7 Absolutely Worthless Guns

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[@mr.horseshoe2301]

Range toys may be practically useless, but they provide me with endless entertainment and stress relief, which is invaluable to me.

[@jarodsown2596]

Yes!

[@shoot4699]

Reload 30 carbine

[@bmffafo5004]

@@shoot4699 I do my 60rd drum for mine so easily.

[@ms.annthrope415]

If it floats your boat, who cares what anyone else says!

[@Vaille32]

If it gives you stress relief and entertainment, that is its purpose. There is value in that.

[@joebob1306]

Useless is a strong word. I seem to recall a few years ago that a lady in Chicago successfully stopped a home invasion with a Hi Point carbine. With the options available to me it definitely wouldn't be my first choice, but some people's options are limited and have to make do with what they've got.

[@tbone9903]

yeah, this is some pretty braindead content. hi point is going to be some people's only option. putting the m1 carbine on this list is just dumb. no one is out looking for an m1 carbine for their first gun. it's the gun your family already owns, which is worth far more than the $600 glock that you dont own yet. the glock 43 is kind of the same category. i doubt anyone has purchased a 43 since the 43x came out. at this point, it's what someone already owns and it still shoots bullets.

[@chickenheadfred]

i was thinking his beard was worthless as well..yet there it is staring ya straight in the face@@tbone9903

[@garryhinesmon5629]

He was talking about the HI-Point 30 super, not all HI-Point carbines. I've owed the 9mm and now have the 45acp carbine, love it

[@Michael-uc2pn]

@@tbone9903 I think the m1 carbine is firmly in the "collectible/historical gun" category at this point too. His only real point for it being useless was the cost and cost of ammo. By that logic a lot of guns and especially calibers are way more useless than .30 carbine. Hell even 5.56 and 300 blackout are pushing a dollar a round these days, so you're talking a few more cents per round, if you love the M1 it's worth it.

[@Ferrari255GTO]

Useless would've been more fit for what he meant but it still wouldn't be completely right since the stupidest guns are always the most fun either at the range or just to look at.

[@Vault57]

13:12 The SKS was developed during WWII and actually did see some limited use by Soviet troops towards the end of the war. So technically speaking, the SKS can be included in the collections of those who collect WWII small arms. And since it was used during the Cold War, it is suitable for those collections too.

[@mrjones4249]

I used to make very little money for a long time, and my wife and I used the SKS for home and travel. There are better modern weapons, but the SKS is accurate, uses a great round, likes cheap ammo, and can take abuse.

[@RequisiteFunction]

​@@mrjones4249the SKS used to be cheap. They were under $200. I remember when Hi Points came out, they would usually be the same price as sks. Same with mosberg 500s. They banned importstion of the sks from China in 1994. You could still get them from other locations (Chinese but not from china). They further banned the importation of foriegn military rifles during the Obama years, so the price has gone up. Idk where the newer stockpiles of SKSs are coming from, but they're way more expensive these days. I recommend viewing the SKS as collector status at this point, simply for the lack of availability that's been forced upon it.

[@homerj806]

I think you are mistaken. The sks didn't officially go into service until 1949. By then it was made obsolete by the AK 47. I think you mean the SVT which saw service but had limited production. I think the SVT 40 had over a million.

[@Vault57]

@@homerj806 From Wikipedia: "...Simonov's early 7.62x39mm models were quickly pressed into service, and saw action with troops of the 1st Belorussian Front during the final months of World War II. The SKS was still undergoing active field trials when Germany surrendered to the Allies in May 1945..." There are also other reference sources available online.

[@homerj806]

@@Vault57 Those are not production models but mainly prototypes. Prototypes are not the same as production. You can only include in a WWII collection if it is one of those early prototype models. You can't include it if it is produced during the cold war. If you can find those early non-production models then good. You have a real treasure in your WWII collection.

[@Kilo416]

I think we all know that the Desert Eagle is the most effective weapon when fighting the Mr.X tyrant or Birkin after you find it in the R.P.D

[@zzygyy]

One of the best villain b movie guns. Big and easily noticed.

[@maddhatter3564]

Only thing the DE has IRL is coolness factor.

[@tobiasrex8052]

@@zzygyy "Mr. Anderson!" "We've missed you.."

[@mrad69]

I made, Wesker reconsider his life choices many a time, when using the DE 50. Love me some DE 50 in RE5🤗

[@mrad69]

I made, Wesker reconsider his life choices many a time, when using the DE 50. Love me some DE 50 in RE5🤗

[@Provocateur3]

I learned to shoot on an M-1 Carbine, at about 9 - 10 years old. I wasn't even strong enough to clear a missfeed. Takes me back.

[@Don69420]

The desert eagle is massive, shoots an unnecessarily large round and weighs you down. But the second you shoot it you realize it's not that bad to carry a brick. It's like a adult party popper, every round makes you feel like celebrating

[@KarlKratzer-oz6cm]

That's right ✅️ 👏 I love the desert 🏜 eagle 😍 😋 ❤️ 🙌

[@KamiNoBaka1]

Just goes to show that just because something isn't practical doesn't mean it's not cool and fun.

[@mrvwbug4423]

Yup, not practical for EDC, but fun to shoot and has a niche role if you really want to hunt big game with a semi auto pistol.

[@Radbot776]

Yea Jack reacher smacked all of venezuelas special forces with a deagle and one mag and a knife lol

[@hackerx7329]

@@mrvwbug4423 And speaking of hunting and camping it is worth considering as compact option for emergency defense against something like an angry moose or a bear if you are in an area where those are a concern.

