7 Reasons NOT to Buy a PHLster Enigma

We feel that the Enigma is one of the highest performing concealed carry systems on the market. It’s an incredible product with incredible capability. But it is really, truly not for everyone. So in this video I’m going to walk you through 7 Reasons NOT to Buy the PHLster Enigma.
Concealment is a skill, a process, and a journey. We’re here to support that journey with detailed educational resources and cutting edge concealment gear, but there are lots of ways to get where you need to go, and a little perspective goes a long way.
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0:56 Reason #1
1:25 Reason #2
2:01 Reason #3
2:30 Reason #4
3:19 Reason #5
4:13 Reason #6
4:42 Reason #7
5:16 On the fence?
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[@grahamohea2424]

I'm glad that this is truly an honest video and not along the lines of, "Don't buy the Enigma if you don't want to be comfortable" or "Don't buy the Enigma if you don't want the best lifesaving equipment available" humblebrags

[@marcusrobinson1778]

Exactly what I thought it was gonna be lol. This is actually good and informative

[@definitelyduse]

Do u have one? Can u sit all day with it on???

[@JG54206]

The fact that any company would offer reasons for NOT buying a certain product of theirs is pretty awesome. It seems like the people of PHLster are very honest and helpful. I thought I was the only one who is willing to sacrifice some concealment for other aspects. Then again…. I’m trying to conceal a full sized 1911 AIWB and I’m not exactly a massive guy in terms of stature. I’m 5’8” and about 150lbs. I do think I will be trying an enigma when I do grab a Glock. I often just bum it in sweatpants when I run around town errands and I don’t know of any other solution if you wear athletic sweatpants or lounge pants.

[@mattysee24]

Kinda seems pompous and snobby, like if ur not ready for the best carry system, phlster enigma might not be for you, unlike all these cool ppl who use it everyday because they are so cool and you are clearly not. I think they don't want to deal with dumb customer service complaints and I get that.

[@Osprey1994]

@@mattysee24 Man that chip on your shoulder looks painful. I knew why she wrote the article without even reading it, the enigma has been gaining some momentum and with that momentum there is a risk that customers buy the system on hype instead of on need. So the best thing they can do is put out information that might lose them some customers, but may solidify the decision for others. It's not pompous at all, it's a smart choice to err on the side of caution so as not to introduce some negative feedback into the loop from customers who bought in based on hype.

[@Osprey1994]

You can use a webbing belt of some sort and a holster with a DCC clip. You put the webbing belt on first, pull up your gym shorts or whatever then clip the DCC clip over both the belt and the shorts. You can also just clip onto the belt, but then you have to make sure you tie the drawstring just right so that it stays in place. I used to do this with my P365 and it worked decently well, could even go for a jog without much trouble. But it can be uncomfortable, and it's finicky to get right. The Enigma can allow for a much larger pistol, and it's also much more secure. A big appeal for me is that I can actually tuck in a shirt if you need to dress nicely for an occasion.

[@JG54206]

@@Osprey1994 Thanks for the tip, I’ll have to give it a try.

[@masterp69]

LOVE this video for one simple fact! You guys produced a video of cons on yourself that are fair and real. Almost NObody does this! The honestly and realism in this video is a testament to your company's vision. I like you, plain and simple. I will be sure to send anyone I know to you guys just for this honesty; second to none. Keep up the good work!

[@FilmFlam-8008]

This is actually a really good video. I am glad a company is saying “there are reasons NOT to buy out stuff”

[@ryanjones4917]

I appreciate this video and believe it will only help Philster in the long run. I just got my Enigma a few days ago and I'm fine tuning the set up. This video candidly tells you the reasons it may not be for you, but there are also a lot of reasons you may want/benefit from the system as well. Much respect, you have earned a new customer.

[@traciaxtell4553]

This is why I love you guys. Who else gives reason why you should think before you buy? You have so many resources to help and you guys care more about your customers than you do about your bottom line. Thanks so much.

[@bluerider0988]

Great respect for this video. I like my Enigma but only use it in the summer when wearing shorts and stuff. It's definitely the best solution in my opinion if your wearing clothing that doesn't lend itself to wearing a gun belt. When it's cooler and I can wear jeans I prefer a standard iwb belt holster. To sum it up use the right holster for the right situation and the Enigma is the best solution for summer wear, aka shorts, sweatpants etc.

