7 Phases of the $10,000 72v SUR RON Rabbit Hole

Here's my financial descent down the Sur Ron upgrade rabbit hole. Is spending the cash worth it, or is the Sur Ron just a 😏 "money pit bike"?
The electric bike upgrades in this video shows my personal journey in owning a Sur Ron and the phases I went through and what upgrades I decided were appropriate at what point in ownership. These phases aren't really in any particular order, but I think most people who buy a Sur Ron e-bike consider many of the upgrades I did to mine.
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[@WALTERRIFIC]

This is how I feel about my electric dual sport motorcycle. The real difference between them is that one can legally be on roadways and the other can legally be on walkways.

[@Mattratt14]

Yea also cost of tax title license is a con for a real bike.

[@mikayla_collie]

and its wayyyy easier for something that is legal to ride on the sidewalk, to also ride on the the street, then the other way around. lol

[@dreknows]

In Florida you can ride them

[@Jbmc65]

@@Mattratt14, not to mention insurance, Over here in Ontario Canada they make you pay for insurance all year while you can not safely ride your bike Dec, Jan, Feb and half of Mar, sometimes all of March

[@AlanKelly-nm9lx]

ya like right now here eh bro! lol @@Jbmc65

[@jasper_of_puppets]

As one who rides both motorcycles and mountain (e)bikes AND just bought a Surron X, I'm happy keeping the powertrain stock. It fits so perfectly between a bicycle and a full-sized motorcycle. For urban exploration, it really is the best of both worlds.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

This is what is known as "phase 1" of the rabbit hole, please report back in a month or two 😉

[@jasper_of_puppets]

@@JuicedJoyrides hahahha. I think my "Phase 2" will end up being me buying the Surron Ultra Bee 🐝 (while keeping the LBX, of course 😉 )

[@fatboynip]

How much range do you guys get stock? Wonder how much more range you can get with just a 72v battery 🤔

[@jasper_of_puppets]

@@fatboynip I haven't gone on a proper offroad ride yet, but around the city, I've been getting about 30 miles with around 20% battery left or so.

[@fatboynip]

@@jasper_of_puppets damn that’s not bad. I’m actually considering the talaria if I get an ebike.

[@estebanfranco8955]

I am lucky enough to have both and can tell you this is not a replacement for a motorcycle. I do take it on nearby trails and the local store, but I try and stay off the street as much as possible

[@JuicedJoyrides]

True, I’ve owned a few motorcycles in the past and I totally agree, both are awesome 😜

[@Dojautlopez]

Exactly the surron is the best for trails and worth every time

[@michaelenglund]

Sure no ordinary motorcycle but it is fun.

[@LORDTREVORTON]

Electric is perfect for you, it matches your Hair bun 👵

[@chrisvig123]

Bicycle performance with motorcycle price 😅

[@russwoodward8251]

Oh dude! It's not just the Suron! We will upgrade, improve, add accessories and improve ANY ride we get on. It's been in the nature of guys and gals and their rides since the hot-rod days. Great vid, once again. Thanks.

[@ilovetacos210]

I swear this is my midlife crisis hobby. It's simple, it's fun, and it takes me back to my childhood. I love working on cars too, but there's just something calming about modding an eBike vs. the daunting task of modding a car.

[@user-yv8kd2jo2x]

You have one life and its short. Do what makes you happy and have no regrets.

[@benmeans4700]

This isn’t a e-bike genius, it’s an e-motorcycle.

[@user-yv8kd2jo2x]

@@benmeans4700 nice comment genius. So what's the difference?

[@evanmeece]

@@user-yv8kd2jo2x Truer words have never been spoken !

[@NickPCage]

@@user-yv8kd2jo2x pedals

[@halhirst2624]

The reality of the limitations of electrical storage capacity and cost effectiveness. Nice to see somebody address this honestly. I'm sure things will improve over time , but the limitations at this point for day to day use in almost every aspect are only plausible for urban dwellers. Good video, take care.

[@keokio7]

love the journey. I know if i get it'll be a 72v $10k monster like yours, but for that $10k i can get a serious super sport bike. I just can't pull the trigger

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆 I know right

[@brlo8090]

Insurance

[@zeroh_chill2966]

Everything has it’s place. People say the same thing with all the toys I have. Why have a CanAm SXS when it costs as much as a jeep? Why own a powered Kayak when it costs as much as a boat? Why own a electric bike when it costs as much a motorcycle? … Why? Because i also already own everything you’re comparing it to 1, but also, you can’t take a boat on a non motorized lake. You can’t ride the mountains in the morning and be home by lunch in a Jeep. You can’t ride a super sport street bike on a sidewalk or on a MTB downhill trail from a ski slope. Point is, everything has a place for those with an open mind and the love of anything on wheels.