[@gailmrutland6508]

*In fairness to the Hi-Point, the gun was designed when the assault weapons ban was in place hence it's 10 round capacity, and it was meant to be the "VOLKSWAGEN" of guns to the people. Out the door for $246 with two mags. I bought it in 9mm largely to train my boys. It is remarkably accurate, it's a beast to operate and a nightmare to break down clean and reassemble. It is also nearly indestructible. The way I figured it, if my kids could get proficient in all ways with this gun, everything else would be a cake walk. I still have it, it has been through hell, and I can count the number of FTF on one hand.*

[@warrmalaski8570]

I got my hi pint for 179.

[@ryanv1145]

I got mine for $80 and it has never jammed

[@DareToBeDeviant]

It's the ten round limit which has kept me from buying one. It's not 2004 anymore in case they haven't noticed so it's a wonder why they haven't officially made their own line of extended magazines and for more calibers. If I understand right, 10mm mags are non-existent so users have to buy the .40 and bend/file down a few things.

[@leonardpiskacsr.7111]

Gotta Disagree on the Hi point Carbines...I have 2 and They Both have (45 acp and 9mm) extended 20 rd . Magazines which moots your point of being Magazine restrictive ....And i have not had a FTF or FTE with either ...I usually take Stock in your Reviews ....But in my opinion you were way off on this one!!

[@leonardpiskacsr.7111]

​@@DareToBeDeviantI have 10mm Pistol and Carbine...They have Interchangeable magazines which are 10mm Magazines don't know where you got your info but it is wrong!!

[@magnumcipher4971]

I hog hunt with a titanium finish Desert Eagle chambered in .50AE. I use the thing hard, probably 100 hunts a year in terrible conditions and it's never let me down, always functions properly and never disappoints when it comes to stopping power. I'm 6'5"-300 pounds, so it fits my hand quite well, and carries superbly albeit I had a custom leather holster made to fit both me and the pistol very nicely. It's beat all to hell from all the years in the woods, but I see it as a badge of honor. Do I recommend a Desert Eagle for everyone? Ha! No. Am I glad they had the balls to make such a ridiculous thing? Absolutely.

[@tbrowniscool]

100 hunts a year?

[@magnumcipher4971]

@@tbrowniscool wild boars are an invasive species where I live, so aside from hunting in a federal wildlife refuge, we can hunt hogs 24/7/365. It doesn't hurt that my property is in the middle of 5,000 acres of leased land that I usually hunt.

[@Treemaster16]

@@magnumcipher4971 dang can I come visit sometime lol

[@JohnSmith-gz5pm]

What city and state is that? I’ve heard of invasive hogs and seen videos of a group of guys on a truck, firing machine guns with tracers at hogs. They said there’s no shortage of them to hunt.

[@mrjones4249]

I bet at your size the weapon would look cool with a owb holster like Robocop.

[@titanx5legion527]

No gun is worthless in the apocalypse.

[@stilljustjake]

I totally agree with your assessment of the Desert Eagle; it is a dumb gun. It is big, heavy, has a mediocre trigger, a super thick grip and is more expensive to load than 460 Rowland. I have thought about selling mine many times, but then I shoot it, giggle, clean it and put it back in the safe….. I can say that the weight and gas operated system takes the bite out of 44mag. Plus, it holds two more rounds than a revolver and, unless you’re Jerry Miculek, much quicker to reload.

[@texastank]

Glock: gun go pew pew Deagle: both your target and your wrist will be destroyed

[@zacheryclark2131]

Everyone who owns guns has at least one giggle cannon, right?

[@braddouglas7839]

I'll tell you a great reason for a desert eagle. When my boy was young I had one in my nightstand. I could have the magazine loaded but chamber empty and not worry about him getting a round in the chamber. Hell, he has a problem with it still to this day.

[@KamiNoBaka1]

@@texastank Oh come on, it's not a 500 Magnum.

[@snappyaj9053]

The Taurus Judge is the same. I’ve never seen anyone shoot it and not laugh at the absurdity. It’s dumb fun.

[@MWS67]

The M1 Carbine has always been one of my favorite rifles. Have owed several over the years. Had one that was completely original, made by General Motors. Was going to have a new barrel put on it when the gunsmith informed me that what I had was very rare. Made the mistake of selling it.

[@chrisstandingbear1947]

Sadly, 7.62x39 has more than doubled in price in the last three years, so I dunno about your take on the M1 vs. the SKS now. That said, I still have my Tula SKS and love it.

[@Michael-uc2pn]

I was gonna say cheap AK ammo?Putin and Biden about to ruin this man's whole day.

[@reallyhappenings5597]

Good thing I bought 3k rounds 8 years ago. Haven't fired one. Haven't even shot my SKS a single time 😮

[@ricdandel1145]

You can still find x39 for around 30 cents per round if you buy in bulk.

[@dickjohnson7845]

The SKS rifles have more than tripled in the last 10 years. I bought an ugly Vietnam era Chinese 56 for $150 about 12 years ago. It shoots like a dream and can ping an 8" gong at 100 yards all day with iron sights. I have a nice Russian that I bough about 6 years ago for 3 times that.

[@dennishein2812]

They have a purpose. You can punch holes in paper with them or you can make steel ring and dance with them. You can even use them to make dust out of those orange clay pigeons. With so many states facing drought they can be used to destroy those nasty hard dirt clods that are so hard to bust up with your foot or shovel. So see they definitely have a purpose and,if you sit down and think awhile, you can probably come up with other purposes. Another great purpose is therapy. Only a gun owner will understand that.

[@sr-5568]

The most worthless thing anyone can do is take advice from a youtoober.

[@tomlongbeard6071]

I worked at a high volume public indoor range. We had 2 Desert Eagles in 50AE for rent . They were constantly down for repairs. They feel super solid, but the internals aren’t meant to be shot much.