[@alexb5275]

I’ve gotta say, I’ve tried 4 different mainstream holster for my p365 and the PHLster is just in a league of its own. I love that the holster is a part of my body rather than a part of my clothing. It moves with me better, can adjust based on my need, and it’s more desecrate in most situations.

[@definitelyduse]

How does it feel sitting for long periods of time

[@zachisevil]

@@definitelyduse If you appendix carry normally than that's all it is. I'm a fat guy and could never appendix carry a regular holster. The enigma doesn't clip onto your pants so it actually sits lower than any other one would. You can wear it as low as you could sag your pants if needed. It does dig into my belly a bit sitting for long periods of time but everybody's body is different.

[@taylorharbin3948]

Much respect for honesty. I DO have to arm and disarm several times depending on where I go, and I’m also not looking for a complicated rig. Even so, I’m glad the option exists!

[@poultrydish]

I love, love the transparency here! And you guys mentioning #3 made me feel the compassion and dedication PHLholster has towards the CCW community.

[@uspittbullbreader]

I can honestly say she did a great job selling her product by not selling her product. This is not an “everyone needs this” it’s preference and situation based. Well done. I’m not ready yet as my wife never Carrie’s but will be looking at this when she starts.

[@LeeG7953]

Fantastic! A honest review, now get this… From the manufacturer of this system!! This is unheard of in the industry! Kudos Phil! You’re the man!

[@tehmuse1521]

I love the honesty of this company. I'll be eventually buying one for gym carry and other areas I might not have belt loops 💜

[@dabonehead101025]

Thank you for putting out some additional little side factors that most people don’t take into consideration. I appreciate it as video quite a bit as a lot of it applied to me. Keep up the great content.

[@armadillolover99]

I highly appreciate the honesty of this video. I was considering an Enigma, but reason number 7 was something I hadn’t thought about that would impact me negatively, particularly given that I’m in a state with a shitload of “sensitive location” restrictions. If my situation changes in the future though, I will definitely be remembering this.

[@dustrabbit4761]

You guys just turned the key in the lock of customer & future-customer trust-building. That’s a funny thing intelligence & honesty does. TY!

[@jenniferholschlag1908]

Great info. Thank you for ALL you do with our community.

[@racrx728]

Outstanding company and all of their videos are very informative. Probably the best concealed carry how-to on KZbin. I don't own any of their products yet, but as soon as I have something compatible, they will be first on my list!

[@walterrohan3591]

Wow what an excellent video. I’m truly blown away. I’m putting enigma on my list of what to get next for my EDC rig

[@LK-bz9sk]

By far the most cerebral presentations across the board on this channel. Thanks so much

[@MonsterCody]

Thanks for this transparency, i almost invested alot of funds into the enigma express, but the last issue got me. I would like to be able to take if my holster discreetly, thank you, keep the good work up, maybe later down the line when its more practical for me, I'll still be interested.

[@czwarlord9243]

Wow. An honest review by the parent company. All companies should do this. Outstanding

[@justinmarsh9802]

So I used to carry using a T1C holster and it took forever to get it perfect to where it didn’t hurt while carrying my pistol. I’m also overweight and got recommended the enigma, so I’ve been doing my research and I’m glad I came across this vid.

[@theslowwalker]

Wonderful moral integrity. To give prospective customers reasons why your product may not be for them, for everyone and to give clear explanations as to those reasons is admirable and respectable. After having examined the PHLster system the only reason keeping me from investing in one is that my state is not issuing carry permits. Should that ever change and I am issued a permit I will be investing in a PHLster system. I need not name the state that I live in but I congratulate you on your integrity and bid you a fond Aloha.

[@defensivepistolscience1344]

NY was my first choice, HI was the second

[@slick4415]

The enigma conceals the best in a situation where you need a gun i doubt you’ll care about the carry laws don’t ask don’t tell and you’ll be okay

[@BigBoyGiraffeGraff]

I appreciate this video it gave me more to consider before I buy this and not go with a tier one that I have for my full size carry, was thinking of trying this out for the new more compact carry but now I have debates.

[@joeldale97ii]

The approach on this video was wonderfully refreshing. Hope to have one sometime soon.

