$70K vs $50K?...6th Gen 4Runner TRD Pro & TRD Off Road Comparison

[@TRDJon]

Which new 6th Gen 4Runner will be worth it?? Check Out Our 6G 4Runner Forum: 6thgen4runner.com

[@joshuagray5094]

Did the quality feel different from the Tacoma? Could you see a difference in Japan made vs Mexico/usa made?

[@everydaybettereverydaystronger]

None. Keep your 5th gen. It's the modern day FZJ80 LandCruiser

[@MichaelKory]

I’ve had a 4Runner for eight years, 2016 with 110k miles and this looks like a downgrade in every way. Just throw a new head unit in a 5th gen and call it good.

[@ronnieblea4422]

Couldn’t agree more!

[@Anomize23]

I have a 2017 here and I thought i was the only one seeing this as a downgrade. I couldn’t even get into the land cruiser excitement, so I am not having high hopes for this 4cyl runner. I bought plenty of 4cylinder vehicles in the past and I am not about to spend more money on a 4cyl vehicle going forward.

[@koehh4652]

@@Anomize23ehh I have a 2015 TRD Pro that I will never get rid of, but the new powertrain is better in every way to be honest. Obviously I will wait at least 5-10 years to see the durability of these long term. I think these will be a classic in the future just like 5th gens now, 4th gens before that, and 3rd gens before that. Made in Japan is what keeps the appeal high for this vehicle. If it was made anywhere else then I would 100% agree with you. Trust the japanese, if after 5 years they have a lot of issues then we will see what they do with the 7th gens before

[@DizTroy81]

I just replaced my 7 year old 4Runner with a 2024 TRD Offroad Premium and I'll keep it forever. Toyota has never had respect from the North American market

[@everydaybettereverydaystronger]

100%

[@Yul-Uhlu]

The Dollar Store called, they want their plastics back. 50k...smh

[@rocinblues]

Looked at the MIJ Crown Signia, the lower rear bumper had the exact "shinny" black plastic seen on the TRD (wheel well flare). Looked like high gloss Krylon on plastic and looked so cheap. If you think that 4Runner wheel well flare looked cheesy, just wait till you see in-person; you'll really be shaking your head.

[@DizTroy81]

Yup this thing is a joke.. Listening to disingenuous Toyota fanboys try to hype this trash has been hilarious.

[@arciagmm]

I would have to agree with you. Im really disappointed. Plus theyre gunna be way over priced!! WTH!!​@DizTroy81

[@Anomize23]

@@DizTroy81 Im a Toyota fan and not hyping up this crap. 🙈 Chrome plastic fender flares. What atrocity

[@DizTroy81]

@@Anomize23 I referenced "listening to disingenuous Toyota fanboys trying to hype this"... Pretty straightforward English there. Not sure why you are telling me you aren't hyping it

[@iwazaru8101]

Only about 1% of the US population (i.e., Toyota truck enthusiasts) would know you spent $70K on a TRD Pro. 99% will think it's just a $40K Toyota (the average price of a 4Runner in the past 20 years).

[@jensalan]

Yet everyone complaining about the price will only look at the TRD Pro and say OMG they're all so expensive... 😂

[@joshknutson16]

Definitely would just buy a GX550 at this price range

[@lorenzosorice]

That or a LC. Too much overlap going on in toyota...

[@Christian-Berger]

The gx is just as chincy at the rest of the Toyota/ lexus lineup. Got to spend time on one at a couple different expos and the quality is just not there anymore. They all feel so cheap, and gaps are terrible and they creak and rattle when new

[@getinthespace7715]

Except you gotta dump premium in that twin turbo v6 in the GX550. That increases operating costs by 25-30% and the engines on the gx550 have been going out due to manufacturing issues. I figure in 2-3 years the price of the GX550's used will be at that sweet spot. Dropped about 40-50% from msrp. Then you pick up a good lease return used. There should be some good remaps so you can run regular in it by then without sacrificing much.

