7 Useless Pre-Order Bonuses You'd Definitely Want a Refund For

[@walnutsmcgoo]

17:15 “Wait until the game’s price comes down” *laughs in Nintendo*

[@CrazeeAdam]

Give it... 5 years?

[@benn454]

​@@CrazeeAdamI just picked up BotW this year because it went down to $45 on Amazon.

[@KaitouKaiju]

Yarrr

[@davidmcgill1000]

"Wait until the game is no longer available, anywhere, because Nintendo sued everyone redistributing it."

[@faeb.9618]

that's why i like physical games. just look up a used copy and you're set at half the price

[@Tyfighter152]

I remember pre-ordering Borderlands 2. You got 4 golden guns (a pistol, smg, sniper, and I think a shotgun). The problem was that the guns were so weak that they were outclassed about 5 minutes into the game by practically any drop. There's no transmute option either so you can't keep the cool golden skins. At least we got Gaige the Mechromancer with it.

[@AlmightyPolarBear]

It reminds me of the gun codes for Mario + Rabbids: Kingdom Battle. They had these cool pixel based guns with special sound effects, but they were weak shortly after starting the game. Making them a brief small power boost, aaaand useless for most of the game.

[@thedovakin9478]

At least they fixed it in three by making it a gold weapon skin

[@walnutsmcgoo]

The Gearbox guns are essential to the speedrun, though! Starting with a sniper rifle means you can get the weapon-stacking glitch going literally as soon as you gain control of your character.

[@TheZoenGaming]

My experience with golden AKs in Far Cry 2 meant I only cared about Gaige. My favorite character ever.

[@STRAKAZulu]

@@Tyfighter152 Gaige was the best thing, aside from Kreig, in Borderlands 2.

[@RH1812]

I appreciate most preorder items state that most items are available ‘later’ in the game. Saves spending that additional cash. Off-cam-Andy was our pre order bonus

[@logan130909]

That’s the usual practice but I was so angry the dragonball xenoverse preorder (SS4 Vegeta ) was never made available

[@DavidCowie2022]

Getting the Suicide Squad clip to start with "We trusted you" was a good move.

[@SPAnComCat]

Indeed!

[@scorpix96]

Jane is laughing now, but we all know she's getting Andy first as soon as the cameras stop rolling...

[@Sableagle]

She's laughing because she already got him. She already got them all. They just don't know it yet.

[@montyr2083]

@@Sableagle *US* all. This is the Douglas Horizon. We only believe we never left Earth.

[@drizztdourden666]

It's Jane's world & we are all just living in it

[@Goldenkitten1]

Where she's going they won't need eyes.

[@dantesinfernal]

@@montyr2083 Liberate Jane Ex Inferis

[@callumdonington2227]

I'd like to think that Jane's notes are just pages of just "Get Andy first"

[@errorcrj110]

Hey, it's not all bad. She probably helps get his lunch first too

[@parmesanzero7678]

For No Man’s Sky, the pre-order shop was not supposed to have advantages. The devs were responsive to players specifically being vocal about not getting a bunch of advantages. In launch though, using the pre-order ship would break the tutorial and not let you advance in the story because you still had to complete the “fix the hyperdrive” quest. That was the bad part.

[@bewilderbeestie]

I'm one of the few people who seemed to have liked the day one NMS, and I still play it on and off today, but boy, at launch it was janky. My favourite part was where I had to use Google to find out how to launch the game because it didn't tell you you had to _hold_ the select button to get past the title screen!

[@AzraelThanatos]

I know a few people who picked it because of the various things about locating things in the universe that seemed to have been promised. I hadn't really paid attention to it that much since I had other things to do there

[@subtlynerdy]

Not to mention, I think it was a one off thing. I think the ship only went towards your first save file… at least, whenever I started a new save, I had the normal default Radiant ship. Never saw the pre-order one again.

[@tsmeowth001]

@@subtlynerdyoh, you get it on any save - you just have to go through the pause menus and find a redeem option that lets you reclaim it while in the game - though ive found it to be generally worse than even my random starter these days

[@subtlynerdy]

@@tsmeowth001 good to know! Thanks 😂

[@BENch_Gaming44444]

It's almost like making studios who usually work on single-player adventures to make a live service game is a bad idea!

[@bjchit]

It’s almost like live service games are a bad idea! Fixed for you.

[@BENch_Gaming44444]

@@bjchit I wouldn't say Helldivers 2 is bad. They have made some mistakes with nerfs, but it is still a fun game.

[@NottherealLucifer]

​@@bjchitAll battle royale games and MMOs fit into the live service genre, and plenty of those are considered good games, while some are considered great or even better. The specific types of live service games being made lately suck hard, but that in no way means the concept is bad. "Badly made dog shit live service games are a bad idea." There, fixed it for you.

[@benn454]

​​@@NottherealLuciferThere are no good battle royale games. The genre itself is bad.

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

​@@benn454Prove it.

[@pathindsley]

Mike's customized Pikachu voice was my favorite part of this video.

[@CinnaScone]

Iconic, honestly.

[@arenasviscatanius]

It can be a ringtone or startup jingle for a pc.

[@westcoastweaver8403]

Salty Andy was mine.

