The NEW VATSIM CODE OF CONDUCT - Let's go over the most important changes | Real Airline Pilot

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[@tomstravels520]

Use of guard frequency is now permitted in line with real world procedures VATSIM users: Meow

[@A330Driver]

That's EXACTLY what I'm expecting! :D

[@gwalker3092]

Real world procedures and VATSIM not something you hear often 😅

[@Manuel-9-]

Came to say this 😂

[@pedjaracan4590]

For checking free gate vatsim-radar is also useful since it has marked gates on the map

[@tin2001]

In not a VATSIM user, but I believe LittleNavMap also can log into VATSIM and show live aircraft and what gates they are at.

[@Danimalpm1]

When you mentioned the uncontrolled aprons in the U.S., I immediately thought of the infamous “Virgin Pilot Gets Angry During Taxi” video out of KAUS where a VIR pilot was seriously unimpressed with the pushback timing of a SWA 737 and multiple crews chimed in on the radio with less than professional but amusing commentary. Patience is a virtue. Go on gents, we’ll be filing on this!

[@m_swizzy22]

My first VATSIM experience was incredibly nice, I was being overtaken by a Ryanair 737 on approach, and guess who the ATC told to go around, they gave me a 200kn speed restriction for a previous arrival as Cork needs a backtrack on the runway to vacate it, while Mr. Ryanair was coming in hot, they didn't even extend his final that much. My man is calling Shamrock to go around am like, are you for real mate haha! got to practise my Go Around at least can't remember last time I had to do one.

[@virtualunitedpilot]

Out of the 5 years I've been on vatsim ive used guard correctly once every other time was a standard meow check 😂

[@EDDHMETAR]

I kind of get the changes but to be honest I personally don’t believe that they will have a huge impact on pilot behaviour in general on the network. I would say the majority of people already use up to date charts and inform themselves about local differences and procedures. The people who disregard most of the basic rules and guidelines will continue to do so for sure regardless of the new rules. And then there is the issue of enforcement. How can a supervisor reasonably decide whether a User actively informed himself about local procedures? I mean many people on the network are not professionals and might have a bad day or do mistakes by accident. So I agree that from an idealistic standpoint everyone should comply with the new rules but in reality it remains a hobby environment which is prone to some level of “chaos” and amateur behaviour. I personally have no problem with that :)

[@markcunneen8525]

Another informative video Emmanuele. This Vatsim change puts us all on notice to follow instruction implicitly from our devoted ATC controllers. It also brings us a step closer to real-world dynamics. Something very welcome to seasoned simmers. Thanks' for the update - Greetings from Australia

[@balintszij7126]

Thank you for the video! As for the squawk codes, I wish VATSIM assigned the codes in the whole world as it is done in the US areas on the network.

[@stevek.9424]

I probably need to make (or find) a cheat sheet for doing holds in the different aircraft I fly, i.e. Fenix A32x ,PMDG 737/777, Garmin G3000, etc. Each one is a bit different.

[@tin2001]

And then check they work. As they're not necessarily used very often in sims, sometimes there are bugs with holds in some FMS implementations.

[@Deadeye313]

The problem with guard frequency is some planes don't have a com 2 or their com 2 doesn’t work even if it's modelled. I'd encourage ATC to still use contact me if guard doesn't work. Otherwise, we might as well monitor guard instead of unicom and guard becomes the defacto unicom.

[@maxdenhaag1]

Flying a holding pattern would be a game changer example hold on a waypoint with an inbound of 330 standard turns and the expected time to exit, instead of always hold as published. If you have access to AtplQ Airlaw it has a good explanation.

[@A330Driver]

The tricky part here is the turn direction: While a standard traffic pattern is to the left, the holding is to the right.

[@bencalhoun8216]

If you fly VFR on VATSIM you can request that and ATC gives it to you accurately like in real life. However the reason 99% of holding in VATSIM is as published is because that is what usually happens in real life.

[@gregoryl.4872]

Thanks E. As always, appreciate your videos.

