7 Days To Die - Upcoming 1.0 LAUNCH! What do we know?

[@Vedui42]

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[@heroicxidiot]

I still feel like the game going gold is in name. Reality, I believe, is that they were forced their hands to call this the "launch release" because of consoles. The game is still under development with the promised features still being set to release later and that they're planning on doing overhauls later on that should've been done way earlier than post launch

[@zachariah74]

Yeah I remember somebody else saying its likely because Sony or Microsoft pushed them to release the game as complete for console (albeit with future content updates planned). That's the narrative I find the most believable. It's still A22.

[@heroicxidiot]

@@zachariah74 most likely Sony. Microsoft has their own early access thing.

[@Vedui42]

I find that's very likely. Wish they would say so. On the forums, they even said it's 1.0, but it's not going gold. Which is like huh? 1.0 IS gold. By definition.

[@heroicxidiot]

@@Vedui42 going gold means it's finished and all features they want is in, yet their road map shows things that aren't things you'd normally have for post launch content.

[@Vedui42]

By definition (and, the gold definition IS somewhat outdated, but still), when you go gold is when you're ready to launch the 1.0 version and go into a sales mode to ship to customers. It doesn't have to be the final game, but it should be a complete game. 1.0 means it's a complete game. It might not be the final game (which could be even better) but it should at least be complete from a "this is what we intended for our game launch" standpoint. Imagine buying a book, and after chapter 30 it ends suddenly. Because chapter 31-40 is still on the roadmap, and they'll email you the updated chapters once/when completed. The printing of your first edition of a book is not always the final version, authors and editors will still review and make fixes as needed for further printing (or for e-books, updated versions online). But they're still complete, they don't lack the final 3 chapters :)

[@kanucanoe4540]

When it stops raining in my buildings/bases, then it's a game lol

[@Vedui42]

Rain inside under cover is a pet peeve!

[@ELPez276]

0:37 we're ready to move on to the next step. But it's going to take us 6 months to make a weather system 💀

[@Vedui42]

Careful, they might just make it rain more again :D

[@andreas.grundler]

On the plus side, the API for modding 7 Days to Die will probably not undergo any major changes in subsequent versions. This means that you no longer have to adapt the mods to the new version for them to work. And perhaps the promised devkit will also be available. The downside is that I have to give up hope that the developers might have a change of heart and bring back learning by doing. 😉 Some think that when the game reaches 1.0 it's dead, but I believe that high quality mods like Undead Legacy will be the way forward for the game. I would pay money for mods like that.

[@Vedui42]

Until steam workshop. But hopefully that's integrated smoothly! Or other mod-workshop, I saw for instance Deep rock Galactic integrated mod.io ... which maybe is more cross-platform accessible?

[@danield-h1j]

2 months before release and they dont have a release date for their "gold" launch....

[@Vedui42]

Yes. You'd have thought they'd do announcements after planning ;)

[@streamdungeon5166]

Considering how many modders made bandits work (including myself actually before they took those assets back out), I have very high expectations for the AI and general quality. If they give us something that could have been released many years ago with a few hours of work by hobbyists, I will be very disappointed. What do you think? Funny to think you went from something like 20 subs to over 20k since then 👍

[@Vedui42]

Yeah time passes! I think a lot of people have high expectations ... I do not. It took them 3 years (or more) to get a drone done to follow the player. Bandit AI if it's going to be advanced would if along the same time-expenditure be 10-15 years, which I feel is not realistic. We'll probably get bandits that shoot, go to "cover" .. move around, keep distance if they have firearms and go to melee if they're close combat. But this is AI that's considered pretty basic, and you see a bunch of other survival games have that even as they release into EA, let alone 15 years down the line. :)

[@TheBigfoot425]

Pro: "Folks ya won't have to wait much longer"...... Con: we'll have to wait longer

[@Vedui42]

Yeah. We're out of Alpha. We're still in alpha-shape ;)

[@Dreez76]

All i'm wondering is, can we finally fix and repair brokendown vehicles and use them?. I mean, if i got enough materials to build a whole jeep, then i should be able to fix up that rusted truck on the side of the road with some mats and time yes ?. Or just visit an overrun military base, bring tons of materials and start fixing up that humvee ... etc etc.