[@808Affliction]

Just buy a Grom or a Z125 bro.

[@andrewdibben1916]

@@brlo8090 insurance on pretty much any bike costs nearly nothing

[@604cpr]

I think the main reasons the SurRon is so popular are the modularity, and that you can do things with it in places you couldn’t with a gas bike

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Definitely

[@BallBiter56]

Gas bikes dont need insane upgrades to go fast or be street legal, yall just waste insane amounts of money 😑, just buy a ktm 450 for 11k and it will go over 100 mph if yall really want speed.

[@eiskrie2313]

​@@BallBiter56 Have you ever ridden a Sur ron? Probably not. I have all kinds of vehicles, motorcycle 1000cc, 500cc, V8 650HP car etc. even an airplane. But the Sur ron is something completely different. It's super expensive, but the riding is completely different and it redefines the feeling of freedom. Unlike normal motorcycles, you can ride this thing to places that are completely different, but at the same time you can go to all the places that a normal motorcycle is limited to. People are so much more chill and relaxed when youre on a Sur Ron then on normal Gas driven bikes. This Bike just has unbelievable tolerance for bystanders. For example, I ride my Sur Ron mainly on hiking trails or cinematic bike paths, which I would never do or get to otherwise (People would complain alot). The acceleration on an 80V Sur ron is incredible, sure I've ridden bikes that can do it faster, but they're not as light as a Sur ron at 50kg which just rides so differently. All in all, when I got my first motorbike, I thought, wow, this is freedom! But the Sur Ron somehow gave me more of a sense of freedom than any other bike, especially when stealth camping. The only problem is the range anxiety that comes with it. A gas bike never gives me the feeling of reaching a certain limit like the Sur Ron does. My normal trip with the Surron is to put it in the back of my Defender and ride it into the mountains and hike all day until I can't anymore (the battery lasts longer than I do). it's fun and very different than anything before.

[@RP-xb3vh]

“Fuck yeah it was!!!” 🤙🏻 it’s unique!! Way more versatile than any gas bike! You can go anywhere! I’m $10k deep into mine with no regrets!

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆 heck yeah, yolo 🤙 happy riding dude!

[@slembever]

pretty much spot on with the emotions after buying my surron, ive just upgraded the battery for more range, power is good enough for trail riding, but i,d take a 125 cc for actually going somewhere

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆 nice, yeah no range anxiety with that gas bike. This electric bike is the perfect weapon for around here.

[@chrispewkreme]

I’ve owned and ridden pretty much every style of motorcycle/dirt bike. And yet the Sur Ron is still somehow the most fun. You can simply take it places you never could with a gas bike. It’ll never replace a dirt bike or a motorcycle. But it’s a great option to have.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

totally agree

[@hannes5633]

thats why Im just selling my motorcycle I bought just two months ago and get the surron instead. I made the motorcycle license because I love riding mountainbikes but hate to paddle (were I live its very flat). I thought combining my love for car driving and my love for mountainbikes and getting a motorcycle would be awesome, but I just dont get comfortable with my motorcycle. Driving fast without much protection with traffic just feels too dangerous and is not for me. For me its way more fun to drive offroad, ride around a sharp corner while feeling the wheel losing grip and than accelerate out of the corner with spinning wheels. You dont get that feeling on a motorcycle. I think the surron is the better compromise for me and I cant wait to get my hands on one of these and explore all the woods in my city

[@kingderpington6082]

You acting like you cant just take a motorcycle where you are going with the sur ron. Its just as illegal to ride your motorcycle where ever you take your sur ron, if anything probably less illegal.

[@jcasaubon]

Man.. I was gonna buy an aventon.. found this video.. watch all the videos on this channel and went down a surron/talaria video rabbit hole for a few weeks.. just bought a talaria!Lol thanks for the videos.. you saved me from a boring future! Lol

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😂 😂 I’m so happy to read this comment! Enjoy!

