuber]

I just saw an old Harrison Ford movie, so tomorrow I'm gonna jump to the ground from a fatal height and survive without serious injury.

[@Madbrad2000]

this ain't new. Happened to punk/metal, happened to garage, happened to grime, happened to road rap - and now it's UK Drill. In 10 years it'll be something else. The music ain't the cause, it's a symptom. We need to stop looking at youts creatively getting themselves off the streets and look at what caused them to make this music to begin with - i.e poverty, lack of social services, youth centres, education etc. Is it easier to just ""ban"" the music? Sure. Are you fixing anything? No.

[@moscokidd3813]

Real talk! You said it! "Symptom" people need to stop being so short sighted with this issue.... truth is they dont care enough to examine the real cause

[@potatopoweredhamster9897]

100% agree. The problem with PC culture right here. Bringing the ban hammer to anything they can point the finger at. Meanwhile not having the slightest sodding clue. The left is fine just beware of the authoritarian side of that politics. NEVER ACCEPT IT. Laugh them out of whatever position of power they hold.

[@Madbrad2000]

I'm not sure why you're making this a political issue. This has been going on through both conservative and labour governments. edit: The problem is not wanting to fix the problems for various reasons. It has nothing to do with PC culture (although yes, the tabloids do get outraged).

[@yeahyeah4433]

Truth right here, they look at whats presented on the media and blame it as an excuse for being shit at controlling the people, its like saying some gay ass diss track is causing violence because its getting a reaction, but its just a lot more intense and real, just another example of the government trying to silence peoples suffering, they don't want these kids to get out of ends, or show what its like on the street because it shows the governments failure to keep the law.

[@DMXhill]

Madbrad200 thank you, finally someone who puts it perfectly. The music is just scapegoated and an easy option to blame

[@kathman6952]

Man said 67 'crew' made them sound like an Xbox 360 clan

[@Madbrad2000]

It is a 'crew'

[@lutherreigns5781]

Well they're from London so there as harmful as an xbox crew

[@zone2fanboy429]

@@lutherreigns5781 you're probably from ireland

[@i.c.e.7555]

Madbrad200 gang

[@SirAmicVarze]

Stupid to blame the music for the violence. The violent content of the music is because it reflects their lived experiences, not because the music itself is causing the violence. This is just the latest round of pearl clutching by people who are out of touch.

[@DirtyEdon]

Not be it glamourise it and normalises it.

[@ukdrilledits1773]

The only reason why politics say drill music influences is the violence is cah they blame it cos there's nothing else they can blame on is what they think which is stupid cos them doing stuff like investing in youth clubs for youngers can changer alot than just banning drill

[@richardrich1384]

Music makes you feal emotional.I disagree it's relatively new and is a way which is like traditional gangster hip hop on steroids ever since uk drill became popular the crime rate increases explain that.It reflects a way of life that is ignorant and morally wrong.And young people are very impressional.Of course other factors such as poverty and your cultural background come into play.

[@adrianfernand33s]

Razor20091 I listen to drill and it does influence yute, dis man don’t need to rap about sticks and shanks. Why not rap positive vibes for yute

[@wmac78able]

It provokes rivals into retaliating for disses in tracks. If you think that has nothing to do with the current level of violence, then you're blind to the facts.

[@murkzyt6649]

Did they just call 67 a band?

[@davidpeat9484]

Lol, 67 olders are a boyband and ain't mashed work in years

[@steezgeneral7715]

@@davidpeat9484 step to them with a nank den

[@jmadedis]

@@davidpeat9484 you talk like ur some fed who watches their every move.

[@robakles1]

David Peat Surely That's A Good thing innit badboy?

[@alexjwill8321]

😂

[@kathman6952]

67 the 'Brixton Boy Band'

[@KrisTHFC26]

"Joogin=selling drugs" 😂😂😂

[@purepk3rz4]

Fucking killed me 😅😅

[@KrisTHFC26]

@@vladimirtrump3326 joogin not jookin..

