7 Huge Plot Holes That Get Worse the More You Think About Them: Commenter Edition

Why doesn't Booker escape on that airship in BioShock Infinite? Why don't they make a bunch more Grey Wardens in Dragon Age: Origins? What's with the werewolves running wild in [REDACTED]? Contemplate the hugest plot holes that get worse the more you think about them in this follow-up video, with the best suggestions from the comments of the original.
7 Huge Plot Holes That Get Worse the More You Think About Them
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[@Jabogers]

I would like to point out that for Dragon Age, you need a drop of Archdemon blood for the Joining, and Alistair and the Warden were never informed of that fact, nor do they have any. If they just tried to make people chug regular darkspawn blood, that would have just created a bunch of ghouls.

[@daviddaugherty2816]

Alistair also mentions it involves other magic he didn’t understand. Not for a second did I question why we couldn't do the Joining.

[@Diannetopf]

I came here to say this. Alistair and your warden don't actually know how to recreate the ceremony. Only Duncan knew and he died. The Orlesian wardens knew but Logain wouldn't acknowledge it was a blight and refused proper warden reinforcement.

[@martinsriber7760]

It isn't about those two, but order as whole.

[@Renanbso]

@@martinsriber7760 The order is foreign to Ferelden, Loghain closed the borders to the Orlesian Wardens as Ferelden had just fought a war with them

[@diri_birb]

@@martinsriber7760 but, who except those two + riordan would have had the chance to make more wardens during the game? Loghain didn't trust any Orlesians, including the Wardens, and didn't let them in Ferelden. Ferelden had only recently unbanned the Grey Wardens (so the Wardens that died in the beginning of the game were mostly Orlesian, which is also one of the reasons why Loghain decided to abandon them to their deaths), so the instructions for the ritual probably wouldn't have been easily available to the two in the first place. I guess Riordan could have done it, but considering that he's available to do so late in the game, so close to the final battle, trying to make new wardens with a ritual that kills most of the people undergoing it when they're going to need every capable person fighting the darkspawn army soon isn't really the smartest course of action. Even when Loghain undergoes the joining, it is basically a sentence he's given: either he dies or he spends the rest of his life as a Grey Warden.

[@danielvital6836]

As someone who has played Dragon Age Origins A LOT, this is actually addressed in the game. When you meet Riordan, he straight up tells you why you can’t. They had the ingredients and everything locked in away in a vault. He said there isn’t enough ingredients and time to make more (I guess they found enough to make one). Also it’s explained that Alistair is a new Warden and doesn’t actually know how to make the potion for the joining as it’s more than just dark spawn blood (the recipe was locked away by Howe and Loghain).

[@robertagu5533]

Yeah AND it's ALSO said to be VERY VERY risky even for Warden candidates they believed in verse that even if an army of candidates shows up vast majority WOULD die during the "tainting" ceremony...

[@LeRoiEnJaune]

Also also: it's dicey from a character standpoint. Alistair and the Warden both did it, sure, but they were desperate. Going around to prisons and gutters to find people desperate enough for a crusade is a tall order in the first instance; add to it that you'd be knowingly condemning ~30% or so to an immediate death is very different. It's no wonder that, even if they could, our protags might not jump at the opportunity.

[@eddythefool]

Plus they need lyrium and help from the mages to get the ritual ready. It's assumed Duncan had Ferelden's supply of Archdemon blood since that's what Riordan tells you if suggest making more recruits so they couldn't make any more recruits until right before the last battle since we can assume that's when the small amount of supplies they were able to get finally arrived to allow for the secret companion to join the forces as a Grey Warden.

[@Joe90h]

Also also on top of people just straight up dropping dead for even trying, Grey Wardens have the stink of Darkspawn AND mage about them to most common folk, so society isn't exactly brimming with masses of people clamouring to become Grey Wardens.

[@dawnmcauley6411]

There's an optional (and rather obscure) dialogue you can have Riordan in Eamon's estate. There he tells you exactly what you need for the ritual: darkspawn blood (duh,) which is enriched with lyrium, and Archdemon blood (technically, only Archdemon is necessary, it's my personal theory that's how the first Wardens were made with Dumat's blood, but regular Darkspawn blood can be and is used when it's enriched by lyrium and small amounts of Archdemon blood.)

[@brandonsz7937]

That is a damning non-answer, Amy Rose

[@Panimal98]

I understood that reference.

[@zackcoggins9752]

She doesn't even give talking heads a chance to clip out the answer. She actually didn't answer at all.

[@Joe90h]

Amy Rose only agreed to go to Prison Island if there was no fact checking.

[@zackcoggins9752]

@@Joe90h - For her. Her opponent must be fact checked even when not wrong, and she must never be.

[@DC_Prox]

The Zelda thing with the vase isn't a plot hole, it's a paradox. It's the same as the eyeglasses in the fourth Star Trek movie: Bones gives Kirk the glasses as a gift, then they travel to the past and Kirk sells the glasses because the crew needs money. The main reason I don't think it counts as a plot hole is that it isn't a mistake that got missed, the writers did it on purpose. A traditional plot hole is something that they missed, a mistake that results from someone not noticing a contradiction. I think the Zelda crew knew exactly what they were doing.

[@Mini_Squatch]

yeah its a self fulfilling paradox

[@SlaveKnightGael1579]

There’s a much bigger plot hole in BioShock Infinite I’m surprised nobody touched on. In the Burial at Sea DLC it’s made clear the the booker in Rapture who is killed by Elizabeth is the last one in the entire multiverse. Yet later in the DLC you return to Columbia briefly, which shouldn’t even exist because there’s no longer any Comstocks to build it.