[@mightymackrel5548]

These changes to the COC are all well and good, but will they be enforced? Too many times I've had to wallop someone for causing issues by not making calls/monitoring Unicom and nothing being done about it. I even had a SUP dismiss me when I reported someone for cutting me off last night, then my ticked was closed without it being read when I took it higher... Looks to me like we can break all the rules we want as long as we disconnect before a supervisor is contacted?

[@tin2001]

I think they're going to need to create a dedicated "noobs" network, geographically limtied so controllers can handle it, for peope new to ATC and/or vatsim (or even just testing new aircraft theyre bot too sure about) to practice. This could then have dramatically lowered expectations and rules so people feel more comfortable getting started. I know I for one probably wont be jumping in very soon if theyre making it more strict.

[@bourne-jagt1716]

Thanks Emanuel.

[@maverick2671]

Seems to me that VATSIM may soon be a thing of the past if SayIntentions and Beyond ATC keep making progress. I haven’t flown on VATSIM alot, but the few times I have, there was no coverage or a controller decided to disconnect 2 minutes prior to my pushback. I’d rather have full coverage everywhere 24/7. I’ll wait until those are up to speed and use that instead.

[@oldpeopleplayinggames9426]

dont think so. I always will prefer the realism of Vatsim over the AI solutions. I would assume that Beyond ATC and Sayintentions appeal to a broader audience of simmers, but if you are deep in it, no machine will be able to mirror the Vatsim experience

[@maverick2671]

Don’t get me wrong. I would much prefer VATSIM and that human interaction. It’s just a bit of an immersion killer to me if there isn’t full coverage, or many times no coverage which I realize is not possible.

[@luschmiedt1071]

@@maverick2671 I think long term we will get hybrid solution. I like knowing there are other humans around way more but i also prefer to fly in europe since we have the best coverage. It can be frustrating when you are chasing sectors late at night and they one by one log of minutes before you enter ;)

[@FrostbitexP]

​@@oldpeopleplayinggames9426 I mean, saying no machine will be able to mirror it is a stretch. in 20 years programs like these might be so high fidelity its literally no different than an experience in real life. With ATCs taking unrecognizably different than real life, having full on personalities, memorization (perhaps you fly there often and they recognize you), small spats (even between other AI pilots), moments of confusion, etc. Basically in a way thats unrecognizable to a human. Of course though, that time is not now. Nor will it be for some time.

[@Avia_FJ]

@@maverick2671 Doubt it will be that "soon" and even if, certainly not because of the AI ATC substitutes available elsewhere...gosh they are miles behind anything "realistic" now. Nothing would prevent Vatsim from using the same technology either, much likely we will soon have a mixture of live human ATC and very basic AI in uncontrolled sectors similar to what's being tested now in VATUSA. I mean teaching AI to understand and interpret different dialects, wrong spellings, different and thick accents....it's going to take aaages! No AI would ever substitute any native French ATC, that's well beyond any AI brain for the next one thousand years 😁!

[@Krugz2112]

Just get into the habit of switching to your outside view when you spawn into VATSIM to see if you’re on someone. After 20+ years it’s nice to finally see this.

[@danieladdo1588]

thank you this helps

[@johnik6949]

Which airport are you parked at in this vid?

[@A330Driver]

FSIA

[@rob0085]

Speaking of Holding points I have a question. I was on VATSIM flying into South Lake Tahoe and received these instructions: "At KING intersection, hold N West 171 inbound - turn right turn - standard leg - expect further at 2328z..." I knew he wanted me to do a right holding pattern at the waypoint KING but I was completely lost on the rest. I informed him I was sure about the rest and he was helpful. However, I do want to know what to do if I ever run across this again. Would you be able to do a video explaining how a procedure like this would be done? Thanks.

[@A330Driver]

Hi, except for the "hold N West" part this is basically a standard holding instruction. A holding is defined by 3 (4) parts: Inbound Course to the fix Direction of turns Length of legs (minimum/maximum holding altitude) So in your case you create the holding as follows in your FMC: 171 inbound R turns Legtime depends on altitude: 1 minute below FL140, 1:30 above it. The last part tells you when to expect to leave the hold. Whenever a delay exceeds 20 minutes, the controller must inform you of the expected approach time (EAT).

[@rob0085]

@@A330Driver Thank you

[@mulhama5026]

Great! It’s time to filter the network.

