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[@-Jethro-]

During a landing is exactly the right time for the controller to be distracting the pilot with a pointless argument.

[@thehark6247]

and two other aircraft on final

[@steveconaway774]

Women always need to have the final word.

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

@@steveconaway774 You needed to have the final word here so is there something you'd like to confess?

[@LeiSnows]

This is why men only should be allowed in important positions like piloting and atc. Women have no place in this field, and clearly, are incapable of doing the job.

[@isakeiriksson7833]

​@steveconaway774 there is always the unnecessary misogynistic comment when there is a woman involved in an incident

[@tomg6214]

A controller who googles an aviation term while working the tower and then argues with a pilot while landing is a controller that needs to be taken off the line, retrained, and if necessary re-examined.

[@robmorgan1214]

Exactly. That controller is an IDIOT.

[@mikoto7693]

Yeah I have to agree. Even on the ramp we’re taught to minimise our chatter on the radio.

[@user-qp9mw3gi5f]

re-examined? more like beheaded.

[@chaosensues1656]

DEI hire

[@robmorgan1214]

@chaosensues1656 In her case, it's more like DIE.

[@Maver1ck911]

HOLY SMOKES I JUST NOTICED KELSEY HAS 4 BARS!!! Congrats CAPTAIN!!!

[@davefarr4596]

Cappy Kelsey

[@gobarbless3871]

I just noticed that too. Way to go Kelsey !!!!

[@user-ye5ue7jd1w]

Same here congrats

[@lauragrueninger6048]

I noticed too. Been wondering when it was going to finally happen. Way to go, Kelsey!

[@Hotecce1]

isnt it 4 stripes?

[@captainjksaviationlife248]

I'm one of the pilots who's been enjoying your videos a lot. Now I see 4 bars on your shoulder, Congrats captain Kelsey 😊👍🏻

[@mitchski98]

Congrats on CPT, 32 year Captain here🎉

[@JamesKintner]

Shamefully, I needed you to point that out. I didn't notice. Here I am patting myself on the back for knowing the difference at the airport yesterday and the guy I learned it from got promoted. 😢

[@sierramechanicalinc395]

Congratulations Captain!!!

[@bruceleealmighty]

Good catch. Didn't notice. Anything past two for us land dwellers seems redundant. Interesting how civilian pilots use Naval rank terms.

[@ramonmoreno8014]

@@bruceleealmightyThe military gets its words from language

[@jimbuck795]

Congratulations on becoming a captain, Kelsey.

[@Danny_Boel]

I just noticed it too

[@toddsmith8608]

Typical Kelsey to change out his epaulettes and not say anything. 😁

[@Danny_Boel]

@@toddsmith8608 He should totally redo the " look at me, I'm captain now" meme 😀

[@hrgunit]

I don't know why he didn't start KZbin with Captain epaulettes. I read on the google that he is not even a real pilot.

[@stevenr8606]

​@hrgunit , yeah, he's only a 7-year old kid❗️🙄 😂😂😂😂

[@timharris6595]

I was an FAA Air Traffic Controler for over 20 years. You never tell a pilot how to fly his aircraft. If you want their base leg abeam the numbers, you request it. Her confrontational attitude is unprofessional and hopefully she some remedial training.

[@visiondemedici6347]

Thank you for mentioning that celebrities, many who never finished high school, have opinions that may have no worth at all. Just like the rest of us who have opinions in fields that we have not mastered. You’re a good guy, Kelsey.

[@Hartbreak1]

😂 I would’ve loved hearing the pilot say “Google isn’t an FAA certified source of information” 🤣

[@dmiller57]

Exactly 💯

[@DrDeuteron]

But it is FDA certified, so it’s close.

[@solenoids3]

Makes me wonder if Kelsey has ever just googled some insignificant (or significant) issue while flying a plane.

[@mderline4412]

Yeah. *She definitely should have gone straight to Reddit!....* ;)

[@BlackCat69909]

​@@solenoids3 Do pilots have Internet access during flights? I could imagine some restrictions to minimize distraction...

[@johnniewelbornjr.8940]

She proved that idiots are infiltrating every industry... Though I had such encounters years ago with ATC. She would've gotten a call after landing just for her attitude at such a time... Thanks for sharing, Kelsey

[@mrfarts5176]

Women should not be working in flight control. Wow, she has no business doing this.