[@Irisverse]

He looked so genuinely moved by it.

[@octochan]

More importantly, NEW VOID DROPPED!

[@poisonedivysaur]

My all-time favorite preorder bonus was the gold wiimote plus with triforce on the speaker holes. I still own it.

[@bostonrailfan2427]

@Mr.TamOShanter-em6jmhope you didn’t smash it 😉

[@bostonrailfan2427]

@Mr.TamOShanter-em6jm …did not see that comeback coming but LOLed at it! 😂🤣

[@drizztdourden666]

If you have a wife you can gift that controller to her🤣😂🤣

[@jardex2275]

Was that a preorder or from a deluxe edition? I got that same controller from Skyward Sword, and I don't think I preordered it.

[@tatltails3923]

@@jardex2275 Yeah I have it too, I bought Skyward Sword on launch day but I don't think I preordered it.

[@lauriepenner350]

Fear of Missing Outfits is too perfect 😂😂😂

[@LordMarcus]

_Xenoblade Chronicles X_ came with the game's soundtrack on a cheap 1gb USB stick. What nobody anywhere said about this stick was that it would, on first run, unleash a DRM payload which would fuck up any network shared drive access using Windows Group Policies, effectively preventing you from accessing your existing shares or creating new ones. It didn't just lock down the USB stick behind some abstraction layer, it locked everything that wasn't connected directly via SATA or NVME. This is doubly damning when you consider that the Windows Group Policy editor is not included with "home" versions of Windows licenses, so those people affected have to actually dig through the registry and get acquainted with the commandline real quick. Oh, AND it didn't actually prevent you from copying over the MP3 files to literally anywhere and play them on literally anything!

[@MidBoss666]

A few that come to mind is how Amazon offered 25 extra lives as a preorder bonus for Sonic: Lost World, or COD: Modern Warfare that had a double exp for 3 hours preorder deal, and probably the most laughable one, how Duke Nukem Forever let you play the demo of the game as a preorder bonus.

[@DoctorChuck]

Good thing Gamestop still let you refund preorders. No idea what they were thinking letting people play Duke Nukem before it came out.

[@gowzahr]

My head cannon is that the Void was Luke's parents' basement, and they finally noticed that everyone was hanging out in their basement without their son, so they had to get an actual studio.

[@awmehgoddd]

....your head has artillery fire capabilities?

[@CinderFallenAngel]

The funny thing is about the Pokemon preorders, is those items were everywhere. I had more potions than I knew what to do with by the end of the game. It’s not like Legends where you could use them to craft better potions.

[@benn454]

Exactly. It's all crap you can literally pick up off the ground in the first route.

[@lego007guym8]

15:45 the debut of the Evil Void. Most important part of the video

[@travisspaulding5835]

The void. Now available with dark mode

[@insertfunnynamehere8984]

Pikachu always had a way with words... beautiful

[@electricspider2267]

"Pick-A-Jew" -wise words from our adorable electro-rat

[@Suraht]

Seeing the Pokemon pre-order bonus for Scarlet/Violet makes me shake my head, because they offered better freebies that that if you bought the pack with both games in it, which you might as well if you and someone else in the house wanted to play. You got two codes, one for each game, that gave you 100 pokeballs. Sure, they were just basic pokeballs, but you had plenty of low level pokemon to catch before you needed to worry about upgrading to the quick or ultra balls. And considering basic pokeballs cost 200 money each, it was a pretty good head start.

[@benn454]

That's what I got for my brother in law and myself.

[@Alsebra]

They're really only useful if you don't fight any of the optional fights (as I did) or pick up any items on the ground...I've ended up selling balls on several occasions and I've still got over 300 to hand (with the other common balls approaching that number).

[@sillylittleenby]

THEY HAVE ESCAPED THE WHITE VOID THERE IS NO STOPPING JANE NOW EVERYBODY RUN

[@oxfanblink4115]

Whose to say Jane is the one we have to worry about 😅😅

[@lightningninja6905]

​@@oxfanblink4115 Jane

[@Outsider_98]

@@lightningninja6905great answer 😂

[@Joe90h]

Ellen has also escaped. Everybody pun.

[@ivansobubblehead]

We can watch Andy being caught first before running :3

[@GameFanatic]

The funniest jock in this whole video : "Wait until the price comes down"!! It's a Nintendo game, It's never going down!!!

[@MDLuffyCAL]

I feel like this video missed the opportunity to point out the universal villain of the game industry, Publishers. A lot of the time, publishers FORCE developers to artificially create these incentives for the sake of marketing. This is why a bunch of them seem so lacklustre.

[@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human]

Jane, did you throw Mike into The Void? Again? You know what the health and safety officer said last time!

[@marhawkman303]

was it screaming for help after Jane threw him into the void?

[@STRAKAZulu]

Last time I was this early, they were still in the Void!

[@jaxkthereaper6569]

Now if only they would go back to the void... Hell just simulate the void. I miss the void.