[@mdotz187]

Cor Blimey that was jokes 😂😂😂

[@ocooperr]

Fammm I was creasing😂 was about to comment this myself

[@ukdrilledits1773]

😂😂😂 it means stealing and shotting and the word is juggin' 😂😂😂

[@niro710]

How is it "glamourising crime" most drill music should be a warning to kids to stay off the roads lol

[@rxadam4611]

liamdor i agree but some kids do think this is cool

[@vladimirtrump3326]

This did have 67 likes till I liked it, I’m a pagan

[@NL-fg6it]

Not really, loads just see the benefits of the lifestyle which they always talk about.

[@aaronlyons1159]

Good way to look at it 😂

[@progressivelife841]

Glamourising means makes something cool or good .. and it does that ... even if it does reflect their life.

[@vl-valuablelessons8936]

England is the only country to ban drill music , look at Usa and france etc

[@Oldheadontheblock]

maybe because UK drill is way more violent than in any other countries? USA used make drill music but they stopped

[@user-sf9sd8on6i]

Viral Videos lmao you ain’t from the area are you drill Music is still strong in Chicago it’s not mainstream no more but it’s still there and really everyone that’s still in the scene is trying get out with the music cause it’s still violent In Chicago shit violence is going up

[@Daniel-cp4bd]

@@user-sf9sd8on6i FACTS

[@CH-pu4oe]

Viral Videos UK drill ain’t more violent than drill from chicago you sound real stupid saying that

[@SI-cd7xs]

uk is actually very safe. it's just a fascist police state where 'liberals' think they have the right to tell you what to think, what to listen to to, what to say etc.

[@ImranHussain-cc3ot]

Tbh it dosent matter if they ban it people will still listen to it

[@yourdedcat-qr7ln]

Capt Prsain1990 exactly its like weed

[@rasdavis8390]

I rate dimz. Man's said I wouldn't have my daughter here if it wasn't safe jheeeeeezzeeee. Big up dam man dem 67

[@craigmalcom6294]

'Did you finish school' ' I finished primary school' 🤣🤣

[@Ammo593]

6:55 walks past 67 on the door

[@ukdrilledits1773]

Thas what i was thinking lool

[@DontDissTheProgram]

clocked was thinking thats ironic

[@relzoh5311]

How can they say one of the members are banned from making music (Scribz), then proceed to show him in the studio recording a verse 🤣

[@trapologic939]

Relzoh Banned from releasing music I guess

[@arkitfinest6562]

They said in the past you idiot

[@alexfoster2623]

That’s LD not scribz ahaha

[@trapologic939]

Alex Foster I really hope you’re joking lol

[@alexfoster2623]

Trapologic obvs

[@vl-valuablelessons8936]

wag1 for 67 talking to BBC like they are going to help them, they even translate the lyrics to make them look bad lool

[@genretypebeats4612]

Art reflects reality. Just like how Basquiat art always did. They tried to blame grime back in the day which basically led to the end of so solid crew but grime is too big a target now so they are are moving on to drill. They even had a law in place the "696" that would target grime but now they had to scrap it because over time it became obviously apparent that it was statically racist. Go listen to the Marilyn Monroes of the world and slipknots and many rock bands lyrics are bordering on being sadistic but they never go after them. Furthermore, You almost can't live in an area or an environment like Brixton and start rapping about going to the farm and riding horses and drinking tea whilst watching the sun go down... It's just not realistic ...

[@Madbrad2000]

" They tried to blame grime back in the day which basically led to the end of so solid crew" You're thinking of UK Garage. They did indeed blame garage for violence and it hurt as a result. The blame towards grime would come later. So Solid were a UK Garage crew.

[@genretypebeats4612]

YOU RIGHT...It's the trickle down effect ...

[@DankBudwoi]

Reality reflects art too

[@ddd-ly3rv]

aahahahaha. Marilyn Monroe.

[@progressivelife841]

Brixton does actually have a place where u can ride horses.