[@dmolmalowski]

Ugh, burial at sea was terrible and a mess imo. Just pretend it doesn't exist, it seems like they just wanted to throw in assets they didn't have time to include in the main game

[@martinsriber7760]

That would be true if she killed Comstock of that reality before he built Columbia.

[@SlaveKnightGael1579]

@@martinsriber7760 I haven’t played Infinite in years, but doesn’t she kill them before they turn into Comstock?

[@martinsriber7760]

@@SlaveKnightGael1579 If she did, why would she kill one in Rapture after he became Comstock?

[@ChristophBrinkmann]

Columbia happens in the early 20th century. Rapture another 30+ years after that

[@Adamago1]

One of the "secret herbs and spices" in the Joining blend is actually a drop of Archdemon blood, something kind of hard to come by. And even if that weren't extraordinarily hard to get at the best of times, the brand new Grey Warden protagonist wouldn't know that. And even Alistair, if aware, might not be keen on experimenting to create the right concoction. So... not really a plot hole.

[@Macrochenia]

Alistair straight up tells you that he doesn't know how everything that's needed for The Joining.

[@terrivel11]

Doesn’t Alistair explicitly say that he **doesn’t know how to prepare the ritual** or something like that? Maybe he doesn’t have/can’t get the materials needed. The only reason you can do it later is because a much more veteran Warden, in the form of Riordan did it for you.

[@shotgunshells2]

The ritual needs two types of darkspawn blood, standard blood from any spawn, and Archdemon blood. The archdemon blood supply is under lock and key, and had been seized by Logain.

[@eddythefool]

​@@shotgunshells2 I doubt it was seized. More likely destroyed if Duncan was carrying it since the Grey Warden vault was a secret to everyone.

[@eddythefool]

Also they needed lyrium and other things that Alistair didn't know about since the mages helped Duncan set up your joining.

[@stevecole90099]

1. Bioshock. The most realistic thing about that game is that Booker gets so caught up in his current mission to help Vox that the thought of stealing a different airship never crosses his mind. I think we've all had days like that.

[@waltlock8805]

I think he also wanted to get back to the "original" timeline. That part of the game gets confusing...

[@kittykattofdoom]

Iirc the Hacketts only use the cages during the 2 months the camp is in operation and let caleb, Kaylee, and chris run wild to lead them back to Silas on all other full moons. The campers were supposed to be gone but were delayed at sundown so chris left to try and get Kaylee and Caleb in the cages but it was too late.

[@terradraca]

Dragon age: You do create more wardens in the expansion. So the obvious answer is "There wasn't time."

[@snorpenbass4196]

And also "didn't know the ritual or all the necessary ingredients."

[@Veelofar]

It’s also not a sure thing. They try to make 3 at the start and only 1 survives. No guarantee you’d get any out of a ritual concocted by two new people

[@dexblade9553]

Actually it was never a plot hole. There is book that kinda explains it. The Grey wardens were banished prior to the start. They were only recently allowed back in. Their numbers were monitored.

[@ChristophBrinkmann]

​@@dexblade9553 If a plot hole needs a book to explain it, it's still a plot hole

[@SaganTheKhajiit]

Also the whole being outlawed and persecuted by the then regent of the kingdom.

[@vineylfc]

No, Mike... The basement is lit red because they're all enthusiastic amateur photographers!

[@DirgeTV]

How big do they need their photo processing room to be?

[@michaelmanherz7918]

There’s another big plot hole in The Quarry. In the game they say that the summer camp ran for two months. Meaning that during the time camp was in session there was one full moon. One chapter even acknowledged this by showing what an imprisoned cursed person did that night. So my question is where were the campers and counselors during that full moon? Did the go on an overnight field trip? Were they sent back home for at least that night? They never acknowledge what happened at the camp that night.

[@snorpenbass4196]

Went on a trip to Transsylvania to hang out with the relatives? 😉🤣

[@EdwardBennetts]

Summer camps can take on multiple groups of guests in one summer season (after all, 2 months of summer camp would be a LONG trip away from home for kids that young), so I imagine that the full moon is when they switched the groups. As for the campers? I imagine Chris Hackett just locked himself in the storm shelter so nobody could hear him. In the prologue, Laura and Max's discovery of him shows that he generally keeps quiet down there. When it comes to the second group leaving, Chris is more annoyed by the campers not having left yet because he only mentally prepares for one night of that kind of risk a year, and because he's worried that something's gone wrong because his brother isn't responding to phone calls. Idk. That's the best I can come up with.

[@PazuzuDeamon4horsemen]

You are correct ​@@EdwardBennetts

[@jardex2275]

They mention that it was between sessions, I believe. All the kids had already gone home, and the counselors were somewhere else.

[@skalty9868]

Summer camps usually run in 1 to 2 week sessions, with mostly new campers each time. So I imagine it could’ve happened between sessions

[@HonestMagpie]

Did they acknowledge the massive plothole of Arkham Knight in the first one, where the Arkham Knight "Knows Batman SO well" but all of his tanks, which are meant to kill Batman, are unmanned? Put literally any living creature in them and Batman can't blow them up, so why is the Arkham Knight leaving them all unmanned? This has always annoyed the hell out of me.

[@Silverheart575]

The oracle of ages is the textbook definition of the bootstrap paradox. Not really a plot hole. I'd say that it's probably sctually intentional

[@ChristophBrinkmann]

Well yeah it was intentional. They designed the game that way. Still a paradox and a plot hole

[@Bronzescorpion]

@@ChristophBrinkmann Not a plot hole. There is no error or inconsistency. The vase is a in a weird time loophole, but it fits with the logic presented in the story.