[@IESUproductions]

@@jaxkthereaper6569 Me too☹

[@Christian-gr3gu]

The void was comforting, bricks are scary

[@unknowable4147]

the bricks are so textured, they scare me :(

[@bojackhorsematt2315]

Just be glad your pre-order bonus early access to the Void has not been voided due to technical difficulties

[@complainer406]

The sims 4 gave a tree with fairy lights in it as a preorder bonus for the cottage livin expansion pack, but they also included a debug version of the same object in the game (accessible to anyone using cheats, and easily shareable over the in-game gallery making it even easier to get)

[@FirebladesSong]

Yeah, but I do love the bike and often use it for my Sims. The only reason I got the preorder bonus at all though was the pack was a birthday gift and my birthday just happened to be in the window.

[@liamfarranree4433]

I had this video playing in the backround so when you said the Fallout New Vegas glitch made your character look like they were covered in a giant sideways exclamation mark I naturally assumed this to be some kind of euphemism I wasn't hip enough to be familiar with. Imagine my surprise looking at the screen and seeing a character actually covered with an actual giant sideways exclamation mark !

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

It was a wild time in the wasteland. IIRC, it's supposed to be glaring so that the devs know there's a missing texture. But the game was rushed, so.

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

​@PanAndScanBuddy yeah, that's actually a pretty common sight in Bethesda games when textures go missing. Makes some mods look wild.

[@RossHick]

7/11 used to sell Xbox games in the US. They were notorious for putting games out on shelves early and selling them before release date. I was always surprised how often the servers were up and how many people you could find playing early.

[@TheBlackSeraph]

I find it creepy when stores do things like that. Final Fantasy VII Remake was officially released on 10th April 2020 in Australia, but EB Games were selling it from April 1st with the publisher's permission while their competitors were forced to wait until the official release date. The entire store exclusive bonuses are weird anyway because it penalises players who don't have access to certain stores, but living in a major city where there aren't many retail options anyway it's kinda sick.

[@greed-1914]

Not sure if it fits, but one I remember was The Witcher 2. You got a pre-order bonus that varied based on retailer, which didn't work. So, CDPR issued new codes with proof of purchase, which didn't work. Then they made a patch where everyone got all the bonus items, even if they didn't pre-order. I didn't mind getting more than I would have, but it also turned those bonuses into something everyone got.

[@waveeyes]

One "fun" I got for buying Spyro: Reignited Triliogy early access: A discount on a Spyro figurine. I mean, the figure looks good, and I don't regret buying it alongside the game. But the fact that it was just a discount rather than comming with the game made it feel less like the pre-order bonus it was marketed as, and more like a standalone thing I decided to buy because I really like Spyro and was super excited to relive a big part of my childhood.

[@Danceofmasks]

The worst preorder bonus, is the fact that you paid money for a product that's shithouse and you had no idea it was shithouse until it launched.

[@konradzukowski213]

4:00 What makes the Deluxe Edition of Suicide Squad even worse are its character costumes. You were promised packs of OG comic book outfits for each of 4 characters, but those packs aren't complete. Each character receives only 2 pieces of their costumes, while in store bundles contain from 4 to 8 pieces, depending on the "rarity" or rather the price tiers of those bundles. And those bundles are so expensive, the in-game currency peeps received in apology for missed early access, you can't even buy all the remaining pieces of costume for a single character.

[@GoldTheWriter]

This is mostly true, but I will say that there were only four parts for each costume. Everything else was color swatches. And while you couldn't get all the swatches for both variants of the outfit with the $20 of coins they gave you, you were still able to fully unlock the swatches for the variant they gave you and still buy the base version of the second variant, allowing you to have all the parts available as well as the movement cosmetic that you get from the highest priced version. But ya, this would only be for a single character, and if you wanted to have absolutely every color swatch for the outfit, you would need to purchase extra coins. The tiered costume purchases is still the most messed up part of the game's monetization.

[@Bman32x]

5:02 “the complete, debugged free and ready to play (SSKTJL) game early release” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

11:21 That takes me back. Imagine my joy, decked out as a Vault Dweller from the first game, sipping from my canteen, and the moment I upgrade the 10mm, a solid gun, it turns into a developer error symbol. My only regret is not getting the collector's edition, because those cards and chips go missing more easily in real life than in the game.

[@1337million]

17:10 "Wait until the game's price comes down" It's one of the Big Nintendo titles it will never come down :'(

[@1337million]

In Norway BoTW and ToTK both sell for £51. Same price for Smash Bros and the 2019 Mario Bros U Deluxe. Sword and Shield have made the dramatic drop down to ...drumroll... £48!!!

[@Sylvainjose-satoyumiyato]

Fire Emblem Engage was on sale for 20 dollars, so it might be possible

[@TheBlackSeraph]

In Oz, most third party Switch games disappear off the shelves in a couple of weeks, and second hand Switch games are not that common and tend to be only marginally cheaper than the release price.

[@lisah-p8474]

*"It could always be worse... it could be Anthem."* Jane, I was eating!!!! I nearly choked to death! 🤣😭😅

[@CrazeeAdam]

The thing most pre order folks need to realize is, most that pre order stuff WILL be in some remaster/gold edition thing released maybe a month or two down the road, and for less usually as a bundle.

[@KazuoLucas]

Notable exceptions being when the pre order bonus is an older game from the franchise. In my case Twisted Metal for the PS3 had Twisted Metal: Black and Ace Combat 7 for PS4 coming with Ace Combat 5.