[@uklyricsvideos4502]

Uk drill is nowhere near as bad as the. Real chicago drill was. Media trying to make london look like a warzone 😂😂😂

[@dami1219]

Yh becasue we don't have guns

[@itsydensify4419]

dami Okoisor they do have guns 😂

[@hassis6206]

It's only gang members dying, innocent people barley get touched

[@kw7142]

People getting stabbed every day

[@uklyricsvideos4502]

Tiger Blood Winning yeah but Bd and gd gangs are black gangs

[@NEILAFIRIMTABI]

67 is the best in DRILL

[@stanleymattis]

Love songs need to be banned for the high rise in pregnancy 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@TJM2002]

Rah LD thinks he got familys listen to his tunes over there Sunday Roast

[@jamescoleman6064]

LD wasn't in this video...

[@myview2543]

lool

[@jamescoleman6064]

@DDot Sav That's Scribz... LD has a mask

[@TJM2002]

James Coleman ur a fucking drip

[@jamesseddon5540]

Are you blind scribz and LD are the same person

[@MrBwench]

Y dimzy looking like some 50 year old uncle 💀💀💀

[@elymuff]

They're right. None of the problems their communities face is *because* of the genre of music of which they are part. In fact, as they said, getting involved in music production is a totally positive trajectory for everyone involved.

[@gsalim8884]

Word dj khaled showed us from day . They don't want you to win they dont want you to have better life

[@mellowmax]

no violence is to blame for drill music

[@mellowmax]

what about personal responsibility? not all poor people are violent

[@mellowmax]

FREE JUVIE NO LIMIT NO LIMIT WRONG!!

[@yeahyeah4433]

The death threats don't come from the songs, these gangs have been at "war" for ages, its now finally being spoken about, and the government wanna mute it, who knows why? maybe because they're to stupid to try and fix the problem, and instead hide it away, gangs in general have been killing each other for timee, now they suddenly give a shit because its uncensored now, funny aint it looool

[@user-ei7ed6zy9k]

Sorry chief. I've seen innocent 12 year olds turn into drill rapper wannabe's way too many times. All genres of music influence fans, drill worst than 90's punk rock

[@whooked]

music doesn't make crime but if you already have it 100% in your mind it would get u more gassed to do it

[@davidreedz7299]

Fact

[@rjkmusicmedia]

Art reflects life. Art can influence life, sure, but is no reason to ban it or demonize it. Their lyrics have nothing on the horror genre.. its rated R, 18 or PG for a reason and if bad people rise to the surface we can deal with them individually..

[@bigmoneysteppa]

Lol first time you left the comments on. Amazing. Let 67 live.

[@twist777hz]

Take a page out of South Park's book. The fastest way to get rid of a certain element of youth culture is for parents to encourage it and participate in it. No kid would listen to drill if his mum and dad were dancing to it in the living room. Alternatively the mums could get together to write their own drill about cooking meals, doing the dishes, etc.

[@skattz]

Ur done out ere

[@user-kz7uy5ho9j]

@AmmSmoke GunSmoke Word

[@wembleymafia]

this is so dumb

[@emanw.9978]

Lool

[@TheAbuFulaan]

I was so happy to hear dimzy at least has Islam. May Allah swt guide him and those around him. Ameen.

[@lutherreigns5781]

fuck allah

[@miladz1307]

Luther Reigns fuck u

[@topshotta_walahi_killer-da651]

@@lutherreigns5781 fuck you edl yute

[@free6845]

i like the way they say "you can sadly access drill music"

[@Arthurgoldlizard]

6:54 did no one else notice the door?

[@123markcollins]

They said and did the same with grime. It will be the same with the next big of genre

[@yeahyeah4433]

It won't though, there doing it because they're actually stupid enough to think drill is the cause of an increase in crime, little do they know its the fact they let people live in absolute poverty with nowhere to turn.

[@123markcollins]

@@yeahyeah4433 exactly they carry on doing this with whatever big genre involed. They don't want us to make it. And even if everyone switched to rock music they would say the same to keep everyone down they don't want to see a nigga up

[@NL-fg6it]

Grime was more about having lyrical skills. You could get respect just for skills on the mic. In Drill, you will never be taken seriously unless you've actually done dirt on road. Sadly, that's where we're at.