[@johnniewelbornjr.8940]

@@mrfarts5176 It's not a gender issue, it's a generational issue... The kids today are often this way. Part of me is glad that I can no longer pass a flight physical because of my uncorrected vision (sport pilot would be about it these days) so that I never have to cope with such controllers again. There used to be a guy that worked Nashville tower that was worse than this woman...

[@mrfarts5176]

@johnniewelbornjr.8940 I am surprised people don't report airport controllers like this to the FAA. I wanted to be a pilot, but my eyesight was pretty bad, so I started an engineering company instead. Being a pilot must have been something else... I have been hearing how affirmative action is working its way into aviation, and that is the last place I want someone who was selected based on gender or race and not ability. Well, that and doctors. I have seen two women doctors really mess up my mother. One made a mistake so bad it caused her to get cancer as her body was flooded with hormones for three years. We took her to a male doctor and the guy was like, "What the heck! We need to get her off this." He saved her life and treated the cancer. I had to take my wife to a series of doctors. Every one of the female doctors was 100% useless and just ordered exams we already had and gave them. It wasn't until we found a male doctor in his 50s with tons of experience that we were able to resolve her health issues. I find these women often get very defensive when their incompetence is pulled kicking into the light, thinking it is because of their gender.

[@larrytemen4789]

Because of all these Diversity Equity Inclusion hires, I refuse to fly on any airplane anymore. I’ll drive. Idgf

[@thecrazyswede2495]

There have always been very skilled women. There are so many of them that there even is a big company (I won't say which) that took its name after a group of women. At the same time, traditionally many women have been trained to be unskilled in certain areas. That is slowly ebbing away. I hail from a hunting family. My dad taught me how to use, and how not to use, a rifle when I was six years old. Both my parents were very good at shooting/hunting. Once dad and some of his friends were out in the backyard for a shooting session, and dad accidentally mentioned that mum also was a good shot. They didn't believe him. So dad asked mum to stop cleaning the dishes and do some shooting instead. And so she did. Bullseye every single shot. Then she handed the rifle back to dad, and went back to cleaning the dishes. The guys were overwhelmed. So weeding away women and other diversity will not help. You will still have the white anglosaxan et c bad eggs in house. You need a system to hire good people of all kinds, and weed out the bad eggs of all kinds.

[@paulodias4310]

I really like Kelsey, if you look on his youtube page and his intro photo you notice that he still uses pictures when he was a F.O., also if you look the way he dresses his uniform, it is actually very simple, you just see the epaulets, no pins, no pens, no adds etc, please don't forget Kelsey is now a 747 Cpt, I think the way he presents himself says a lot about the man, very simple but 1000% professional - KELSEY IS THE MAN - Thank you Sir, we love you here in Europe

[@toddsmith8608]

Oh wow, i didn't even notice, when did he upgrade to captain? Congratulations to Captain Kelsey!

[@Fluffy-Fluffy]

​@@toddsmith8608just a few months ago. Not even 6 months :)

[@X737_]

Well said

[@bellboy4074]

Sounds like you're in love.

[@paulodias4310]

@@bellboy4074 ... no comments as this channel is mostly populated by intelligent ppl... so please make comments on channels appropriate for your low IQ , Fresh&fit or Whatever, I am sure they suit you better

[@Buzzaard1949]

During my flight training my instructor was talking with the controller in the tower who was questioning something we were doing…short approach or something, and my instructor finally told the controller that we would fly the airplane and he should fly the tower.

[@alukata9763]

"possible controller deviation, i have a number for you to call" :D

[@brendacollinsdeeks7268]

If I was a pilot and the ATC told me she was using Google to guide her landing instructions, I would check my fuel and fly on to the next available airport!!!😮

[@shadowbeast2276]

No kidding.