[@GoldTheWriter]

This isn't always the case. Infamous: Second Son have you the jacket of the previous protagonist, Cole, as a cosmetic option for the pre-order incentive. While eventually this jacket would become available for purchase in Europe after launch, in America it never did, meaning as an American player if you didn't pre-order the game or otherwise gain access to a redemption code for the jacket, you would literally never be able to get it. Why they never released it as DLC in America I will never know.

[@RajaniIsa]

City of Heroes had cosmetically different sprint powers, and while you eventually could get them later, they were veteran rewards. Which was neat since it wasn't something you could just buy.

[@TheBlackSeraph]

Not always. Although not technically a pre-order bonus, Persona 5 Royal came with DLC vouchers for exclusive Personas and a series of costumes from other MegaTen games. I bought Persona 5 Royal for the Switch because it had these bonuses on cart rather than being locked behind some poxy single-use download code like on the PS4. Unfortunately, the Raidou Kuzunoha costume set was absent because depictions of Imperial Officers aren't well received in China or Korea.

[@kalythai]

How about Fallout 76's preorder? We were promised early beta access during a time window to stress test the server. Unfortunately, everyone is forced to re-download the 40 GB game despite everyone given the option to pre-install the game. With so many people trying to download the game, only a few handful of early birds were able to play in the time window while everyone else have 30 hours remaining on their download. Bethesda, in Bethesda fashion, extended the beta four whopping hours so everyone can have enough time to redownload their 30 hour remaining download. A lot of people, including me stopped caring about the beta and lamented that we spent 60 dollars on a game better spent in a less empty game riddled with microtransactions.

[@3possumsinatrenchcoat]

don't forget the Great Canvas Shortage of 2019 (they offered a 5 dollar coupon as "compensation", which didn't even buy the virtual version of the bag in-game) and the mold in the deluxe helmet bundle!

[@ethannorman7537]

Plus, if you were trying to play outside of the US, you'd have to be awake at like 1am for the tiny hour window

[@Milk-Carton-III]

@@3possumsinatrenchcoatDo we dare speak of the Nuka Cola incident?

[@tylerdanger35]

10:19 RIP Matthew Perry

[@mad6770]

Return to Monkey Island, the Horse Armor. But at least they were upfront with it, tell us how it "has no practial use in the game and in no way will contribute to the gameplay, puzzles, or narrative... But it is very exclusive"

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

That's what you think. My non-existent horse and I were very happy.

[@gaz9411]

It's a reference to The Elder Scrolls Oblivion which had legitimate _paid_ DLC to give your horse armour which did absolutely nothing

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

@@gaz9411 I paid for the horse armour in Monkey Island too.

[@marhawkman303]

@@gaz9411 aFAIK that was a genuine cosmetic which was in fact purely cosmetic.

[@gaz9411]

@@marhawkman303 Yeah I was a bit ambiguous tbf. The DLC didn't do absolutely nothing, it did give your horse armour, but the armour did nothing apart from change its appearance. It's pretty wild actually, these days when DLC is a lot more common loads of games have micro transactions for different skins for characters/vehicles etc. If you don't want them then just don't pay, but back then when DLC was a bit of a newer concept, people saw it as an outrage that a developer would try to charge for something so pointless.

[@thebag1981]

For Fable 3 we had a load of preorder bonuses, if you give unique preorder items to retailers they’ll push the game more or so it went back then. And the way game dev works art & design are finished before code (we’re working right up to release, even if the gold master is locked off months in advance there’s the day one patch), so these items tend to be cosmetics as it’s something art can get on with. For F3 it was a lot of weapon variants iirc.

[@number1fen]

I am playing No Man's Sky as i'm listening to this in the background, and i happen to own the Horizon Omega. You are right about it being worse than the starting ship. Every stat of the Horizon Omega is _worse_ than that of the ship you start with aside from the hyperdrive range, which is only better because it starts with a hyperdrive engine. Once you add a hyperdrive to your starting ship, it's better than the pre-order ship in every aspect. The only reason for that ship to exist was to skip a single tutorial quest, but like someone else already pointed out, at release that part would bug out if you switched out your starting ship with the pre-order one and the game would softlock itself.

[@Michael_Lindell]

1:50 What a game! Ghosts AND Vampires!

[@DeadlyRivfader]

I dont know if it counts but the season pass for Tiny Tinas Wonderland was completely useless unless you are a huge fan of horde mode. Each of the "dlc"s was a short chamber run where you kill some enemies and the boss. Thats it and they are finished in around 10 minutes if you dont know what to do. For a gamestudio that is known to make amazing dlc content, one of them so good it literally is the reason this game exist, somehow decided to throw everything they know of how to make a great dlc out the window and give us that instead. First time i decided to buy a season pass when I bought a Gearbox game and it is the last time I do it as well.

[@KaitouKaiju]

They probably wanted to make sure all the interesting content actually made it to the DLC

[@Eeraschyyr]

Hard agree. Assault on Dragon Keep is still one of my top two additions to a game. Aesthetically on point, thematically tuned for Borderlands 2, and a story arc that really tugs at the heartstrings.