[@Vedui42]

Undead Legacy is something you should try out, that's how it works there :)

[@DeezN00tz99]

I'm still on the last update without the magazine update lmao

[@Vedui42]

I'm not a fan of the magazine learn by looting update :)

[@ReclinedPhysicist]

They feel like it's popular enough that they can start charging for updates. If you're thinking about trying The game, buy it now because it's going to get more expensive after the release. Probably everybody's going to have to buy the major release next year with banditos.

[@SumAnonymousAcapella]

They can’t just make it more higher in price. It has to be severely updated and things added. Clothes, weapons etc. because the game does not look good enough graphic wise yo just charge higher price above 50$ it need a to much work

[@ReclinedPhysicist]

@@SumAnonymousAcapella the Fun Pimps have already stated that the price is going up starting with version 1. I am assuming that next year's release with bandits will be something everybody has to buy. They have not definitely stated that.

[@dannydaye9449]

@@ReclinedPhysicist what are the chances they get Alpha 22 to "go stable" in one month? I am not worried about paying for Bandits/Raiders, The fun pimps keep dumbing down the Alphas because you guys get terrible performance on even HIGH end computers. That will end up being one of those things they blame Series S next gen consoles for just not being good enough. (Even though they play all the new HUGE games....and not that they have no idea how to build a working console game). They should just stick to PC.

[@ReclinedPhysicist]

@@dannydaye9449 I think the chances are fairly good they'll have a stable release within the first month on the PC. I don't know anything about the console game.

[@dannydaye9449]

@@ReclinedPhysicist I guess I will have to wait to see if they can meet one deadline before saying more, but, was I right about the performance on comp and the dumbing down of the Alphas?

[@peternolder8145]

Late May... which year?

[@donaldbott8331]

this year.

[@Vedui42]

Supposedly this. If you believe TFP :)

[@Ming1975]

I'm seeing a pattern here for such games. Promise a full game, produce a functional half game, start adding stuff like DLCs, when run out of ideas change the game mechanics. 7Days to Die is thankfully the least scummy because there are no charges for DLC. Sadly we will never get a full game, no bandits and if it comes it's going to be incomplete story to play. Main factors are these game have mild to no PVE in their games, they rely on the players to keep the game alive hoping to get the full game they were promised that'll probably never come. Space Engineers, Scrap Mechanic, Conan:Exiles... They all do this. How I wish I have $$$$ to hire devs to make a complete space zombie build survival game that'll satisfy my desire.

[@Vedui42]

I am surprised on one hand that they decided to go 1.0. However I also in videos last year speculated they might, wanting to launch on console in EA would be problematic.

[@didactics]

I love the game as is. Needs a few changes but overall one of the best games ever. Well worth the price increase and I will purchase again on console. I been playing since A13 and waited through all the promises and been disappointed that some haven’t been met but overall they’ve done an amazing job working on this game. Looking forward to bandits and optimization but other than that I’m happy.

[@Vedui42]

Nice! A13 is definitely early allowing you to have seen the progress!

[@kisijones2782]

I dont care if a game ever launch's to gold, just keep adding new content .......

[@Vedui42]

Yeah! Want more content!

[@zachariah74]

I know it hasn't been touched on seemingly ANYWHERE, but is the Vulkan renderer ever going to be considered stable? It's in the game's launcher as an option on PC.

[@Vedui42]

Good question. I've not heard specifics sadly.

[@dannydaye9449]

well done. hopefully people will take a second and see that we're not just complaining. TFP are pulling some bs...I don't blame any console players who will rebuy just to get some of what we were promised. I just hope even some don't...at least until they actually meet ONE deadline.

[@Vedui42]

We'll see how well it turns out :)

[@x46and2x]

But will it have a jumping animation tho?

[@Vedui42]

Anything is better than the current animation :P or lack of it!