[@tomasrolter6729]

As for Bioshock, as far as I remember, only the "First Lady" was strong enough to fly to any of the cities.

[@stinkertonsden]

Was just about to come into the comments to say this. The one that Booker takes out was a gunship, shorter range with guns/armaments rather than long distance stability and fuel capability.

[@filmandfirearms]

Yeah, trying to fly that little thing would be like trying to cross the Atlantic in a Huey. A perfectly good aircraft built for a completely different purpose

[@camharkness]

Yeah, this video was pretty..... Bad imo. A lot of the plot holes aren't even plot holes if you actually just pay attention.

[@MunchKING]

@@stinkertonsden I hadn't played BioShock, but I guessed that was the answer.

[@ChristophBrinkmann]

​@@camharkness Yep, Marion definitely was always going to end up in Egypt. Perfect sense

[@relicking9207]

Amy could've also just been arrested like Sonic was, she just broke out, was trying to figure out a way off when she got attacked by Eggman and realized Sonic was present somewhere.

[@SgtSupaman]

Being menaced by monsters really is the primary function of a camp counselor, but we try to refrain from calling them that and just refer to them as "kids" so as not to upset their parents.

[@Michael_Lindell]

Hey! Being a Grey Warden Tain't that bad.

[@ptonpc]

Tain't that a shame....

[@catoninetales]

My theory? Amy Rose is a monomaniacal psychopath for Sonic and committed a massive crime, turned herself in, got her sent to the island as a prisoner, broke out herself, then acted all innocent in front of Tails. Sounds like a legend, honestly. The new Joker movie should have been about *her*

[@carlsiouxfalls]

Between the death rate of those attempting the joining, the lack of knowledge on how to exactly make the Warden-making concoction, the lack of appropriate ingredients, etc. It seems like the Dragon Age inclusion on this particular list seems misplaced.

[@YoungAce904]

I always do an involuntary double take whenever the intro goes long enough to get to those extra piano notes

[@lnsflare1]

You know, Amy Rose being a G.U.N. plant *would* explain where she got the money for her groceries.

[@ApetureTestSubject]

The only way the Goron Vase paradox thing makes sense is if, in the intervening centuries, someone accidentally smashed the vase and made a new identical one, passing it off as the original. If not, that's just the same vase going round and round in time infinitely, getting infinitely older while having no origin.

[@Herowebcomics]

...Yeah! How DID Amy get on prison island?! Tail's mechsuit has only one seat! ...Maybe she hammer vaulted?😅

[@unverifiedapk]

Pretty sure Amy was just a stowaway on Eggman's ship. That's why he said he'd let her go at the end of the boss fight.

[@zachtwilightwindwaker596]

Well that would explain how she got there.

[@isenokami7810]

What ship? Eggman didn’t seem to have a ship. I just assumed he teleported there with Shadow and Rouge. And that line was very clearly directed at Tails, not Amy, very much a “don’t think you actually beat me” line.

[@zachtwilightwindwaker596]

@@isenokami7810 He had one before.

[@glitchkrieg768]

Did y'all forget that most people die when subjected to drinking darkspawn blood? The Grey Wardens didn't just take anybody, for good reason. Only those that were willing and had already proved themselves capable, or those that had already forfeited their lives. More than half of all new recruits die during the joining. This isn't a plot hole, it's a very intrinsic part of the story.

[@glitchkrieg768]

To put a finer point on it, if even only half of the people were to die from trying to become a Grey Warden, an army of 10,000 soldiers seems to me to be a far greater prospect than 5,000 Grey Wardens surrounded by 5,000 corpses of their brethren.

[@glitchkrieg768]

Not to mention the fact that becoming a Grey Warden is quite literally a death sentence. No one lives for more than a few years, a decade at most, after joining the order.

[@carlsiouxfalls]

Yeah, that seems like a convenient omission to make it onto this list.

[@daviddaugherty2816]

Not only that, but neither you nor Alistair actually know how to _do_ the Joining. It's more complicated than shown, as Alistair even mentions if asked.

[@mitrovarr]

​@glitchkrieg768 not to mention that people tend to freak out and panic when they see someone die during the joining, as in the tutorial section.

[@Minilena]

Ooh Oracle of Ages isn't a game you see every week in the spoiler list! My first ever Zelda game ❤

[@zachtwilightwindwaker596]

It's also my first.

[@Mad_Possum]

I like how everyone has their own entry point for Zelda games mine was twilight princess

[@Jeremiah12thLvlGeek]

I love the emphasis Jane added to, "Master their taint!"

[@madmanwithaplan1826]

I mean for the Quarry it's kind of obvious why they're out there in the middle of the woods they're hunting for Wolf boy. And they're hoping to use Kaylee and Caleb's werewolf senses to track him down. Also I think the cages are a new addition since somebody got infected and they decided that they needed something more preventative then chaining them up in the basement.

[@terencedigan3932]

I love games that are predicated on, what are not necessarily plot holes, but very, very loose relationships with how reality works. Like how in Rollercoaster Tycoon, you can build a park full of unfinished rollercoasters that kill every single person who rides them and, for some reason, you are still allowed to continue running an amusement park and you won’t be spending the rest of your life behind bars.

[@gak9319]

One of the ingredients for the joining ritual is Archdemon blood, bit hard to come by. What little was left in Ferelden is destroyed by Logahin😅 Guess Riordan brought some more with him?🤔

[@tb1271]

"Making him the worst spree killers in US history"... You forgot to add, "to date."

[@Dream146]

Why don't they recruit more grey wardens? I imagine the 50% survival rate of the initiation or maybe the drastically reduced lifespan might have something to do with it but who's to say?