[@DeadlyRivfader]

@@KaitouKaiju If you mean Wonderlands they forgot to release that dlc

[@DeadlyRivfader]

@@Eeraschyyr I love that dlc. Every time I start a new character I cant wait to level up enough to go there and kick some handsome wizard ass ha ha.

[@Ranga3595]

Yeah this wouldn't count... As the video is about Pre-Order bonuses, not DLCs or Season Passes

[@duvierverdell6570]

If you all do pre-orders that helped you beat the game, you should mention The Evil Within. You were given access to fire crossbow bolts which was the only weapon that could hurt Laura. Everyone else would have to run from her in their first encounter while those who pre-ordered could defeat her.

[@imrpovking845]

Need to do "7 Preorder bonuses that are essential to playing the game" AC Valhalla, Star Wars Outlaws and the newest Yakuza game come to mind.

[@420sakura1]

Skill issue

[@auric180]

I only get preorder bonus that adds - to the story. - costumes I see reasonable enough (makes sense for the character) to add in my story playthrough and yes 3rd person view - Same as above but for equipments. - I like the company and just want to support them. Like Life is Strange. 🙇🏻‍♂️

[@Mulbert]

Yep, I usually only preorder Assassin's Creed games (and then only if they have a preorder mission) but with Life is Strange I'm like shut up and take my money lol

[@lukefrohling]

“Best $100 I’ve ever spent”- I spit took my water on the wall- lol

[@PaleHorseShabuShabu]

Meanwhile, I *_still_* have and use my 2 GB flash drive from The Force Unleashed II's pre-order.

[@zachhatten261]

I never thought about it until Jane just said it, but why the hell to people even pre-order anymore? I was just so used to it being a part of new releases, but she's right. There's no physical copy you are reserving to make sure they have it in stock at release. There is literally no point in pre-ordering in modern games

[@Mulbert]

I do it for Assassin's Creed and Life is Strange because they're my two favourite games and usually Assassin's Creed games have a preorder quest (which does eventually become available for everyone but I like day 1 access!) The new Life is Strange most expensive preorder has early access for 2 weeks which I don't necessarily agree with as a concept but I will pay for lol. If there weren't at least any outfit bonuses I wouldn't preorder though, and never do with other games if it's just cosmetic stuff.

[@sebastianalhares]

Well, if you are dead set on buying, you can just do it now instead of later and the task is done.

[@Xanderj89]

The fee that come to mind are Preinstalls for online multiplayer titles for a head start, if they have interesting preorder incentives, or support of the studio. Or just to buy it while you’re thinking about it, since it’ll be the same price at launch anyway

[@ECODKyleskymast]

Another thing about the New Vegas pre order guns is that they're unaffected by perks, so they get quickly outclassed by weaker guns of their class. They're just about good for the early game and for shop fodder.

[@Alsebra]

I always stored them away at the first chance myself...but I always kept the canteen with me.

[@awmehgoddd]

@@Alsebra You take a sip from your trusty Vault 13 canteen

[@boxhead6177]

Jedi Fallen Order - 2 months after the release of the game, they just unlocked all the pre-order bonus items for every player who didn't pre-order. No official word, no comment, no reason given. So the bonus for pre-ordering was 2 months early access to cosmetics.

[@outwithayang7153]

Resident Evil 8. The gun you got from the deluxe edition was the worst gun in the game. It was only slightly better than the unupgraded starter pistol, but as soon as you bought a single upgrade for that then it outclassed the DLC weapon.

[@j.a.weishaupt1748]

I have three simple rules to make my life easier: 1. Always poop first, shower second 2. Don’t eat 1 hour before going to bed 3. Never, NEVER, pre-order games and DLC

[@Grayvorn]

I always seem to fail at 2.

[@chris92S]

In No Man's Sky getting the preorder ship was also a problem with some players because you couldn't get a hyperdrive for any other ship until they patched it.

[@EarlyBirm]

You gotta brighten up that new set. It's like you're trapped in a basement at evening time. Evening time is when I'm tired. The new set makes me tired when I see it! Omg... is this because the crew is getting older? The next new set will be the recreation room of a nursing home. 😢

[@endarkculi]

I remember preordering Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey for the DS, because it came with a soundtrack CD. I still have both that original disc, and the replacement they had to send out to every customer because the first disc didn't actually work, though I can't remember whether it was incorrectly formatted music files or the disc itself that was the reason why.

[@ilsingr5750]

I'm sure this has been said, and of course has no bearing on the games presented, but the Z-95 Headhunter was the predecessor to the X-Wing. So to Andy's credit they do look similar.

[@Alsebra]

One would think that Andy, as a Star Wars nerd, would have been able to separate the Headhunter from the X-Wing with ease..

[@michaelandreipalon359]

A pity it's also an obsolete predecessor, considering how many can be easily shot down in the TIE Fighter video game. And boy, am I not a fan of Jedi Academy's Jaden Korr piloting one. Why not give them an E-Wing instead?!

[@Tabbyclaw]

I had a dream many years ago that I was helping film an OX video and everyone had to stay late because Mike and Andy kept filming extra segments to rebut each other in some argument about a piece of Star Wars lore. I feel like part of that dream has come true.