[@Hunko115]

I think one of the major appeals of 7D2D was how cheap it was. 7D2D goes often on sales which make it go down to crazy prices like 5$. It's so much easier to get over that feeling of doubt when it comes to buying a game, if the game isn't such a big money commitment. 7D2D sat at a 22$ price tag, which is a really reasonable price if you ask me. I could see the game going up to 30$. But 45 dollars? That's asking too much. A game like Helldivers 2, RUST or even Hunt: Showdown are much more polished and professional games than 7D2D. And they ask for 39,99$. 7D2D is not in a position to ask for that much. What makes games expensive at their release dates is because they offer a new experience which the market hasn't seen before. Or that it's gameplay / Graphics are at a very high standard. But 7D2D are not any of those. Now that 7D2D will be a 45$ game, we're gonna start comparing it to other 45$ games. 7D2D is going to lose it's competitive edge if they try to be like everyone else. I think the console community is also going to be really harsh on 7D2D. They're going to pay for a buggy, bad performance game for 45$. The Fun Pimps were to scared to show any realistic footage of how a horde night would look on console. They literally showed 5 zombies on a screen, when in reality hordes can reach up to 30-64 zombies at a time. But who knows, I might eat my own words. But I haven't been proven wrong yet......... TFP have been the same since 2013. Amateurs posing as professionals.

[@Vedui42]

Yes it's controversial though, a lot of people support 45 bucks, I just do not. 30. 35 if it had all the features it's supposed to. Not for an incomplete game. It's a fun game. But they've got intense competition.

[@tonyyarbray]

lets see what sale event on steam is going to be running when they do it?

[@Vedui42]

They have been, and I think it's on now.

[@brianm.595]

Honestly, i got the game for 7 bucks and have gotten hundreds of hours of playtime. I hope they meet all their deadlines but i'm probably going to keep playing overhaul mods until its all sorted.

[@Vedui42]

Yup! I bought 2 copies myself!

[@doctoronishispsychosislab1474]

Have they optimised it yet ?

[@Vedui42]

Sure, that was a stated goal to do major optimization for 1.0. Oh wait. I don't think that's gonna happen coz the game is not completed :P

[@pcvinzinternetshop6646]

can i ask you what movie is that?

[@Vedui42]

It's the official 7 days to die trailer actually. :)

[@RageyRage82]

I am optimistic, but also very cautious going into this. I have been playing the game for a very long time, and I have seen those changes, sometimes, not satisfactory, and sometimes, I have just gotten used go it. But I am hoping they stick with the core of what we have gotten used to fron the past two alphas at least

[@Vedui42]

If nothing else, it's a new version to try :)

[@RageyRage82]

@@Vedui42 yes. But I guess as with any game with multiplayer, if you're playing with others, you kinda need to play what they're playing. So I hope they stick with the similarities at least where most of us can enjoy it together.

[@f8keuser]

"Commit to feature deadlines" Yeah right, they stopped giving out release dates because they can't reach them, I don't even think they've ever released an update on the day/month they said it will be released, so for them to actually release updates and commit to it they really need to get their game together and follow through otherwise gold release and future updates will just be the same as any other update... expecting features to have the pushed back. I really love the game and thank the devs for creating such a awesome game but at times I really wished they planned things better and make up their mind what they want to do with the game, bit tired of system reworks after system reworks after every update... learn by crafting... learn by looting... learn by reading books... make up your mind... Edit: I don't mind the changes overall, In fact I love it when devs make changes to get it the way they want it, however the main issue I see with this is that the changes take for ever to do so the entire next update takes a year and any other features is pushed back and then to get the features we were looking forward to will take another year so all in all it would take 2 years because of system reworks. Edit 2: I don't like that they are hiking the price... I wouldn't mind or care if the game had bandits and a story and overall a complete game but going gold doesn't give us that so this price hike seems to rub off me the wrong way.. like a good reason to get extra cash for a game that is yet to be complete.

[@Vedui42]

Having the game (2 copies) the price hike doesn't affect me. I just speak from a general survival genre standpoint, 45 is above pretty much all (or most) games. Ark Survival Ascended still is more tho I think ;)

[@f8keuser]

@@Vedui42 Yeah I own the pc version so I'm fine.

[@lighthouseKeeper42]

where is the beta?

[@Vedui42]

Skipped ;) or maybe it's version 3.0 :D

[@jbudlawrence8133]

2:53 I agree with the version 22 being 1 as it makes no sense because it could of been 21 or 23

[@Vedui42]

Yep. We'll see what it turns out tho, whether the numbering will matter in the end :)

[@jbudlawrence8133]

@@Vedui42 I’m sure we will and hopefully they keep updating it

[@cyrlangaming]

7 Days to Die Alpha 21 is much more stable than other AAA game 2023-2024 releases, so I do not care if they change to 1.0 or 7D2D Beta 1.0, or anything as long as the dev keeps updating the game. The only bad thing for a game development going to 1.0 some of them stop developing the game, they just finish the game and move on to another project, that is what I hate when a game goes to 1.0 and no future updates anymore.

