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[@lanceroberthough1275]

Who is that and why is he speaking?

[@lanceroberthough1275]

They are saying what they like and why but not really justifying why theirs is "better" I say that with no investment in 7mm PRC.

[@letsmove1559]

280 Rem 3006 brass

[@luchacefox259]

.264 Win Mag > Everything 😅

[@sylviajones3355]

I'd drink a beer with the 7mm-08 guy.

[@opencountryhunter]

The gun does the job every time... I love it!

[@jaywiebe7612]

I'm currently working on a deal with a guy who wants to sell me his 7-08 so he can buy a 7PRC. I think I win. I'll also keep my 300 wm for elk. I don't know why people think moose die hard. They're much easier to kill than elk

[@kencleg7721]

7 mm08 for most practical hunting If 350 yard plus is the game I like my 6.5 x06 130/140 s matches 6.5 prc. Iam on my 4 th barrel 30 years 90 grain to 160. Elk black bears lots of deer. I built it for couse deer hunting and pronghorn in New Mexico 400 pretty typical 120 s 130 s did most the work there

[@kencleg7721]

My 7 mm08 built I did in 1:10 it likes 120 s a full load of varget and 120 Barnes ttsx hammers elk 325 been my longest 130 accubonds work also

[@kencleg7721]

Both rifles shoot .385 on average at 100. 4.86 at 1000 yards 6.5 x06 hands down w out shoot any .270 I’ve had 2 built 1

[@thehardieway]

Where's the 7 mm Remington mag? Same ballistics with reloads. way more ammo available, way more guns chambered, cheaper to shoot, flatter shooting long range compared to 300 win. Proven long term staying power. How is this not on the list? 🤔

[@biggs8729]

I like the guy and his 6.8 western. Easy he says. My 6.8 shoots neck and neck with my buddy’s Havock Element 7PRC, same weight bullets at the same velocity with less powder in a short action cartridge. Keeping in mind that Hornady is inflating their numbers. Nobody is getting 3000 fps from factory ammo.

[@user-ex2st3yw6o]

I have a 7 PRC 24" barrel getting 2870-ish with the factory ELD-X The 6.8Western is a more efficient cartridge just suffers from poor marketing

[@lz3572]

Marketing Marketing Marketing!!! It’s about Prophets.

[@fjalics]

What if 6.8 x 51 or .277 furry becomes cheaper and more popular due to the military buying it, and you can get really good performance out of a 16 or 18 inch barrel because of the 80,000psi, and can load high BC bullets. The M7 has a 13 inch barrel. Of course those are as rare as hens teeth, but military ammo often becomes popular. Obviously, if the military doesn't proceed with it, then I take it all back.

[@DanHickman1996]

270 wsm, nosler. 3100fps.

[@rocksummit3375]

Hornady changed their gunpowder to less quality recently but the numbers are there if you use Federals 7mm PRC

[@robertjimenez1611]

Need more manufacturers getting on board with the 6.8 western

[@Tyanmax99]

Yes sir!

[@zach3305]

I dont see it happening

[@42N8_1]

It is a dead cartridge.

[@RepublicofTX]

Lmao, good luck. Go ahead and write a eulogy for that cartridge.

[@johngregware9073]

dead in the water

[@gerry6.8]

6.8 Western for me. If you use the 165 gr ABLR load it comes closer to the 7 PRC than the 175 gr load in your comparison.

[@kfinlay70rr]

With the right loads and 26" barrel my 6.8 is just over 3000 fps with 165gr. hard to argue its capabilities. especially out of a short mag

[@RepublicofTX]

Totally! If I load it hot as fuck and shoot it out of a 32” barrel I can almost touch the 7prc.

[@gerry6.8]

@@RepublicofTX Who cares?

[@RepublicofTX]

@@gerry6.8 what a stupid question. Obviously you do, since you wrote how an already dead cartridge can almost match a 7prc. Well no shit an already close cartridge can be messed with to almost match or match the performance of that said other cartridge.

[@xengyang6552]

@@Lucysdad66no it can’t. You’re either compress or hitting pressure early. 270wsm and 7wsm are not meant to shoot heavies. That’s why they’re dying.

[@Yetified_Mayhem]

Watching guntube, every white tail hunter probably thinks u need a 300 prc/rum for hunting here in Idaho. It's nice, real nice. But your 308 is just fine in most cases.

[@josephpeterson7109]

The first guys rifle is not legal in ID where 14lbs is as heavy as a rifle can be.

[@williamgaines9784]

@@josephpeterson7109 was that limit placed by the pack mule lobby? Why is the weight of the rifle even a consideration? I can see some MINIMUM diameter and muzzle energy restrictions, but not the weight of the tool.

[@42N8_1]

I live here in Idaho it is a ridiculous rule probably set back in the 1950s to prevent people from using Artillery or tanks to kill game.

[@keithprinn720]

a 243 for most situations and creeds. 270 too and 7 rem mag overkill for whitetails.