[@Wildz]

#7 is actually the biggest reason for me. I have an enigma and started adjusting to my fit. But i work in aerospace production and policies are strict.

[@jewlzpdx9878]

what did you end up getting instead

[@Wildz]

@@jewlzpdx9878 ANR Holster

[@motzoh]

I was interested in enigma for a few years but recognized it was a really really bad time in my life to try. I so appreciated Phlster's advice to not buy. Two years later, I bought it and absolutely enjoyed geeking through and dialing it in. It solved a lot of problems, I wear it with any combination of girly clothes and an old c section scar i figured out how to dodge. Ps I love my custom yoga-block wedge Sarah demoed 😁

[@blackstarbucks]

The enigma honestly changed concealed carry for me. I cant wear anything else, & now I carry everyday because it comfortable. Previously I accepted cc was just always going to be uncomfortable. I would pick & choose when to carry which defeated the whole point of carrying. I recommend this to everyone I talked to about carrying. This replaced multiple holsters for me & now I never dress around my firearm (cz p10c). However over the past two years or so with my enigma Ive made quite a few modifications, its at a point I only feel the weight of my firearm but am never obstructed by it. I can easily carry 8+ hours with no discomfort & often times if I know I will be going back out I wont remove it even at home. Its a massive game changer and takes time to get it perfect but very worth it. The first month or so of ownership I played with different adjustments to get it just that much better, I feel like now its absolutely perfect. The belt used to cause me chaffing over long periods & other hard points. The levo designs papoose solved that issue for me well worth the cost If I wore loser clothing (sweatpants & running shorts) I found occasionally the leg leash would come undone after about a year of use so I decided to replace it & try a 3rd party. Rego concepts leg leash was a absolute game changer for me & solved a comfort issue I didnt realize I was having I placed a sock on the underpart of my holster with a rubber band & that helped with better concealment & made activity's much more comfortable (papoose also helps keep that sock in place). And amazon has some softtouch self-stick pads that work wonders on the sweat guard portion oh my holster Investment is step & theres definitely a adjustment/modification portion however this rig was a 10/10 in my first few weeks of usage & now its easily a 15/10. This one holster has replaced 3 for me, I no longer dress around my carry I pick my outfit and go.

[@conga205]

Man, sounds like you've got it dialed in perfectly, blackstarbucks. Haven't received the Enigma yet, but definitely looking at the Levo Papoose (just in case!). I'll also check out that Rego leg leash! Thanks for the heads-up...

[@isaiahmason5596]

Props to any company brave and willing enough to publish a video on why not to buy their product

[@barrynel511]

Thanks!!! Great video and has helped me a ton. As for all these marketing gurus with psych degrees, most can't even spell the words, let alone understand how 'reverse psychology' is used on a daily basis!! Keep up the good work!!

[@andrewvillavicencio8496]

Awesome, thank you for your candor!

[@KidDynamite22]

Daaaamn this video jist earned some huge goodwill from me. Really really hope you ship to my country definitely ordering this system

[@Osprey1994]

Sometimes it's good to pump the brakes on the hype train, I have seen a few companies let the train get out of control and it ended up hurting them in the end.

[@constancedrimones6589]

Thank you for all your information! 😊

[@matthewdylla6090]

This is also a brilliant marketing move because it reduces the number of buyers who could leave a bad review essentially out of a sort of miscommunication. For instance a parent who buys a game for thier kid to be cool but has no idea what genre they like or even very distinct sub-genres. Might be going to this as a solution fpr a full sized or even just to help me get running again as I got out of the military and the place I'm in now is honestly not the best statistically speaking and I hate running on treadmills lol.

[@elliri3012]

Thorough, well thought out.

[@quinnmclaughlin7537]

Thank you for putting out this video, So many company are just out there to push what ever product to get money. now, if you just made a holster for my own situation....

[@howitesla7848]

This is by FAR the best EDC holster system out on the market to date. I'm athletic built 6ft tall, 180lbs and find this holster to be the most comfortable, gives the best concealment, and have premium built quality and can be used with any style of clothing. This product is truly underrated in this market and really should be getting way more recognition. It checks all the boxes for me and though its a bit pricey, its worth the sacrifice of paying the high price. I am very satisfied with this product. Thank you!

[@donschlonski2936]

Meh; others disagree

[@flipperswife1992]

Question, what is the tan/brown gun belt you are wearing in this video?? It’s looks sturdy and comfortable and I’m interested in where I can find it. Thank you!