[@Fxrrxt2x]

That's why some of us always lamented the day 7 Days goes gold. Because that would mean the game's support and life would be coming to an end.

[@dannydaye9449]

except it is not Alpha 21 going to gold...PC players don't have a clue what Alpha 22 is really going to be like, but, I get why you guys are not mad...you have had a game to play...hell...every Alpha is available to you. A lot of PC players are glossing over the probs because YOU can play any version...modded. Console can't and won't. A bunch of people are being convinced to buy a broken game...that will maybe be fixed in two years IF TFP do something they have never done...actually meet a deadline.

[@cyrlangaming]

@@dannydaye9449 This is the downside for console, they can't be modded and accept what the game give to them, seems it is true that TFP forced to make the game gold so that they can release the game in Console with a full released price and a reason to remove the legacy 7D2D.

[@dannydaye9449]

@@cyrlangaming thank you. I want this game to be good for console too. I accept that we are not going to have everything PC has, but, even then what they are releasing is not ready. At least you guys will be okay when they get another decade of runway out of this premature release...out of console players...again.

[@Vedui42]

I see it just as a version update. IF they continue developing. People have expressed (and it's not unfounded) concern that by calling it 1.0 a bunch of features might be dropped, or even majorly slimmed down instead of fully developed. Still, if you bought the game years back, it's been more than worth it :)

[@adamant4107]

I have trouble believing 7DTD is ever going to leave Alpha. They talk a lot but after all this time we need actions. I hope it's true.... won't hold my breath... and where's my Bandits?? Love this game though. Have over 7000 hour into it. Still playing!

[@Vedui42]

I guess we left alpha .. .by just changing the labeling ;)

[@mythron7270]

Finally, someone who calls it as they see it.Gaslight gaslighthe game will never be ready to be a full game and if it ever is it'll be long after Bethesda launches, elder scrolls 6. The better game that will be coming out will be State of decay 3. Because of the debacle on the console and the fun pimps, not wanting to help those on the console. I will not be interested in any of the fun pimps games. Unfinished games being passed as complete.

[@Vedui42]

And people still called me dishonest in the comments ... I think it's a fair review of the situation, based on having covered the game for now ... 7 years or so. I worry a lot of their updates are too little too late, but hey, their player base IS growing. So maybe it just appeals to more people now.

[@mythron7270]

@Vedui42 So I figured I'd give it a fair Chance so I uninstalled the game reinstall. Set all the settings back to normal plated for an hour and it crashed 18 times 7 Minutes to crash is not a good game end of story. Maybe they should change the driver engines. Or if they originally gave Microsoft a copy and Sony a copy and let them make the game run on their systems. That would have been much better.

[@kamakazed3747]

These will be Alpha regardless of the spin they put on it, the overhauls are far superior I'll play the vanilla and probably get bored or finish a play though in about 24 total hour and go back to the superior Mods

[@Vedui42]

The good news might be that things stabilise more making the modders have an easier time :)

[@Silly2smart]

I say raise the normal price to one billion Dollars! Then you can have "insane deals". :)

[@Vedui42]

Haha! We'll see what their sale prices are yes ;)

[@blackhorde22]

I can wait, because it's gonna be worth GOLD when finally released.

[@Vedui42]

Yes stay tuned for the year 2042 ;)

[@blackhorde22]

@@Vedui42 7days will end up being called 7 days to Fallout 76 ( Undead Edition ) .. HAHAHA

[@jacobbalcer3329]

Here I clicked it because I was like wtf I thought they stopped supporting the game like 8 years ago xP I was right.

[@Vedui42]

We'll see! We do "hope" we'll eventually get all the promised features. However, I wouldn't hold my breath :)

[@amyhisle2292]

The console version being offered to anyone who already owns it at a reduced price is a joke now. With the full price going to cost $45, even if they offer a 50% discount, the console people are in fact then paying what they would have paid for the full alpha price. I personally think this was the intention they were going for so those having to repurchase will have to pay, at the very least, the original price it cost them, rather than getting that *reduced* price.

[@dannydaye9449]

I agree....math is math...and in your scenario they would have to offer a 50% discount. TFP have been saying since 2022 they are looking into a discount for legacy console players...I highly doubt that they are saving that news as a surprise.