[@malingehring165]

I found your piece very educational. Yes, it is human nature to always want "a little more". I am older than all of you, and have learned about all the tricks with all the hobbies.... RC planes, Archery, photography.. et al, et al.. I am the one always annoying people to NOT "upgrade" their $300 Jetson Bolt Pro. Thankfully my ebikes are all stock, with the only upgrade is "adding" a second battery for greater range, and the extra batteries can be swapped across all the bikes. You are a mature man admitting your learning experience. .

[@tacticooldennis]

I have a 72v Alibaba Stealth bomber clone, and I can feel the urge to upgrade all the parts, but at least I only started at 3k so it doesn't hurt as much. You could easily put another 6k into any hobby. And sure you could get a dirtbike instead, but try to rip that up some trails or streets and people will have the cops on speed dial.

[@ChrisCrossingWires1212]

ill do one better start with the Bomber clone with right parts from the beginning spin 5K Build everything and smoke everything including motorcycles

[@turboleggy]

​@ChrisCrossingWires1212 how?

[@dustinbohl5102]

Dude I have never had some one literally layout what my brain went through for the last 2 months... And my bike hasn't even arrived yet! Ended up with 54t sprocket, Shimano pads, new chain, etc... Obviously looking at controller now... You honestly couldn't have made a better video

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😂 thanks dude 🤑 enjoy the journey!

[@iMoreno]

All you said is absolutely true haha. In light on recent years of owning A LOT of two wheelers, I realize that I had spent more on my bikes(roadbike, mtb, bmx, touring etc) and ebikes than on my actual motorbikes 😂 And I just recently preordered the Talaria Sting R MX4 🤦🏻‍♂️ This is another start of an adventure 💸

[@ItalianMetalHED]

i bought the same bike and already having a blast. stock power is 65v and 8kwatts with nice top speed (cut that wire of course) now i want to take it to trails.

[@lowridr2]

not gonna like money comes and goes but the fun of thinking about upgrades and anticipating them enjoying them out weighs the money i had the same bug for RC cars during the pandemic and spent thousands on a single 1 upgrading to the max

[@ictpilot]

Here's a novel idea, upgrade the brakes first. You can never get things stopped fast enough. 😁

[@deybysp1]

Fuck yeah! 🤣 Not surprised it's different experience when you I'm coming from no motorcycle owner ship or any bike owner ship I in general for sure

[@indigenoussober407]

You were not kidding about the Rabbit Hole. This is something I would do too, and that's a little worrying.

[@ungratefulninja4535]

Great video!. I'm actually okay with the stock speed & range. Most every place I need to be & or joy ride is within 10 miles. I only plan on upgrading my pegs, handle bars, tires, brakes, seat & adding decals for this coming riding season. ☮️

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆 I remember when I was saying that same thing! Thanks and happy riding dude!

[@ungratefulninja4535]

@@JuicedJoyrides no doubt 😁 but I feel like if I'm going to drop 10k, I might as well get a motorcycle.

[@trustyourgutter]

phase 1

[@ungratefulninja4535]

@@trustyourgutter phase 1 & done😁

[@ItalianMetalHED]

we all say that at first, im this guy only with computer upgrades lol

[@JordanDaFatMan]

Just bought my surron today. Cant wait for it to arrive!

[@fpsWagz]

Aye bro I don’t know if you’ll see this but how is it ? I’m looking to get one and after 1 year how would rate it ? 1-10 ect thanks a lot

[@timbuckthe2nd642]

love your video! you deserve millions of views! just got my Surron Light bee X and I think ill stick with stock. It's just perfect for my purposes. It's the perfect in-between bicycle and motorcycle.

[@rey_nemaattori]

The Surron is just an ridiculously fast ebike, it's not designed to travel far, it's designed to be versatile. It's get you everywhere in a city quick, shortcuts on bikepaths, sidewalks, and you have the option to go out and enjoy nature.

[@SimonatMac]

This video was so much fun. Describing all the longings a human experiences 😊

[@summit-photo]

I bought two dirt bikes - Honda 125 and Kawasaki 65. All in 4 grand total for both bikes, both run amazing. When ebikes become more of a value, im in! They look so dope

[@daygostunna326]

Get them now, the prices are going to raise not lower.

[@stevemarshall8505]

@@daygostunna326 Electric/electronic products have always become less expensive over time. Or more accurately, better value for the same money, as the components become cheaper to produce. Top end stuff now will be mid-grade or lower in just a few years.