[@jaydunbar7538]

⁠@@keithprinn720depends on the range, but yes at the ranges most of us are killing whitetails in the woods a good sharp stick is adequate. I like the 270 for open fields, not because the 243 won’t work I just like the extra penetration in case the shot isn’t a perfect broadside at longer ranges. Before someone comes in with the “but over penetration”, it’s not an issue if you have to worry about the bullet hitting what’s behind the deer you shouldn’t be pulling that trigger regardless of what cartridge your using. That’s a benefit of stand hunting, at an elevated position the earth is your backstop.

[@strat1080]

I agree with the guy that chose 300 Win Mag. It’s just so much more practical than a 7PRC. I’ve just never been a fan of the big 7mm Mags (28 Nosler, 7 STW, and now 7 PRC). To me, once you’re dealing with that level of recoil you might as well be running a bigger bore diameter. I think the 280 and 7mm RM are just about right. Anything more and I simply prefer a 300 WM. I don’t believe in taking shots past 600 yards. The 7 PRC is a very specialized tool specifically for very long range hunting. I think something like the 300 Win Mag has a more practical application. For example with high bc loadings in the 190-200 gr range at a pretty healthy velocity the 300 WM really gets out there and bucks the wind good and can handily take down large game. At closer ranges it’s quite a thumper with something like a 220 gr Partition for big bears. I just think running a 7mm bore with that level of recoil is just silly.

[@grantcallegari]

I totally agree with you on the 280ai. It’s a perfectly balanced cartridge and shoots great when push to almost max pressure when reloading. I have a re-chambered 7mm-08 Tikka T3x in 280ai and it shoots lights out, doesn’t burn crazy powder, 6 in the Mountain Tac mag and totally manageable recoil…plus best in class BC bullets of 7mm caliber.

[@michaelnelson1911]

My two favorite cartridges are the 270 win and the 7 Rem mag. I can shot 1/2 MOA with the 7 mag and I don’t have to go buy a new gun. Those two cartridges have never failed me and it is hard to argue with success. One of the top reasons would be that the ammo is cheaper and it is always available. Great video. Thanks for sharing.

[@lz3572]

7rem mag with a 160 Swift Aframe or Nosler partition Perfect for North America.!! Big game hunting

[@Kelly-oq9nh]

Grandpa was a guide in Montana for 50 years and used a 243. His nephews and grandkids used 243. Deer, elk, everything.

[@wyattgable13]

Idk if I would put a million dollars on the Elk part love the 243 but Elk is pretty big for for a 103 grain

[@jw3946]

6.8 Western!!!!!! Yes!!!!!

[@ringofasho7721]

I've got 36 rifles and the max long range 6.8 western is by FAR my most accurate. It's a true 3/8 MOA with the ballistic silvertips. Maybe I got a freaky well manufactured rifle, but it outperforms all my other rifles.

[@hikenmikes8262]

I must really be an old bastard, because I still think of the 300RUM as a new cartridge 😏😜

[@ingelri2]

I am surprised nobody picked the venerable 7mm Rem Mag.

[@aidenmornay]

I have used 270 win for everything,one shot kills, very accurate,my go to calibre,even water buffalo in Australia,never failed

[@newerest1]

What projectiles are you using

[@aidenmornay]

Sierra tipped, 175 grain

[@aidenmornay]

Nosler

[@BornAgain2019]

Custom barrel?

[@bocain812]

6.8 Western, in an ideal world. In the present state of affairs, the answers are: 308, 6.5 c.m., 7 rm, 300wm Ammo price and availability are top concerns for most of us. Next is firearm availability.

[@jimedick9496]

I have the 6.8 Western. It’s an amazing cartridge. Very accurate, and it hits hard. It truly is a perfect hunting cartridge. I have ordered my ammo through Choice Ammunition and Pendleton Ammunition. Both are excellent quality and are hand loaded for best results. Nosler, Barnes, Hornady, Sierra, and Berger projectiles are loaded between these two ammo companies. Nosler, Berger, Sierra, and Barnes are true High BC, heavy for caliber .277 caliber bullets for the 6.8 Western. The Nosler is the ELD-X 150 grain that I’m sure was for the 270 WSM offering. I’ve had good results with the ELD-X out of my 6.5 PRC, but I’ve never used them in the 6.8 Western. Booster refuses to support anything that involves the 6.8 Western. Competition I’m guessing.

[@rmbettac]

Those boys like cartridge specialization! 7mm-08 is actually great for most North American hunting, but honestly it’s not in the same class as all those magnums/PRCs mentioned. This video highlights guys that went as far to the magnum side as possible 😂

[@neilis2405]

"Long range" is current in style, so everybody is looking at drop at 800 yards and comparing cartridges, whilst the average hunter is still popping critters inside of 200 yards.

[@mikemellon80]

280 AI! you are so right. just wish it was as popular as the 30-06 or 270 for ammo availability

[@gregwhite6334]

280 rem does everything that I need.

[@hedge7743]

Wish they were more produced.

[@victoraguilera5805]

*if you finde ammo

[@chriscosby2459]

Yes -- the 280 Remington is slightly better than a 270 Win, which is saying something.

[@janosvadas]

I built my dream rifle for elk with a .280 Remington cartridge.