[@Vedui42]

We'll have to see what the reduced price is, but I doubt it'd be even 50 % ... so yeah, 45 mins whatever discount is still high.

[@heartattackjack9349]

Okay, I can accept the learn by looting, as you use magazines to learn, which might contain information that you do not know. However, the magazines are fluid, not static. What that means is that the magazines let you learn by quantity, not by what is in the magazine. Not realistic. So, that is good and bad. I would like a combo of static magazines, and learn by doing, which would increase the quality of the crafted items. Also, prevent high level items from spawning, and you can only buy them from specialists at the traders, get them as rewards, or have to craft them. That will prevent people from getting high level gear by grinding levels with digging, and upgrading. The Fun Pimps had reworked the learning system for a long time, with several different versions. That has left character creation quite horrible, almost Dragon Age and Mass Effect awful. The good? Um, hmmm. Um....I have to wait to see if they actually add what I've wanted for a while. Mining? Nope, will nerf that probably. Tunneling? Nope, will make it obsolete probably. Farming? Nope, make it harder instead of realistic. Hunting? Nope, unlikely. The bad? Well, never got mining carts. Never got mining enhancements. Invisible wires? Why? Why not conduit, or flush mounted outlets? The ugly? Probably going to get something I never expected, with rubber arm zombies able to hit you at five blocks, and able to pound through concrete and steel, but I won't be able to hit the broad side of a barn with a scattershot shotgun blast five meters away. Nope. Not complaining a bit. I think they just took so long to bring it to this point, a lot of people are going to be bored by the time full release hits. Final full release will be a bomb. 1.0 will be good, 1.1 will be meh, and final will be a balloon popping in an empty room. Maybe.

[@Vedui42]

I was concerned about learn by looting when I heard about it. And at least the way I play, magazines were practically useless as for most trees you never use them. Food, meds and electrical items. The rest? Useless. I never crafted any armor, weapons, tools, gear of any kind, vehicles, etc... so 95 % of the magazines were a waste. Poor balancing at least the way I play.

[@darknessmohag6181]

Pro: Better Fps in big cities. Con: no true 1.0

[@Vedui42]

Cities seem to be better, but still rough during horde nights in mp games :)

[@darknessmohag6181]

@@Vedui42 MM.. well lets hope they fix it.. though its the Funpimp and I don't have too much hope.

[@mythron7270]

I don't know what the problem is with letting Sony and Microsoft work on the Legacy version of the console game it is their consoles after all that the game is supposed to play on

[@Vedui42]

Legacy version was created (for) Telltale...years after they went bankrupt TFP I believe bought back the code/full rights. But by then there was no one around who knew the code or had worked on it, and resurrecting it from the dead would make no sense, it'd be a similar cost to simply porting the latest 7dtd to console which is what they did instead :) Imagine TFP spending a million dollars to work on the legacy 7dtd, when no one would buy it as people would just buy the new version.

[@Vedui42]

The original version was made by Telltale, but it was years after bankruptcy sold to TFP for undisclosed amount. But by then no one knew or was around that had worked on the code. Resurrecting it then would cost a lot of money, approaching the cost of simply porting the new pc 7dtd over to console which is what they did :)

[@mythron7270]

I don't think that the fun pimps like mods for their game the game by itself in vanilla is lame and that's why there's no mods for the console if you mod the game and it works good like Bethesda let the modding Community join in to make a better game and everyone's happy.

[@Vedui42]

You CAN do mods for console too. Look at I think Ark Survival Ascended which has console based mods too :)

[@SireDragonChester]