[@scottdemoor49]

I took a test ride on the HD E-bike. 3,500 dollars. Well gotta tell you not to much thought went into my choice. I ended up paying 5,000 but got a most amazing the Yamaha Super Tennere 1200 Adventure bike. Best bike I ever owned. Ever. I cruise to the mountains alot. Run the single track trails, twistes, and explore to my hearts content. Best thing it only cost a couple bucks a week in fuel( premium, that sucks but okay). I can go and go and go. It doesn't ever get old. I would have hated myself if I went electric.

[@universeheatdeath]

I feel like the surron and bikes like it are a great mix between traditional bikes and motorcycles and should be treated as such. They aren’t powerful enough for main roads and highways/long distance trips etc, but WAYYY better for commuting than a traditional bike which is more meant for short trips/exercise purposes

[@JuicedJoyrides]

This is spot on, that’s exactly how I feel

[@4touchdowns1game29]

They are powerful enough they just need a taller gear. If my grom can go on the freeway this thing should have no problem with the right gearing lol.

[@Overmotor]

@@4touchdowns1game29 Well, yea what I think he meant was that they aren't designed for highway use. The bike only weighs between 100-130lbs where as a grom is about 230lbs. If a car flew by a Surron it would just push it over

[@X-GamerPro-HD]

As a SurRon rider myself…I’d go with SurRon, in my perspective it’s fast and worth the money and you can afford it. It’s a good price. If you want more speed then go for the high up ones. But it’s up to you.

[@NickPCage]

SurRon looks amazing and light i'd rather buy it and mod it for faster speed.

[@chuckytrue]

You almost got me at the end there I was scared 😂💯 Sur Ron is 🔥

[@Wowzerz00]

Sweet video! From what I see, the only thing left to upgrade is the motor and brake disc! I'm torn between Sur Ron vs Solar E-Clipse. The only downside to Solar E-Clipse is there are no aftermarket parts for it.

[@wesb9546]

Dude it was great meeting you last year and taking shop about your bike for a minute. I love this video bc it perfectly describes the rabbit hole I know I’d go down with this purchase.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Thanks man, it was great meeting you and chatting too, it’s a fun rabbit hole 😆 you were the guy by the beach in Santa Monica if I remember correctly

[@wesb9546]

@@JuicedJoyrides yep, I was out running. Cool to see your channel pick up so much steam! Keep ‘em coming!

[@BimmerWon]

The pros of an e-bike is that you don’t need a plate in a lot of places and can ride more places without attracting attention from the police. Plus it’s a pretty quiet ride.

[@choiceblade]

"...and now you can ride your BICYCLE 70 mph..." this was great. You are uncommonly frank. Thank you.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

🙏

[@kaifps4509]

I love watching these videos but be careful on these bikes I just had a crash on mine it’s completely gone and I’m badly injured and can barely walk be safe

[@petronioaznar]

This is the best sur ron summary I have seen and helps a lot to us people wanting to get into this hobby to...just get a Storm Bee.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Thanks dude, also consider the new ultra bee, benefit of this is its small and light and blends in with bikes

[@josephcalato2786]

Cops will treat an ultra or storm the same as a dirtbike as they are sold as one in the same class.

[@petronioaznar]

@@josephcalato2786 not sure in the US but in EU you can prefectly register it with license etc etc so as long as you have the papers, insurance etc it should be ok.

[@josephcalato2786]

Ab okay. Yeah at least in New York State we arent allowed to register them 😞. I wanted one bad, but its use would be so limited I had to settle with light 🐝

[@l.s.02]

Me 4 months into the bike and 1 really bad car crash I’m at 12k -13k worth of upgrades (Sometimes people ask me why and I just say why not)

[@tjacksondolph4026]

bro this is so spot on for any ebiker beginner- the make it go faster moneypit

[@mike2323909]

Hey I’ve watched your videos already and didn’t even know…. It’s was good meeting you yesterday at the Santa Monica beach… your videos are dope and the surron looks Supa fun to ride 🤙🏽🤙🏽

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆 thanks dude, was cool meeting you too and seeing you get the little one and fam out for a two wheel adventure in the sun 🤙

[@scottryana]

Another great video Juiced!

[@WashJosh]

Planning to use one to commute to work. Ima try to pay it off in what would’ve been used as gas money. See how it goes.