[@user-pt1cz4ot1e]

Same. That’s terrifying. Even more so that she would have the audacity to argue with a pilot with her google info. 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@dogfoot1874]

I think she had the hots for him

[@BabylonPatrol]

tell her to use bling! 😸

[@rickstein8081]

42 year Air Traffic Controller, mainly towers with 2 military approach control. A short approach to me has been generally considered to be anywhere inside where an average aircraft of that type would turn base leg. This typically means turning base inside of a mile past the numbers, especially on short runways. I have had short approaches for a piper cup at midfield when requested. I have had a Super King Air request a short approach and take it to a mile past the numbers before base leg, especially on a short field. Taking that into consideration, If I had approved a short approach expecting a certain behavior that didn't happen, and the downwind aircraft that I am expecting to do a short approach has extended downwind so far as to affect the next arrival, I just tell the subject aircraft to "Turn Base Leg." If the pilot calls back "unable," then my next transmission would be "Unable short approach, cancel landing clearance, extend downwind, follow (type aircraft) traffic on final at 1 O'clock, (mileage) on straight in final." In other words, control your pattern, take positive action to ensure safe operations. If you want to ask any type of question, wait until the pilot is on the ground to give the tower a phone call to discuss it. If the pilot is remaining in the pattern and not doing full stop taxi backs for pattern work, I may ask the pilot to describe to me where he would normally be expected to turn when conducting a short approach to determine the best course of action in the future.

[@briant7265]

Possibly even tell them up front how much room they have, if another aircraft is coming in?

[@rickstein8081]

@@briant7265I have used that technique also, but usually to ask a pilot if they can accept a short approach to get in front on traffic on final, or extend to follow, pilots choice.

[@zvexevz]

Yeah yeah, very reasonable, knowledgeable and ego-free way to approach this situation, befitting of someone with your years of experience. But this controller looked it up on G O O G L E and then got to flex her incredible research skills on a helpless pilot, just going about his business, who never saw it coming. That's something she can be proud of the rest of her life.

[@iclicklike3397]

@@zvexevz funny, like the top 5 or was it even top 3 results on google give conflicting answers. Not sure how she decided the turn abeam numbers is the correct one.

[@rickstein8081]

@@zvexevz You are right about the "appropriate method" about googling, but at the least, this controller needed the manager of that facility to use that sequence as part of a quarterly tape talk (a graded review of a controllers adherence to what we call "BOLD FACE" phraseology and approved methodology to conduct any given sequence of events) IMO, the controller involved here would have failed that tape talk, resulting in formal counseling discussing how not to behave on frequency in the future listing what is expected and must be improved on. Controllers are people too, and have good days, and bad days. This may be a good controller having a bad day, or it may be a regular behaviour for this person. We don't have all of the information.

[@misterhenchmen]

Yeah... that controller needs to call in... to her supervisor or something. she was unprofessional to bicker with him in the air. I love any time you mention Stella, that vid was so awesome. I think we would all LOVE to see another video with you 2 having adventures together. Your vids are awesome!

[@RealThunderberg]

If you're into aviation this man's channel is a must subscribe. Excellent presenter with a fun yet humble personality ✈️

[@stoffls]

best quote "I am just a 7 year old stuck in this grown mans body, flying airplanes" - this is the kind of pilot I want 😅

[@grayrabbit2211]

A young child tells his father, "When I grow up, I want to be a pilot." The father responds, "You can't do both."

[@Tirani2]

I hope every pilot that has ever flown me has the joy of a 7-year-old in them at flying a plane. Joy and passion make a difference, and child-like joy in your day job is a wonderful thing.

[@Patrik6920]

Flight control answering 'ooh ive googled the precedure..' ... would make me very nervous...

[@sparrowlt]

@@Patrik6920 "yesterday i went on the internet..and i found out THIS..."

[@Teqnyq]

Just wait untill he's 74

[@AVisionInFur]

The segment discussing the importance of information literacy warmed my little academic heart.

[@TheeGlocktopus]

At the same time made me laugh because he used a bogus article about himself as proof. Chocolate milk? Dress Size 8? Lmao

[@AVisionInFur]

@@TheeGlocktopus That was perfection!

[@warsurplus]

The animations you've incorporated into your videos are very helpful. Thank you.

[@ScottVanArtsdalen]

I would have LOVED to have heard the audio from that phone call. I hope it involved her supervisor. A lot of folks on Reddit claim to know who she is and are not surprised in the least. And yes, congrats on the 4 bars!

[@doncornish4173]

PLEASE Post your "old" video in it's entirety. You gave us some great pieces of it. Don't worry about the editing or the length being too long. Post it raw as you showed us!! Back me up 74 Crew... Thanks

[@LadyVoldemort]

Here, here! 🙋🏻‍♀️

[@DrDeuteron]

It’s not like we don’t have a fast forward button.