[@BaytownMan45]

The 270 Winchester. Its actually a true 7mm, with its out side diameter. With the powder charge of a 30 06. The 270 Winchester just works. And works very well.

[@stephenmiller6690]

Worked on my Oregon antelope 2 years ago at 350 yards. Love my 270.

[@hunterjohnson5635]

That’s a myth and inaccurate. The .277 bore diameter is not 7mm. In fact the .276 Pederson which was prior to that implied that Winchester knew it wasn’t a 7mm because they would have been .002-.003” off. The cartridge was designed with the bore of .270” in mind first and the bullet diameter of .277” after. Don’t lump the .270 in with the metric Eurotrash. It’s just not true.

[@ke5clr]

Isn’t 270 Win a .277 diameter projectile and 7mm PRC .284?

[@janosvadas]

I believe you are describing the .280 Remington.

[@pauldickson1495]

30-06 . Some don’t want to admit it . But 110g to 220g . What’s not to like ?😁. The wsm series were all the hype awhile back. The new cartridges will be the same.

[@opencountryhunter]

30-06 is still great!

[@Gokiburi777]

Damn right, most of these PRC cartridges will go away in 10 years. Took me 3 months to find 270 WSM. Ammo and I took what is probably the last big stock of 338 RCM brass off the hands of Gunwerks.

[@Intimidator82]

I agree, I can remember all of those WSM and WSSM cartridges being the cat's meow, now you don't hear of them. Is there something wrong with the old reliable cases like .270, 30-06 and a 7mm RemMag?

[@oblivionpro69]

@Intimidator82 It’s such a silly way to phrase it asking “is there something wrong with the old cartridges”, why does there have to be something wrong with something to want to make small improvements to it? Do you say that about other things? “They made a new 2024 Chevy Silverado with new features, geez wtf was wrong with the previous years truck?”

[@kimmichaels899]

Yes, I use 30-06, federal 130s varmint round opens them up real good at 200. I know a old gal who shot a 220lb whitetail @ almost 500 yds, with a old browning 30-06, many years ago 40 plus,,,😅also my stepfather always got his deer w/06 200yds with accelerators, wish we could still get those think they were 22 cal? maybe 24 cal..

[@johnkaraphillis754]

Could not agree with you more Jim. .280AI is efficient, flat shooting, great bullet selection, moderate recoil, and plenty of energy down range. 7SAUM close second.

[@jcarry5214]

A gassedup SAUM can pass the 280 when you get a longer mag I think but you're still using a worse feeding cartridge with 2 less in the mag. I say that as a very happy saum owner. It's such a naturally sweet cartridge, but I hunted on it for 2 years and I just don't have confidence in feeding when my nerves are up in the cold. But you're right, they punch above their weight. 168-180 class is devastating, and I've been dual loading with some low-friction coppers that are a strike from Zeus himself at 140g. It's still carrying 1800ftlbs/2500fps at 500.

[@rosalindstewart7013]

@@jcarry5214now that’s cracken, love the 7 saum, cheers Yogi 🤙✌️

[@wickedwagens]

I agree, 280 ai is really the only one that you could say is better overall. Its a close match between those 2.

[@MrZonacat1]

I like the plain old 280 Remington. Very interesting video.

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

7x64.... Designed 1917. Does all that and then some. Very common here where I am in Europe.

[@jeffreylocke8808]

The 280 AI is the best balanced cartridge in comparison to the 28 Nosler down to the 7mm-08.

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

😂 Yeah I mean here where I am in Europe we've been using the 7x64 forever... It's literally a better 280rem, almost 7remmag/280ai level for hand loaders, with less kick. Designed in 1917. Also, may I remind everyone of the 7x57 Mauser (7mm08).

[@derekmcmurry4263]

Very cool you said 280AI. I have 2 and just started load testing this past weekend in one of them with 168 Berger VLDs, H4831SC powder, fireformed Norma 280 Rem brass and Fed 210M primers. So far looking fantastic. I'm also a new owner to a Tikka 708. I have a Tikka 7PRC and 3 custom 7PRCs. Had 5 total. Sold one.

[@robertwittman9227]

right on 280AI

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

My pick is 300 Weatherby with a 200 gr Accubond at 3100 FPS. Now if I hunted with match bullets... which I don't. I would use a recent load I found. 225 gr ELD-M out of my 300 WBY at 3100 FPS with Ramshot LRT. That load smokes the 7mm PRC... and that is an understatement.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@matthewkramer6543 I have a video of getting 3113 FPS with a 225 ELD-M with Ramshot LRT. Go check it out! It's on my channel. N570 doesn't get you very fast velocity. As I said... I'm using the 200 gr Accubond for hunting. Even my Accubond load beats the 7mm PRC to 1000 yards. And that is with the extremely over inflated box velocity of 3000 FPS with the 7mm PRC. It would look much worse if we actually used real velocities achieved with factory ammo

[@Junkjman1]

I've seen the video of the drag race and know that barrel length and powder used are key to good velocity. And that reloadingweatherby knows what he is talking abot

[@RI-td3gv]

300 rum ftw!