[@franbelta1533]

No the engine issues was 1 batch or motors, everybody doesn’t know the difference between a batch and entire motors smh

[@getinthespace7715]

@franbelta1533 , yeah, but it is indicative of a MASSIVE quality control failure. You may be able to just write that off. I worked as a quality engineer for a while. Missing something that big is indicative of some huge problems with quality control. There are corners being cut.

[@ASKid24]

So a well equipped TRD off road will be near $60K 😂 Toyota can keep both of them.

[@Jojo-ni2cg]

man, glade I purchased the 2024 4runner pro before these came out.

[@TRDJon]

Nice!

[@baoly9550]

$50k and no dual climate zone AC? Toyota gotta make money up for all the Tundra engine recalls. LoL

[@Anomize23]

@@baoly9550 no speakers or lights in the rear trunk either on the lower trim models. They are definitely trying to make it up for those recalls

[@baoly9550]

@@Anomize23 , didn't even see that. People will still buy it because it has a 4runner and "Off Road" badge and aura. Then slap on a bunch of off road stuff and go to the mall and Starbucks to show off. LOL.

[@bluedevil0111]

These videos make me pat myself on the back for snagging a ‘24 TRD ORP in September. Unobtainable now.

[@stevenm6301]

Same. Bought a 2023 ORP a year ago. Soooo glad I did.

[@HighHouseDark_]

Same. Got mine in August. Couldn't be happier

[@06XTOR]

Same here

[@utubetjc]

I bought my second 5th Gen (2023 TRD ORP) October 2023. Glad I did. MSRP was $54,732. KDSS and many options.

[@IntoTheMystery13]

Wow the offroad has been castrated. How can they even all it the offroad model? I thought the new gen would grow on, but the more I see it the more it just looks "wrong". And 70k for a 4runner? They are out of their minds.

[@Anomize23]

Its for sure a watered down utility vehicle and more of a van now with a slightly more lift. People really need to open their eyes at this point. I love Toyotas but this is too hard for me to watch this atrocity 🙈

[@sincityman3533]

Can someone explain to me how every 5th gen model had speakers and lights in the tailgate but on the 6th gen only the premium models have them? WTF is Toyota doing? And all the plastics?

[@jaysonnunley6602]

It was the same in the 4th gen

[@dobbingo9313]

It’s honestly shocking how cheap these both look. Very disappointing

[@EricLabelle-cj6bk]

Next you’re going to say the Colorado wasn’t cheap looking and Trump never lies 😂😂😂

[@KG-kq9tk]

@EricLabelle-cj6bk. Trump lies far less than the rest of Washington at least, Eric 🤷.

[@Tigermeg816]

They need to put the 4Runner letters back where they were or stamp the rear hatch. Would look 1000% better from the back.

[@smcstl]

As a 5th gen owner, I will not consider the 6th gen until there is a V6.

[@TRDJon]

Then you'll never consider it.

[@brentc2117]

A glorified grocery getter with a turbo 4 banger costing north of $60k?! Toyota YOU CAN KEEP IT!

[@JJJ5.7]

Trd offroad is looking on the cheap side with the plastic and cloth seats.

[@pbwin86]

For 50k there's way better options in the market..

[@zachseiff7630]

@@pbwin86 like what?

[@Fishbed77]

It’s pretty sad how they de-contented the 6th Gen TRD Off-Road versus the 5th Gen.

[@arhamkhakwani5851]

One thing to note tho is that the new Gen doesn’t offer a “TRD Off-road Premium Package”

[@c1rca23]

@@arhamkhakwani5851yes it does

[@Christian-Berger]

De-contented all while raising the price 10k

[@DMLjeff]

yeah no lights on the rear hatch, ticky tacky.

[@Anomize23]

@@DMLjeff no lights and NO speakers. 🙈

[@CrippleCreekStudios]

I still want to see the TRD ORP version of the 6th Gen. I generally like what I see so far, but of course I want to make a direct comparison to my 5th Gen.

[@TRDJon]

I wanna see one too!