[@Madbrad2000]

A lot of grime back in the day was done by the same type of people doing drill now. Same with road rap which the gov tried banning

[@NL-fg6it]

Madbrad they weren't talking about knifing mans up in explicit detail on every track though. They weren't naming dead opps in tracks either. They also talked about looking after their family and getting out of the hood. Not really the same, but there are similarities.

[@gedbeat15]

I'm from the US. I recently took a trip to London & went down to Brixton. One of the locals told me that the area I ended up in was the UK equivalent of American projects, and I was like "Really?". Compared to US housing projects (particularly in NY, Chicago & Los Angeles), UK estates are actually really nice & well kept.

[@Jjbk516]

Up north the housings a lot worse

[@harrywoods3999]

maybe in the one u went to but alot of estates all over the Uk are not inhabitable places to live often no running water gas electrics etc as well as damp and mould

[@HULLGRAFFITI]

As Ice-T always said.. "I just rap reality . Crime is glamorous ...."

[@uklyricsvideos4502]

Looooooool drill has been out here since 2012 and the murder rate in london is nowhere near places like baltimore, new orleans or even chicago in 2012-2015

[@01kay101]

UK LYRICS VIDEOS for real thoe most of the murders in London aren’t even gang related 🤦🏻‍♂️ mostly domestic issues

[@fazesw2343]

kay m 90% of London stabbings are gang beef bro are u dumb

[@uklyricsvideos4502]

A1 Certi he said murders not stabbings

[@fazesw2343]

UK LYRICS VIDEOS yh and most Murders are done with blades in London use ur brain g

[@01kay101]

A1 Certi how you talking about use your brain when you didn’t even read what I wrote properly 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@nuwopornuskiofficial8802]

I am Liquez from 67 & this is where I'm located, come & find me...

[@hamzar776]

Looool “joogin=selling drugss”😂😂nope lool dont dead me juggin = working

[@hamzar776]

Grinding b

[@user-ei7ed6zy9k]

Drill is the new punk rock culture of the 90's, but rather than drugs and alcohol, it's violence. At least most punk rock heads make it past 30

[@MuhammadAkram-xp2tm]

67 is hard. They work hard

[@topshotta_walahi_killer-da651]

Man like Muhammad

[@minhajhussain2312]

I don't blame Drill music for the stabbings and shootings. I blame these kids for not having common sense and the parents who don't raise their 'Road man' kids properly.

[@arcode4246]

Drill isn't a cause of violence, true. However, it definitely incites people to be more violent to develop an image of themselves as drillers and it would be incredibly ignorant to say otherwise. I say that as someone who listens to drill on a daily

[@benbow7]

So vibrant and enriching.

[@ShapurTheLegend]

Realistically, it takes a lot of skill. I'd like to see you try lol

[@ShapurTheLegend]

Plenty of UK rap that don't consist of drill anyway. Listen to ard adz, mic righteous, lowkey, akala, avelino, krept and konan, etc. We got ethnic music in the charts but you want to pretend that's not the case

[@OTFIdol]

3 all Harlem Spartans

[@emperater]

1:58 it's sad that he thinks his choices are music or chilling on the block doing nothing. What about picking up a book?

[@rdgguy11190]

Free Miz!!! Him and PS ardest in drill

[@Madbrad2000]

If you drop out of highschool you don't have many choices.

[@01kay101]

Madbrad200 nah there are plenty lol wtf you talking about. It’s what you make of it simple. Plenty of wealthy people who never finished high school

[@dami1219]

@@01kay101 not in the area that they live in where they don't have many opportunities

[@Matman651]

What people don’t understand is that in areas where the drill music is from obviously it’s not increasing violence or influencing people because it already happens there. But I come from and area where there used to be almost 0 crime but I feel that the kids listening to this have genuinely been influenced as crime rates are increasing rapidly

[@progressivelife841]

Matman651 what area ?