[@mikebowerman5078]

My pick is the 280 Remington. With a handloaded 150 grain ELD X I'm getting 2930 fps.

[@TimothyPreston-ei7bo]

280ai if you stay 150 grains or lighter, 7prc if you like to go heavier. I prefer relatively light for caliber mono's so I love my 7lb 280ai. With some of the new high bc mono's I can send a 140-150mono between 3000-3175 fps and still have a bc over .55. Simply no need for more than the 280ai using these bullets. Of course I hand load so that factors in as well.

[@Intermtn9736]

Heck yeah. Out of curiosity, what monos are you using? Have used CX/GMX and Barnes, but heard great things about hammer, badlands, etc

[@TimothyPreston-ei7bo]

Have used LRX, CX and E-tip...with game harvested with each. I have a box of Bad lands bulldozer 2's on the bench right now for a work up. Will also work up the 151 Cayuga from Patriot Valley Arms when I have a chance. I have been pretty happy with the LRX but the 140 BD2 has a BC of .56 so I am stoked for the weather to change so I can play with it. At 3100 it will carry 1500 ft/lbs to 600 yards which may mean no more packing the 300 win mag which is a full 1.5 lbs heavier than my Ackley.

[@Intermtn9736]

@@TimothyPreston-ei7bo Great, thanks! Shooting 7RM now, but will rebarrel to 18" 7SAUM (like 80% of the guys out west these days...) after. FYI have seen very credible reports of guys doing 3200-3300 fps in 22" 280AI with the Hammer Absolute series. True game changer of a bullet since they don't engrave Ogive. Still not great BCs, but like you I won't shoot past 600 anyway, so 200-300+ "free" fps gets you there just fine. Between the Badlands and that one for me

[@TimothyPreston-ei7bo]

I worked up the BD2 this week, it was a super easy bullet to work with, landed at 3149 running Ramshot Hunter, over LRM primer and Nosler brass. Shot a 2 shot .2 moa, waited 24 hours and shot 2 more shots on a cold barrel at the same target and ended up with a 4 shot .62. For hunting guns I only care about cold barrel accuracy so I shoot 2 shot strings. Similar temps both days and es was a stellar 6fps. Can't wait to stretch it out and verify drops!

[@adamkadir3803]

308 - recoil, cost, availability, heavy bullets leave great holes. 7mm-08 - much of the same. 7Mag - will do 9/10ths of what a 7PRC will do, but cheaper with less recoil, and most shooters aren't in that final tenth. 300WM - cost, availability, big hole. Handloading potential is unbelievable and no mysteries.

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

7x64... Designed in 1917 😂

[@Daniel7.62]

I wish 6.8 western had more loadings available

[@TimothyPreston-ei7bo]

Yes very limited for factory stuff, could be a hand loaders dream....if you could find brass!

[@zachchristensen1394]

I think 6.8 western has so much potential if some of these bigger companies would get on board with it Hornady - nosler ect.

[@kevinbouldin3107]

Sadly I've been having to buy that copper extreme stuff and just unloading it and reloading with quality BC bullets.

[@biggs8729]

@@kevinbouldin3107been there done that. I’ve got 100 of those just sitting in a box on my shelf after pulling them. Worked up a load with the reclaimed powder that push the 175s just a bit faster than the factory 175 loads.

[@jaydunbar7538]

@@kevinbouldin3107how many firing are you getting from your brass?

[@jcarry5214]

GREAT point about the cost of recoil on budget rifles. You can only tighten action screws so much. A creedmoor can tax a cheap gun, triple that recoil and you could have problems. One nice about the 7mm family is they are so efficient that the return on magnums is not super high. All other things relatively equal, until you go past 168g the saum/280 is just a rem mag with a 30-50 yard tax, and the 7-08 is just another 70 or so iirc. If you're using holdovers with light pills or shooting 175+g, yes the calculus changes, that's where PRC takes its seat. Also, recoil is not a contest. I'm a grownup man and I'm secure enough to say the 30-06 class is my limit for all-range, all-stance accuracy in a hunting situation. I'm not going to hunt with a strong brake, so until I can afford a can I'm staying sub-magnum.

[@toddparsons2980]

Std action: 6.5 PRC, 6.8 Western. Long action: 280AI.

[@U.C.Hunter]

I would pick 308 win , ask Randy Newberg why

[@gsitzkowitz]

If you have 7RM that shoots well you don’t need a 7 PRC.

[@melvinsacromentoe]

Agreed, but going forward if you had to buy one which would you? I would probably go with 7 PRC

[@gsitzkowitz]

Not unless availability goes up. I think it would take some time for the 7 PRC to be as available as the 7 Remington Magnum.

[@lanceroberthough1275]

If you handload and want to use heavier, longer, higher BC bullets without powder compression and case neck donutting then you want the 7mm PRC

[@gsitzkowitz]

@@lanceroberthough1275 Well I’m fairly happy with the 175 Nosler ABLR and their BC. I just don’t see that much more improvement. But if you don’t have a 7RM and you don’t have a budget, hey go for it!

