7 Days to Die: ZOMBIE PROOF LAKE BASE for Alpha 20! | Totally Breaking the Zombie Horde!

[@lorddurden4189]

Keep focusing on water bases like this maybe the unfun nerfpimps will actually focus on fixing water while they are patching all the fun out of the game

[@brodriguez11000]

Navezgane had a boathouse in between two islands. I found in A19 even during horde night, as long as I didn't draw attention to myself, the zombies left it alone. I also didn't leave until the zombies cleared out (they were on the bottom, just standing around). I found the same in A20. This boathouse also had a quirk where using the interior ladders caused one to go to the bottom. Good for fixing things. Another quirk. Adjusting graphic settings makes it easier to see the bottom.

[@scipsgaming20]

They probably will just code zombies to spawn on users block, Knowing them that is.

[@SuperKREPSINIS]

Well in v1, can you still build zombie-free base on water or it will spawn zombies anyway?

[@feidry]

13:25 You just discovered a quick way to the bottom accidentally, Josh. Just ramp off it with your vehicle, pick it up and then build your pillar :D

[@avenguard9503]

I saw that too and thought that this gives a new use for the bike after you get to gas powered movement.

[@JaWoodle]

Oh shit, great call!

[@WackyStarfishh]

Saw that too!!

[@Kevlin0069]

Can't you still fly the gyrocopter around under water like a little submarine? I remember that was a thing before.

[@s12y6o24]

i thought the *exact* same thing when i saw this, and was checking the comments to see if anyone else did as well

[@professorzoom2740]

The Fun Pimps watching this video: "Damnit Woodle....Now we got more work to do.!"

[@sebione3576]

You know they do though lol

[@youtrades]

That, aaand, they're high fiving eachother for making the zomboids go under to take out the supports. Which is actually pitty thmart, nowhere should be safu, and you'd be risking your entire build...

[@Nathan35077]

Yeah I hate that they do that though. Like yes some people are going to cheese the game. But they should be able to! I mean if it’s incredibly broken then yeah maybe tweak it a bit, but let people have their fun! Let people play the game the way they want to. That’s what the game should be about. Options. Let us decide how to play.

[@robertnesbitt4556]

I remember hearing that the zombies only have a pathing limit of like 40 blocks and anything after that they go into destroy everything mode. So the pier was too far from the shore where the zombies were spawning for them to get a path to you. You could have make a cheeky single lane path from the shore to the pier for them to run on, or make the guardhouse a little closer to the shore 👍

[@kathrynck]

I've seen similar reporting. Although I think it may be more radius specific rather than path-block count. I could be wrong about that though. Like there may be a limit to how many chunks they'll look at.

[@bbbttt3548]

Josh: zombies can't spawn in water so let's build a lake house Devs: Welp time to fix that oversite. everyone else: Devs just let us play and fix the actual bugs.

[@JaWoodle]

Sorry in advance! lol

[@youtrades]

Lolol

[@dra6o0n]

Drowned zombies lol.

[@NickRoman]

They do call this an alpha, not a beta.

[@Loan--Wolf]

@@NickRoman this game will never reach beta if it does i will be shocked

[@The_Sykotik]

Woodle-Time!!! Also, seeing how beautiful this game had become makes me even more eager for console to get updated. This whole time i've been getting my fix vicariously through Woodle. It does also help that Woodle is kickass at entertainment and helps me suffocate that disparity of being unable to play this game. Keep doing what you do Josh 💜🖤💜🖤💜🖤

[@justindadswell8610]

Watched all of your videos that show water(success or not, or partially). But thank you for evolving my base. Was using the trader as my invincible area to eat cop's and demo blow up. You are showing me the mechanics to use water for a better outcome while still getting 2 to 3 levels per horde night. By your tests, less than 40 blocks-ish should be used for zombie pathing. I asked a question a few weeks ago about solving zombies blowing up and he solved it. Thank you my man. This won't be my base, as I want that juicy experience every horde night. But JaWoodle, you gave me the tools to both enjoy that horde experience and avoid the consequences. I would never have though of all this on my own. But you did help me break the game how I want to:)

[@painterlypotts]

Loving the story implication of a man waking up naked and alone, then deciding to go and build himself a lakehouse instead of dealing with zombies. Life goals right there! ...But also I would love to see Clocktower with a dragon around it. Big protective statue.