[@Matman651]

Progressive Life for example shootings in Ickenham like a week ago

[@s.ngannou4519]

when I watched SAW for the first time I actually thought of kidnapping and torturing someone on my way to work...then another time I watched the history channel and woke up wanting to create an empire that would last for 1000 years 😱

[@certifiednerd307]

ur tapped bro loool

[@illegaleyesmedia2653]

I work five days a week and everyday this year I’ve heard about stabbings everyday on bbc radio then they go play drill music straight after reporting on it. They’re exploiting it and want it to to continue

[@oliverlloyd336]

'The biggest drill band in the uk' 😂😂

[@MrDarksidematter]

I've found that people that say 'you get me?' after every sentence don't usually tend to be the brightest.

[@omardub15]

6:54 67 lives here 👀

[@ThePlatformuk1]

COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT CLAIM 03/09/2018 The deliberate and unauthorised copyright piracy and exploiting of our intellectual property is a criminal offense. 3:49

[@malacki6554]

You could say the same for violent video games causing school shooters or heavy metal causing teens to self harm.

[@joahua788]

If you don't think drill is influencing the youths you are delusional.

[@Jayben1111]

Liquez never even considers not getting a new burger

[@JimmyDanger44]

If anything, drill reminds me of how lucky i am that i haven't had to deal with these scenarios

[@ukdrilledits1773]

Who is Dimzy's wife?

[@MT-jn5kj]

man aint got no wife bruv

[@ukdrilledits1773]

OZMO987 😂😂 washed yute

[@MT-jn5kj]

lol im not a yout

[@1000dannycawley]

Do people forget 50 cent and 90s rap honest to god middle class people have no idea I know people to listen to music all day and stone cold calm it's not to blame for violence it's a form off expression and music can touch man's soul when done right stop blaming it

[@theworld-islost7675]

In every society poverty breeds hardship and violence my friends good luck and God Bless You all . Let the music set you free , Power To The People .

[@Alex__LDN]

Scribz answered very well. Good brudda

[@francismendy1398]

"Oi, mate! Ya got a loicense for dat mixtape?!"

[@dan1004uk]

It’s easy to say that music is causing the issue, but it’s harder to fix the problems in society.

[@TheSmithylicious]

Surely drill is just a symptom of the problem and not the cause itself

[@JRai1073]

Skribz lookin like lukaku 😂

[@traceymensah8991]

Joel Rai ur disgusting and racist fuck off u dumb bitch

[@GrumpyGrebo]

What is to blame for the waves of crime at present? A feeble old lady called Theresa told the metropolitan police not to chase criminals when they escaped on mopeds (so predominantly youths) because they may fall and hurt themselves. This inherently caused a sharp rise in crimes committed on bike by creating an essentially untouchable method of robbery.

[@Taporeee]

Record companies really not happy they've been cut out.

[@cb7340]

Ban drill and you'll have more gms on the street that's how it is

[@418amin]

history repeats itself, its always easier to blame the music than the actual problem, same thing the U.S government tired to do in the 90s and early 2000

[@TheNoirAlien]

This music is not a Therapeutic exercise.

[@sirwhooshingtonthe3rd706]

Drill how I see it only increases violence between rival gangs, they diss each other get a lot of views and it's online and everyone is adding their input just adds fuel to the fire. The days when there was no youtube guys must have been dissing each other joining group chats and shit but I don't see most guys being bothered to join that it's long

[@besafe2004]

1011 is the biggest uk still groip but 67 are the most successful who is out here banging out 67 tunes anymore it ain’t 2016

[@falador8300]

Alot of people

[@jgbdickcleland]

It reflects reality and primes the viewers mind for violence.

[@MattyBoyy99]

Government need to up their fucking game and stop blaming drill music.

[@JordsM95]

The Ade bar is 🔥🔥

[@Legendunited19]

they got the wrong m-trap. m-trap from stockwell had nuttin to do with jets lol

[@philipgeorge7542]

People were killing people before Drill music. The rise in knife crime is not connected to drill music per se, it is more connected to the rise in drug dealings, sales patches/turf wars. Drill music is actually seen as a legit way out of the grim life most of the kids involved in gangs aspire to.