[@laxwyo1]

I think this is what most people are missing. They look at exit velocity and groups at a 100 or 200 yds. They’re boomers or fudds and don’t understand how the heavier better bc bullets are better. I have a good shooting 243 but 1:10 holds it back. Can I justify buying a 6 creed just to go up weight? Up to each person. If shooting at 300 yards is your goal, buy the old crap you can’t shoot the new bullets out of.

[@maxcoatlhunter4322]

I agree with all except for one. I'll choose the 270WSM over the 6.8 Western..but that is just my personal opinion.

[@orestwitiw213]

Well I was adding a rifle to my gun safe and I was thinking 7PRC but opted for 7mm REM Mag because I didn’t see a huge difference between them. I’ve shot moose and deer with my 7mm. I ended up getting Sako Precision in 7mm, a Sako Hunter in .308 and a Tikka T3X in 7mm-08 with an MDT HNT26 carbon fibre stock. I wouldn’t hesitate to use any of these rifles here in Northern Ontario. Great show Jim!

[@gerry6.8]

The other thing that wasn't mentioned is the 7 PRC 175 gr load gets 2850 fps on average not even close to the 3000 fps Hornady claims. The Federal load is supposed to be better for speed.

[@ryanglass3570]

My 30-06 does that but if your a hand loader you can probably bump that up considerably.

[@RepublicofTX]

I’m getting right at 3,000 fps out of my 24” barrel with the Hornady load. I’m also running a 8” suppressor on it too though. Idk if that helps or not, some people say it does, others say it doesn’t.

[@ryanglass3570]

@@RepublicofTX I would love to run a suppressor but until they take it of the nfa then not. Not sure about the fps jump with a suppressor, imo I would think not.

[@adamniswonger8015]

@@ryanglass3570if you’ve purchased a hunting license. You’re already likely on a list. No reason to miss out on the benefits and joys of owning suppressors.

[@robbiek5oh]

Don't give away the 280ai secret....162ELDX with a 0.631 G1 @ 2,900fps from a light weight Kimber Montana is a killing machine; or 150 TTSX @ 3,000fps if you want a mono; plenty of horsepower without excessive recoil

[@joshuadocter2277]

Looooove 6.8 Western! The 175 Sierra GK's are 👌👌👌.

[@altruisticscoundrel]

This is really sweet of all these guys with their pep talks for folks who can't 308 WIN the Day.

[@deangustafson7533]

I considered buying a 7PRC, but in comparing it with my 280 AI…what do I gain? I don’t shoot 1000 yards, and don’t plan to. It’s a hunting rifle, and I gain nothing by getting a 7PRC…other than adding another to the safe. I’d still take the 280 AI 5:48 into the field for everything, including my bucket list moose.

[@Timberdam]

Shot placement and bullet selection most important !! Shoot what you shoot BEST !

[@thomaskolditz4293]

Really appreciate that many of these shooters have outgrown the hype surrounding new ultra long range cartridges for hunting--anything beyond a 7x57 or 7mm08 is really unnecessary for hunting to 400 yards. Same with the .308-30'06 class. Go ahead, buy more magnum rifles and switch to high bc bullets. But 100 year old cartridges do just fine taking game.

[@Nate_dumb]

As a handloader i loooooooove my 7 saum

[@lz3572]

As you should 👍it’s a terrific cartridge.

[@jordandutchjohn2081]

Nothing wrong with a 7-08, especially if you handload. I’m getting the 162’s up to 2815 for my accuracy load, and 2878 for the max load. I know factory 150’s are pretty slow, but my theory is that’s on purpose. They don’t want to distract from other cartridges like the 270…

[@opencountryhunter]

It works!

[@bencollins7684]

What barrel length do you have?

[@opencountryhunter]

I’m pretty sure mine is 22”

[@GarinWhitby]

This is a video I’ve been waiting for good stuff!

[@sergeantdwz5783]

You and the first guy proved why my 7 rum is my favorite. Right between the 7 prc and 300 rum. Perfect

[@dustytimmons8056]

Best thing about having so many cartridge option is that it gives you an excuse to buy another gun! Now I need to get a 7 prc and a 280 AI…and a 6.8 western and my wife’s going to kill me 😂

[@Dragalovci]

You definitely need 280AI

[@jamessettle9577]

Good video man . We appreciate you

[@kellyrick4365]

I will have a 7 PRC someday :) Thanks Jim

[@cato7669]

So it looks like the 300wm was the best option out of all of those?

[@theonygaard2003]

The GOHUNT guys are absolutely amazing! Keep up the great videos!

[@douglaskurka5874]

7 Mag all day long ! Surprised this one was not one of the choices !

[@RepublicofTX]

Calm down, grandpa

[@josephkupper4061]

I'm with you Doug. Had my Rem Mag rebarreled for the heavy bullets, and I'm 100 fps ahead of the PRC. Having said that, it is hard to argue with a 140-170 grain bullet with a high BC cruising at speed in a conventional Rem Mag. Love it! Let the haters hate.