[@loudfastfood2625]

Same here. My range has one too and it’s been out for repair multiple times and I doubt it even gets shot that much when it is working

[@jamesjohnson4163]

​@@loudfastfood2625and that's why the IMI's are so sought after

[@Stars-and-Stripes-]

Man I would have never thought the DE would be unreliable being built like a freaking tank and being around for a long time and multiple calibers along with the price tag, I remember when you could get one for like $650 when they first came out now it'd doubled, Go figure... It does have the freaking cool factor though with the multiple barrel options from what, .357, .44mag, .50AE and .454 casull (more powerful than the .50AE) and .440 Cor-Bon .429 DE .41 Magnum

[@CR67]

My DE50AE had some break-in issues. It's been reliable, but it doesn't get shot much anymore. What sort of problems did the high mileage units have?

[@brandoncrimmins6296]

Right because when people think of anything treated and maintained well. They think… I’M BUYING RENTAL RETURN🤣🤣😬 They’re excellent firearms and there are a lot of outdoorsmen and hunters that use them for a side arm. I love mine 🤷🏻

[@mainebigfoothunter7088]

I feel the pistol caliber carbines are a smart choice for home defense or for an urban defense situation. 5.56 and bigger rifle calibers can over penetrate or carry unsafely far into innocent territory

[@daftpanda6533]

The m1 carbine might be the outlier- the OG M1 Garand is still an awesome heritage rifle, and you can still get them through CMP. The m14 that replaced the m1 carbine is also a pretty sweet rifle.

[@beavisroadhog9629]

Sorry, but the m14 replaced the Garand rifle- not the m1carbine. The rifle and the carbine are two very different creatures. 30 cal carbine is far less powerful than 30-06.

[@daftpanda6533]

@@beavisroadhog9629 Ah for some reason I thought the m1 carbine was in the middle of the Garand and m14. Maybe I was thinking time wise, not generation wise. I know the Garand is 30-06 as we own several from CMP. Still remember the first time I got my thumb caught in one. That is why I reccomended it- it's still an available ammunition.

[@victorwaddell6530]

@@daftpanda6533 Back in the old days the US Navy contracted some M1 Garand rifles to be rechambered in 7.62 NATO rather than buy M14s . I have seen only a couple of them for sale . I was in the fleet from 1985 to 1995 and the M14 was my service rifle on two warships and in a Military Police unit . The Gunner's Mates removed the full auto switches from our rifles and kept them in the armory .

[@biosaber585]

Scorpion Evo was and kinda is available in shorter formats that were made for cqc, the longer range comes from more civilian markets, etc. It was a quick in and out gun with great fire rates designed to shred for quick response teams Derringers strike me as solid last resort guns, not a backup but a true LAST resort. New a few cops who kept their service pistol, ankle pistol and even had a small two shot Derringer hidden away too. They were NEVER a secondary they were a true last resort emergency weapon

[@xxxthwagdrakexxx4672]

Yep this guy dogging on the scorpion is an absolute dolt for it I was thinking of subscribing but the fact he didn't consider that he's just getting the watered down version of the scorpion when the real version of it is by far and beyond "useless"

[@scoutdynamics3272]

M-1 Carbine was #1 on my list for the "Mother in law gun". Functionally, it was the best weapon for her. It was light, handy, and she was able to run it easily when she could not run any 5.56. The reason I went for a .22 mag rifle for the mother in law and .40 PC carbine for the wife was a) Price of the weapon and b) Not only price of the ammo but having to support yet another caliber when the RM 22 and Ruger .40 PCC tapped into existing logistics

[@deathstrike]

Thank you!! Not many would consider the .22mag as anything but a plinker or small game round. But if budget is a consideration? It is better than no firearm, and .22 can do a LOT of damage in the right hands.

[@jimmylimmer8970]

Audie Murphy was partial to the M-1 carbine. He used it to effect as a sniper option to decimate German troops in WW2. He honed his stalking skills as a kid growing up in Texas. He was from a very poor family and hunted small game to help feed his family.. Creeping up on rabbits and such were used effectively against his adversaries later.

[@wapiti3750]

Audie Murphy only survived WW2 because he was 5' 2" tall and had a 3-inch johnson. He was a small target so the Germans couldn't hit him.

[@victorwaddell6530]

My grandpa was a US Army truck driver in the Korean War . One man drove and the other rode shotgun with an M1 carbine . The M1 carbine was designed as a PDW for non infantry personnel and fit the bill as such . During the Vietnam War the small statured South Vietnamese soldiers preferred it to most other rifles due to it's weight . Back in the 1990s I would see a lot of MILSURP 30 carbine ammo at a cheap price . Today 30 carbine ammo is nearly unobtainable .

[@gjvstrom]

My dad a Vietnam vet said the m1 didn’t keep them down. Thomson or single shot grenade launcher loaded with ball bearings were his jeep guns.

[@Delatta1961]

I have an IBM M-1A Carbine and I love it. Yes, ammo is expensive, but having a piece of history is worth it.

[@anonymousm9113]

Thanks to my post-retirement job as a Gun Vault Specialist, I've gotten both an M1 Carbine and an SKS Sporter. The M1 Carbine has a '60s-era Owens stock and the SKS is the "Paratrooper" model that takes AK mags. Checked two more off of my list. I've had a number of SKS' over the years, including another "Paratrooper", but was down to only my M59/66.

[@chasevanscoter1354]

and if you ever use that m1 carbine to defend yourself you will actually get less prison time than someone who uses an AR-15 due to the public viewing one as "scary" and the other as a "hunting rifle" even though the m1 shoots a more potentially lethal load than 5.56 with a similar rate of fire.

[@anonymousm9113]

@@chasevanscoter1354 True, the AR-15 is a scary black "plastic assault weapon", while the M1 Carbine looks just like grandpappy's hunting rifle to many people who don't know about guns but still wish for gun control.

[@PlatinumKrown]

The biggest problem with the cz scorpion carbine is also my favorite part, the 16" barrel makes it a rifle which means no legal hoops to jump through and you get a real stock. Frankly, I would prefer these PCC's to be short like the SMG's they are based on, but I hate braces and don't want to get caught up in the constantly iffy legality of it. But as a low recoil range toy, they and other PCC type guns are pretty great, I just ordered the vector in the 16" package.