[@TheCree2010]

This is the first ever video I’ve heard you with a “different” tone to your voice. I’m not exactly sure how to explain, but you said less excited and more like it’s forced. I’m not sure if you don’t like the vehicles, but I’m sorry if this isn’t what you want to be doing. I hope you can talk about the vehicles exactly how you want and be true to your thoughts one day

[@SpeedRacer1999]

Jon is surrounded by all kinds of other people who are also filming, so respectfully he is not his usual tone, as to avoid disrupting others by being louder.

[@TRDJon]

This was a faster video to try and get it recorded for you all since I was running outta time prior to many more people surrounding the vehicle.

[@jonaustin262]

So glad i picked up my 23 solar octane trd pro

[@mohamedhelmyjr]

Is that a reasonable price for a 4 runner,toyota is increasing the prices of their cars and the quality is not as good as pricing, a fully loaded Camry AWD xse sells at 45k ,, and the fully loaded 4 runner is expected to be around the 70’s ,that’s crazy for a2.5 liter 4 cylinder Toyota..

[@omarkhanlilcurry]

I’ll get a 5th gen and be happy with it

[@TRDJon]

Plenty used out there

[@DaveA8385]

Really appreciate the video. I’d go Trd off-road with the hybrid system.

[@itayrozenstein6989]

Buy me one too if you have the extra cash😂

[@Mr99Burns]

I just tried the new Land Cruiser. 4 cylinder Engine is loud. My 5th gen 4Runner might be slower but the 4 liter makes nice sounds when pushed.

[@daedrik3577]

The day is not far where you will be able to 3D Print your 4runner and use your 1000W Jackery as the motor.

[@Christian-Berger]

Would probably be better quality than these

[@adamgoble7270]

i would pick a 2024

[@TRDJon]

Not many left!

[@walawala-fo7ds]

I wish they offered an AWD tier as the part time 4WD system is a non-starter for constant snow and wet slush.

[@michaellarson2088]

The matte finish plastic on the off road looks a million times better than the glossy stuff.

[@rayc76knoxville]

Which one would I get? I would get the 5th Gen - like the one I have. So glad to have it with KDSS!

[@davidwethington9320]

I would probably mod a TRD sport for the price point and looks.

[@alfonsog5136]

Hey Jon! Nice video! That’s at Sema garage in Diamond bar isn’t it ? Looks familiar!

[@TRDJon]

Yessir!

[@175psi]

Toyota thinks that people just will go along with the high prices and less quality and in a couple of years everyone will love their turbo crap engines.

[@TRDJon]

They aren't. Tacoma and Tundra are under MSRP. Simple supply and demand with the consumer controlling the market

[@jensalan]

Everyone says they're going to buy the TRD Pro. Nobody actually needs it. It's purely a status symbol that's capable. The one people actually want should be the limited, maybe the platinum. The torsen center diff makes it the best all around platform, even if Toyota doesn't put in all the electronic off road goodies. (lockers can always be added) Anyone who actually off roads will buy a cheaper model and upgrade it. Circumvent the Toyota tax and make it their own.

[@upperleftnorthwest4278]

Theres no other excuse toyota couldnt have fit the 1GR in this gen other than EPA requirements. The LC300 for the middle eastern market literally offers this engine as an option, meaning the TNGA-F can support this.

[@jonsilver5833]

With the materials Toyota is using and the price the 4Runner is going to be we will see them stack up on the dealer lots right next to the Tundras

[@Anomize23]

Youd think they would learn from the mistakes from the tundras🙈

[@dee151]

TRD OR, not a fan of the gloss black fenders on the pro, those will be the first thing to get scratch up taking this on any kind of off rode ding

[@Anonymous-sy2nh]

Thanks Jon. Appreciate then content. What is your rank order for overall sense of quality for the latest generation: Tacoma, Land Cruiser, 4Runner, Tundra? I realize time will tell, but I need to replace a 20 year old Sequoia soon and would like your input. Disregard the pickup versus SUV. Just what is your gut ranking of overall quality of these models? Thank you.

[@TRDJon]

I haven't seen a new 4R yet (production materials) so it is hard to put at them moment. But Tundra is at the bottom for sure. I may put Tacoma, LC, 4R, then Tundra at the moment

[@johnk9379]

Dose the 6th gen TRD off-road going to keep the KDSS system like what they did with the 5th gen off road model?