[@lz3572]

So many people have jumped on the bandwagon about the belted magnums. How they are obsolete and not needed. Maybe some truth in that. But you can’t argue the fact that they still work well. Cheers

[@ZeroXSEED]

308 is the ultimate common man hunting ammo. If you need anything else, you either have too small of a target (308 being overkill) or too far of a target (you BETTER ensure that kill is ethical, bro). It is in fact too overkill for my need, which is why I stick with 22 WMR and 410 combo. But there was a time where we really, really need the 308 and had to call a hunter from a neighboring city.

[@user-qx6rf7rb2x]

I would never get a 7PRC on account of recoil, ammo price and availability, specially here in Canada, I have everything I need in my 300WM with a muzzle break and trusty old 270 for back up, tks for the video Jim

[@sapperROSS]

My 7prc with a break kicks half of what my 270wsm does and the ammo is almost half the price at $50 box for eldx. The 270 is a good back up tho lol My prc groups under a moa at 200 yards.

[@williamgaines9784]

​@@sapperROSS why not put a brake on your 270 WSM?

[@RepublicofTX]

Canadian owning guns…. *laughs in second amendment*

[@sapperROSS]

@williamgaines9784 7prc is a better round and I wanted a new rifle

[@williamgaines9784]

@@sapperROSS was not suggesting you not have the new rifle and cartridge, just asking why you wouldn't modify your now "backup" to get that same shoulder softness.

[@vanguns9664]

I am surprised no one took the 7mm Rem Mag.

[@kevinberdine]

This was an original and entertaining idea for a video. Great job!

[@biggs8729]

I think to be fair you have to take 100 ft./s off of that seven PRC because nobody is getting 3000 FPS from their seven PRC. My friend and his Seekins HAVOC 22 inch is getting 2820 FPS with his seven PRC, which seems to be pretty consistent from what I’ve heard from other shooters.

[@mrjames9910]

I love my 300 rum with a 200 grain Accubond

[@snowman3219]

30.06 & 300 Win mag. Because you can buy ammo at the hardware store and drop everything North America has to offer.

[@RoxVrod]

For me, it is 300 PRC. The 7 PRC is a close second place. Fun video Jim! Thx!!!

[@dpbierman2586]

I'm with the guy that went with the 6.5PRC, as a big 270win fan myself... my dad's very accurate 270 rifle got passed down to my son. So I wanted something in a modern design with similar ballistics... and the 6.5 PRC drew my attention.

[@northerntier87]

I believe that 6.8 western is a good idea and its accurate as well. Wow

[@timmcfarland3311]

300 RUM. All day. Now mine is more target. 33” barrel 25lbs but pushed the 245 at 3150 fps and that’s 3,700lbs of energy at 500 yards

[@GammaRayTrae]

I’m a fan of the 300 prc when you suppress it, otherwise I’m going to pick the 6.5 creedmoor. I’m able to find it in every store I go to

[@danolsen2405]

7 rem mag is my favorite

[@ToniStark75]

Shot placement is more important, than sensless caliber comparisons. Wmh

[@hikenmikes8262]

…and bullet selection

[@Tachy320]

6.5 PRC. I don’t hunt elk anymore. I had a vision that I needed one with my Biden bucks a couple years ago, for my NV antelope hunt that I hadn’t drawn yet. I went to the store and they had just gotten in a Seekins Havak which I was looking for. I picked it up and never put it down. Oh and I drew my tag and got a 80” pronghorn at 575 yds. It was meant to be. But I love the 270, 280, and 7mm rem mag. I like the 6.8 guy. Smaller figured fella. I’m gonna steal that.

[@kylevanhorn9897]

Love your content! I’m curious what your opinion is on the new/old Weatherby model 307? I’m a huge weatherby fan, I like how they’re chambering and loading non-weatherby cartridges.

[@chrisross1657]

28 Nos and I LOVE IT. I can handle the short barrel life but $4 a round, Ouch !

[@paulmeek7964]

Started out with the 7 REM mag then went to the 7STW then 7ultta mag. Now for the last 15 it’s been the 7WSM and it’s perfect for me as a reloader with a bad neck lol but nothing complains after getting hit with 140 vld or partition’s.

[@Alex-uz7wd]

30-378 Weatherby backcountry 2.0 carbon..7.9 lbs scoped. 220gr eld-x 3100fps. I’m with Brady no replacement for displacement. I hunt very windy wide open country and shots are rarely under 300 yards. Lack of cover. It also covers me for Grizzly protection in case of that event.

[@JimWooddell]

Brady's 300 RUM is no joke. Sweet round. I like my 28 Nosler. No 7 PRC here!

[@Antjohns89]

Wow no 7mm Rem Mag! All were good choices cant go wrong with any

[@richwc1]

First I do own a 7mm Prc. Second stop using 3000 fps for the 175. Just because Hornady printed it on the box doesn't mean that's what it's doing. 2900 fps would be far I think but I'm not even getting near that with Precision Hunter out of my 22". As for what's better? 300wm. I also feel the 6.8 could be better with more support and a 280ai is right there with the prc.