[@scottlewisparsons9551]

Yes, I would love to see that too! ❤

[@6thwilbury2331]

Signed. In fact, he could start a second channel called 74 Gear Long Haul specifically for his feature-length videos.

[@gr8deadfan75]

​@@LadyVoldemort, the saying is "hear, hear!"

[@angelraburn4401]

Darn it Kelsey - and here I’ve bought an amazing dress 👗 size 8 for you with size 9 shoes. All expertly tailored and fitted to that google info !!😂😂 so glad you posted today. I needed a Kelsey Sunday. The “normal” Kelsey is amazing and always makes my day. The only thing I ever want to hear from a pilot is - we are going to keep the blue side up !!

[@LeiSnows]

This is why men only should be allowed in important positions like piloting and atc. Women have no place in this field, and clearly, are incapable of doing the job.

[@NikolaiUA]

You can also hear from them "we're going to keep the brown side down" and it's the same

[@SerebroWD]

I dunno about that being the only thing you want to hear--"let's get into it" out of Kelsey usually means an entertaining video coming! :D I was really glad to see a new video today, too; it made for the perfect excuse to take a little longer over breakfast after spending all day yesterday loading up the pickup and moving everything we need to live cheaply in motels to a new construction project, which always means sore muscles the next day, even if I don't get dehydrated like I did yesterday. And laughing at the inaccuracies he was correcting certainly helped me get muscles to relax a little more before I had to get back to sorting out the kitchen and then help locate the best route to the job site and time it so my partner leaves early enough to not be late tomorrow. Re-watching now over dinner (with chocolate milk bc I'm just as much of an overgrown 7yo!) in the hope that a little more laughter will help relax muscles again so the shower doesn't cause actual pain, because I really don't want to have to resort to meds just to get clean. Kelsey's down-to-earth approach to things is the perfect antidote to the stresses of chronic illness, and I'm really grateful the algorithm decided I needed to find his channel last year!

[@user-fx8zf2jy4r]

Can we have a video of him wearing that please?

[@angelraburn4401]

@@user-fx8zf2jy4r wouldn’t that be great ? 😂👍

[@57thorns]

I just googled short approach, and every hit I got on the first page was a variation of: "essentially a short approach is defined as anything closer than normal" There was one question on a forum where a Cherokee had some confusion (going for the 1000 foot marker but turning as soon as safely possible) regarding an incoming Apache (helicopter). They wondered if the ATC expected them to turn in and land half way up the runway (which would have been technically possible for such a small plane on such a long runway). An interesting read.

[@ChristopherJohnson-ei9ul]

I agree with your point about "discussing it later". Controllers making a point to flex on pilots are a big factor in what caused the August 31, 1986 Cerritos, CA mid-air collision which killed nearly 100 people. A controller got into a flexing match with a pilot who strayed into the eastern approach path for LAX and lost site of a smaller plane which clipped the tail off of an AeroMexico commercial jet. If it hadn't been the Sunday of Labor Day weekend, the disaster would have been much worse, but the accident could have been avoided much easier if the controller had made an advisory call to the stray and focused back on the blip that hit the jet in the southeastern corner of LA county.

[@john_hind]

On the other hand ... discussing it later on the phone does deprive us of our entertainment!😏

[@mooorecowbell4222]

WOW Capt's STRIPES ! Congrats !✈✈✈✈

[@TechTimeTraveller]

She googled it? She might as well have said: "Source: trust me, bro".

[@Karma0jun]

Hey Captain Kelsey - congratulations on the 4th bar. I've been watching the first officer videos for a few years, it is nice to see your dedication has paid off.

[@trickstothetrades1801]

I do love that you show how important it is to be safe first and land the plane safely then have a reasonable discussion later by phone to address the issue later when it is safer to do so

[@sirtango1]

You are one of the few creators on here that as soon as I start your video, I can go ahead and click on the like button and not have to worry about being disappointed! Thank you for that! Stay safe brother! 👍

[@LadyVoldemort]

This is the only channel that I ALWAYS watch in the highest resolution/quality available! And yes, I have never got disappointed by him. 😆❤ I dig his humor, too!