[@riri1995-k7q]

What 67 song is that in 1:28??

[@madarasavage7581]

67 love from Liverpool me and my 3 year old fuck with gang gang 👊

[@johnn7609]

These politicians and police are so up their own arse it’s embarrassing! Let’s blame drill music cos we are so incompetent at dealing with the route cause.

[@i.c.e.7555]

Song at 3:46?

[@O1010-b2i]

Crime is crime drill doesn’t make you do crime it’s doesn’t inspire people who like the music to do crime. they are already relating to music when they here it.

[@smuni9816]

Drill is the solution to there situation it’s not the thing causing crime the government need to realise that

[@drazen1529]

So in UK you can go to jail for 2 months for possession of freaking knife. And music is raising crime rate but putting people to jail for possession of knife does not ? Are you freaking serious, what kind of country is that. I imagine you get life sentence for killing chicken by that logic.

[@thedonkilluminati96]

Free up the chickens 🐔

[@dt6892]

Drazen it’s actually 6-12 months for a knife

[@aaronberns8485]

You can’t blame entertainment for everything.

[@sambarber4634]

never gonna stab anyone but gonna listen to ld and k trap still . racism really

[@jpswerve182]

you might aswell just say the blockbuster movies that makes kids hack into the nhs and cause viruses

[@JG-py9iz]

What’s the song @ 0:53

[@K02-l8t]

Ngl I don’t believe 67 the biggest drill group anymore

[@MattyBoyy99]

M.K 2nd Channel they was back in 2016 easily

[@hypeicez2416]

Ofb?

[@slyarchive4127]

knife crime is a government problem. Not a rap problem.

[@user-ei7ed6zy9k]

I've seen way too many people growing up carrying knives when not even in a gang, it's just for the clout. The more clout points they score, the more they're motivated to go to the next level. You're delusional

[@i.c.e.7555]

@@user-ei7ed6zy9k kid people don’t carry knives for clout

[@user-ei7ed6zy9k]

@@i.c.e.7555 sounds like you've never been to secondary school or grew up in inner cities.

[@i.c.e.7555]

@@user-ei7ed6zy9k people don’t carry knives just to get bagged and locked up for 5 years

[@user-ei7ed6zy9k]

@@i.c.e.7555 So you haven't been to secondary school or grew up and live in inner London? you are not qualified to make conclusions my guy

[@congestedthoughts8689]

Swear down Dimzy's Muslim?

[@PakiiiBux]

Yeah hes snapped him going jumma prayer a good few times ( talking about 2 years back when i followed bare ppl on snap )

[@myview2543]

Drill isnt to blame whatsoever but it is definitely a factor

[@johncharlton199]

Maybe instead of the politicians villainizing the Music, why don't they actually put in the work to put in affective legislation and funding that would decrease poverty in the inner city and invest in education that just might prevent youth crime.

[@matthewread7220]

Least they are not stabbing people. Don't get me wrong music is definately not my taste but it's just music.

[@mrbwalkng2]

whats the song at 00:42 called?

[@KrisTHFC26]

This Side - 67

[@mpaso111]

we are stars now

[@bookeyrsg8051]

How they gunna bait my cousin from 4:21 smh

[@smuni9816]

People saying that violent lyrics in a song doesn’t mean that the people who listen to it will then be violent that’s jus stupid that’s like saying playing GTA 5 and killing ppl in it means ur gunna go kill ppl in real life

[@mrbwalkng2]

whats the song at 0:42 called

[@Nge7stars]

Ayo Ajayi 67 this side

[@thomaswilliams8184]

What’s the intro song? It bangs

[@YA-do8tz]

Aged greatly

One thing I wanna know about LDN how tf my man leek dressed like winter?

[@rusty1923]

If somebody watches a violent movie then commits a violent crime do you blame the actors? If somebody plays a violent video game then commits a violent crime do you blame the developers? Music is just another form of entertainment, people who choose to commit violent crimes after listening to this sort of music are clearly deranged in the first place.

[@user-gs1vd6ir8c]

*Just know that* Liquez cashed that Benz, no renting shit