[@cartopia6161]

TRD off-road would be my choice. No raised floor in the back for more storage, non-hybrid. I’ll keep the $20k difference for investments.

[@dj_86]

If you are worried about investments, you probably won’t be buying the new 4 cylinder one anyways. You could have bought the 2024 one before they sell out

[@ItsAlive111]

Plus all the differences he mentioned are relatively easily addressed with aftermarket or OEM parts swaps

[@sommguy1792]

I'm so happy. I bought an off-road premium plus this year. These new ones not worth the money.

[@schollafitness3004]

Jon, do you know if the TRD ORP will have the premium headlights and taillights like the pro?

[@TRDJon]

I’m not sure if an ORP will or not.

[@gearmonkey5904]

Overpriced junk that looks like 🐕 💩. Toyota you have truly lost your way and you are alienating your loyal customers.

[@DB-os7wl]

Thank CAFE and big government

[@davegillette2463]

What size is the gas tank on the non-hybrid TRD Off Road?

[@montymuseitef53]

I’ll keep my 5th Gen, thank you !!

[@TRDJon]

Heck ya

[@itayrozenstein6989]

Hands down the 5th generation 4Runner will definitely be missed. These new generation Toyota trucks is poorly designed and engineered with all the respects and definitely not worth the price increase

[@davidwethington9320]

Prices are already going up on the 5th Gen. Mine is currently worth what I paid for it and that's for trade in value.

[@AllTheBeef]

Are the standard headlights LED or are they the old halogens?

[@TRDJon]

LED in the whole car

[@Boostedgreengo]

I don’t understand why the Pro Tacoma and 4Runner have gloss black flares when the Pro Tundra and Sequoia have the digital camo. They all have similar digital camo seats and that theme is used on the flares of some, but not all. I personally think the gloss black is a pretty stupid choice. Some may not like the digital camo flares, but they are better than the gloss.

[@retirementOwl]

Leaning TRD Off-Road for $16k less. I prefer to not lose the cargo space the battery takes up. It's a bummer you can't option the 3rd row seats on the Off_Road. Still undecided, neither excites me as much as I had hoped. For 5th gen and earlier lovers I'd say I prefer the wider and longer wheel base on the 6th gen and at 1 inch lower, the vehicle proportions look better to me and should offer superior ride quality.

[@Tigermeg816]

I understand the price jump with the new technology changes. That’s a lot of plastic though. It’s hard to adapt to the new looks when our brains have been conditioned to the 5th gen for so long.

[@ggtelevision]

Glad I own a 2020 Off Road w/KDSS.

[@ianarsenault]

Not a fan of the unpainted plastics, I think the vehicle looks much better fully color matched, but that's just me. Looks more like cost savings than a true design choice.

[@pzadach]

I'm not sure if that gloss black trim is a good idea.

[@ronnieblea4422]

The 5th generation TRD off road looked so much nicer. It’s looks cheap with those plastic fender flares. The only colors that might be decent are black and dark grey.

[@donays8241]

I would like to know if the glove box does the same thing as the tacoma?

[@TRDJon]

Yes it moves slightly

[@themix7948]

I heard the TRD pro has a option to not have the hybrid system

[@TomL2025]

Jon, would you buy any of these 6G 4Runner for yourself?

[@TRDJon]

I will be yes

[@jeremylewis4620]

I always thought Id be open to the next Gen Fourrunner, however im second guessing that logic. Just not a fan of the look or the powertrain. Honestly has me looking at other vehicles.

[@muskelon8989]

Based on price, 5 gen is the best and buy it as soon as possible.

[@MeJonTheDon]

My 5th gen SR5 is apparently more premium than a 6th gen TRD Offroad... I have rear door hatch speakers, and these do not. Pretty sad how many things they took away feature/quality-wise with several feature upgrades and trying to hack up prices. I day trying becuase they may, for some..but these won't sell at volume at these prices. The math just doesn't work.out anymore. You'd think the bean counters would have at least looked at median incomes and median costs of actual necessities, along with interest rates, before making such awful business decisions. No worries. Time will force them back to reality, these are just paper prices the same way that stock market gains are just paper, and may very well fall before a transaction actually takes place

[@Origon09]

I was wanting to purchase the 4 runner. But idk it just seems so expensive. For 38k you can get a fully loaded Camry. And get twice the fuel economy. Ehhh this sucks 47k for cloth seats it ridiculous

[@TRDJon]

Depends on what you need the car for. Those are two polar opposite vehicles.