[@s12y6o24]

i kinda like the idea of building statues in 7 Days

[@FurlowT]

@@s12y6o24 Could do minecraft type statues, it would take a long time. BUT, you do have hell of a lot more shape options, so someone could really get creative.

[@brodriguez11000]

Navezgane boathouse actually is a good, starter base since it's relatively safe and isn't a mission POI. Plus, no materials needed. Only downside is the swimming to and fro. The islands nearby for material access.

[@aaronlagos5863]

15:42 I've said it before and I'll say it again. 7 days to die needs to have a baby with space engineers.

[@chad134]

I'm 2:00 in and I can tell you the magic number you need is 50 blocks, for blood moon zombies. Wandering hordes and screamers spawn farther out. I've actually built this base in my DF game with my friend. It's a bit over a week (on 1 hour days) to build it with frames. Edit: 27:00 Max pathing range is about 30 blocks. In alpha 18 I built a spiral stair case that went up 180 blocks before dropping them with wedge tips. I haven't tested that in alpha 19, but I have noticed some instances where they don't dig in alpha 19. I suspect to improve performance, they added a pathing range limit on the Z axis also. I know this is alpha 20, but might be worth a test.

[@jesternario]

If only you could build a zombie-proof treehouse. That'd be nice.

[@night23fox]

I miss that from a16

[@elvisoz1440]

Nice base. Jonah Birch built this exact concept on his Twitch stream along with one of the best Castle bases I have ever seen in 7 days. He also built a purpose fit zombie spawning tower nearby, so he could still fight the horde at the castle out in the lake. He had dirt blocks on top,of his tower spawn area so they spawned where he wanted them to, and then they followed the prebuilt, path perfectly. Nice work mate 👍🍺🦘

[@vanslanzerdefanel]

Im currently living in this type of base in Darkness Falls and my first thought when i saw this on my homepage was "goddamnit they are going to fix it now" lol. Also the "im too lazy to build the column to the bottom of the lake" my central pillar is 7x7 hollow and goes all the way to bedrock so i have an indoor staircase down to a bedrock mine. You can be a little extra in your builds :P

[@Ninsidhe]

Nice! I like this indeed

[@aladintobstar]

I also had issues with the horde as I was in the air at the time. When I reached my hordebase at like 22:30 only a handfull of zombies spawned at all and most of them where stuck at their spawnpoint...

[@JohnA...]

"like a big blade trap that doesn't murder things"... you mean like the normal blade traps after two zombies walk by and give them nasty looks.

[@stevenlocke9993]

Hey Josh just an FYI to help like you said about the ladders to assist the zombies on horde night before the guard house you could have entrance ladders from the water there's even a ladder access rail to make it look nice

[@JaWoodle]

Ohhh yeah nah that would work well then hey!

[@elevown]

ladders AND stairs i'd put in so any that went through the water would just come up top not go for the pillars- it should work.

[@inertboi]

Does anyone know have they improved/simplified finding zombies in Tier IV/V clear quests? I hated clearing out gigantic POIs only to find out I missed some and give up on the whole quest.

[@alexcarn1965]

I always have trouble getting the zombies to use ladders

[@SDon65011]

@@inertboi when going through a large poi properly, you shouldn't miss much. On the compass they show as red dots for the last 6ish

[@crazistuff7051]

Makes me think of that episode of ICARUS, with that crazy river base that caused the murder of many bears and near extinction of the wolf population. That's so good humaning Josh, murder all around for our own enjoyment, then take all that we see as our own. Can't wait to try to the base.