[@glenndoiron9317]

This almost never makes any economic sense. If you already have a vehicle, you need to ride the bike far enough that the costs of the bike and electricity is less than how much gas you would have spent. Say gas is $4.00 / gallon and you spent $4000 on your ebike. How far does your car go on 1000 gallons of gas? If it gets 30 mph, you need to ride the bike at least 30,000 miles before you recoup the costs of the bike, and you still haven't factored in the electricity you've used to charge it. Hybrid cars have the exact same problem, the hybrid markup makes it uneconomical.

[@WashJosh]

@@glenndoiron9317 I’m already half way there of recouping the money I spent on the bike so idk what math you’re doing. But I’m getting my money back so yeah my daily commute is 40 miles. Everyday. And I get no traffic on the bike. And I got my surron for 3k, by next year I’ll pay it off.

[@aliveandelectrified]

I'm super lucky to live in an area where my commute to work costs me about a nickel a day. All those savings go into further mods. 😀

[@adobomoto]

Nice. My new favorite sur ron channel

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Thanks for the compliment dude! I’ve seen your Sur Ron videos and more too, you’re content is great man!

[@Hunter-sh8gp]

watching this makes me wanna buy a e ride pro ss that comes with all of those upgrades

[@alangoodrich6590]

Hell yeah it's worth it. I'm in brake phase and then forks. But I don't ride as hard all crazy. Just to work and back. And I seen a few trails. And now it's brakes and jump a few jumps because I found a track

[@DetectiveStablerSVU]

9:00 Rookie mistake. You NEVER give into calculating how much you spent and start wondering if you should have spent it. You lock that part of your brain away and give it a swift kick. The only time you bring it out of captivity is when you need it to justify why you would purchase a NEW toy.

[@dexgray4581]

I TRULY wish there wasn’t such a crack down here in Orange County with SurRons. All the SurRonster kids really took over and abused every location to the point where it’s likely you’ll get your SurRon taken from you or in the least heavily tickets based on sight alone. It truly sucks. Big cities like Los Angeles and SF still have more time. Have fun man! I hope the laws change in our favor soon or that cops chill out a bit. The kids really stomped us out here in OC. Such a bummer.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

whenever I visited down that way a year ago I always saw at least a few young kids on surrons, they really were everywhere. too bad they cracked down, I don't see the harm if your being responsible on it. half the time tourists are blowing past me on rented e-bikes around here, the only thing cops pay any mind to is the homeless encampments - which I think is a good thing

[@dexgray4581]

@@JuicedJoyrides yeah man. I totally agree! Thank you. And yea, cops in LA have bigger things on their plate… homelessness is most important for sure. ❤ it’s funny you noticed that even a year ago in OC. Kids just don’t play it cool down here. And as much as I still want one for staying off the grid entirely, I just feel like no matter how much I turn it into a legal class 3 ebike with pedals, keep it at 30mph, etc… I’ll be the guy who actually gets busted instead of the kids. Maybe I’m being too nervous, but it’s just so much money spent to constantly be worried about (especially if it’s actually my main transportation). ✌️

[@DrewskiTheLegend]

@@JuicedJoyrides that’s the problem with e-bikes though. They appeal to that guy. That’s why your average non e-cyclist doesn’t like them- they tend to end up under dumbasses who don’t have the knowledge,skill or etiquette they you learn on a pedal bike and they go 2-5x as fast. That’s a recipe for disaster. Not that all ebikers are fools mind you, it only takes a few to ruin it for everyone.

[@jasonbrown467]

the theme in your story is exactly how things went for me, except i used an old full suspension mountain bike i have had for 19 years or so. the current build is a rear hub qs205 4t v3 and the controller is some chinese controller that i had up to 9kw several times at 72v, i think i even had it up to 100v times 100amps. the fastest it ever had it was 60mph, but this was back in my 4.2kw days and i dont care about top speed any more. i also power it with a custom battery that i built out of six 6s 22.2v 22ah lipo packs, this is about 3kwh of battery btw. i built a custom harness so i can wire it up how ever i like and use all the packs or not, i use low voltage alarms to keep me from destroying them and spent like $900 on chargers so i can charge them all up fast as fudge. oh an my bike still pedals and mostly still looks like a bike. i could never understand spending like 5k on a bike and never modifying it it and only going like 20mph and need to take it in for every little repair such as a flat tire lol. now i am building a second bike so fools can go ride with me.