[@cyanimation1605]

Yeah but if there's a zombie apocalypse happening, any warrior worth a damn should be lining up to stop it in whatever way they can.

[@Veelofar]

Less than 50% survival rate. 2/3 died in your joining, and it was put on by Duncan, who’s done it before. Neither of the two remaining have done more than just participate. There isn’t even a guarantee that you’d even get 1 survivor out of any given ritual

[@spacejesus6581]

@@cyanimation1605so I’m guessing you’ve never played the game since the Wardens are named as guilty for killing the king at the start of the game, you and Alistair need to basically hide from the law for the entire game and try not to be public about being the biggest enemies to the nation Plus there’s the entire idea that as far as anyone knows there’s nothing that makes Grey Wardens special, they’re just dedicated to fighting Darkspawn, the whole ritual isn’t common knowledge and only the most powerful people know there’s a ritual at all, and they still don’t know what happens in it

[@stephenadams8712]

3:37 "or summer" so true Mike

[@mooniejohnson]

Always trust in Nintendo’s ability to insert bootstrap paradoxes into every Zelda game.

[@seraphonica]

Mike, really? "Why was Marion in a coffin?" followed by "Marion canonically died!" I think you're missing the forest for the trees, here...

[@joshuareesor1756]

Amy did have some sneaking skills and stealth gameplay in Adventure 1, so maybe she just tapped into her inner Solid Snake and snuck onto the island (presumably on a GUN vehicle).

[@glazed32]

I love bio shock infinite hits the feels and the sound design is ear candy! it’s hella confusing but still really fucking good!

[@SolaScientia]

It's one of my favorite games ever still. The ending is one of my favorites of any game. However, I despise the alarm that sounds when an airship is going down. I hate it so much I actually flinched back from my laptop as soon I heard it in the clip, brief as it was.

[@joffcallaghan]

Tbf, the girlfriend in Double Dragon 2 is called Marian where as the girlfriend in Double Dragon 3 is called Marion. So they're either dating a new person with a very similar name, or we've got a Simpsons 'Snowball II' situation at play.

[@danielcook7975]

Different translation of name, also they are wrong it is actually revealed in DD2 that Marion actually survived her supposed death At least from what I read of devs confirming such but it could have changed

[@zachtwilightwindwaker596]

@@danielcook7975 So the second game isn't the last one in the timeline?

[@Ryu_D]

I have a potential solution for the goron vase paradox. Presumably, the goron in the past would have commissioned an heirloom, since he was interested in getting one anyway. You just happened to bring one from the future, causing a sort of temporal zigzag, leading to a timeline where he already had it. It then turns back into a loop until the vase breaks down, at which point the goron who has it at the time presumably commissions and identical vase, and passes that down, leading to a sort of time spiral (either that, or it zigzags back and forth to the same couple of timelines. Either way, it works just fine).

[@crafterofdoom]

how about: that vase came from the future, Link traded it for some Goronade. its just a simple time paradox, not a plothole, we can surmise the entire history of the object.

[@MaxWeb2599]

One of the biggest plot holes in pokémon is chairman roses plan. He used an extremely amount of effort and recourses to open an portal to summon an legendary pokémon that most likely would have destroyed the world, just to use it as an energy recourse for the region. The problem with that is that in the second dlc we got the legendary named Regieleki, who not only doesn't would destroy the world but also has an entry in which it's said that it could produce enough electricity for the whole region.

[@burnin8able]

I feel like a bigger plot hole in Sonic Adventure 2 is how the hell anyone could ever possibly mistake Sonic for Shadow in the first place.

[@Oderus_Urungus]

For Dragon age origins: 1) Neither you or Alistair know how to do the joining 2) They don't have the ingredients, and once Riordan shows up he only had enough supplies for one 3) Alistair says the only way he knew to contact other Wardens was to travel to weisshaupt fortress on the other side of the continent

[@archellothewolf2083]

Hang on. I wanna cover the Dragon Age one, because if my memory serves, it's not actually a plot hole. Also I'm a nerd with nothing better to do than write an essay about one of my favorite videogames in the comment section of every KZbin video that mentions it. 1- Simply put, you need a magic ritual to prepare the tainted blood so it can be "safely" imbibed by a potential warden. This is a secret ritual from an incredibly secretive order, and would only be known to high ranking Grey Wardens or a maybe a few select Circle mages. Most of those people died in Ostegar or during the demon invasion at The Tower. Simply put, without the ritual, the darkspawn taint will just poison whoever drinks it. No Ritual = no Grey Wardens. 2- The reason Riordan (the third Grey Warden) was in Fereldan was because he snuck over the boarder to see what heppened to the Fereldan Wardens. The wardens knew there was a lot of darkspawn activity in southern Fereldan but then suddenly stopped hearing from the Fereldan Wardens (because they'd been wiped out). When they went to do their duty and check what was going on, they were turned away at the border because Logain, Hero of Fereldan, had claimed the Grey Wardens had betrayed the king and gotten him killed and had declared ALL Grey Wardens criminals and exiles. 3- I can't remember if it was a codex or if it was mentioned in a quest during the Awakening DLC but the Grey Wardens DO keep a small stockpile of already prepared falactaries with darkspawn blood that had already gone through the ritual just in case of emergencies. That said, it should be mentioned again that the Grey Wardens are an incredibly secretive order and don't tell these things to their new recruits. Ridoran was a senior warden, having joined the same time that Duncan did, which is why he knew where such a stockpile would be, and how he knew why a Grey Warden has to be the one to slay an Archdemon. In summery as to why they couldn't make more Grey Wardens: The ability to make the Grey Warden secret sauce is more secret than the Krabby Patty formula. Everybody in the country who knows that secret is currently dead. Everybody outside the country who knows the secret is immediately imprisoned and/or executed on entry. And the VERY limited supply of secret sauce that's ready for use is kept in a secret stash whoes location is only known by the afore mentioned dead people. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk. Love youyr guys' content.