[@ChrisEdling]

We poach whitetail with suppressed 300 blackout. Works great within 100 yards 👍🏼

[@craigschaefer8764]

That was a GREAT video, because hunting is personal. For instance, when I’m sneaking along the Adirondack Mountains, my .30-30 in my Model 94 is a better rifle / cartridge combination. Once again, a GREAT video.

[@Bwanar1]

7mmSTW. 160gr. Swift bullet. 170gr. Swift solid for tough stuff. Never had to shoot anything twice over 3 continents. With a brake, I can watch it hit the target. Very accurate.

[@frankmccarthy2624]

280AI or 7mm Mag can pretty much do everything. I don’t see the need for it. I don’t know why the 280AI doesn’t rule the world.

[@amateurbiggamehunter7691]

Great video. GoHunt is such a great company. Building out my own 7 PRC with an MDThnt26.

[@scottscheuerman8714]

I am building a 280 AI myself right now but I do agree about the 300 rum it does anchor elk well I did have to get a muzzle break on it because it is brutal otherwise but I never had to shoot a elk more than once they just go down

[@bobkat1663]

7mm PRC 175 grain bullet in a 26 inch barrel will do 2980 fps. max./ a 7mm Rem. Mag. holds 4 grains more powder, than the PRC so, with the same bullets the 7mm Rem. Mag. will out perform the PRC. As for the 300 RUM I get 2920 fps. out of Hornady 250 grain target bullets. Going to get way more fps. out of a 220 grain.

[@Deuceblank]

280AI or 270win are my top 2 better than 7prc. But I'm just a normal southern US hunter. Big hogs the toughest thing I've shot at.

[@hyrumjensen4712]

After lots of asking the opinions of old elk hunters here in the Rocky Mountains and comparing drop, drift, energy, etc. I have decided against the PRCs for a 270 Winchester for my first big game hunting rifle. 280 AI is cool but 270win is cheap.

[@crazytex23]

I live out west, and I’ve taken elk, black bears, mulies, and whitetails with my .270 and .280 AI. They work great. With the AI, you can get similar ballistics with a 160 gr bullet compared to the 7 PRC’s factory load with the same Hornady CX 160 gr bullet.

[@onerahtokonmc7703]

.270 was my first big game rifle from my father, it’s taken eastern moose, deer, and black bear for me, fantastic cartridge

[@texpatriot8462]

I have a 270 and 280AI. I don't think a 7PRC is better than either.

[@JVR-gd7zw]

I use 280ai. It started as 270, but once I burnt out the barrel I swapped the 280ai on it. Live in pacific northwest hunt Roosevelt and rocky mt elk, deer black and whitetail as well as muel deer. Reloader 26 is amazing

[@dbeardsley0]

I hunt with a 300prc, same opinion. No replacement for displacement. With modern suppressors, the recoil argument is mostly irrelevant. My deadair nomad, recoil ain't nothing on my 300prcs. My lightweight and heavy one feel good to shoot. So why not go with the bigger cartridge

[@foonus406]

IMO the best cartridge is one that's available and you can find hand loading components for. Hornady uses Large rifle magnum primers that they manufacture in house for the 7MM PRC. Unfortunately for most hand loaders at the moment due to component availability they will not be able to reload these cartridges and be limited to the Hornady ELD-X or CX factory box ammo. I'm loading a 6.5 Creedmoor for deer and smaller because I found Lapua 6.5 brass that uses small rifle primers which are available. If I go for Elk or larger I bring the 300 PRC - which also requires large rifle primers- but I limit that one to only when its required for the size of the game because of the fact it takes double the powder and those unobtanium large rifle magnum primers.

[@chipsterb4946]

I did a fair amount of research, comparing various cartridges. The 7mm PRC really seems like the “Goldilocks” of all of Hornady’s recent creations. I am planning out an ultimate bolt action build and was sold on 7mm PRC… until I realized it needs Large Rifle MAGNUM Primers. BHO taught me to lay in a long-term supply of key components, but I never had a need for LRM primers. I don’t have any and can’t find any.

[@foonus406]

@@chipsterb4946 I wouldn't hold your breath for them either - We put in an order for them over 2 years ago and when it finally arrived we got a full 3 boxes - a small fraction of the order we placed. I'm sure you can understand that all 3 went to staff and never saw the sales floor.

[@chipsterb4946]

@@foonus406 thanks - that confirms my concerns.

[@samwindisch5596]

Hornady does not make primers. I have two boxes of 7PRC Match ammo with two different primers. One is a silver primer (CCI) and the other is brass (Federal/Remington/Winchester).

[@foonus406]

@samwindisch5596 when you look at the explosion they had recently it was reported to have originated in the primer manufacturing division of the building.. that said I'm sure it's possible they use other manufacturers as well - or that different batches or factories crank out primers of a different color. I have also seen both colors from hornady box ammo.