[@87TIG]

Pre-orders used to be worth the effort but I haven't done so in over two decades, they can keep the player and weapon skins or the XP boosts for the grind-fests. It's how you know the game is unfinished anymore, they get to sell what would have been standard content if it was actually finished before being shipped to stores as a glorified beta version.

[@Yaarmehearty]

The Z95 headhunter, now that’s a name I haven’t heard since X-wing vs Tie fighter.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

For me, Empire at War, in which it can be "upgraded" into the far better X-Wing. Still an obsolete fighter though, the Zed-95, though not as much as the T-Wing.

[@azzrinickthegamingangel9121]

5:45 woooo speedrun

[@azzrinickthegamingangel9121]

I miss the pokemon dual steelbooks

[@Ganpan14O]

Ah yes, the quite literally everything skip

[@Hugelag]

You can't talk about useless pre-order bonuses without mentioning Sonic Lost World. For pre-ordering the game, you got the illustrious reward of 25 lives. Sure, everyone's mentioned how bad it is, but what nobody brings up is the fact that _you didn't get an extra life for getting 100 rings._ This has thankfully been fixed, but part of me wonders if it was really a mistake...

[@davidhall2063]

For Far Cry 5 you could preorder and get some really cool outfits for your customisable character. That you hardly see unless it's in photo mode.

[@UnFunnyMonkiez]

Love how over half the list is Lady Rose saying "Here's this bullshit." and the other half is Lady Douglas saying "Hold my Cabernet...." Lol

[@philmangaming9008]

The hat Gamestop offered with Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth as a preorder bonus, but they didn't ship it with the game and gave them away in their physical stores to anyone who bought a copy on release day, running out before I could go to a physical store to claim mine. Never again Gamestop.

[@PKMNwater]

"Pre-orders" at Gamestop has always been a complete joke in my experience. I remember one of the first games I was genuinely excited about enough to consider a pre-order I had ended up deciding against it. On launch day, I was at the mall with a friend who had pre-ordered from Gamestop, which had a huge queue for pre-order pick-ups, but they were also selling the same game over the counter with no line whatsoever. Weird, but I guess understandable. Not to be a dick to my friend who had to wait, I strolled across the whole mall to Wal-Mart, bought it there no problems and no line, got snacks, then came back to wait with my friend while playing the game. This was at about just past noon. Not only were we in the queue for about an hour before getting to the desk, they had ran out of the pre-order bonus allegedly "long ago in the morning" despite me definitely seeing people in the purchase line receiving the bonus vouchers when we had first arrived. I also noticed that the pick-up queue was still fairly long but the supply of boxes marked for pre-orders was dwindling, so we decided to stick around a bit to find out how they'd handle it. Maybe about another half hour later, they shut down the line for pre-orders, saying they had ran out of stock and to come back whateverday that week when they got a new shipment...while they were still selling the game over the counter literally 3ft away. Now, I understand that there might be a logistical reason and/or policy at play, but goddamn, the one wholly valid reason to pre-order something you'd think would be to ensure there'd be a game for you to pick up, but apparently Gamestop thinks otherwise. Absolute clowns.

[@hartursoaki4808]

The Ghostwire thing exemplifies my feelings about Cyberpunk being first person. You customize your character, the outfits are nice, but you can't see shit because is fist person

[@heatseekergaming8215]

What really grinds my gears is that 3rd person camera perspective in Cyberpunk is only possible through mods and as an Xbox player, that just adds insult to injury

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

I would love Cyberpunk but it just isn't a First Person kind of game. I really hate when you are driving in 3rd person and then get out of the car only to watch the view go back to 1st person. It was really annoying how the devs said the elaborate character creator was so the character "could be you". But the character wasn't me; it was a Nomad criminal named V. If I wanted it to be me, I could have just looked at myself in the mirror every once in a while. Clearly what happened was it was supposed to be changeable from 1st to 3rd person but they gave up on that option and just made it 3rd person.

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

@@heatseekergaming8215 I checked out that Cyberpunk 3rd person mod. It definitely not the same as if a game had legit 3rd person.

[@draconusfrigidus]

Mass Effect 3 had KEI-9, the FENRIS robot dog as part of the pre-order bonuses, basically one of the enemy creatures from ME2 that you could now have as the Normandy's 'pet'. Sounds cool yeah? Well the thing is, the dog is literally just set dressing for the Normandy's cargo bay. It doesn't do anything except walk back and forth along a preset space. You can't interact with it beyond having Shepherd say "Good boy!" to it, and it can't accompany you on missions, unlike Javik. It's just there to take up space.

[@lisah-p8474]

And now Bioware sells little resin statues of Shep petting him for $155 😂

[@dekkert5272]

Love the venerable Z95. Props for the mention.

[@PaleHorseShabuShabu]

I always loved seeing them in TIE Fighter. They were so easy to shoot down.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

​@@PaleHorseShabuShabuPrecisely why I never loved the craft. They're just so painfully obsolete.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Never loved the craft myself though. Give me an X-Wing, E-Wing, Zaarin-design TIE Defender anytime, or Missile Boat anytime.