[@JaWoodle]

Hahahaha that was a good time

[@kathrynck]

In A18, i made a base with a friend on the island in the big lake on the Navezgane map. No matter how much we loaded the forges and such, we never got a single screamer there. We never tested riding out horde night there, as it's too much XP to pass up ;)

[@brodriguez11000]

A19 horde night they were at the bottom but didn't bother anything as long as one didn't draw any heat during horde night. Also waited a little for them to clear out after the night was over. With that said the occasional vulture would show up, and when I removed the land claim block one time, a zombie showed up on the pier.

[@Almafeta]

8:40 Thank you for pointing out ladder physics have higher pirority than water physics! I did some testing and found out if you build a track of ladder pieces sideways - and move along them - suddenly you're moving along underwater at ladder sprint speeds. There seem to be limits (ladders UNDER you don't count for this? Only ones to either side of you?) But this is a neat trick if you'd rather unload your bike, stuff your bike into your pockets, and swim across your (completely submerged) ladder pathway to your base.

[@pw6295]

Noticed the jeep fell quickly to the bottom...So could you use a bicycle or mini bike to build your foundation pillars and ladders!! Obviously picking up your vehicle each time.

[@georgeleslie9907]

Nice Josh Thank you

[@maryeli761]

How cool would it be to build a boat and travel through the ocean or lakes 🤟

[@burnout1256]

Hopefully the fun pimps implement decent water physics soon because that would be cool

[@maryeli761]

@@burnout1256 hell yeah! Imagine having a house boat or something as a traveling base!

[@donminic_fl7620]

@@burnout1256 maybe Alpha 35.....

[@crazychicken7125]

@@donminic_fl7620 probably more like 50, but we can hope

[@zombiecharger65]

This is the video that got water blocks removed from A21. Thanks, Josh!! 😂😂😂

[@Rexism7]

Heli pad base in middle of lake 😀

[@DAVE-ni7qn]

And the Muppet buys oceanfront property in Arizona.

[@PriMate]

This made me tingle, noice 👌

[@jeremycolon7337]

Not going to lie, i would love to see this base go against a proper horde, if the land was “mystically” cleared i could see this horde base possibly beating a late horde with 1-2 smg turrets to help gun down the bridge before demos and vultures when demos show up on later bases.

[@liammorrison7498]

Alright.. I love your experiments. From zombie 🧟‍♀️ baseball to plinko to demos everywhere! Time to build the ultimate jawoodle base! With all these new shapes you've been asking for since.... forever ;) get on it!

[@liammorrison7498]

Why not entire series :)

[@erlanderaisetharian8301]

what about underwater bunker for horde, build watertight and hay bale water out. Just don't remember if you can shoot through water or if bars, etc would keep water out. Almost6 makes me want to play again to experiment. lol

[@rojowell1ginger914]

TFPs: HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

[@avenguard9503]

This gave me the idea to test out the lake house in Navezgane (1600 W, 600N area) and seems if your on that when the horde starts, they wont spawn either. The land looks close enough, but never had a spawn appear the whole night.

[@brodriguez11000]

Spawn no, but they can walk to from the island.

[@billshintos]

Great information

[@JonatanRaven]

"You are cucumbered" is the funniest part!

[@EricHabib]

You can get more distance for support by adding supports a bit further down - like if you add |___||___| if the || is the main pylon and the others are kinda struts It's a bit silly, but as long as you keep them separate it significantly reduces how many support pylons you need

[@EricHabib]

I also wonder if the AI still tries to reach your height first through water, like if you put a separate pillar next to your main path that's just like an island but add a ladder or ramp from the water, will they climb onto it to try to get to you rather than wrecking your pillars? Or maybe just add a little ladder form the side of your bridge?

[@wolfish247]

Lakeage. Not to be mistaken with leakage.

[@jgoemat]

Distance is 30-50m. They will always spawn in that range

[@NannyOggins]

Good tip with the ladders, I struggle to build in water on the 1.18 console version. I like your style with the base, its modern and pretty cool.