[@FrankNOgre]

That AR Style shotgun you have looks like a Typhoon F12. I had a Typhoon XII aka X12. Mine never ran reliably, always jammed, and had to order replacement parts many many times. I sold it and bought a Mossberg 88 and actually enjoyed it instead of worrying how I was going unjam it or carry a hammer with me at the range to unjam it

[@anderson6606]

I have a Tristar krx that has been one hundred percent liable even shooting low brass bird shot. I've shoot 400+ rounds through it in the time I've had it and haven't had any issues at all. Of course, 400 rounds isn't really long-term extensive test. But I've seen more expensive guns perform worse. A lot of people do not like the flood of Turkish semi-automatic shotguns, especially the mag fed ones. I've seen and watched reviews of many that don't work great but if you have one that works reliably I think it could be a good option.

[@donaldpalmer9162]

Drum magazines are unreliable, use the proper mag and your good to go . Hundreds of rounds through my escort not a glitch .

[@americathebeautiful3883]

@@donaldpalmer9162Yeah. Those drums are absolute crap. I never have issues with my 5 shot mags

[@marvinhagler4721]

Every gun has a purpose in the right or wrong hands

[@gregorypatzelt6964]

I somewhat disagree with your statement about PCCs. I think they're perfect for cqb scenarios/home defense in most applications. A rifle is too much and a PCC can typically be shot more accurately than a pistol.

[@kevinyeager9023]

I feel like they need to do more pcc's in .45 and 10 mil. 9 mil doesn't make sense to have a rifle sized firearm in 9

[@paulfrancois7653]

So many people overlook the accuracy advantage of PCCs vs handguns. Also indoor ranges allow you to shoot the PCC. If someone can't train on a platform, it's not much use to them.

[@dreadedddd1008]

I bought a Remington 870 Tactical in December of 2019, right before the pandemic. I paid roughly $450 out the door here in California. In 2020 with everyone buying guns, that shotgun went up at least $100 or more

[@joaopedrobaggio4475]

Is still legal to buy guns in Califórnia?

[@turbochad7038]

@@joaopedrobaggio4475 no, go to jail

[@garyK.45ACP]

Inflation ate that increase. You couldn't _replace_ the gun for $550 today. Never be fooled by the appearance of increased "value." I In 2022 alone we had 8+% inflation. That's $38 of the increase in just that year. Add another $17.60 for the inflation rate in 2023. That's not even counting the rate in 2020 and 2021.

[@DARIVSARCHITECTVS]

I have had ZERO issues with the RIA Derya AR style VR-60 auto shotgun. One advantage of an auto shotgun is that you can switch mags a bit faster than topping off a pump action.

[@cpierce1253]

Totally agree. My RIA vr60 is rock solid and awesome, especially with the 20-round drum mag, tactical light with grip mounted pressure switch, foregrip, and bandolier sling. My go-to for home defense!

[@BULLDOG1891]

Same here. I have the 60 and bp100. Zero issues with 5 and 9 round mags using bird, buck and slug.

[@korvenkuningas1016]

Same here, I've had my VR60 for 4 or 5 years now and is incredible. It eats anything you feed it, high or low brass, all day long. I have a Benelli cylinder choke tube in mine so steel shot can run through it, and I've had great success with accurately shooting 2 3/4" slugs at 200 yards. I'd try further but that's as far as my range has. Another thing you guys here might not know, the Panzer Arms 10 rd mags also work with the VRs and are cheaper than the 9 rd made or marketed for RIA.

[@JoshJohnson-em8fu]

Some of these might be "purpose-less", either due to their premise, or to new innovations since their debuts, but the fact that a lot of folks who own and shoot them get happiness out of it, is, to me, about the most 'worth' anything can have in the world we're living in today.

[@RusskiBlusski]

yeah I wouldn't use a word like "worthless" to describe them. "Pointless" would be more accurate. Worthless implies there is no reason for it to exist, Pointless more implies there are better options out there you should go for, but doesn't remove the value it might have.

[@connor3284]

Yeah, people still hunt with crossbows and black powder and some people still collect swords and battle axes. Some things are just cool for civilians to collect and use for fun, even if they are obsolete in a modern warfare environment.

[@jayboogie7956]

But here's the problem with pump action shotguns..... If you are hit (shot), in one of your arms, you are assed out! At least with semi shotguns, you can get back on target and keep firing.

[@Atyrsvc1]

I appreciate your support of nine line apparel. I work there. I work 2nd shift screen print. It's nice to see our stuff out and about with people that are gun enthusiasts. We'll keep making them you keep buying them.

[@treeguyable]

Love my Hipoint 9 mm carbine. Clunky, not so precision feeling. Shoots accurate, dependable. Even the red ball 25 rd mag, feeds great. Hipoint factory support, is great.

[@KamiNoBaka1]

This is the second time I've ever seen anyone say anything good about anything made by Hi-Point.

[@leonardpiskacsr.7111]

​@@KamiNoBaka1 I will be the 3rd....I have 3 in 9mm 10mm and 45acp...0 issues non they run Flawlessly ....Glad i have them in my collection!😊

[@CarolinaRimfire]

I bought a charter Arms undercover 38 earlier this year. It's over 40 years old, in terrible condition, and only holds 5 shots. Its entire purpose is sentimental. It reminds me of my grandpa's charter 38, and while I could possibly carry it, I never will. Worthless? According to the pawn shop I found it in, just about! But I'm happy I own it.

[@maddhatter3564]

as with any list , his is personal preference. I enjoyed the vid but dont agree with all his valuations.

[@kelleymanning1137]

Anything made by Highpoint is useless. The Desert Eagle is used by certain militaries to stop cars with. The U.S. military complained about the M1 carbine because the 30 caliber round didnt penetrate winter clothing well enough.