[@ajjax89]

Lmao! Yo!! When you said "spending countless hours, watch videos about 72v and other upgrades"... that's me and I don't even have the bike yet!!! I have a list of upgrades that I'm slowly purchasing before I get the bike. Is that wierd? Ha

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😂 that actually probably should have been listed as phase 1 for full accuracy… and it’s always good to have a plan!

[@upnorthkenny9674]

Sweet vid bro!!🤘 same boat I went with the 40 first bars tires brakes now I need wheels then bac4000 & chi bat👍

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Thanks dude! Would love to experience the 40s, Happy riding!

[@GratefulEd907]

So the last phase is “I should have just bought a motorcycle” 😂😂😂 that’s good to know.

[@uchiha_d1334]

Really needed to watch this. So glad I did. My wife has been bothering me to get her one so she can practice wheelies. Definitely eye opening

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆 what do you think?

[@uchiha_d1334]

@@JuicedJoyrides well seeing how we have 4 motorcycles. Buying an E bike and modding it is pretty much the cost of a new motorcycle. We should probably just stick to motorcycles lol.

[@DeruginizCLS]

You hit the nail on the head with this video! 😂

[@drgeoffangel5422]

Here in the UK, anything over 250Watt motor is classed as a Moped! I have an old full suspension Marin Rock springs mountain bike that I added a front wheel hub motor 250Watt kit. It's still a bicycle, and can go pretty fast for a bicycle. I pedal all the time, because that's what you do on a bicycle, its not too fast, but I enjoy the scenery as pedal my bike, and get a good cardio work out at the same time. When I want some speed, I get on my 1200cc BMW R nine T scrambler motor bike! Thus, you want speed and power get a motor bike, but if you want an easier motor assisted push bike, get a hub motor kit, to make going up hills easier!

[@stephenj2014]

Man I love my EUC and still say they're the best P.E.V's you can get but still, the Sur ron never fails to make me smile when they fly by lol

[@BlownMacTruck]

There’s always the same EUC comment in every PEV video. We get it. Your choice of PEV is superior to everything else and always will be.

[@clintedmonson]

Point taken! I have a stock Sur Ron X Black. Next step is a Zero FXE - no question about it.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Nice! I’ve been thinking about getting a street motorcycle again too. Both are so fun in different ways

[@darrengriffith9680]

I actually have both. They are totally different animals but equally fun. The zero is not my fastest bike but it can get you into trouble real quick with the instant torque. It's no joke. The surron you can definitely mess around on it way more. People talk about a surron with 72 volt nominal being fast, realize the zero is 106 volt nominal.

[@yourboyvic]

I'm just at the beginning of the journey and this like "Icarus, don't fly to close to the sun"

[@keyesfamily7850]

I wish I had a surron

[@Tapsa-f9r]

I come from dirt bike. I own a KTM exc 300cc. I bought a new one every year while selling the old. I bought a suron and use it as it is. All I did was rasing the handle bar with a taller clamp. It is a mountain bike to do small jumps and climb small wood logs. And enjoy the landscape while not disturbing walkers with gaz smell and noices. Also I drive slow. Only speed in open desert area. Ktm costs 15k with total upgrade. Minus the price of the old one. I got mu suron for 3.5k and just keep it.

[@DazedPhasesofLazerbeams]

this is every hobby ever. but you absolutely nailed it.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆 🙏

[@iamking04]

Quezon City Represent. Motorcycle here is so popular here in the philippines specially after the pandemic since it became the means of transportation ( gas price increase ) others quit using their cars and start using motorcycles Ride safe always bro. God bless

[@joseph3544]

I got a Ariel Rider a few days ago and I can already feel myself slipping thru each phase 😂 😂 i’m trying to justify every purchase I’m about to make. Great vid

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆 it's a slippery slope, I endorse this slide 🤙 thanks!

[@jimbennett2795]

It's justified at almost any price. You guys get to go behind locked gates, on sidewalks etc because your stealth and the cops ignore you. When the latter changes your screwed. Until then the fun you guys are having is PRICELESS.

[@youcanthide004]

I Dont have an E-bike yet.... But this is totalllly me!!! LOL😜

[@HaiLsKuNkY]

i would be scared of where to lock it up once you get to destination

[@bobbykately9621]

Buying a suron is like buying a truck, u cant stop upgrading it🤣thats what ive learned today😅

[@billygowhoop]

This is why I bought a real motorcycle instead of electric. The learning curve is far steeper but I like being legal and also having double the top speed.