[@dawnmcauley6411]

The ritual is to enrich regular darkspawn blood's potency. The Joining is essentially immunization, ingest a massive amount of amount of taint and either gain (temporary) immunity or die. Even then, enriched darkspawn blood isn't enough on it's own, Archdemon blood is actually necessary (a small amount is added by the senior warden during the Joining.) Riordan does know this (and is even willing to tell the Warden if asked at Eamon's estate) but the Ferelden Grey Warden vault is under lockdown and by the time Loghain is dealt with, there isn't time to prepare more darkspawn blood.

[@Kafaldsbylur]

IIRC also, Grey Wardens aren't *that* much better at fighting Darkspawn than regular soldiers. Obviously you need at least one to finish off the Archdemon, but aside from that, all they really get is Darkspawn radar and resistance to the Taint. 100 soldiers will do more good against the Blights than 25 Grey Wardens (apparently, the survival rate is stated to be ~1/4 in the RPG books)

[@archellothewolf2083]

@@Kafaldsbylur I think they're not better warriors than the adverage person on an individual level but they are better specifically at fighting darkspawn. Mostly because they can detect dark spawn and thus prepare for ambushes or avoid large groups, allowing them to pick their fights more effectively. And more senior Grey Wardens simply have more expereince fighting them. Like, someone who hunts deer is going to be better at hunting deer than his buddy who's only hunted quail before.

[@RedTail1-1]

You wasted your time writing all that nonsense... A dozen other people had already wrote the same crap. They just didn't take a college essay to do it.

[@Richforce1]

1: It was also to get the Vox Populi off his back, because not only would he have an airship, but the Vox also wouldn't have one to chase him with. 2: if they locked themselves in, what's to keep them from unlocking themselves out? 3: I think it had more to do with finding suitable candidates, most of those that might be acceptable are either dead, evil, or insane; sometimes all three. 6: Amy just swam in knowing where Sonic was instinctively, and Piko Piko hammered any poor schlubs who tried to arrest her.

[@TransDragon]

The Grey Warden thing is 1 because it's a terrible fate becoming a Grey Warden because they always die early whether killed trying to stop the darkspawn or being called into the deep roads and 2 because most people are killed from the joining ritual, only a few can survive it.

[@OmegaGamer1989]

The bootstrap paradox isnt a plot hole. The answer to "where did the Goron vase come from" is simply "that's not a valid question." It's like asking "what is the last digit of infinity? Or "where does a circle end?" It's a nonsense question. A circle has no end, and no beginning; it's a loop. A line segment has a beginning and end, a circle or loop does not. The Goron vase exists in a closed loop. It would only be a plot hole if that broke the time travel rules that the Zelda franchise operates on... Which it doesn't.

[@rosiefletcher]

Genuinely impressive that this whole episode isn’t just Bioshock Infinite, that is more hole than plot

[@rosiefletcher]

why doesn’t Elizabeth know she’s Comstock’s daughter if she’s being groomed to be his heir why does the device age Comstock but not the Luteces

[@dmolmalowski]

​@@rosiefletcherNot all follow up rulers are necessarily related. The information at her disposal was limited. As for the brother and sister can we be sure it didn't, we don't have a control non affected version to observe.

[@hollyswoods]

An infinite amount of holes

[@LivingGuy484]

Especially when you use image search 👀

[@dmolmalowski]

Also If they didn't destroy that airship in the battle isnt likely it could have been taken over again by pro comstock troops?

[@Haysey_Draws]

Well i feel like an idiot, i thought this was 7 worst POT HOLES!

[@FredCDobbs-rd5wi]

There's another plot hole in Dragon Age Origins regarding the Grey Warden "joining" ritual. A big deal is made of the fact that the ritual is a secret and that this is because the Grey Wardens don't want anyone to know that attempting it is often fatal. Grey Warden Duncan even kills a man who tries to back out at the last minute because "there is no turning back" once they're privy to the secret. Yet when the Loghain becomes a potential recruit during the Landsmeet, Queen Anora says to packed room that the ritual is often fatal. How does she know this? There's no logical reason why she would. The ritual being a big secret is completely forgotten about in the Awakenings DLC, where you can recruit 5 new wardens.

[@spacejesus6581]

Just because something isn’t common knowledge doesn’t mean the ruler of a nation wouldn’t know it, and knowing that there’s a ritual with a chance to kill isn’t exactly threatening to a room of nobles who would never enlist, the secret is only so the common folk when recruited don’t expect anything wrong

[@dmolmalowski]

Im not sure that the specific air ship in this scene would have been correct for the journey. The one they were after looked like it was capable of sufficent sppeds

[@AccidentalNinja]

Another problem with Dragon Age: Origins' lack of Grey Wardens: in the dwarf royal backstory, you can have a son. In the time between that night & whenever you return, the son is born, which is at least nine months, assuming that dwarf gestation is the same as human gestation. That's enough time to send word to Grey Wardens in other lands & get more in to deal with the new Blight.