[@dwc4343]

Nuts. Nothing wrong with an M1 Carbine. And all gloks are worthless. That's one I can agree on. I have a Rock Island Armory AR type 12ga shotgun and there's nothing wrong with it. The older Hi Point Carbines are great guns. That one you showed is not too short, the stock is actually too long. I took all the springs out of the stock and collapsed the butt of the stock till it was flush and tightened all the screws back up. Made it about an inch shorter in length of pull. Works great for me now. I have two of the old style in 9mm which is a weak cartridge, but I also have one in .40 s and w. It's not bad, but it's not as good as the HP Carbine in .45. That's the one you want. And you can get 25 rd extended mags that you can't tell is not part of the gun too.

[@michaelhoffman5201]

On the M1 carbine, a friend of my dad used one durring WW2 and he bardered a looted case of whiskey for a Thompson and then put the barrel of the carbine into a tree fork bent it into a u shape and turned it in. The Thompson went on to save his life as often as the M1 risked it. According to him the stopping power and reliability wasn't even close.

[@insertname3977]

Sounds more like he was trying to use it as a full sized rifle, than what it actually was suppose to be used for.

[@michaelhoffman5201]

@@insertname3977 He was trying to use it as a short range defense weapon against German soldiers. They were issued to rear echelon troops, tank and truck drivers. He found it low in power relatively slow in follow up and lacking the authority of the Thompson. Which weighted more than an M1. But less than a BAR.

[@insertname3977]

@michaelhoffman5201 Which is weird given that the .30 used in the m1 carbine is a more powerful round than the .45 acp used in the Thompson, is easier to control than the notorious ergonomics and handling of the Thompson, and is more reliable in general as well given that the Thompson is an overly complicated submachine gun than the m3 (grease gun) that replaced it.

[@michaelhoffman5201]

@@insertname3977 The energy difference in foot pounds is 923 for the M1 vs 550 for the Thompson. However the Taylor knock out factor for bullets is, weight in grains times cross section in inches times speed in feet per second divided by 7000 is close to equal. With the M1 at 12.5 and the Thompson at 14 puts the Thompson ahead. For comparison a 22 comes in at 1.3 the 9mm at 7 a 45acp from a pistol 12 the 44 mag comes in at a 20 and the 454 cashull at 30.

[@timd729]

​@@michaelhoffman5201You're saying that 45acp is stronger than 30 carbine out of a long barrel?

[@MalleusSemperVictor]

Well, he didn't mention the Magnum Research BFR 45-70 revolver. This clearly means it has a purpose.

[@apocalyption5490]

I'd say it'd be very useful for hunting. Especially when it has an optic.

[@jameshunter7172]

What are your thoughts on the DP12 from Standard Manufacturing?

[@brooksmorelock5545]

Having owned a desert eagle with 44mag and 50ae I agree that it’s a fun gun to shoot but expensive in maintenance as well as ammo. In addition the ejection sends the brass straight up and the brass hit me in the middle of the forehead more than once. Nice trigger but the grip is difficult to gain good purchase. This is why I am a former owner and agree with your assessment. Great content

[@broncobra]

Had a buddy that bought one back in the '80s. Fun to shoot, but back then ammo was 1 buck a round. Pricey. We went to the range, and after a few shots he was bleeding from the ejected rounds hitting his forehead.

[@8bitesquivel349]

Sipping my coffee while watching this. Early upload lol

[@williamkowalchik572]

I can't imagine a defensive shooting at 100 +yard's.

[@Xxpoo]

Great review. I’ve had some of these guns and happily sold them years ago

[@protoman1214]

I think derringers made way more sense before the advent of micro compact semi autos. Now they are just a novelty

[@mudbug535]

The High Point 40 caliber carbine is extremely accurate and extremely reliable. It is heavy, but one of my favorites.

[@abc4781]

Definitely an awesome gun, especially for the money

[@gospyro]

Definitely agree about the DE. I have one and love it, but it’s heavy, expensive to shoot, and very finicky. It’s one of the very last guns I’d grab if I needed to defend myself. I also agree that the F12 Typhoon, which I also have but do not love, was a waste of money. (Also have an M1, and LOVE it, but rarely shoot it because the ammo is expensive and a little hard to find)

[@codemang3635]

I use a load from Parrabellum Research for my 50. I have never had a cycle error since. If you're using Hornady off the shelf, that would explain your issues. Its high price garbage.

[@RangeIsHott]

Do you find that the Kris’s vector is more practical than a scorpion.excluding caliber differences. And why

[@MRsolidcolor]

its simple want a hand gun BUY a hand gun want a rifle BUY a rifle. since we do not have full auto yet. i do not see the need in a PCC. the rounds carry just as much as AR rounds do though walls... stop trying to be clever and get what fully works. AR long barrel short barrel..

[@deucedeuce1572]

We have full auto. People just Choose to not own them. It is only by their own Free Will and cowardice that they do not. In the end though, to obey an unjust "law" is to enforce an unjust "law" is to Create an unjust "law" is to deserve an unjust "law". It is a tyranny that people only enforce on themselves, and for that they deserve it. If/when everyone decides to grow a pair of balls, there is NOTHING they can do about it. People are so disgustingly cowardly though they even obey "laws" that don't even exist (because there is no such thing as "unconstitutional law" and we KNOW that. If a law is unjust or unconstitutional, then it has no legal power or authority and we are under no obligation to obey it. It is no law at all. They can point fingers all they want, as if someone else is responsible, but it is nothing more than a tyranny that they enforce on themselves. They are slaves to cowardice. As the Founding Fathers were so very clear about, there is only two options... Bravery or slavery.

[@wheelguns4wheelmen802]

Exactly; the Kriss Vector and similar guns only makes sense in full auto with a short barrel.