I think I have to agree. After 12+ years and they continue to stick with UNITY?!! Lol. As we know. Unity ceo had bunch ppl fired/laid off, then they tried go greedy and tired charged devs/studio every time any body re-installed any UNITY game. The devs and studio would be charged. That didn’t go over well with the gaming and devs community. And we got huge backlash. The former CEO owner of unity was ex EA employer who wanted charge games every time they reload clip in gun. EA would get money for it. Lol glad he was fired/forced out from unity. But damage is done. Nobody/no developers or even gamers will ever trust unity again. IMO the Fun Pimps (7days devs) should abandon Unity and move over UE 5.4. Another year or more to port/move everything over UE5+ would been wiser choice. Would been well worth the wait Imo. Unity game engine is shit. I’ve Net seen ANY unity game not run well. Even subnatica devs have switch over UE 5.+ for their next subnatica game. Consider the game still has a lot issue/bugs that been ignore for years and performance has gotten worst ever since alpha 17 and never gotten better. The devs made so many promises that still haven’t been done. I don’t agree with devs charging higher price even if it’s beta now. That SHOULDN’T happens until game moves out beta Till official launch. On pc and consoles. And now game/devs are jacking the price up as if the game was moving out alpha and beta and it officially out. When that NOT the case. The Game just moving to beta and we still have not yet seen just how well beta (Alpha 22) runs on either pc or current gen console. The devs have said public in twitch stream years ago that there next game will most likely be using Unreal engine. And that was before UE5 was even known about. To move to 1.0 release seems like bad move. When game isn’t even close to being finished. I hope game runs better and they actually upgrade to newer version unity and updated vulkan.api. If not. The 7days has become a scam just make money. Time will tell if turns out be good or just another dumpster fire/cash grab.

[@Vedui42]

Unity is problematic on many levels. I didn't keep track of what the license ended up after #UnityGate, but I know the fallout was not pretty.

[@SireDragonChester]

@@Vedui42 yeah I hope Unity gets better but don’t have a lot faith they will. Time will tell I guess.

[@gelobledo]

I feel like them going to 1.0 then still having updates every year is still as it is now. The only thing they cant really change after going gold is core mechanics but I feel like they are still going to milk the game as long as they can. Would be nice if we could get updates and not have to start a new world every time. I just dont know anymore about this game. A update comes out and I play for about a week or two then move on. Just tired of update after update and failed features that might come next update. Love the game Im just tired boss.

[@Vedui42]

I hope they will keep the updates out! They have talked about trying to let saves work across version upgrades, there's discussions on the forums that it'll probably be possible.

[@klintbartle54]

When have TFP ever left well enough alone. Never. I seriously doubt that modders believe they will be done with 1.0 and never have to update their mods. never gonna happen so sad. And if they do. It will be another yet new idea that has popped up in their minds eye as a better idea. just not convienced they will not mess up yet again.

[@Vedui42]

I just hope 1.0 means it'll be easier for modders. Right now they carry a heavy load every alpha, which is why it takes months of work and testing to release their mods sometimes.

[@niblet112]

This game is fun with MODs, but that’s about it. I haven’t played it for months now though

[@Vedui42]

Undead Legacy is one of my fave :)

[@mythron7270]

I already bought the original console version and it was c*** at help of 15 and nobody at the time told anybody that they weren't saying nope nope nope and then they turned around and said oh, it's a hardware construction on the Xbox 1, so I bought an Xbox series acts. And the game still runs the same. And the new console version will run the same as the old console version.The only thing different is the name

[@Vedui42]

I think their cooperation with Telltale while it looked strong initially, has caused so much headache to console players they did not sign up for.

[@Tunnelfish2]

TBH, at this point, I don't care. I've quit this game due to the unfulfilled promises, changes that has ruined what used to be a genuine open world with an anything-goes choice of play style, into a restricted dungeon shooter and the developer's disdain for their own player base has been insulting. I will not support these devs ever again.

[@scottsmith4933]

Over dramatic, much!

[@RandomUser25122]

I paid for it ages ago and you can play whichever Alpha you want, so I play the ones I like. No one is forcing anyone to play any new changes. Alpha 16 is still one of my favourites.

[@DeezN00tz99]

@@scottsmith4933 no its valid, if you cant handle someone criticizing and stating facts that are proven with just google searches, you are one of those fanboys who think a company can do no wrong. Even the youtuber says they were misleading. Look at the roadmap and the history of this company, this is just a glorified price hike for a game still in alpha. They wont even allow comments on the video, please be an adult and call a spade a spade.

[@whatsevenhappening8295]

You are tripping lmao, the game is getting better and better, just move on then and stop complaining, it's not you're game anyway, the Devs can do whatever they want as long it ain't malicious

[@cookz-bs10gaming]

Yeh jus don’t re buy👍👍 Everybody I play with on console already baught it once, was shit then so why would we re buy it- I also bought it on pc way back when, but after their console shenanigans everyone I know has boycotted fun pimps- they will sell no where near as many copies this time round 😂

[@gippy101]

im thinkin they needed to 1.0 cause of the consoles

[@Vedui42]

I'm thinking that too :)

[@Fxrrxt2x]

Well, Rich has been known to be quite the blabbermouth when communicating with the fans, and you would always see Prime's disappointment or apprehensiveness when Rich would start talking about what their plans are and when we can expect them. They probably thought that their over transparency was a good and exciting thing, but... all it did was give the wrong impression.