[@zackbenedict9142]

I use a Phylster Skeleton I love this holster!

[@awesomedave8484]

huge help, thank you.

[@krome2ez]

I like my Enigma holster all except for the leg tether. Is there a way to keep it from working it's way down my leg while walking, without making a constrictor band out of it? I would like to see an option for maybe an neoprene thigh band or some way of securing the tether both front and back to the waist band.

[@TheColonelJJ]

Nice Phych! Nicely done. [grin]

[@normanjacques4092]

Great video thanks 😊

[@AnotherRalllyRedX]

I bought a PHLster Floodlight X300 holster (and I love it) after reading about the positive reviews and seeing something like this will keep me a customer. The enigma is next for gym clothing and gear. This is classy for a company to do this and be honest, we don’t get that enough so thank you.

[@PHLster]

Thank you! We just want to make sure that people are fully informed before they make a purchase because we understand that the stuff we make might not be for everyone. And we’d rather have happy customers than unhappy people’s money, every day of the week.

[@Dia2four43]

I’ve been trying to find out how I want to CC, recently got my first gun, and I wear a lot of leggings so I wasn’t sure if a regular holster would work for me. I really like the enigma from what I’ve seen from the many reviews I’ve looked at, but I’m still not entirely sure what will work best for me. Obviously I’ll still need a holster to attach to the system. I just don’t quite know if it’ll be a better option for me or not

[@jakedaniels706]

I love the video and the truths in it. I don’t wear my Enigma daily, but it’s there when I need deep concealment. If you don’t need deep concealment, go ahead and pass.

[@GoingBrokeHockey]

I would like to skinny up before making the investment for deep concealment. Looks like a great product.

[@thekinginthenorth989]

Thank you, I won't be buying lol In all seriousness it looks like a great product but definitely doesn't fit my needs, especially being that I would need to take it on and off with ease and the leg leash seems to be a bit much. Also my current set up works great and serves it's purpose well. I was most going to buy just to try. Great video, the honesty is appreciated.

[@The_Kirk_Lazarus]

Leg leash is uber easy to use.

[@crazzei]

I almost exclusively wear sweats and athletic shorts so this is a no brainer for me. At first I thought about buying all new athletic wear with belt loops. But that would add up and limit the styles I wanted. This is the cheaper and better solution to my problem.

[@CrochetNewsNetwork]

Ok guys, now I’m just looking for a REASON TO PURCHASE 😂 Any company bold enough, honest enough, knowledgeable enough to put this video out gets my business. 6:04 I just have to figure out what might work. I wish more companies would understand their products and demographics like you do!!!

[@jfudman]

yeah pretty bold indeed... but also a win for their returns department lol

[@solidstream13]

The on/off issue is the largest issue I have. I really wish there was a system that allowed the holster to attach and detach from the chassis.

[@chltmdwp]

Man they're smart. They make this video to see a fewer return. Brilliant.

[@PHLster]

The return rate on our whole store is about 2.5%, so lowering it isn’t a reasonable or achievable goal. We just want people to know what they’re buying, know what to expect, and not just blindly follow excited recommendations.

[@Syddybear1]

The Enigma is the BOMB. I have many, many holsters for different clothes, guns, etc. I may not choose to wear it every time, but there is never a time that it doesn’t work with my clothing.

[@Reaper-tj2lc]

I really want the Enigma as it would be my first actual concealed holster however it does not fit my Glock 29 or Glock 30 smh lol. I can’t find one to fit my Beretta either (for winter concealment)

[@jmo8391]

I am interested in the enigma in order to carry without the need of a belt. Summer is approaching, want to carry while wearing shorts with elastic waistband.

[@nathanmieure4071]

The more you tell me not to buy it... the more I want it.!

[@fin_jan]

FYI - I safety pin the back of the leg leash to the back of my underwear to keep it from sliding down the back of my leg. Now it's the perfect solution for my daily jog.

[@_Malik__]

Does this system work if you have your own holster that is light-bearing (Tlr-1 hl) for a Staccato P? Can you attach such holster to this belt system?

[@PHLster]

Depending on the features of the holster, possibly. Or you can get it with our Floodlight2 holster installed which fits that light/pistol.