[@theplinkerslodge6361]

A great, practical vid. It wasn't about garbage non-functional designs (except for the AR style shotguns) but "What are you going to do with the gun you buy." I am still in the market for an IBM M1 Carbine since I am an "IBM baby," my father worked his entire life for IBM. He was a top machinist and mechanical design tech, got my admiration for the mechanical beauty of firearms from him.

[@dr.burtgummerfan439]

I knew a guy who was a retired Postal Worker and had served in Viet Nam. He wanted to get a National Postal Meter M1 carbine but didn't want to pay the money.🤣

[@anderson6606]

North american arms technically are not derringers. Derringers by definition are non repeating and a pistol that is neither a revolver or a semi automatic. If they do fire multiple shots. It's from multiple barrels. There's a common misconception that any tiny small concealable gun is considered a derringer. You're not the first person i've seen say this don't take it personally it's just a little constructive criticism.

[@78250windu78250]

What are your thoughts on the AK style shotgun from JTS ??

[@bobailanjian3700]

Never understood the mag fed AR style shotgun. The very first thing I was taught, after basic functions was if in trouble, feed a shotgun every chance you get, due to mag limitations. You can't "top off" an AR shotgun without changing mags, and then you have to remember which mags still have 1 or 2 rounds in them. Nah.

[@Lowlightt]

So every other gun?

[@timd729]

Keep a bandolier of shells and top the mags off. In my opinion the AR shotguns, if they function reliably, way faster than tube fed.

[@richwhippersnapper]

I think "impractical" might be a better word to describe those guns. I have to disagree on the CZ Scorpion carbine. It could serve as an excellent home defense gun where you don't want the loud muzzle blast of an AR15 or penetration through walls. I got the 16in carbine because I didn't want to hassle with NFA. A 500 S&W Magnum is totally impractical unless you are hunting big dangerous game in Africa. I also have a BFR! I do think the FN SCAR is a big waste of money. $4000!!!

[@ryanpeck3377]

Actually 9mm has more penetration than 5.56 especially if you use 55gr ammo.... the light 5.56 rounds tend to yaw and break apart after hitting barriers (and people) were th smaller denser 9mm rounds tend to just keep on going. However PCC are greatfor smaller stature and older people... and muzzle blast will be less... i do recommend getting a suppressor for either option if youcan afford it and its legal in your state

[@thenewguy9559]

What really got me was how he compares a rifle length CZ against a pistol Kriss-V and complains about all the things that make it rifle length. You can get a pistol CZ that's compact and with a folding brace that he says makes the vector better, also at roughly half the cost. The vector shines in full auto, I mean, it's literally designed to mitigate muzzle climb in full auto but thats not what he has. I feel like he got that one completely backward.

[@richwhippersnapper]

The Kriss Vector is a very unique design, but too expensive like the FN SCAR. The CZ Scorpion accomplishes the same goal for a much more reasonable price.

[@OasisTypeZaku]

IMI: "We made the BIGGEST handgun in the world!" Smith & Wesson: "Hold my Beer."

[@karlsmith945]

Your sense of worth and mine are way different. I would be thankful for any of those

[@scottysgarage4393]

Carried a Desert Eagle off and on for the past 30+ years as well as hunted with them, Your opinion is worth exactly what we paid for it.

[@snakemanmike]

The Hi Point .45 ACP carbine is an excellent weapon for home defense. Not only is it reliable, accurate, and with great stopping power, the .45 round fired from a 16 inch barrel is so quiet that you don't need hearing protection.

[@leonardpiskacsr.7111]

Plus 20,round Mags. AVAILABLE glad i own mine!😊

[@mrweeby1961]

I consider worthless as a gun that functions poorly and is unreliable. If it runs well, is dependable and you like it then it has worth.

[@outdoorslifesurvivecraft5078]

I have one that only has one purpose and if it wasn't for that, I don't know if I would have ever bought it. My Kel Tec 2000 in .40 S&W. I'm a local route truck driver and I can be out as far as 200 miles from home on any given day. I wanted a rifle that would fit in my get home bag, so I went with the Kel Tec. All I can say is, it's better than nothing and no one knows I have it. Plus, if I have to walk, I'm not walking down the road with it in my hand.

[@kevbiker3982]

I have a hi point 45 carbine. It’s awesome. By that I mean it’s accurate, always fires and is not too large for home defense or SHTF also. As for the trigger, if you are made of crepe paper and have no strength, well then, you should own BB guns only.

[@donaldpalmer9162]

Also wrong about pistol grips ,this is even legal in Massachusetts because if the grip houses the magazine its OK in most anti gun states . That why the 10 round limit

[@mudbug535]

I have a Highpoint carbine 40 caliber I love it it is very accurate and extremely reliable. I wish it wasn’t so heavy but still my favorite.

[@williamantico7768]

As a Firearm Instructor myself I agree with 99% of what you said. My only altering advice would be the Glock 27. The 40 S&W is a much better defensive round that the 9mm and the 27 only has 1 less round than the 26. Always carry the Strongest round you can shoot accurately. So if 9mm is your strongest round , then go ahead and carry that. But for anyone who can handle a 40, than get a 40. That's my advice.

[@GrumpyNCO]

Or be a real man and use 10mm.

[@foggymountainman9138]

I agree🤝

[@demetriuscooksey7147]

I shoot a Glock 23 and it is quite manageable. But I've shot a 27, and it's just small enough to make it feel like double the recoil of the 23 with the same ammo for some reason.

[@blackdogproductions2044]

1995 ammo BS over here. Knock down power of the ,45 with capacity of the 9mm.........hahaha ,

[@demetriuscooksey7147]

@blackdogproductions2044 well, to be fair, it wasn't bs at the time. It was the #1 cartridge issued to local and federal LE, shortly after its intro in 1990. It was also the first and only semi-auto cartridge to surpass the venerable 357 Magnum in one shot stops according to info gathered during a nationwide study of police shootings. But as bullet (and propellant) technology improved into the 2000s, the gap between cartridges in one shot stop ratios reduced significantly, minimizing the once appreciable performance advantages of the 40.