[@bigveganal]

The sarcasm around the ten minute mark for a while is almost British! Love it 🇬🇧

[@Ifeguy]

Kelsey, another comment on the "Short approach".. When I was training (25 years ago) I was taught that a short approach is really, immediately turning to the runway when in the pattern (any point) as an engine out procedure. Meaning it didn't have any aspect of being abeam then numbers... In general it tended to be requested (by an instructor or the controller) when around abeam, but the idea was even if you were past abeam on downwind you turned to the numbers where ever you were so as to get the shortest past the runway. I don't remember being asked to do this "before" being abeam on the downwind, but I can see it being useful in an engine out situation even if not abeam... better on a longer runway, but again, it is for engine out, so even overrunning a runway isn't all that bad in an engine out situation.. In general I think the controller in the video was confusing the way things typically happen with some absolute...

[@MaxBenn]

No worries... I don't get my aviation information out of reddit... I use TikTok instead! Thanks for choosing NoWorries Airlines!

[@mas7241]

You’ve captained up! Congrats!

[@estern001]

I want to hear when she talked to every other pilot and they told her she was wrong. I want to hear other controllers tell her she was unprofessional.

[@deannelson9565]

Well apparently she sucks there's an online petition for her to be fired for more than just this incident apparently she's highly combative

[@TheTransporter007]

@@deannelson9565 Thanks be to the lowered hiring standards.

[@jimland7176]

@@deannelson9565 Yikes. That sounds like the last personality trait that you want.

[@estern001]

I love that it gets recorded.The public has a right to know.@@deannelson9565

[@m.f.m.67]

Female government employee? Good luck with that!@@jimland7176

[@margaretmathis4775]

You mentioned Stella. We miss her. If you keep in touch with her, let her know that we wish her well❣️

[@johngaleazza3652]

Thank you! Thank you, so so much for providing context and some calm explanation about what happened here. This video showed up in my feed and obviously I saw the unflattering comments about the controller and their "I googled it" comment. Now knowing that the plane was doing a checkride and used what might be called non standard terminology in communication with the control tower tells me that this was the beginning of the conflict, and possibly a source of confusion for the controller. I'm glad you showed the end (which was not in video I saw) where the controller regains their composure and finally says "ok, fine, land the plane then come talk to me once you've got feet on the ground". That's a positive for the controller, that wasn't shown.

[@exosoul]

Great video. If ATC tells me I am required to land midfield like that lady says on my shot approach I will be freaking out. Maybe I'm used to short runways. lol.

[@ericfielding2540]

Great to hear that exchange between the pilot or flight instructor and the ATC turned out polite at the end.

[@dzymslizzy3641]

You are absolutely correct! I'm not a pilot, but I do the same thing if I'm looking up something medical: my go-to source is usually the Mayo Clinic website as a first choice.

[@Chris80]

As I made my last checkride piloting an LSA I made the power-off 180 with a really switched off engine. In such a situation I wouldn't have time to discuss anything with ATC. And yes, it is hard to make the checkride with a still standing prop but thats what it is. In case of an emergency you have to bring it to the point on a 200m short meadow.

[@tedfriesen9466]

When I learned, on a C172, every landing was dead stick -- no matter where. That got me very comfortable with estimating glide distance and knowing how far I could stretch the landing. After that, landing with a still working engine is icing on the cake.

[@k9er233]

Same here while training in the Champ. "Stretching the glide" with the application of power was considered "bad form" back then, was to be avoided, and showed that you were not paying enough attention to the glide ratio of your aircraft. To me it felt like building confidence that you could easily handle a true engine out emergency landing, similar to practicing autorotations in helicopter flight training. @@tedfriesen9466

[@colleenv.9540]

As s librarian I'm very proud of you for discussing sources! Thank you.

[@friedmule5403]

Oh, yes the library, this is unfortunately an almost forgotten well of mostly correct knowledge. My toes crumble every time I hear "just google it", to me is it a bit like "just trow a die". You could walk into any library, ask one of your amazing experts and be fairly sure of the source material being usable, on Google, do you not have any expert to guide you and anybody can write what they want. I miss you guys, but I do luckily still add to my over 1000 book collection at home. :-)

[@tbas8741]

Some ATC seem to forget they are not in charge, but are there to guide planes safely. Its upto the pilot where to land, how to land and how/where to fly. (For the most part)

[@tedfriesen9466]

In regards to landing midfield...one of my flight instructors told me there were two things of no use to a pilot: Runway behind you and altitude above you.