[@cyanimation1605]

That's only assuming Orzammar is the first thing you tackle once you can. I think canonically it would be one of the last treaty quests because you're very strongly urged to do Redcliffe first, which directly leads into The Urn of Sacred Ashes, and then the Circle of Magi quest which gets you to the halfway point of the game right there. 2. I want to say the timeframe from Ostagar to The Landsmeet is stated to be about a year, and I'm fairly certain Varric says a year passes between DA2's prologue and Act 1, and the Blight has subsided and Anders, Bodhan, and Sandal are already in Kirkwall so Awakening and even Witch Hunt are over (since Sandal was in Ferelden for Witch Hunt). so from the offscreen attack on Lothering right after you visit it to the end of even Witch Hunt is a timeframe close enough to 1 year that Varric rounds down, AND you have to account for the stated 6 month gap between Origins and Awakening, so Awakening, Amgarrak, and Witch Hunt must happen pretty quick. So if Ostagar to Denerim is 1 year, Denerim to Awakening is 6 months, and mixed in there, Lothering to well past the end of Awakening is 1 year, most of that 9 months would've taken place during Ostagar/Flemeth's hut/Lothering/Whatever else you do before Orzammar. So no, I don't think that's enough time to get word out around the world that the Wardens need backup. My brain hurts and this timeline doesn't make sense.

[@DivineNaruto]

They were literally banned until very recently and the only other wardens were from orlais, the same place loghain had banned from entering ferelden.

[@armelior4610]

I think it's said at some point (by Riordan ?) there is a group of Orlesian wardens ready to come but they're stuck at the frontier as long as Loghain is in charge

[@spacejesus6581]

The entire game takes place over a single year and some quests act like it’s been 9 months while others act like it’s been 2 weeks The reason wardens don’t show up is because there were thousands of elite soldiers and hundreds of wardens at the Ferelden border, but Loghain turned them away and made them leave, in response the grey wardens across the world simply wrote off Ferelden as a lost cause and prepared their defenses for when the blight came their way What you just said isn’t a plot hole at all, it’s intentionally part of the plot to show how Loghain is a power mad narcissistic coward and how the Wardens elsewhere are very pragmatic

[@VonBlade]

7:27 I was genuinely concerned there. A1 acting Miss Douglas. Next year you won't just be presenting BAFTAs, you'll be receiving one.

[@razgriz821]

Disappointed you put dragon age here when it was explained why we couldnt make more wardens. Disappointed more that Jane didnt fact check this, being a dragon age fan herself.

[@Lumias7]

When I saw Dragon age origins I thought it was going to be why did the grey wardens and kings forces not use the ramparts to give themselves a huge advantage instead of going up against A much larger force with no defensive structures. They flat out didn't have the arch demon blood or recipe to make more wardens.

[@armelior4610]

I'm guessing the king's tactical acumen comes from movies : frontal charge is the only way 😄

[@spacejesus6581]

@@armelior4610the plan was for Cailen’s small force to charge up front and make the darkspawn overextend and be cocky, and then Loghain’s much larger force would charge from the flank and catch the darkspawn by surprise But King Cailen insisted on fighting on the field like a moron, the darkspawn took the signal tower so Loghain’s signal was too late, and Loghain retreated instead of charging allowing the king to die

[@fungalmage3336]

The airship issue in Bioshock Infinite always bugged me. There are at least dozens of other airships around, even small ones, which could get you away from Columbia. Additionally, Booker has no tact whatsoever in dealing with Elizabeth. He could easily explain to her that before they can head to Paris, they need to make a brief stop in New York, where his employers want to meet her. He's not necessarily even lying about that. "Bring us the girl and wipe away the debt" is a very grim way to describe the job, but it's only as insidious as you make it.

[@Scorpodael]

Other comments have pointed out that only the First Lady had the range they needed.

[@fungalmage3336]

@@Scorpodael the airship doesn't need to take you all the way there, just safely to the ground. I had considered that as well, seeing as the First Lady is the pride of their fleet, but the priority for Booker and Elizabeth is to get away from Columbia first and foremost. Why didn't they just safely fly downwards? The answer is simple: to move the rest of the plot forward lol

[@dorianthegray]

Another sort of key point in bioshock is that booker doesn't know what the heck is going on because canonically, traveling to alternate dimensions muddles you up super bad, and he does that a lot in the game, so I'm not surprised he's talking nonsense and missing obvious escape routes.

[@joenesvick7043]

Rambo didn't even kill that guy, gravity did lol 🤪, and that guy totally took his seatbelt off. I never played the game, but the character did kill more in the book So I was playing Mass Effect 3, at the end of Priority Rannoch, Commander Bastilia Shepard said to Admiral Shala'Raan vas Tonbay: "I heard you made a crash landing!" Uh, well, I totally missed what she's referencing every time. I remember Shala'Raan talking about a pursuit, but I don't recall hearing what Shepard claimed to hear

[@varunchaturvedi2581]

Ooh, the final boss of the Elden Ring DLC Shadow of the Erdtree is a giant plothole too! It makes no sense at all with the established lore of the base game and just seems a shoehorned attempt at bringing back a popular character. Obviously all Fromsoft games have convoluted lore but I'll try my best to explain concisely why - basically the game at the end claims there was some vow between Radahn and Miquella, and it involved the former becoming the latter's consort after the latter's ascent to godhood. It is also revealed that the climactic clash between Radahn and Malenia was to facilitate said vow - by dying, Radahn's soul could be revived by Miquella in the spirit world to suit his needs. But the problem is, the vow makes zero sense. If Radahn didn't consent to the vow, why would Miquella not just use his extremely well-documented powers of enchantment rather than waste his sister's army? And if he did consent...why fight at all? And why near Sellia of all places, which Radahn is specifically stated to want to protect? And it gets worse! An NPC reveals to you that she was personally healed by Miquella himself at Caelid after the war. Which means...Miquella was right there when his sister lay broken and defeated after the battle, and ignored her to instead heal some rando? AND ALSO IGNORED RADAHN, THE ENTIRE REASON THE WAR WAS FOUGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE? I don't know man, FromSoft lore is often vague, but rarely this nonsensical. Even leaving aside the story issues, it makes no thematic sense - especially the actions of Miquella, supposedly the focal character of the DLC. Which stings more since this is probably the last Elden Ring content we'll ever get.