[@zigazav1]

I know of terrible early purchase bonus in a game: Dragon Marked For Death's "Striker weapons", which were available to those who bought Dragon Marked For Death's Switch version (either of the two character packs, as on Switch, the game is listed twice on the Eshop, with the only difference being which half of the initial playable characters you get without purchasing DLC). Which were a series of weapons made to look like weapons used by the bosses of Inti Creates' other property Azure Striker Gunvolt. Why is this a bad early purchase bonus? Because, they were all level 10 weapons, and by the time you are at a high enough level to be able to use them without suffering a stat penalty for equipping a weapon you aren't high enough level to wield it, you've almost certainly already got a weapon that is stronger than the early purchase "Striker Pack" weapons. Although for the time this was the only way to get a greatsword for the Warrior, that is no longer the case, as later updates to the game added new weapon types that the initial 4 playable characters could use, and the Warrior gained more greatswords than only the early purchase bonus weapon. Plus, the Striker Pack weapons weren't even given to you out of the gate. You had to buy them from the weapon shop with easily obtainable ingame currency. And, any player of a game that uses the Monster Hunter formula for the gameplay loop of grinding, knows that buying weapons instead of crafting or getting them as drops from bosses, knows that's a waste of resources to buy weapons.

[@Paradox-es3bl]

Haven't mirrors worked in some games since like PS2? (And I think actually a few earlier rare exceptions. Like, is there a working mirror in Super Mario 64?) That's crazy Ghostwire Tokyo doesn't have working mirrors.

[@jordanstark5924]

I've never understood the hype around the game. Every time I see clips it's just a guy pointing his hands like a gun, shooting Marvel energy blasts

[@davidmcgill1000]

Most games faked mirrors by either drawing the world and characters again within the mirror world (like Super Mario 64 and Duke Nukem 3D), or doing a second render pass and drawing it to a texture to be drawn in the main render pass, which is very expensive. The first concept required space in the map to have the mirror world, while the second one had to potentially draw the entire world twice.

[@RobertJW]

Duke Nukem 3D had working mirrors in the PS1 Era.

[@BenjaminBattington]

The problem with reflections is that it's one of those things that gets more taxing on resources the better the graphics get. You're essentially rendering the scene 2x. There are ways to cheat it and cut corners of course, and many games do. But IMO when a reflection isn't accurate it can be quite distracting. It's hard to unsee it when the mirror has a lower resolution, lacks shadows, or in the case of Watchdogs, somehow shows the *back* of your head. So I suspect a lot of devs figure the cost-benefit ratio isn't worth it.

[@tyrus1235]

@@BenjaminBattington Some games manage to fake it nicely in specific circumstances. Cyberpunk and the remake of Resident Evil 3 both have the "duplicate geometry" trick in specific bathroom mirrors that mostly show up in cutscenes or specific menus.

[@TyrannostarusRex]

I think what upset me the most was that there were preorder options for Scarlet and Violet that were really cool, like a figure, a steelbook, a pin set, an art book, etc. But they weren’t even available at every store because not every store was doing preorders, even if the franchises advertised it. And all the online options sucks so if you didn’t live near a store that had a cool option, you had to just settle for an online one.

[@flyingwithbirbs1202]

Honestly I thought they were going to comment that preordering No Man's Sky in general was a waste of money because damn that game was so broken on release

[@nadeen3157]

In slight defense of Ghostwire Tokyo having outfits, nothing beats seeing the main character holding his dying sister in a very serious cut scene while dressed in a giant mascot costume

[@littlejefe494]

Some pre orders bonuses make it impossible to get all of the achievements/trophies to 100% a game

[@jadedheartsz]

which ones?

[@touchdom]

you can't say that and then not give examples

[@SkinnyENN]

Until some later updates, I know Arkham Knight’s pre order bonus locked the Harley Quinn and Red Hood stories behind a preorder bonus.

[@Jakahoe]

“Different retailers had different bonuses, because this is the fragmented hellscape we live in now”, in that perfectly even tone, made me laugh so hard I had to pause the video

[@Wiseguy150]

That first 20 seconds or so is exactly why I never preorder games anymore like I did in the early 2000s. When digital wasn't a thing and you had to make sure the store held you a physical copy...

[@DarkQueenHelba]

Honestly this is the only reason I still preorder. I love physical copies and a lot of the games I want are printing less of them. It still absolutely sucks however.

[@pnutbuttercups]

"FOMO: Fear of Missing Outfits" is such an attack on me

[@Fenrisson]

3:51 - Oh boy! What a deal!

[@CantankerousDave]

1:50 - It’s like Ellen has blocked all memory of the Nekkid Cyberpunk Incident.

[@christopherfu2169]

0:03 that was maybe the original intent, now it’s more like them trying to get you spending your money on a game you have close to no idea how good it is. Extra points for refusing refunds if the game turns out to be shit.

[@epislog178]

15:18 when I read this I thought: oh it must be stuff like the enigma berry! A cool little collectible one that’s nigh impossible to get.

[@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human]

Hey, a fellow Z-95 Headhunter fan! I have the Lego model of that ship. Genuinely love it.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Now, if only there are LEGO models for Xg-1 Starwings and Missile Boats...