[@themountain59]

Very entertaining.. It is with like all hobbies..it sums up but as long as its fun it is way worth it. BTW I dont want to know what I dumped into my RC cars over the time 😉😀

[@JuicedJoyrides]

haha those rc cars look pretty awesome!

[@scooter1748]

i drive over the road. i also miss riding motorcycles and need a way to get around that isn't a 72ft tractor trailer when i'm out here. i see no downsides, i'm getting one.

[@jsmythib]

Next, a turbo button and front wheel assist drive. Really nice fabrication- looks fantastic.

[@b1yogi]

OMG, FANTASTIC VIDEO DUDE!!! I totally AGREE!!!!! Worth every penny!

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆 thanks dude, worth it for sure, especially considering how much I ride it

[@allhailalona]

wow, apparently the only two phases i had beyond the purchasing phase were: phase 2: damnit, i nearly broke my limbs in four different occassions only in the last week, Im gonna have to spend extra 350 bucks on protective equipment. phase 3: damnit, I did some foolish things, I'm gonna have to spend extra 350 again to fix this damn thing.

[@vincentwinters431]

God damn, I need this man's job, to just ride and and upgrade lol. Good on him tho. Cool fun vid.

[@HamptonFPV]

I was a huge downhill mtn biker always going to bike parks and now it has sat for a year because i stole the fox40 and saint brakes off of it and put them on the Surron and now its funner going up hill then down.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆 love this

[@willnismo8324]

50mph is scary. Also the add was "can your e bike do this?" Lol yeahh

[@claymosher1466]

Was it Worth it?.. F*** yah it was!!! He'll yah dude, I like your videos, but I LOVE this one! I'm right there with you, about $12k on my bike and got one for my girl too!

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Thanks dude! Wish I had a spare for my girl too, that’s the setup!

[@itzrookie8086]

I ride mine all over but when im on sidewalks ill ride it at 15 mph. Same speed as a jetson. I get annoyed seeing like middle schoolers on it or seeing high school kids doing wheelies. It ruins the fun for everyone. Its my daily commute vehicle. Saves so much on gas in the long run. Especially living in Hawaii.

[@RDale-]

I had the same experience but I realized after I week I needs a motorcycle so I purchase a 1000 cc adventure bike

[@datrill1000]

A new toy to explore the city on is perfectly explained!!!!!

[@migueruta]

Moral of the Story: buy a 2nd hand 500cc motorcycle from the start and you don't need to worry about several upgrades to match any upgrade you do, having to buy specialized protective gear, switch the no longer incompatibles brakes, bike range, lack of fuel, etc. Why? Most people can't afford to buy nor have both vehicles so, what's the most reasonable choice? - A traditional bicycle and the traditional motorcycle.

[@AutarkieLebenskunst]

I really feel you Dude. Me riding normal motorcyles, but got boring in the end. To risky on streets and to unhandy in mountain conditions. Then shifting to onewheel, it was a nice experience - but in the end went to "optimized" EBike with Bosch Performance Gen3. Really like it how it pulls and how fast I can ride an trails. For sure what you are talking to ride responsible - trough cities or passing people really riding slow. Next step is to get bigger disc rotor in the front (203mm) using the organic pads is fine for me - definitly need more pads, but they are cheap and working well in this setup :) Thanks for sharing - would also enjoy to get a Suron X - but in Germany not too easy ;-)

[@garygrinkevich6971]

Awsome video dude I've wanted a ron for years but don't have the room for a fullsize bike i've been thinking about getting one of those 5600W scooters for like 1700 because you can fold them up and store them under a shelf, my life is way too small right now, I can't keep anything outside in my neighborhood these days too many theives out in the city.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Thanks dude, I appreciate it. Those scooters do look fun, hope to be getting some of them on the channel this year. And yes, thieves suck, I’d never leave this outside and it’s constant anxiety if I have to leave it locked up ever

[@dajaduke1936]

Hey don't feel bad, I 12k into my Surron and I still want a KO motor and EBMX swingarm, another 25 hundred. I guess the question is when does it stop.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆 the rabbit hole is deep, don’t get lost in there 🐇 happy riding dude 🤙

[@Johnny2Feathers]

7:38 to be fair, it was you hitting that dragonfly 😂

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆 I still want his insurance info

[@deridionentertainment]

HELL YES dude yes it is worth every penny. I buy stock ebike and escooters and upgrade the crap out of it to go 60 to 70mph and a 80ah battery upgrade to boot. New subscriber man i post upgrades on the channel as well

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Thanks 🙏, you’re a mad man riding a scooter at 70 mph 😆 maybe one day I’ll try one!