[@jcburleigh]

I dunno, a few of my landings have felt like I've made use of both, lol....

[@k9er233]

And the fuel that is still in the fuel truck's tank.

[@johnstreet797]

and air in the tanks

[@joegrubbs411]

Congratulations again on becoming a captain. Love everything about aviation, took lessons at a young age, but never became a pilot. Always look forward to hearing and seeing your videos. Thank you for them, and I hope they keep coming.

[@altoclef6688]

Love your low key sense of humour. Thanks for cheering up a miserable day!

[@clickrick]

"My dress size is 8". Whether that's good or not depends whether that's US size 8 or UK size 8. Carry on doing whatever you want in your own time, Kelsey 😉

[@spaz-tech]

And Kelsey, there’s no way you’re a size 8. Maybe a 4-6, tops. 😂 But if you ARE an 8………… ummmm, it looks good on you (?). (I really don’t know how all that sizing works)

[@quiveringcalm4697]

@@spaz-tech Depending on the accuracy of the size information, he'd probably be closer to a 12. That's just a guess though, since women's clothes sizes and cuts are a crap shoot, and that's before adding a male body to the equation

[@Roccondil]

@@quiveringcalm4697 a 32" waist? Yeah that's somewhere in the 8-12 range, depending on manufacturer and country. Possibly more towards 10-12 with a 39" chest. Only issue is that things still wouldn't quite fit at the shoulder, since men's shoulders are broader than women's are, even with the same chest-waist-hips measurements.

[@KnawedOne]

you guys are too funny! You know some fellow pilots came up with dress size! 😂😂😂😂

[@nommadd5758]

Thanks again Kelsey! You rock!!

[@navalav8r520]

"Landing in the middle of the runway" is very common when flying into Oshkosh, Wisconsin during the annual Oshkosh week. I have flown into Oshkosh twice, both times during their week long Oshkosh Week. Oshkosh tower doesn't say to land half way down the runway. They have large colored circles painted at the beginning of the runway, the end of the same runway for wind reasons, and a second large circle of a different color at a point approximately 50% down the runway. They do this because of so many planes trying to fly in during this Oshkosh Week. I have landed at both locations, and both without incident. My plane was a Grumman Yankee, small and with a laminar flow wing, it lands fast at around 65-70 MPH. Very easy to do, and with no problems at all! The years were 1980, and 81. GREAT WEEK Annually!

[@AllThingsTechStuff101]

I love how effortlessly funny this guy is!!

[@Bexinmo]

Kels, you need to talk to us about that extra stripe you have on your shoulder. Congrats man.

[@garyweber8201]

@Bexinmo He did talk about it a couple of months back. :)

[@victoryleadership496]

I am glad you made the point to check the quality of the information provided. Developing a framework to discover the truth is crucial when so much unconfirmed information is flying around the Internet. The Internet is great for getting information quickly. However, you want to ensure the information you get is correct. That may take a little longer, but it is worth it. Thanks for sharing that.

[@kaasmeester5903]

We were taught that in college, and that was before there was such a thing as a WWW: “consider the source”.

[@Diekyl]

I saw that exchange in a shorts a while ago and was waiting for Kelsey to do an analysis on it. It was well worth the wait for the detailed explanation from an experienced pilot.

[@rickcampbell1846]

WE MISS YOU KELSEY, I really miss your videos and humor. Was so happy to see you post this!

[@paulallenk4830]

"Low terrain Pull up" is last thing I want to hear and I'm not even a pilot.

[@HanSolo1]

Especially at night!

[@strumminandwrenchin9162]

But are you an aviation enthusiast?

[@The-Rose-and-the-Cross]

'Fire in the cabin'

[@whiskeynovember8498]

Having the plane warn me to make the right correction is something I would very much like to hear.

[@Henoik]

Well, I once heard over the PA "Descend, descend now" from the TCAS RA. One of the pilots must've inadvertently hit the PA button cuz I don't think we were meant to hear that.