[@400KrispyKremes]

Just wait till the vultures get to it. One hoard night of them spitting that green stuff on it, and it's underwater. Looks awesome, but I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it on a real hoard night. I'd be too scared to lose it. I just build into/onto preexisting buildings. Those are expendable, and you can even use a POI building and if the zombie birds rip it up you can get a mission on it and fix the whole place for free instantly. All that said. That base is awesome.

[@DaveTheTurd]

Looks like everything was coming up Joshlakehouse....

[@Loan--Wolf]

water might be a pain in the ass to work with but it sure as hell looks good now it used to look bad lol

[@onup1475]

Using ladder to override the water physics..... BRILLIANT! Now making a lake base is a possibility for me!

[@kalisthenes6650]

Niiice! Another game breaking horde base this is great! You should experiment with the diagonal security grate. It has full HP, can be shot through, connects on the diagonal and when you make zig zag stairs completely flummoxes the Jeffries. They see them as pathable but almost every time they jump they fall off. Have a run of 4 consecutive risers and they simply never reach the top. Basically they go a bit nuts and all gather around the stairs beautifully for some mollie goodness.

[@stevdor6146]

Cool trick mate, ladders help you get back up if you accidentally fall in so might just leave them there, its not like you are going to have horde zombies pathing up ladders anyways

[@stevdor6146]

You DO know you can press W while underwater to move 'in the direction you are facing' ie Up if you are looking up, and swim down using W while looking down. Plus holding Shift to deplete stamina faster/swim faster

[@stevdor6146]

13:25 vehicles ignore water molasses? I think you accidentally found the magic rock that lets you sink fastest

[@charlesReed239]

Awesome dude. Reminds me of the one where you could fly to a underwater base.

[@JaWoodle]

👀

[@charlesReed239]

@@JaWoodle ha! My bad. Didn't have my eyes on.

[@rawman44]

This is cool and all but can't you just completely turn off horde nights? I can't remember if you can or if it only lets you change the frequency

[@EvilNecroid]

um im confused. how come they go for the pillars in this but when u dumped them in a pool in jawoodle park they just swam around stupid?

[@sloth_PG]

Would ladders help with the underwater zeds?

[@yokoerik5487]

On land, covering the ground with a floor of plates about 60x60 would work too then ? Made of wood wouldn't make it all that expensive ... just a bit clearing work to do I guess

[@matthewarb9857]

Put tower next to land. I really like the idea.

[@Uradamus]

Zombies have a limited distance they can check for valid paths to you, if they can't find a path within that range they just take the shortest path directly towards you. So those ones spawning on the bank diagonal to the tower probably can't get a lock on along the bank and the bridge to the tower within their limited path searching range, so they instead opt to just dive on in and head straight for your position.

[@mechasmoke]

That's a pretty nice lake house! I enjoy watching you design new things in 7 Days. Keep up the good work man. Always love the videos!

[@brianher67]

You build a forcefield along the edge of the water so they focus on the bridge? :)

[@lawrencekraft106]

how does this work with feral senses on? would they be able to hear you from the shore?

[@KardinalZyn]

Great stuff as usual, Jawoodle! Thanks for stopping by the other night and dropping that 5 bomb! I appreciate you and hope you are having fun with Mischief Maker! ^_^

[@randybarker9571]

amazing lake base ftw.

[@primalsynergy2481]

great base maybe build the gate house at the start of the pier

[@midnightgunner9465]

Maybe put the gatehouse/horde base at the entrance on dry land. 🤔

[@AkodoKusamoto]

So there's a prebuilt structure next to trader Hugh in Navezgane on the lake that's basically this, but without the bridge. It's a great living space and probably could be made into this style of horde base real quick.

[@JaWoodle]

I should really play in Navezgane more often.... but also, nahhhh haha

[@brodriguez11000]

Getting use to swimming. Zombies would occasionally ambush one swimming to the bank. Also be careful taking apart prebuilds, so they don't collapse on you.

[@me-cx1gz]

what if you built a wall 5 blocks high partially around the bank to force the pathing to the bridge?