[@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human]

@@michaelandreipalon359 There are some pretty great fan-made MOC sets of the Starwing, and some decent ones of the Missile Boat. If you're not aware, a lot of fan creators sell building instructions and part lists on sites like Bricklink. I'm sure you'd be able to find a good model on there. You can usually buy all the bricks on there too. I got a Horizon Thunderjaw set from there from my sister last Christmas. I recently made a MOC of a Katana fleet dreadnought. The Thrawn Trilogy is my fav Star Wars era.

[@AndersDahnielson]

I guess the green socks will make Mike's pink cargo pants pop even more in the videos.

[@Michael_Lindell]

I Pre-Ordered the Outside Green SoXtra Pack, soo fancy!

[@linkintalent]

I like how many of them "apologise" but aren't actually sorry for what they did.

[@burgermike92]

Honestly you could do a whole list of useless pre order bonuses from Pokemon of recent years from NoA.

[@midnitest0rm]

One that I really think is worth mentioning is Splinter Cell: Blacklist For the pre-order bonus you got a sniper rifle, a non-lethal crossbow that fired sleeping gas and shocker darts, the colour gold for the lights on your goggles, and a side mission. But here’s the thing: the crossbow you get is a nerfed version of a crossbow that already exists in the game. The non-DLC crossbow fires sleeping gas, shockers, EMPs, AND noise makers, whereas the pre-order bonus one only fired the first two, so it’s totally pointless. Also, the bonus itself is HALF of a DLC pack. As in, you can buy the pack for like $10, and it comes with even more, including more gear and one extra side mission. Yeah, I was pissed. Great game tho.

[@oxfanblink4115]

What a ending 😆😆😆😆 Poor Andy though we noticed you mate 🙂

[@krvgames9258]

At least with the Mythical Pecha Berry, you get that after completing the base game and both DLCs, and you need that to fight Pecharunt.

[@kurtwagner4663]

Pretty much any Pre-Order Bonus that is just and only a cosmetic skin and nothing more is useless. And quite a few games are guilty of that.

[@aaronvasseur6559]

If it looks cool its worth it it’s free throw in content so who cares

[@kurtwagner4663]

​​@@aaronvasseur6559hey if you cool with that you do you. But for me it's not worth it. You buy a game with zero reviews on it yet and can end up with a game you barely play because it doesn't fit your play style. It happened to me with Werewolf Apocalypse.

[@jadedheartsz]

Yeah Crackdown 2 had a fucking avatar item as a pre-order bonus(an agency helicopter you could give to your Xbox avatar).

[@PaladinCasdin]

Fallout: New Vegas was the last physical game I pre-ordered. To this day I still have my platinum chip from the collector's edition sitting on my desk. I honestly never noticed the issue with the Weathered 10mm Pistol because who the hell would use that long enough to mod it?

[@SwissSareth]

how about the opposite? Best bonuses that did not end up breaking the game for people who didn't pre-order?

[@clearlypellucid]

The worst preorder bonus I ever got was from Battlefield 2142. If you preordered from Best Buy, you got the "Bofors Defense Rifle" to replace the default SCAR-11 used by the EU faction. The problem was that it took up like a third of the damn screen, massively blocking your ability to see anything whatsoever. It easily took up twice as much of your screen real estate as the weapon it replaced. The best part? You couldn't choose to use the default skin if you had it. You were stuck with a big ugly rifle taking up space on your monitor forever.

[@SerialBitBanger]

Love the Event Horizon reference! So is that how you escaped the void?

[@gitripgutkick1105]

It did make me giggle (because I'm sad clearly) that she couldn't name the Event Horizon from Event Horizon.

[@Artificer1911]

I really enjoyed the courier's stash. Those pre order packs give a lot of useful items for the start of the game, and the ones you don't want you can just sell, which is also useful. I guess I just didn't use the Weathered 10mm too much because I never noticed any problems with it.

[@springer1786]

How could anyone think that early access, for a live-service title, that requires an online community to get the most of, in a genre that is notoriously difficult to get running efficiently due to the nature of being, you know, reliant on online connection, is a worthwhile pre-order bonus?

[@mirandahughes2312]

I remember hearing about Fallout 76 not giving people who pre-ordered a canvas bag that was advertised. They gave a refund in the atomic shop that was so low you couldn't afford the one skin that did have a canvas bag.

[@Treevors30]

0:14 I like pre-orders when they give you a little something that no one else will get but who screwed up royally was Mortal Kombat 1 land up selling the stuff in the store anyways so what the hell was the point of me pre-ordering it

[@5_tokki]

So you get that stuff early. Just like the game itself.

[@Ani-rq7wv]

Don’t forget the Dragon Age game or whatever, which has multiple preorders that don’t even include the game(physical or otherwise). Absolutely insane

[@stevenchoza6391]

Any plans to make a video on Fallout: London?

[@LadyBern]

Man the last physical preorder bonus i got was a lanyard and I still have it. One thing i have about preorder bonuses is that you no longer feel special or thanked for preordering because any special skin or weapon will be available in the special bundle along with all of the skins, special hidden Easter egg weapons, and dlc chapters little under a year later.