[@Joeworsham46]

HiPoint 995 in 9mm has a Red Ball mag that hold 20 rds. The Red Ball mag is even sold by HiPoint order site. I have owned two of these. I took it to range and shot against my AK 47 rifle at 100 yds and less. The Hi Point consistently shot tighter groups, no jams. There is a KZbin video of a young mother shooting out against three armed thugs, in her home. Two ran out the back door and jumped a fence but the third guy ran back in with a 9mm in hand. Shots were fired he ran back out into the back yard again and dropped dead with bullets in his chest. This woman used the HiPoint first time to win this shootout. Like dogs in a fight, the ugly dog can win too.

[@DogWalkerBill]

During WWII, my Father preferred an M-1 Carbine to the rifle. 14 semi-automatic shots. Easy to maneuver in the jungle.

[@2dthoughts]

Have you tried any AK style shotguns?

[@joeatunderground8714]

30 carbine is cool.

[@AsianKillrVN2]

All the cons of not to carry the Desert Eagle, just makes me want to carry it ever more out of spite :)

[@sway671]

Really wanted to hear those guns sing, love the videos keep em coming.

[@TheBeer4me]

I used a 44 mag carbine on a bear hunt in Canada loved how light and the length was perfect in the woods the rounds were shaglocks don’t think they make them anymore. Good video!

[@rogerfrost5521]

My 9mm HiPoint carbine has fired over 3000 rounds without one hick-up, it's cheap to shoot and with a 6 power scope accurate to 75 yards. Yes it has a funky trigger and yes it is a little clumsy feeling but the fun factor out weighs those things.

[@KamiNoBaka1]

That's the first time I've ever seen anyone say anything good about anything made my Hi-Point.

[@leonardpiskacsr.7111]

​@@KamiNoBaka1Then this will be the Second I own 2 Carbines and 3 pistols in my collection amongst Smiths ,Rugers,and Glocks ,...My Hi Points solid guns 0 issues all are Keepers!!😊

[@dhc4186]

Great list, especially in reference to the mini-revolver/derringer; I'm sometimes tempted to buy one, but they are in fact pretty worthless!

[@x.adam1]

I agree. Cool but useless for me. Bring them down to under $220 and I might get it for giggles.

[@maddhatter3564]

@@x.adam1 i find them a good back up but you are right, price doesnt justify in most cases.

[@stripedassape8148]

Yeah they are neat but a poor option as a backup, I would argue having a spare mag and a knife instead.✌

[@DankasorusRex]

I have a little 22mag I got for $250 that fits in a belt buckle. Fun talking piece. Also fits into the fifth pocket of my jeans and in the inner pocket of my bathing suit. Load it with rat shot when I’m at the lake for snakes. Hollow points otherwise. Not ideal but if you can’t conceal something larger wherever you are then it beats nothing.

[@tattedandgatted]

I have a RIA "AR12" and it runs great. Haven't tried the drum mag I got during "freedom week" here in IL.

[@codemang3635]

I conceal carry my deagle. But I'm a tall 220 lb man with big hands. Some people have what it takes, most don't. I will say that it is extremely accurate and 100% reliable with the loads I use.

[@JohnPublic-dk7zd]

We own a couple of these brands, a High Point carbine and a NAA...the carbine is chambered in 9mm (the 10mm might be best, but we went with cheaper ammo cost), a fun, reliable range toy, and could be utilized for HD if need be...our NAA is the tiny .22lr model, fun to shoot, and very, very rarely carried...consider that little gun ON us outguns every person who left their gun in the car, or house...any gun that is reliably operational is a good gun...do not get hung up on caliber, capacity, or anything else...if the gun works, it is a good gun, period...

[@modus_operandi2508]

Agreed 🤝

[@djYuz]

The real problem with PCCs for me is that the affordable ones run off straight blowback. So unlike a pistol with short-recoil operation, the brass out of a cheap PCC doesn't seem to expand to seal the chamber and comes out covered in carbon and the action runs dirty. And you don't get much benefit from running the longer barrel other than less noise. I'm often surprised at what a weird recoil impulse they have due to the blowback operation.

[@tyler1768]

Longer barrel more muzzle velocity Long shots easier with stock and easy to attach optics

[@tyler1768]

Imagine one in 10 mm with the increased muzzle velocity

[@shaynelhta]

The recoil impulse kills them for me. I just can't do it.

[@bower31]

Muzzle velocity and the ease of shooting goes a long way for practicality

[@duncanomalley5370]

Actually I believe hi-point has compliant versions by putting that paddle thing on the grip. It’s bolted on. I’ve seen them in stores.

[@matthews8374]

I beg to differ: My RIA VR80 Stormtrooper is an AR pattern 12 gauge shotgun and I have found it to be extremely reliable with any of the 5-, 9-, or 19-round magazines I have - with shot or slugs. And a total HOOT TO SHOOT!

[@dwc4343]

I have the VR60 and it never fails to fire.

[@jeffreylocke8808]

Bond Arms derringers are cool as you can buy one frame with the full size and just pay for the barrels to fit the frame. The Snake Slayer is a good snake eliminator.

[@marcvanhorn5660]

I bought a complete g43 frame (no slide) to go with my 43x. It makes for a nice and light summer carry option. The z9 shield mags with 9 are perfect for my body size. 43x slide has two sets of serrations, unlike the 43

[@harvyt257]

Did you upgrade your mag release to metal?