[@JaWoodle]

Maybe, but after them charging underwater I'm not as confident as I was

[@Waldorf-2020]

Me when A20 released: Hey! They brought lakes back. Awesome! Me today: 🤬 Stop spawning treasure chests under the freakin lake you stupid game! I'll never complain about stashes and treasures spawning underneath roads again. Yeah... that's a lie. 😁

[@alistorforgot2918]

I think if you take it all 1 block above the water the zombos may path better but not honestly sure. Fun stuff either way ladder blocks are soo handy :)

[@brandoku7003]

I really hope tfp don't mess with this, people should have the option to avoid the horde in a place of paradise.

[@AxleLotl]

Great video! Cheers for the tips! I believe the zombies only have a certain amount of blocks they can calculate to get to you, because of where they've spawned and how long that bridge is. It may be outside their parameters of what is a viable option, so destroying the area is their next magic trick. 🤷‍♂️

[@hatemonet]

If i remember correctly you use to be able to frame up until you were 54 blocks up and they didn't detect you i assumed when they fixed that that water didn't work, Great find..

[@1x4]

I worry about them fixing the water physics. Because when they do, you should be worried about what they're going to do to the zombies.

[@NickRoman]

Yeah, the stability color indicator is pretty cool, but it doesn't quite work yet.

[@gregorybowe9383]

What if you built a set of underwater stairs connecting to your defensive tower stairs ? Would the underwater zombies use them to climb up and out (seeing a path to reach you) instead of raging on your support pillars ?

[@maryeli761]

Josh you gotta get a water base 😬😂🤟

[@solidicone]

In a PvE environment, I always.. ALWAYS appreciate it when someone goes the extra mile to make their base look good. I always hated it on PvP servers on like Ark or even on 7 days to die.. bunch of goofy looking shoe boxes filled with layers and death traps. I love me some PvP but I also really enjoy base building in games like this, quite often if Im on a server with my friends Im the designated base builder. Typically play with 3-4 other people, I can have us a killer zombie proof base in a location like this where everyone has their own rooms and shared crafting areas.. vehicle parking spaces.. lots of automation if and when I can fit it places. Love it lol

[@Stiles2004]

Of course, using concrete frame shape thingies would mean not needed to upgrade underwater

[@erickrampitz8933]

An easier way to determine horde night spawning is to find a large, flat(ish) area. The road intersection south of Buzz's Bar in the desert on the Navezgane map is good. Place a block in the middle (about 10 blocks North of the actual intersection) to stand on, then turn off Zombie AI and start the horde night. They'll spawn in, but with no AI, they'll just stand there. Note where they are, kill all, and let more spawn in. Eventually you'll get enough data points to show that they spawn between 25 and 50 blocks from the player. And, as you pointed out, they do not spawn on player-placed blocks. This makes it possible to avoid the horde night zombies by filling in that 25-50 radius area with a layer of blocks. Easily doable before the first horde night. Of course, then you miss all the free XP....

[@leed.2081]

Josh you could also add a drawbridge 2-3 blocks infront of the garagedoor as extra protection incase a zombone does make it across the bridge ( just a thought)

[@robinda6746]

Thanks for the ladder trick, way cool 😊

[@ericdowns2948]

honest question. If your already putting a pillar under water, wouldnt it be a better idea to add extra pillars beside the one your doing to the extra support you would gain to build at the end of the pier?

[@howardadams7111]

Minus the side banks, a rousing success!

[@kerrypratt6077]

Build a ramp underwater for the zombies to path up to your gatehouse from the sides. If they can get out of the water then that should fix the pathing problems.

[@julianmorales3468]

Another banger, JaWoodle doesn’t miss

[@nopopshots2722]

Maybe the zombies can't path more than a set amount of blocks away from the player? or maybe the newst patch set them to attack the closest most vulnurable rather than height then vulnurable?

[@JaWoodle]

Not sure, they did not react how I thought they would

[@Elmoriel.]

Can you just build stairs from the lake bottom to your base?

[@DragonicTerror]

No zombies means no screamers. Super craft base!