[@michaelpatience2171]

300 Rum !!! My jam!!!

[@lz3572]

Awesome video.👍👍 I like your pic of the 280 AI But my pic is the 7mm rem mag Just because I’ve had it for just over 40 years now I’ve harvested every animal I squeezed the trigger at. Moose Elk Deer. It just preforms !!! And and a larger ammunition selection and availability. Every little mom and pop sporting goods store has some.👍 And every gun manufacturer chambers for it. If I was going to setup a new long range target gun It would be a toss up between the 7PRC and the 7Saum. Cheers

[@zzz7zzz9]

same. my dad bought a parker-hale 7mm rem mag on july 7, 1967, the day i was born. it became mine when i was old enough to shoot. every big game animal that i have shot, in all these years, has been with that gun.

[@lz3572]

If it isn’t broke don’t fix it.👍

[@zzz7zzz9]

@@lz3572 amen.

[@foubert45]

6.8 western pushes the same weight pill as the 7PRC and the Western does it with less powder. Ask anybody with a 7PRC, they aren’t getting 3k FPS. Hornady didn’t even introduce true heavy for caliber bullets for the caliber. There are only 2 or 3 heavy for caliber bullet options for the 7mm… which are only 8% heavier than regular 7mm (nothing special). Vs the 6.8 western with a 15% increase in bullet weights when compared to traditional 270cals.

[@RepublicofTX]

I’m getting 3,000 fps out of them. Most people I ask don’t even run the same barrel length that they tested them in. They run 20” to 22” and say, idk why mine is slower? I run a 24” barrel with a 8” suppressor, reaching the 3,000 fps mark consistently.

[@robertjimenez1611]

@republicofTX so you’re saying we need 32 inches of barrel to actually get the advertised velocity?

[@jimedick9496]

@@RepublicofTX Yet I’ve seen video after video proving otherwise. The average velocity of the 7 PRC out of a 24” barrel has been 2,840. Even Backfire released a video a couple weeks ago showing the “real world” velocities out of the 7 PRC. LoadingWeatherby (I think that’s his channel name) has just come out with a video also comparing the 6.8W and the 7 PRC. The Western was out performing the PRC with factory ammo. The fact is, both cartridges are fantastic and are practically neck and neck. There’s no need to crap on another cartridge because it’s not the one you own. It’s like someone shooting the 30-06 trying to trash talk the .308 just because theirs holds a little more powder. So what? A dead elk is a dead elk!!!!

[@RepublicofTX]

@@robertjimenez1611 are you saying suppressors increase velocity?

[@RepublicofTX]

@@jimedick9496 Where at in my statement did I trash the 6.8? I was trolling some other guys in another comment either on this video or another one, but I was just fu€kin with them, which they caught onto pretty quickly. The reason I got advertised velocities is because I bought a bunch of 7prc when it first came out, which had the right powder to achieve the 3,000 fps. Now we’re learning Hornady can’t get that powder anymore, which explains why it slowed down.

[@Stewart7516]

It would be really cool to redo this video with real worls 7prc numbers . That mythical 3000 fps is the only thing pushing it over the edge on these cartridges.

[@29rca]

The Ammoseek search on some of the cartridges is a little sobering. My 12.5" 6.8 SPC has no problem punching holes last season for me in North Texas as an all around purpose rifle 200 yards and less. I would lean toward a 7 rem mag when I am ready for a big boy rifle.

[@AZFarmFun-hp1cu]

I love the 7PRC on paper, but my recoil limit is 6.5PRC so I stick there.. and I don’t flinch.

[@demandprecision5810]

280 AI might be one of the most perfect cartridges ever for power, range, efficiency, aesthetics, ease of reloading, compatibility, you name it. I'll never forget putting a lady co-worker behind one in a McRee chassis after I got the wind figured and she rang a 10" gong at 925 yards - first shot. First time shooting a rifle. Shouldn't have sold that one.

[@hardingdies7811]

Lee-Enfield No.4, Mk1 (T) in .303 British handloads with Hornady 150gr. Inter-Lock, or my 7mm Rem Mag in Savage 100 APEX LH 175gr ELD-X.

[@daveenriquez7790]

Hi Jim, I was considering the 7mm PRC in the Bergara B14 Squared Crest with the 22" fluted metal barrel at 7.1 lbs. Not the Crest Carbon as it is probably to light at 6.5 lbs. I was also thinking the B14 HMR Carbon Wilderness with 24" Carbon barrel at 8.3 lbs. In your opinion would you prefer the heavier 8.3 lb rifle over the squared Crest at 7.1 lbs shooting the 7mm PRC cartridge for manageability and recoil management ? I will be shooting the rifle with the radial muzzle brake or aftermarket horrizontal side brake to tame the recoil. Thank you if you for your time.

[@RaymondTusk74]

28 Nosler stopped being popular once people burned out their first barrel and had to buy something else anyway

[@TheTGRproductions]

I always rely on my good ol' .308 Winchester. But if I had to pick something else, I'd definitely go with 300 Win Mag. Tried, true, reliable!

[@tomkehoe6392]

Revisiting this vid and watching with new eyes now that 7 PRC velocities seem to run lower than advertised. The comparison with 6.8 Western is especially interesting with potentially the same speeds; it's basically a tie!

[@heterodox3487]

Ammo availability, ammo price(now and future), and barrel life are going to be significant factors for future purchases