[@Vedui42]

That's true, but this was obviously rehearsed by the way he was looking at a script to the side of the camera :)

[@Fxrrxt2x]

@@Vedui42 Oh, for sure! I was referring to all the developer live streams they've done over the years.

[@bcgambit80]

In today's age, terms like "Release, Alpha, Beta, Early Access, etc." are pretty much meaningless. I don't consider a game completely "released" until the developer stops releasing new content for it - anything else is just a cash grab.

[@Vedui42]

Yes to a degree. I think most people have at least a general "feeling" of whether it seems a game is 1.0 or whether it's a pile of crap posing as it :) Not to say 7dtd 1.0 is a pile of crap, but other games have been launched 1.0 being barely functional.

[@mythron7270]

The fun pimps can still save face if they would just let the modding Community work with the console version for the Legacy version that way people who bought that version won't be so upset and they will buy the next version do you know how many games I bought with the label Elder Scrolls Call of Duty all of the rest when they bury the console version for 7 Days to Die the original they are getting rid of a ton of fans

[@Vedui42]

It's sad for those who played and loved the original version.

[@mythron7270]

@@Vedui42 I remember when I bought the first one on the console and I fell in love with it day one and by the time I was in my 28th or 30th day half of my build was gone it didn't save the data and it started crashing every 5 minutes so I uninstalled reinstalled it and it continued to do the same thing ever since

[@Vedui42]

Yes. Console always had that md5 corruption ... and they were working on a fix when teltale folded :(

[@mythron7270]

The most pathetic part of seven days to die is Skyrim is older and they still have talking traders and their lips move.

[@Vedui42]

I think much of the issue is that if it was out in 2014 as originally intended, it'd be a great game. in 2024 and not complete, it struggles in comparison.

[@Whitewolf1984p]

Ok, Vedui42. The cost issue with the consol version is nothing to do with TFP. It's microsoft and Sony wanting such huge cuts for hosting the game on thier hardware. (Apple do the same thing) YOu also completely missed the other part of the price increase and that's being dishonest so shame on you. They are having a hefty sale before 1.0 to let fence sitters pick up the game for a bargain. And personally. I would 100% pay £40 for the game when 1.0 comes out if I didn't already have it. I have over 2000 hours in 7days to die (chump change for some I know) It is easily my most played game and thats going up against some £50-60 games that are 'feature complete' that I complete in a weekend and then never touch again. I think right now my cash to time value is like....£0.02p per hour or something like that. spend £40 on a night out (a quick night out mind...drinks are like £5-8 a go now) Or £40 for 2000 hours of entertainment. Be honest Vedui, do better bud. See you in 1.0

[@Vedui42]

Hello Whitewolf! The cost of console version absolutely has to do with TFP. I went to US Playstation store, which had games at 20, 30, 40 USD. Helldivers 2 for instance is 40 usd. XBOX has an even wider price range going down to 4-5 usd and up. Sony takes 10-30 % commission of sales, whereas Steam takes 30 %. Microsoft Store takes 30 %. There is no reason they could not have offered 7DTD for 30 US on console, raised the price on Steam to 30 US, and sold it. Other than of course, they think their sale profit in absolute $ will be higher this way. I don't blame them for wanting to make money. I do call out that the value proposition is hurting compared to other games as a result.

[@michaelbockert8280]

10+ years of updates and development, don't complain about any price.. they have earned it. Thousands of hours of entertainment for me is worth the price I paid.

[@Vedui42]

I think it's given us countless hours yes :)

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

They feel its ready for launch because the console makers demand it to be in a final form, Not an "Early Access" alpha. Its all a bunch of BS as usual.

[@Vedui42]

Yes, except... they then say they're going to add on to it. So everyone knows it's just marketing speak.

[@mythron7270]

Not another penny

[@Vedui42]

If you bought it already, yeah no need. Unless there's DLC.