[@reide96]

"We don't have camp. Or summer." Deep cut, Mike. Deep cut.

[@IAmTheAce5]

"Scrolling through your phone during a movie" Jane, you're not the worst, there just needs to be better movies.

[@ismarwinkelman5648]

Agreed 100%

[@JonathanLundkvist]

8:44 If you are going to point out all the plot holes, you are going to be here all week.

[@SgtSupaman]

I like how the video "hand-selected" by Andy isn't even the one that pops up. Instead of the loophole solutions video, it's a games killed by lawyers video.

[@madisonmcclure8243]

Don’t worry, Marian! It’s just an evil spell that brainwashes you!”

[@notmousse]

New York *is* that bad.

[@1003JustinLaw]

Video promised: hand selected by Luke about genius loopholes for game puzzles Video that popped up for me: games you can’t play anymore because lawyers

[@lordphinix3]

Perhaps in the timeline where link doesn’t give him the vase the goron buys it a year later from a traveling merchant or something.

[@tsnap4]

When it comes to Dragon Age: Origins: Duncan does mention that Circle Mages had been prepping the ritual, possibly implying that additional prep work was needed beyond just drinking darkspawn blood. In addition, I seem to recall the Grey Wardens being labelled as traitors by Logain as supposedly "let the king die" or some such nonsense, meaning Alistair, even if he knew how to do the ritual couldn't really set up a recruiting booth.

[@kieranpriest9609]

It seems like the inclusion of the Bioshock entry is a bit of a dunk on Dob. “You’ve destroyed the airship Booker, what’s phase 2?”

[@MystLunarabne]

13:24 Actually there is a fairly simple solution for that, one of the ancestors could've accidentally broken the vase and then went to purchase a replacement and coincidentally found a merchant selling a vase that looks almost identical.

[@DarkDesperado25]

How about a list of inexplicably powerful weapons, like Lincoln's Repeater from Fallout 3. Where a rifle from the 1800s manages to compete with not only more modern firearms but also laser and plasma weapons. I guess that's the power of 'Murica

[@cphtfluke7565]

Wasn't Amy following Shadow from a distance, thinking he was Sonic?

[@caffeinateddice1652]

Jane, you could be the person who doesn't pay attention to the film and asks obnoxious questions and I'd still watch movies with you

[@MarvinPowell1]

I always assumed the one airship didn't have enough fuel or the proper coordinates to make to New York. It'd be like choosing to either steal an SUV or stealing a Ford Pinto. And in Double Dragon II, that was clearly _Marian_ with two A's. Apparently, they're twins and only one Marian died in the second game, but _Marion_ with an O, is the one from the third game!

[@edaraujo2169]

There is a plot hole on the in the mass effect trillogy. At the first scene of the Illusive Man in ME2 you can see Miranda phisically in the space station with him. Not a cline or a hologram, literally her in person. Then in ME3 considering Miranda survive the suicide mission she knows the location of that stationary spacestation (judgung by the same sun behind the station in all the games). Why she didn't tell us the location of that base and had us figure it out by tracking Kai Leng all the way back to the Illusive Man's headquarters?

[@NivMizzet89]

That's easily explainable, there's plenty of ways the Illusive Man could've arranged for her visit without letting her know the location. Most obvious one is simply having any ship pick her up and simply don't show her the travel coordinates.

[@spacejesus6581]

Out of all the massive plot holes in the trilogy, you pick the one that’s explained in game as The Illusive Man having multiple facilities Seriously the trilogy is packed with too many giant plot holes to count and that’s the one you go with? Not the conduit making no sense, not the arrival dlc ignoring rules already made and making no timeline sense, not the Geth (specifically Legion) completely changing what they want in life between ME2 and ME3, not the Reapers being a hive mind retcon, not the main Reaper AI being in the Citadel all along…

[@michaelt482]

During the Grey Warden Joining ritual you need more than just darkspawn blood. You also need a drop of archdemon blood, which you don’t have

[@JoshuaEisenbart]

DQIV: The Zenithian equipment supposedly can only be worn by those with Zenithian blood (aka, the hero). However, the game also says that the first king of Burland used the shield to defend his fledgling kingdom, and the armor was worn by a hero of the town of Bath. According to the game, the hero is the first and only person in the world to have both human and Zenithian blood, as it is strictly forbidden by the Zenithian Dragon for Zenithians to even show themselves to humans, much less have kids.

[@krvgames9258]

I think somebody should tell him that Marian is brought back to life at the end of the NES version of Double Dragon 2 and has stayed alive ever since.

[@dcbandit]

My theory is that Amy bummed a ride with Robotnik, in that he wouldn't know she was there, and he was then angry when she revealed herself when Tails arrived.