[@HiPlains1]

Basically the runner is all the weak areas of the new Tacoma. Same internal bump stops. No external trans intercooler Etc. loads of hard plastics compared to the old. All tnga means is cheaper manufacturing processes higher margins.

[@e-deisel]

I know the Pro doesn’t, but does the Off Road come with a 3rd row? Just curious.

[@TRDJon]

No it does not

[@e-deisel]

@ thanks jon

[@vinceleone8003]

How about a comparison of Limited to a Platnum?? Why all the focus on TRD models..

[@TRDJon]

Cuz the Platinum wasn't here to do that next to the limited or else I would have

[@Origon09]

Does the limited come with leather seats. Or are they soft Tex?

[@ArtieMcYardie]

No genuine leather. Softex.

[@c1rca23]

Limited gets softex, platinum gets leather.

[@c1rca23]

@@ArtieMcYardieleather on the platinum

[@JohnnyReno71]

Even 50k seems high to me. I’d rather get a SR5 premium but I don’t think they make them anymore? Why? To get you to buy a higher priced model. Probably

[@timmccall4566]

OR.....hear me out.... FJ cruiser/1-4th gen 4runner/mid 2000's tundra with the 4.7. Paying north of 30k for a vehicle is absolutely absurd.

[@arciagmm]

70K for the PRO ???!!! SERIOUSLY????? Serious question..

[@TRDJon]

No idea. That’s why I put a question mark in the title

[@bradhewitt6779]

Alot more negative than positive comments. I am sure the new 4 runner will drive way better and get better mpgs. But having just brought 24 off road love the old school quality and knowing what I'm getting. Not worth the better driving power train in the long run.

[@justahumbledude]

Keeping my 24 Pro. I love the old school.

[@TRDJon]

It will and it will have to prove itself like all the other 4Runners prior to it. Toyota people are always a gen behind to approve it seems.

[@justinlikesme19]

The pro is 7 seater?

[@TRDJon]

I showed it in this video

[@tellinustr8up]

Wait, how does he know the pricing before everyone else?

[@TRDJon]

I don't. We are assuming.

[@Bobby_86415]

All we needed was a transmission upgrade Toyota and you give us this crap! 6th Gen will be a fail in 4runner history in my opinion.

[@TRDJon]

Doubt it

[@jjk109]

TRD Off Road Premium. No gloss black

[@OG-Sinx]

Absolutely no reason for prices to be this insane

[@Ed-gq8hk]

Nice lookin RAV4!!😂😂

[@kobe96392]

Jon what happened to the 6th gen 4Runner hitting the lots before the end of the year? What about them being produced in December? Especially since they aren’t even being allocated yet! It’s almost like I know what I’m talking about 🫵😂🫵

[@TRDJon]

They are starting production and dealers have been mentioning that allocations are going out in mid December. So it will be happening. I never said they will hit the lots in Dec.

[@House_of_Schmidt]

Heres a car we call "TRD Off Road".. we gave you H/T tires with it...

[@atomicdog5359]

The matte fenders on the Off Road look better than the gloss ones on the Pro.

[@kidwelldavid6136]

I would more than likely go with the OFF-ROAD. The pro I feel is going to be too much $$$$$$$$$$$, like the Tacoma is. Both are looking great.

[@roycemartin9068]

The base model looks so stripped down, bare bones nothing interior. So crazy how they charge what they charge and produce something like that

[@follow_fraser3081]

You didn't check the door sicker to see if it was made in Japan

[@TomL2025]

If this is NOT a Toyota brand, same car, same engine, same options , how much do you think these car worth?