[@dannydaye9449]

I am starting to wonder if I am not wrong...that this is actually good for console...maybe not so great for PC, but, you guys have working versions and mods so you won't cry sooo much they can't ignore you for two years or so....maybe more...you know how they are with finishing things. They kept the rights...and 7dtd was Telltales second most popular game EVER. TFP sold the rights to console ONCE (cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeap) because they wanted money to work on their passion project PC version. They are broke again....Think they will do that twice? Think Sony or MS will let them abuse their client base? gonna be interesting to see what happens.

[@Vedui42]

I hope console comes out soon, crossplay soon thereafter, and everyone keeps getting updates :)

[@garethrobinson6106]

$45 for a game with no story no bandits and its like playing ground hog day i wouldn't recommend $30. I can guarantee everyone this game gets old very quick and following this game and played it and never got over 4 hoard nights but managed to put thousands of hours into ark and conan, My opinion is wait untill this is for sale or dont buy.

[@donaldbott8331]

um it is on sale now.

[@garethrobinson6106]

@@donaldbott8331 if its more than $15 its a con

[@dieselgeezer18]

who gives a shit about a story. Its a survival game. You create your own rules. I have spent hundreds of hours on this game. Never gets boring

[@garethrobinson6106]

@@dieselgeezer18 lol some people like a pointless life.

[@dieselgeezer18]

@@garethrobinson6106 the point is to survive. And that can be done in different ways by creating your own rules. How is this pointless

[@mythron7270]

Too much gas lighting about this game. I will believe it when I see it. And I still won't pay for a new console version.

[@Vedui42]

They have shown off versions playing (and letting people play) on places like pax east, so it's there at least.

[@raxroc3887]

#NoBanditNoPlay! #NoBanditNoPlay! #NoBanditNoPlay! #NoBanditNoPlay! #NoBanditNoPlay! #NoBanditNoPlay! #NoBanditNoPlay! #NoBanditNoPlay! #NoBanditNoPlay! #NoBanditNoPlay!

[@Vedui42]

That'll be years :(

[@Gonadscratcher]

Wow this is both sad and bad. Their business model to date had been good. Users know that the game is always growing. Going to v1 means future changes will now be dlc, ie. Additional costs like every other game. Don't fool yourself to think otherwise. Paying for console users access is also wrong. If you are a console user then you pay for your software why should pc users subsidise console users! This is all going to be fubar. Ps i have over 2500hrs in 7d2d.

[@dannydaye9449]

uh...what? console player money paid for this game. they SOLD the rights to the console version of the game and had nothing to do with the port....why? because telltale had a reputation for throwing around more money than anyone else for properties. they wanted money to work on the PC version. I get tired of PC players shit talking without knowing what they are talking about. The game is not growing...the steam numbers show that. They got what they could out of PC players, but, face it, without mods, this game would have already died on PC.

[@Vedui42]

I hope it all ends up being part of the game for no additional cost :)

[@UNKNOWN-xt6ve]

I like the 1.0, it's a best version that i have been waiting for, someone don't like it? Then fucking quit, who's fucking care?

[@Vedui42]

If only it had bandits! ;)

[@moosedawg71]

Honestly, I give 2 💩 about console. I'm sick and tired of consoles being allowed to have exclusivity in games (Last of Us, Cyberpunk console drama anyone?) but then complaining if PC does the same thing. And more so when PC games get delayed or impacted because of a game developer's need to focus on console. Game developers shouldn't have to bend over backward to make a PC game for consoles, nor should they need to please console players. Sure, we've had our fair share of ports, but they're ALWAYS done half-assed and usually suck. Buying a console was THEIR choice, and if that means they don't get access to certain games, SO BE IT!

[@xbenxwilsonxhighlights7879]

Go cry to your mumma

[@chrismartel4078]

This could just as easily swing the other direction. Let's only make console games and if they decide to and have time/ money they can port to PC but no promises.

[@Vedui42]

Exclusivity is painful, and it is super annoying being on "one" console and not being able to play a particular game coz of that.

[@cookz-bs10gaming]

Any console player that bought this game before knows not to buy it again and if they do they should get their heads checked

[@Vedui42]

I think the main difference one might say is that TFP says they'll keep feature parity of console and PC, something which was never a goal for the old game.

[@ZackFist1864]

It doesn’t matter if they decided to launch the game out of no where, I still have buddies on PS5 waiting for this game to fully release, give us balanced pvp though

[@Vedui42]

PvP will always be a challenge, as the whole engine and networking is not setup to manage it properly.