[@marcvanhorn5660]

@@harvyt257 yep, no issues (the metal mag release will shred glock brand mags though btw)

[@BigDogDaddyD]

Enjoyed the video. I agreed with every gun you showed except the AR shotgun. Bought a Citadel Boss 25 a year ago. First thing I did was break it down, scrubbed it with dishwashing soap, and then alcohol. Then put automotive wheel bearing grease on every moving part. And just before firing, I sprayed it wet with Rem Oil, and kept it wet for the first 400 rounds. For the light and heavy buffer weights that came with it, I fired 200 rounds through each. I used different round types and powers. Had a few feed problems initially with both weights. But by the time I had 200 rounds through each buffer weight, it fired flawlessly. At the end of the initial break-in test, I broke it down again and scrubbed it clean. Now I just use a regular coating of Rem oil from time to time, and she shoots great. I especially agree with you on the M-1 carbine. I own one. I love the action, but dislike the caliber. I also own an M1 Garand, an M1A, a Mini-14, and a Mini 30. Keep the great videos coming. Appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experiences.

[@joshuasitzema9920]

I disagree with the Hi point. For what it is, a decently priced and reliable carbine, it's pretty good when you can't buy the high end stuff for a while. About the only thing I have better than it (more expensive)is my CZ .22 Mag and my Rock Island Armory 1911. Have a ton of .22 and was passed down to me, and the other... well it looks good, is solid, and makes my gun guy happy af when he gets to shoot it lol

[@emberfist8347]

I disagree with the CZ as I feel it more useful than the Vektor.

[@joshuasitzema9920]

@@emberfist8347 context is needed for it I suppose. It's a training bolt action from Czechs, the design going back to WW2. Don't know what model this one is but it's really good. However, I'd take the Vector and the larger magazine count for CQC than a bolt action any day

[@hibs5516]

For a PCC the Ruger LC charger is the platform I was looking at. Because I can put the LC carbine hand guard and a 5 inch suppressor on and it's kinda like a budget integral suppressor setup. With optics, fore grip and a folding stock its just over 6lbs, takes the same magazine as the Ruger 5.7 pistol. About 26" total length.

[@aaronspratt267]

Excellent video! Agree with all your points, especially your comments about larger PCCs with no clear advantage over a rifle and the poor choice of using a derringer compared to more capable micro compact.

[@wapiti3750]

Thanks for pissing off all the gun owners in the world! Well done.

[@jeanettewest]

Regarding your comments on the DE. I own two, a .44 and .50. I'm only 5' 7" and 150 pounds, I have normal hand size for a woman, but these don't bother me to carry in a Diamond D chest holster with a cover flap and mag carrier when out snowmachining or on the tundra. Everyone is so tacticool these days they want .44 mag power out of compact, high-cap pistols that'll fit in the pocket, and anything over 28 ounces is too heavy. Average U.S. soldier in WWI was 5' 6" weighed 144 pounds, in WWII 5' 8" and still 144 pounds. They got the job done carrying .45's and real rifles weighing ten pounds. Might need some time to consider that.

[@user-nu8be1rq2p]

I love my M1 Carbine. But wow...with the Korean 30 rounders, I usually get 3 stove pipes before empty. 15 rounders (including aftermarket) I can't remember any issues. Finding surplus ammo doesn't really have a price benefit any more. One of my favorites for the range, probably not a brilliant idea to carry one in Fallujah.

[@paulparadis66]

30 super carry. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 A worthless, round for gay guys with man buns, purses, and fanny packs.

[@prodextron]

I have two Desert Eagles. One in 357 Mag and 44 Mag. I did use the 357 Mag as an EDC in the winter one year, and the pistol was pulling my pants down. From a carry standpoint, yeah... no. When I take them to the range, it's always a good time

[@bigblack82]

What was the revolver you were showing?

[@Hawtload]

speaking of the regular P365.. with the magguts mag extension, you can get 13 rounds total in a gun that's smaller and thinner than any glock on the market, and if you want a thicker grip, you have plenty of options from polymer to aluminum with G10 side panels.

[@keesgroup8977]

Good evening, what are thoughts on the S&W 500 Magnum?

[@FasterBastard1]

Taurus judge should’ve been on this list. They’re hard to live with

[@CarbonGlassMan]

I carried a Cobra 22 magnum derrenger or an NAA 22 mag revolver at a job where I wasn't sure if I was allowed to have a gun at work or not. There is no better deep concealment gun than the NAA 22mag revolver.

[@swetsawdust]

Wife and I both carry NAA 22 mags when doing craft shows where guns are frowned upon by customers but are comforting when carrying days proceeds out to vehicle in dark, lonely parking lots at night after shows. You are right there is no better gun for deep concealment at times like that.

[@x.adam1]

I have the Panzar AR Twelve and it runs reliably with birdshot, slugs, and buckshot. I only used the OEM mags.

[@shadowentity2034]

Break barrel deer rifles, bolt action shotguns & the 2mm pin fire have entered the chat

[@kilowhiskyforge4337]

There a poor M1 carbine in 9mm on my local hardware store shelf, I'm quite sad now cuz you've brought up very very good points

[@NDZ-jf8ur]

The 50AE won't seem so worthless when Jurassic Park becomes reality and you got a T-Rex in your backyard.

[@andrewgates8158]

M1 carbine is a sleeper. Put it on the borderline of your list.

[@americansuperdad5769]

If my grandfather and "Jumpin'" Jim Gavin both thought that the M1 Carbine is poop, then you have 2 reputable gentlemen who can back you up, sir.

[@markchidester6239]

Great video. Mossberg 500 field and home combo. Has a turkey barrel with the normal stock. Also comes with a short barrel (20 inch?) and a pistol grip.

[@bobcole612]

Rockola Jukebox Company even made the M1 Carbine. In 1993 a gunshop in Dallas had barrels of M1s still packed in cosmoline, $169 each, and SKSs for $69 each. I didn’t buy one then (yeah, I was an idiot).

[@Davo996]

Really practical information. I agree with your assessments. Can you do a price comparison of the rounds you are mentioning. Nothing worse than a gun that’s difficult or too expensive to use.

[@briangreen9262]

Appreciate your input, I've purchased your LEO before and will buy more.