[@davelee9087]

Another winner video Kelsey. My training/learning was done out of a 2700 ft turf airport in North Biloxi MS. My instructor always made sure that I and others I am sure knew that you can't use the runway behind you either when taking off or landing. That has always stuck with me, even though I haven't flown for over 5 decades. His advice kind of made many landings at the Gulfport MS airport (CAP flying) look dumb, since I was landing an L-17 or Super Cub on the end of the runway and having to taxi a half mile to the parking spot. Of course, that taxiing was done with the tail wheel in the air. This airport was utilized by the MS ANG with RF-84F's, so there was a lot of runway. Those were the days!

[@debrawucik826]

You are spot on with your discussion on where to go for information, no matter the subject.

[@scubabeme]

I was fortunate enough to have my wife buy me an aerobatic ride in a Pitts. I got to fly some of the maneuvers myself. Lotsa fun! This video reminded me of my instructor's final. It was micro-short. He turned final almost directly over the end of the runway. Initiation of the turn to touchdown was MAYBE 10 seconds. My eyes were very wide, indeed!

[@Glen_lastname]

Our airport has enough students that when you're doing p180's you can just tell the tower that you're going to do p180's. If they didn't understand asking for a short approach would be about right

[@toddsmith8608]

Yeah it's pretty much the same thing. And nowhere have i ever seen or heard of anyone starting their base turn abeam the numbers, you'd land halfway down the runway, like kelsey said. This controller definitely misunderstood the term.

[@treetopflight7624]

The only place I have seen a base turn abeam the numbers would be Osh... but you have an 8000 ft runway, and a big dot to aim for....

[@JuanSanchez-ik7wx]

Show that to me from the 7110.65. If its not in there then you are FOS.

[@charlespennock4063]

“Ma’am just focus on flying your chair while we focus on flying our plane” is what he should have said

[@BabylonPatrol]

these people are vindictive and will come for you with anything they can quote you with. to keep that in check either say nothing and work with what she gives you or mention casually that you will bring the issue up with... (her seniors).

[@MarcosElMalo2]

@@BabylonPatrolHe meant, “what he should have said in his mind”. Or maybe he didn’t realize he was typing out loud.

[@ryabow]

Imagine being in the middle of landing and having to listen to this...

[@chadrickglossup7535]

I’m a former Delta airlines gate agent back in the day (03-07). I just noticed your extra bars. Congratulations on your captain promotion

[@TheCraig8754]

Another great video. Thank you for taking the time to post them.

[@_skyyskater]

Congrats on Captain Kelsey!!!! I've enjoyed watching you the past couple years, hope to meet you one day. I own a Citabria 7GCBC based out of N85!

[@fishbearson7302]

I'm partly on the controller's side, except for the way she handled the situation itself. At least where I work, in Europe, what the pilot is requesting for the power-off 180 is what we refer to as a "glide approach", where a short approach is simply a tighter turn to base (for helicopters it could even mean heading straight for the runway mid-field). Usually at my AD when the student pilots request a glide approach, they actually do so abeam the numbers, but that's likely a local thing.

[@AussieDave04]

Another great vid Kelsey, and I had laugh when you mention the landing in a lighty compared to the 74. I'm not a pilot but in MSFS2020 I was always flying the 74 and then went and did some GA stuff and kept thinking "are we down yet, are we down yet" LOL Always entertaining, thanks mate. 🙂

[@jdaz5462]

Captain Kelsey! Congrats. Great video as always. I remember when you only had a handful of subscribers.

[@LMays-cu2hp]

Thank you for sharing this Aviation life.😊

[@ryanfrisby7389]

Excellent video Kelsey!😊

[@markleeman9932]

Congratulations on being promoted to Captain Kelsey! I haven't watched your videos in a while so this is news to me. Love your channel!😊

[@ashleighsteaparty268]

I feel like my trusted source of aviation info is your channel, I was on a flight yesterday and was giving my poor husband commentary throughout the entire take off and landing like I’m some kind of pro 😂

[@Iceman51686]

Awesome video as always! You have a wonderful heart felt personality! Thank you for sharing and congratulations on your new rank! ❤

[@christianmichael8381]

Props to the video editor of this channel! For someone like me (non-pilot), the graphics as Kelsey is explaining help me tremendously! Top quality channel all around! 🎉

[@aaltvandenham]

Not losing your temper, staying friendly, is the best way of talking about misunderstandings. Just with a cup of coffee.