[@Mike-bh9vs]

such a banger

[@XGN93]

IM SO PUMPED!!! my coffee and tokes may commence now got my phone nintendo switch stand to prop my phone tim hortons coffee and a grinder of some good green lets go !!! ALL FOR THE JAWOODLE VIDEO :)

[@thatbritishgamer]

the vault hatches were to strong so zombies saw taking down the bridge as the quicker option

[@Michael2137.]

Would it then be possible to control the spawns during a horde base? For example place a 3x3 platform in the middle of the water. Technically they should only spawn there if you are in proper distance.

[@timostipow3751]

Part of the reason that this kind of base works is because zombies can't spawn on player placed blocks. So building a platform for the zombies won't work as they won't spawn on it.

[@RichardRitenour0522]

I'm still waiting for submarines and boat, fishing boats and speed boats in this game ;)

[@TheCanadianLord]

your dude's in his silkies. wonder if you sink faster if you;re wearing heavy armor? .... would make building support just as hard. but at least you could get down there.

[@johnpatz8395]

I’ve looked, but couldn’t find it, but have you ever given us the details on this map seed so we could try it ourselves? If not, could you do so, as it seems like a great seed. After watching this video, and remembering your mention of the rotating parking spots for the garage made me think of an even better idea, or something TFP addition of rotating sections of structures could allow. Imagine building this lake base as your home, but the bridge heading to it wouldn’t just be a straight road, but not to far from shore would have a sections with two bridge sections, 90 degrees apart from each other. Thus in it’s regular position you drive across it to your base as you did here, but when you throw a switch that section of the bridge rotates 90 degrees, and now the road from the shore leads to a small, easily dependable, horde base. It would work, sort of as an advanced version of what you made, with the gate house, but with extra safety precautions, and you could have many more defenses setup, that you couldn’t on bridge you need to walk and drive on, such as blade traps and such. Worst case scenario for horde night, with this setup, would be that you would die, respawn inside your lake house,and the remaining Z’s at the horde base start trying to find their way to you, and you could snipe the remaining zed’s while they are still on the bridge, and because of your distance from shore no more would spawn.

[@chrisandrews6185]

This video was pure inspiration. You are brilliant!

[@sikanz6453]

I once had a base with an escape tunnel Into a lake, just for when my base got over run, worked a treat

[@imintricate]

This looks interesting 👌

[@shortar15]

I didn't test it but did notice the fastest way to the bottom was ride the vehicle the jeep sinks like lead bricks I would guess the bikes may as well. just ride off the end and build up blocks and ladders I think it would speed up the build right?

[@Zonker66]

Okay, I just went into creative and built a stack 60 high of the cheaest temp wood blocks and started horde night... not a scratch. When did THAT happen?

[@jwonner81]

Wondering if you built the guard house closer to shore if it would would

[@candybetta4061]

Reminds me of having invincible lake bases in the Forest

[@MrFly757]

The forest was my inspiration for trying the same technique on 7 days 😅

[@Lothaenorixius]

Well. If you go through all that trouble to build that peer, removing some of the shoreline to get rid of the spots that stick out wouldn't be out of the question... You should test that build again but do some landscaping on the shore to see if that gets rid of the spawn points.

[@JaWoodle]

That or just building a board walk so they can't spawn on placed blocks would work

[@tyraelpl]

Fix water physics?! More like start making them...

[@Voorhees-Jason]

a rotor system that actually interacts with things in the world would be heavy load in multiplayer alot of unforeseen things can happen. Space engineers struggle with this. The blade traps is just an animation that runs and there is a code that says "If animation is on, then cause damage to anything that goes near it" A true rotor or piston system not sure if they want to mess with that horse lol

[@dra6o0n]

Zombie spawn distance is actually very meager, they despawn if you go too far away for a little too long lol.

[@abbienormals1669]

Are there any blocks we can use for zombie-proof walls with all the new blocks they added?

[@s12y6o24]

i heard the steeper ramps could work, but haven't tried it yet myself

[@AUDasha]

Woot!