[@ichichsen3001]

In RL you have a First Officer to manage the Radios and all the other stuff like searching waypoints.

[@A330Driver]

Not necessarily, there are many planes certified for single pilot operation under IFR, including jets. Managing radios is not that hard, finding waypoints and inserting those into the FMC falls under the Pilot Flying's tasks either way - though it is of course helpful if you can just hand over controls. That's what ATC is good for as well though - if you can't keep up to speed just ask for delay vectors or a holding.

[@BlueSky_fur]

Can’t wait to meow on guard 😂

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

So if guard is now used does that mean controllers will no longer ping you through VPilot when you are suppsed to contact them? Speaking of being precise about the differnce between "shall" and "should": You said sometime around 12:30 : "You must not purchase a paid subscription." That means: "You are not allowed to purchase a paid subscription. Don't do it!" You meant to say: "You don't have to purchase a paid subscription". "Must not" is a false friend in german. It does not translate to "Musst nicht" but to "darf nicht."

[@AMT4245]

Doubt it.

[@A330Driver]

I thought about the same question, but I think it would turn guard into a mess if everyone used it for contact me's.

[@Avia_FJ]

@@A330Driver So, if emergencies are not simulated in vatsim, neither you should use guard for discussing whatnot random stuff, and maybe once in a while ATC may randomly call someone on a guard...why would anyone bother monitoring it? Ah, I know...maybe someone without HF radio crossing the pond will ask big boys flying above on guard to pass on their position report to Gander Oceanic? Nah...I am lost, out of ideas...meow...obviously 😁

[@David-uw3ke]

Xbox kids jumping on the network aren't going to like that they need to follow IFR procedures with up to date charts

[@Avia_FJ]

Absolute nonsense that the time accel. is now "permitted". Time acceleration is for offline flights...or Ivao 😂

[@7667neko]

.wallop intensifies XD

[@steand]

FYI, time accel is prohibited in IVAO network.

[@A330Driver]

Time accel was always permitted. They just clarified and expanded those rules.

[@lmb5529bml]

Never had a problem with time acceleration on unicom. But generally turned it off if a controller was online.

[@AirlinerDom]

Time acceleration has always been prohibited in IVAO.

[@joespeed1952]

I do disagree on the fact that IFR flights need to have up to date AIRAC data. It's sometimes hard to pay for something like a Navigraph subscription. I think I'll remain VFR best I can on VATSIM for the forseeable future. I'm not paying a single cent for updated nav data.

[@gwalker3092]

Tempted to leave a comment but anything with Vatsim makes me mad so i keep quiet instead of being negative 😂

[@lquid737]

lots of people will be banned for the next weeks bois lmao, they are now on the radar

[@A330Driver]

nah, I think they'll show mercy for the first few weeks while the new rules are introduced.

[@GodfatherCZ1]

If this would be the case, IVAO will experience massive new pilots migration wave :) or new AI powered apps as mentioned above . And for example i think that UNICOM will be still UNICOM :D not some sort of ADVISORY freq . it's an established terminology . Yes it is ARAIG network , but we are all common simmers :) more restrictive environment = less pilots , at least i think so . Will see

[@A330Driver]

@@GodfatherCZ1 Unicom is a purely fictional construct though, it does not exist in the real world since if there is insufficient or no ATC, the airport would simply be closed. Advisories do exist. So why not rename it in line with the real world?

[@hansbrugman]

Still not about to provide my ID to VATSIM. Sorry, not sorry.

[@lmb5529bml]

Wow, you must be very famous or an international spy to be THAT important.

[@A330Driver]

You don't have to? I certainly never did and never would, that's also the reason why I don't hold a pilots rating on VATSIM: I simply will not send them a copy of my license to obtain the rating. However neither is required to join and use the network.

[@hansbrugman]

@@A330Driver If they suspect your name is not 'real' then they will ask you to provide real identification. If you refuse then they will also refuse you from joining the network.

[@wingviewproductions]

​@@A330Driveragreed. I would never provide my real license to vatsim for a fake rating...

[@yynLxd]

@@hansbrugman its your decision. nobody will miss you