[@linanicolia1363]

Pilots and ATC have a symbiotic relationship, but they do not need to be friendly. One is out there, with his live and many others in the balance while the other is sitting by a computer, directing traffic . There is no time for arguments. People have died, due to mistakes, ATC have created, but few, have been saved by their sharp judgement.

[@skinnypomegranate]

@@linanicolia1363 This is a pretty just weird way of thinking about the relationship that really benefits no way to think that way.

[@Shotsmoky]

The smile on Kelsey's voice when he heard "I googled it".

[@ReaperbloodPS]

I just wanted to say that I really appreciate your videos. I’m in the process of getting ready to start my training for my Private Pilots License. These are great forums for ideas to keep in mind when encountering things like this! 😁

[@gumikjuggler]

I watch you from time to time and I've just realized you are captain now. Congratulations!!! 🎉🎉🎉

[@vtrandal]

I was once a skinny king. Absolutely love your sense of humor.

[@tanya5322]

This audio clip has shown up for me from a few sources… I’ve been waiting for Kelsey to weigh in on it. Thank you

[@Alan_Edwards]

Some real solid advice Kelsey. Especially considering the times we live in and the endless sources of information we have available to us. I take what I hear on X with a grain of salt and pretty much verify anything I hear or read before I establish my own opinion(s). Great stuff !!

[@BalloonJunkie]

Congratulations on your promotion to Captain! 🎉🎉🎉. I’m really happy for you! Please keep the videos coming. I really enjoy them.

[@JamesKintner]

Two KZbin videos in a row this morning that use knowledge and common sense. Social media win! Thanks Kelcey

[@thattonybaby]

Congrats on the Captain upgrade

[@rpi4sandman]

WRT to landing, perspective is a weird thing. I was used to a 75' narrow runway at home and the first time I landed on a wider 150' runway, I could feel myself just shying away from it because it felt like I was lower than I was.

[@MrJdsenior]

When you said, "... that I had a dress size", I had to pause the video because I was laughing out loud and didn't want to miss anything, or have to back up. That was friggin funny! Truth is stranger than friction.

[@michaelantone7465]

I don’t think Kelsey is a girl’s name! You are very much a man, and an intelligent one at that! I definitely enjoy your videos and look forward to them. Thanks for all you do. We understand you’re not able to put out a video every week; glad you’re taking time for your life! 😊

[@ramonmoreno8014]

It never struck me as a female name; a surname, maybe

[@tomr3422]

and he is a 4 or 5 in dress sizes max

[@samuelgarofalo6910]

Great job, great insight, great wisdom!

[@LobyDobster]

Oh that comment about the short kings and queens was everything for me. I love when people know what's important. Thanks Kelsey

[@tobyray8700]

One of your BEST videos EVER !!!! ❤️❤️❤️👍👍👍

[@Lloyd2605]

Great work yet again Kelsey 😀

[@russhodgson5209]

I have only a basic PPL and I have been watching 74 Gear for maybe 12 months. Kelseys clips are so good to watch and his humour is just top notch. 👍

[@dotesondots]

I haven't seen your videos for a while! Congratulations on getting those Captain bars!

[@williammatteoni7645]

Congrats for the promotion Kelsey!! Always enjoy your videos ❤

[@mycosys]

The primary skill of any tech isnt knowing how to do everything, its knowing how to find out and tell good info from bad. I am always VERY pleased to see a doctor pull out the Merck, or google for relevant papers.

[@toddgrx]

Torrence controllers are awesome. One time we were VFR to Long Beach from Catalina and had to divert to Torrance (since Long Beach was IFR)… controller gave us a ride back to Long Beach where we had our vehicle

[@MojaveNarrows]

Every video you make is like Christmas. Can’t wait, and once it drops I’m happy and excited!

[@mikehart4357]

Enjoyed that video, realizing where your own priorities are when given information by someone.😊

[@MrBizteck]

14:20 😂 Its bee YEARS since Ive flown GA. Last time I tried I was so used to Airlines I flared around 40 feet too high! The instructor just laughed and told me she *KNEW* I was going to do that.

[@craighartwig7882]

Great sense of humor, love it!

[@biscuitplays9531]

K, great video as always….wanted to check in with you..your video on issues really moved me. Wanted to see how you doing.? All the best, keep the blue sky up!

[@butchshadwell3613]

I loved your Google data review. At least someone liked your channel so much that they took time to invent so much detail.