[@uptowndann109]

I wish we could buy the sport band as a package instead of the standard belt + sport band add on.

[@Jayblak]

So my question is I wear a lot of jogger style pants now that I’m older. I’m 5’10, wear a size 38 I’ve always wanted to carry appendix but it’s never been comfortable. Does anyone use the Phlster enigma or have a suggestion for a belt less holster that’s comfortable for appendix. I don’t have a problem spending the money, I just want comfort and reliability

[@PHLster]

I think you'll find this video to be especially helpful for answering your above question: kzbin.info/www/bejne/apCyiayinpmYmbc Comfortable appendix carry is more about what you know, and less about the gear you have. Once you understand the principles behind what makes appendix carry comfortable, navigating gear selection becomes a lot more simple. Selecting great gear is still an important part of the equation, but without the knowledge to apply comfort and concealment principles even the best gear may not work.

[@markpillori]

To clarify, for those who need to remove their firearm frequently throughout the day, the enigma may still work if you can keep the holster on and just store the gun in the car.

[@paladinhill]

Tessa: GREAT REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY!!

[@affablesage9582]

Is the Enigma only for appendix carry? I only ever see demonstrations that use that carry position.

[@PHLster]

Correct, it is for appendix carry.

[@knndyskful]

I never thought I’d see a company try to dissuade people from buying their product

[@WeareUsforreal]

Curious cause my only issue is the holsters I use don't wirk w/ gym shorts/sweatpants. Besides buying like CC gymshorts and sweatpants I'm curious if y'all got any videos about your designs for that?

[@travissapp2266]

Try the ULTIclip with your holster and workout attire first.

[@steveharris2513]

Check out the 3speed holster

[@Servants_Heart]

I agree.

[@thecappy]

I picked up the express and wish I could cant it a little like 15*

[@CookbookAdventures]

I see what you did here... Little reverse psychology. Interesting sales technique, I like it.

[@PHLster]

That's not really our intention. We really genuinely want people to have the best experience with the product and know what they're getting into.

[@CookbookAdventures]

@@PHLster That's fair. I have just never seen a company do this and its really unique in a good way.

[@phlezktravels]

She's fit!

[@OnlineAdjunct]

At first this seems purely altruistic, but on second thought there may be a good profit motive behind it. It may head off returns by unsatisfied customers to be sure the customers are likely to be satisfied before they buy the product.

[@stephenzavatski8016]

Yeah she mentions that at the end

[@eveliinatistelgren172]

Why is the logo a broken bell?

[@PHLster]

The company was originally based out of Philadelphia, it's the liberty bell!

[@kylestedman_atl]

No comment on the leg leash? This product would be fantastic with a better leash.

[@PHLster]

Most users are successful with the stock leg leash, but there are aftermarket options available for those looking for different materials, thickness, buckle, etc.

[@vastab0]

I own and enjoy my PHLster Enigma; I will be buying another one shortly. But this video and the related blog post almost rise to PUA-type emotional manipulation. Your product is wildly successful *and* you should continue to improve it so that many of these "reasons" are moot.

[@PHLster]

A lot of these reasons aren't easily surmountable, especially the stuff which has to do with issues of medical appliances and conditions. And some of it is just, "don't buy a two seat car if you have four kids." And the issues of complication and frustration are solved by the Enigma Express. Most of this has to do with the Standard and Light Bearing models which require assembly.

[@stunod1479]

As and old white guy I am so elated that women have taken to CCW. Finally some rationality in this business. Now if we can only get more hot chicks at gun shows. Love Philster.

[@willwrk4gunz]

You guys have a coupon code 😅

[@soggycracker5934]

Cost is a non con. If it's the only holster you will use, then the cost is meaningless.

[@conga205]

I need to say this: As a member of a minority group and also a new gun owner, I've spent MANY hours looking for a way to supply myself WITHOUT giving money to right-wing causes. This company's name came up as a good solid choice. Once I finish this video, I'm buying the Enigma system. It looks perfect for a small-framed individual. After cancer treatments, I went from 170 down to around 134lbs, so it's difficult to conceal carry. Great and honest video!