[@davidwethington9320]

Put a Nissan badge on it and the price goes down 5-10k depending on trim and it will be naturally aspirated. That would please a lot of people. Until they get what they said they want and complain about the power. Like with the 5th Gen. Can't make some people happy no matter what.

[@coreylucas5997]

I found a 2021 4 runner SR5 beautiful deep blue with side steps , 36,000 miles for 26 grand 😮, I’m so desperate to get it I sent inquires to the dealership, that V6 I treasure true it’s a gas guzzler but that aside reliability is the strong suit for this Ute, I have 0 interest in the latest crap turbo 4s ones way over priced I rather save more on used, I’m not against this new design but just give a V6 option 😮

[@humbertorodriguez7906]

Why is Toyota messing with us!!! Just give us the damn price already !!!

[@noctilucent7396]

The LC.

[@neelsingh94]

Why do you say 50k vs 70k in the title but in the video you say you don’t know what the price will be?

[@TRDJon]

I said it with a “?” In the title…

[@iamjoonbugg]

Man I love the 4runner / tundra, owned a few.. hurts to see how horribly they butchered the new Gen. switching over to GM 😪

[@domin8ss]

To some women, like my wife, exterior color matters. She wants blue or green. That'll cause her to go with the TRD Off Road versus the TRD Pro. Toyota left money on the table simply by skimping on the color selection.

[@TRDJon]

Saves you money though

[@domin8ss]

@TRDJon I'd rather have the TRD Pro

[@nightcrawleroriginal]

Always a fan of hood Scoops, but these are not the right shape for the style of this truck (personally speaking).

[@KickinItTogether]

Pro 💯

[@aaronchase38]

Aren't all 4runners built in Japan?

[@ArtieMcYardie]

Yes

[@richardwarfield7386]

I can't rationalize the look of the 6th Gen with the black fender flares. Makes the vehicle look short wheel based and scrunched up. My eyes focus on the fender flares and wheel arches because it just doesn't look right to me. It doesn't say off-road capable to me - looks alot like a grocery getter yet.

[@ALMX5DP]

Black fender flares make it look like a grocery getter to you?

[@Anomize23]

@@ALMX5DP GLOSSY black yeah. 👍 You dont understand how many scratches are about to come up those fenders. 🙈

[@ALMX5DP]

@@Anomize23 it’s just a color/finish though so I was not sure how that could realistically cause someone to feel or think that it’s less capable. Similarly if the entire vehicle was black. The color to me is an aside from what I believe something is capable of.

[@southernfarmtech]

Still looks cheapy and pre-producitiony, like it's trying to look more quality than it is with its gloss black and flashy looks. The thing with the 5th generation it didn't matter if you got a base SR5 (like me) or a top of the line Limited, all of them felt solid inside and out. No creaky cheap plastic. The door card materials, the seats, etc, all felt solid and quality. They look, feel , and drive, like like just an honest solid rig that you can keep for 20+ years. This looks like it takes a knee to the iPad babies who want all the tech and bells and whistles. They got it - but the build quality had to take a hit. Otherwise a 60,000 rig would cost 90,000.

[@gregjoubert5118]

Hey Jon. On the TRD ORP is the sunroof an option or does it come standard like the Tacoma. I prefer a premium but without the sunroof. I do really wish the fender flares were body colored. The non painted works ok with the Tacoma but not as well with the 4R. Be well.

[@Theone0611]

gloss black will look so bad after one highway drive…. All that road debris will leave their mark all over…

[@alexanderb4795]

it looks so aggressive I wish they were like 40k though maybe some day that’s when I’ll switch to team Toyota.

[@arthurp15]

You said “texturedized and spelt” both not real words. The high gloss plastic fenders are terrible and so to is the raised hump in the back. Not good if you have dogs. Also, who decided that camo would be cool in this vehicle?

[@briann6255]

rear hatch speakers only for high end 4runners ? lol

[@TRDJon]

Unless it was a pre production thing

[@a2r7n6]

Gloss black flares tells me Toyota thinks owners don't off road their Pros.

[@TRDJon]

The TRD Pro is more for high speed in open places per their marketing. So it would encounter brush to scratch

[@edgaresquivel2147]

So 70k and 90k?