[@SgtSupaman]

The thing with the Legend of Zelda games is that they don't treat time as an immutable loop that can be moved in freely, but, instead, as shifting moments of access (presumably where beings are unique in their existence, as we have never seen any time duplicates). Link changing things in the past has clear effects on his path in the future (which, assuming looped time, would be a paradox in and of itself, because, if he needed to go back to change something, then went back and changed it to a way that benefits him, he wouldn't have needed to go back and change it in the first place, so he wouldn't go, and it wouldn't be changed, and so on). So, this apparent paradox is fairly easy to rectify in that light, because history happened a certain way before Link got there, meaning that someone else (we don't know who) created the vase (and possibly still will without realizing the vase now already exists, which will result in two of them), but Link took it back to a time before the earlier goron got it. So, the vase that the later goron traded originally wasn't the one Link possessed. In the new future, time has already passed the point of the vase being traded, so future Link never got back the vase he gave away, and the other vase (if it was created) will exist somewhere else because whoever did make it originally would not have given it to the goron.

[@Christopher-md7tf]

Booker DeWitt still sounds like an SNL Keenan Thompson character to me lol

[@Xindiel]

neither alistair nor the player character knew about the process of making the joining drink, and if they did it includes archdemon blood, whcih they did not have access to

[@chavamara]

Regarding Amy Rose, you NEVER ask a stalker for their secrets... you never know when you'll trigger a yandere...

[@AngelBeatYunara]

Taint Mastered is simply the Grey Wardens' version of Business Handled.

[@ryanmaxwell7816]

Already seen a lot of Dragon Age comments down below talking about the ritual but I'll chip in with the logistical side of it too: A; you ideally need well trained fighters/mages who B; are willing to do the joining ritual which might just kill them instantly and who C; are willing to accept their life being dedicated to fighting Darkspawn for a few years before they are D; sent into the Deeproads to die fighting before the corruption turns them. Not so easy to find people willing to make such huge sacrifices, especially give how secretive the order is about why the Wardens are vital to counter the Darkspawn.

[@terencedigan3932]

This would be a fun list: Plot Holes That Just Make The Game More Fun.

[@aeloswindrunner]

Not always scrolling your phone Jane, the borderlands review video outed you as falling asleep during it :p

[@Rich-fr2yv]

The BioShock one could pretty easily be explained as a range issue. The original ship could be suitable for intercontinental travel, and the gunship isn't. The game says nothing about it, but it could

[@hansok77]

Jak 2 has a problem like this. At the beginning of the game, the metal head leader appears to recognize a grown up Jak, but then later in the game you kill the metal head leader before he can go through the rift gate. So where did the metal heads come from? The opening makes it seem like they came from the future, but they only exist in the future because they went to the past. Huh?

[@vvevv88]

This entire list could be Bioshock Infinite. Props for restraint.

[@bugg6597]

One of the biggest plot holes in gaming is saravok in baldurs gate 3, one of the biggest games. Didn’t make either of these plot hole lists? Him exiting in baldurs gate 3 and bhaal is the biggest plot hole in D&D

[@KaitouKaiju]

How is it a plot hole?

[@bugg6597]

@@KaitouKaiju so you don’t know the story of baldurs gate 2…saravok turned good, helped your player rid bhaal permanently. Only the most important D&D writing ever, as it decided the fate of the D&D players play now, tabletop and game wise. Not only did they bring Saravok back, but they completely undid all his character growth and reset him to his page 1 baldurs gate 1 form. And this historically a bad literally choice, to retcon, bring dead characters back and remove all their character growth. And again, makes the biggest plot hole in D&D as the story between the chosen, Saravok and Bhaal set the framework for the future, this was not something to bungle. Wizards of the coast is mad at Larium for doing this as they have to handle the fallout of ripping a massive hole in the lore, larium gets to walk away from the plothole they made. Not a good shake when handling the most important D&D story

[@cyanimation1605]

I've been playing Portal again recently. Chell is the only test subject Glados has at the time of the game, yet she repeatedly puts her in danger and then tries to incinerate her when Chell's done nothing wrong. The co-op robots weren't ready yet, all the other humans were dead or missing, but Glados exists only to oversee testing and needs to scratch "the itch" and constantly watch someone solving tests, but she was ready to kill off her only test subject. Some people have argued that Chell had just completed all the tests, so she's useless now that she knows how to solve them. Yet we the player know how to solve them and still play the game repeatedly, doing the advanced maps and time/step/portal challenges. Glados says in P2 she never stockpiled chambers, but she can still make them quickly and there were at LEAST the ones in the first half of the second game that must've existed at that time.

[@oxfanblink4115]

Slight correction Mike Max is the werewolf not Caleb or Kaylee who kills you as Emma if you open the attic/fail to escape due to failing the qtes. And you either run out of lives as her or refuse to use them. Albeit accidentally by his remorseful reaction if you as him find her body and see the attack on her phone near the end of the game

[@l0stndamned]

Simple answer to the Sonic one: GUN are incompetent and failed to notice a pink hedgehog on one of their transports.

[@lordbucketgod8786]

any video with jane its a good video

[@jamesherb4384]

the grey warden ritial is actually more complicated than that. you need preserved archdemon blood on top of the dark spawn blood, and a mage who practices blood magic.

[@littlebear274]

I'm going to be generous and say that the Link time travel one isn't a plot hole because it's a well-known paradox where the whole *point* is that it doesn't make logical sense.

[@armelior4610]

About the Double Dragon one, I'm more interested how Cleopatra seems to be 3.5 meters high. I'm guessing she's an alien, as everyone knows they made the pyramids

[@incredibleflameboy]

It doesn't make rambo "one of" the worst spree killer, it makes him the worst spree killer in American history.

[@draygoon69]

I got it. In Double Dragon, after his girlfriend is killed her spirit is then transferred into the body of the ancient Egyptian princess that was locked away because his girlfriend was actually a descendant. It still makes no sense but at least its all connected.

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

In the sonic case, shadow used to be much more like sonic in early models, and they did not have time to fix the script