[@John-lz3hf]

#1 Learning Curve: if you can't handle learning how to use the PHLster Enigma, you're going to REALLY enjoy handling a firearm. #2 Don't Have a Reason to Try: If you're considering the PHLster Enigma, you most likely do. Who actually stumbles on PHLster without trying? There's many other results that populate first for "Glock Holster" or "Sig Holster" #3 Sensitive to Frustration: Welcome, children. Man up. #4 Prefer Ready Made: Same arguments from #3 spilling into a new bullet point. #5 Tight Budget: Legit point. #6 Health Concerns: I can position the PHLster at 12, 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 11 o'clock. I can strap it horizontal across my chest like a sling. If your body cannot accommodate this holster, you probably just need a longer strap. #7 Need Discreet On/Off: Legit point.

[@cometcal2]

For reason #7 - If you need to remove your gun on / off a lot, I would just leave the Enigma attached to my body.

[@evey0259]

I've been... Not underwhelmed, but there's some issues I have with it. For one, it's the one and only holster I've used that absolutely pinches the shit out of me. Often it's my right thigh, but other times it's straight up on my dick and hurts like hell. The leg strap is also garbage. The original model was unusable, but the new one is barely better. I understand there's upgrades and additions, but that shouldn't be necessary. On a long road trip these past few weeks, I constantly had my leg leash come loose. What's more, it just doesn't conceal as well as my sidecar holsters. The ONLY reason I'm keeping it is that during the two months of the year where it's hot here in Washington, I don't want to stop carrying my Glock 17 with a light just because it's warm. If program compliance is the name of the game, I suppose that alone was worth the $200+ price tag.

[@PHLster]

You can always email us if you need some setup help. The things you’re describing are really easily solved with a little user-specific setup advice.

[@robertkelleher1850]

Reason #8 PHLSTER doesn't make a holster to fit your gun (XD9 subcompact) and you don't want to gamble on fitting a 3rd party holster hoping it will fit.

[@PHLster]

We’re always happy to advise on the fit of a potential holster, in addition to offering the comprehensive feature compatibility guide.

[@robertkelleher1850]

@@PHLster Good to hear. That seems at odds with the disclaimer on the website though.

[@robertkelleher1850]

@@PHLster No one seems to make a compatible holster for the XD9 3" Sub-compact. No reason to switch guns. It's perfect. Seems it would be popular enough, I guess not.

[@mortem-tyrannis]

This system is great for work when you have to have your shit tucked in, its hard to iwb carry when it's attached to your belt line and you have to tuck your shirt in.

[@thekinginthenorth989]

You need DCC clips!

[@mortem-tyrannis]

@@thekinginthenorth989 what's that?

[@wread1982]

You guys are smart using reverse psychology lol 🙌

[@PHLster]

It’s 100% genuine. We know that the most satisfaction comes from the best product-customer fit and we want to make sure that people aren’t buying something because of hype which they won’t ultimately use or like.

[@richielombardi2085]

The thought of putting this holster is a turnoff and I will not buy for that reason. The company should have sold it assembled with little adjustments

[@PHLster]

We have a pre-assembled version called the Enigma Express.

[@cabela7869]

#1 reason I would not buy a PHLster holsters is no customer service. Any company that still doesn't have a call center is shady.

[@PHLster]

We don’t have a call center because in the 13 years I’ve been in business, the phone has consistently been the worst way to help people. All of our service interactions wind up requiring sending pictures, videos, and links back and forth, because it’s basically impossible to give people real help with their gear and concealment over the phone. Our support team is extremely responsive to emails, frequently including weekend and after-hours replies, and we have tons of helpful resources for all concealed carriers here on KZbin, as well as in the Concealment Workshop Facebook group where Sarah and I (the owners) and our entire staff participate and help everyone with full transparency. Everyone knows my name and my face after having started this business by literally giving away Kydex techniques which used to be kept secret right here on this KZbin channel. We couldn’t possibly be further from shady. Sorry we don’t have a phone number.

[@fleetsiderebel8274]

Im first! Do I get a free one??😂😎👍🏼🇺🇸

[@Sleepy731]

#8 dont buy the enigma unless you want to appendix carry. #9 dont buy the enigma unless you want to buy an additional size bigger pants.

[@CAStone-kq4md]

Is this a product designed for women ?

[@Scubastewie]

reason 8 - does not support TLR7 Sub :(

[@PHLster]

The Light Bearing Enigma OS is compatible with tons of TLR7 holsters.