[@er98ah]

I’m at the $10k spot and now I’m trying to sell it for $8k but no one wants it. New owners want the journey/experience of upgrading your way to stupidity 😂

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆 so true really, I’d I had the option to buy this bike for $8k on day one I would not have, you got to get sucked down the rabbit hole and do it the hard way

[@michaelenglund]

Ive done the stuff and some more up to the battery- or controlltinkering. Am happy with the power as I go in the forest and cant ride so fast there anyway.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

For now 😂

[@chinofigueroa8254]

That was epic the ending of the video had me rolling 😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@AsecretheKarting]

I don’t think the surron is a replacement for a motorcycle , yet , as so far it can’t go as fast as a motorcycle but in the future it may be but so far the surron is a dirt bike

[@yohvh]

Don't bother yourself by motorcycle prices or speed. There are cbr1000f for 1000 bucks that do 280km/h. But it's heavy and riding a motorcycle on street just isn't jumping staircases or riding a surron on trails. And if you are looking for an light weight. Trail riding motorcycle. There aren't many that light and fast. They use gas and make noise. A Suzuki sm450 for example weight 2.5 times the surron. The weight makes it less fun and harder to handle.

[@chrismartin6427]

I think it's time for phase 8 you need to change the motor from the stock one

[@danielgielchinsky6951]

Looks fun as heck.

[@r7ndom]

I feel this video. Being a Onewheel rider who covers a lot of trails, I've been looking at e-bikes and landed with the question that started this video -- can i get away with such a thing on the trails?? 😂😂 Great vid.

[@jaegermonster5540]

Electricity isn't just cheaper than gas, its like having a gas pump at your house.

[@johnnygeorgopoulos4072]

Problem is, you need to know your range on that e-bike and can only drive so far until you need to turn around and go home to recharge, while I can just stop and fill within seconds and keep on keeping on. There's a really nice Swedish/Spanish bike called the Stark VARG, it's gorgeous, able to be configured with 80hp, almost 700lb-ft of torque, up to 6hrs of ride time (probably very slowly), carbon front subframe, lots of machined billet parts....but, if you go with a group of your buddies for a whole day's long ride (or even longer) out in some wilderness, you're screwed.... everyone else can just jump out of the trail and hit the gas station, even if they run out on the trail, they still make small gas containers that will attach to your bars and elsewhere to get you to a pump, all while that gorgeous VARG had to stop halfway through it's range and head back to recharge. These things are extremely limited on where they can actually go.

[@Soeks77]

My friend swapped a spool and belt from a cross kart into it, as well as a bac8000 and for 6k in all, it now goes 90mph

[@businessdeveloper]

would be nice to learn about the lifespan of the batteries before purchasing

[@rolobotoman]

I love that since all these ebikes and scooters came out people do whatever with them, I can now do whatever with my moped too, police abandoned, Ride it in parks, bike lane, whatev.

[@spacemansam_]

Love the bike, love mods, hate the helmet choice lol. Why do so many surron riders wear just a regular bicycle helmet on something that goes 60+ mph?

[@dboyd1613]

lol nice breakdown!! It applies to all things mechanical for me, its just now that i'm older i have the ability to stop myself.😏

[@ChaosBW]

ALTERNATIVE: $2000 kawasaki ninja 250. 0 - 100kph in 6.9 seconds and around 60mpg. It's a motorcycle, it will take you for miles and refuel in just a few minutes. $2000 pedal assisted ebike. Short range, small battery, light weight. A bicycle with a motor to assist you with hill climbing and the way home after leg day at the gym. NOT A BICYCLE TRYING TO BE A MOTORCYCLE. Total cost: Roughly $4000 I was considering buying one of these electric motorcycle wannabe bikes years ago and was having a chat with a store owner on which one I should get, and he told me to get a motorcycle and then maybe consider a bicycle if I still really wanted one. I really can't thank this guy enough.

[@chaindrums]

I don´t even have a bycicle or motorcyle and watched the whole video, loved it!

[@Briggsys_Stuff]

So true! 😂 Then in a flash the small mods quickly become the same price as the purchase cost of the bike & you can’t help yourself 🤣