Plane Almost Kills Skydivers | Viral Debrief

[@matthewstarr5980]

I’m a skydive pilot down in Florida and to add on to what you said with keeping the safety margin with the airspeed. I also do that to accommodate all the drag the skydivers make while standing out there. Last thing you want is to be at a high Angle of Attack, and have all that drag on one side with a low airspeed. Love your videos :D

[@HardHatPat]

Thanks for all the rides!

[@rwlewko]

@Matthew Starr - the question that struck me when I watched the video is: is the elevator being blanked by the skydivers as they are hanging on the side of the plane thereby reducing the amount of elevator authority so the pilot couldn't keep the nose down? I'd like to know your opinion on that.

[@adb012]

@@rwlewko ... The answer to that question is yes. It was mentioned by the pilot of this very incident in his incident report. He said that he applied full nose-down elevator but the nose kept going up.

[@Parawingdelta2]

I spent a couple of weeks jumping in Western Australia one year and we had an ex Royal Australian Navy pilot flying a Piper Navajo for us. Because the air was so hot and thin, he just refused to power off and told us we could all go and get f$&*ed! The Navajo's got a fairly small door and until we managed to tighten our exits (so we squeezed out like toothpaste) we were strung out all over the landscape.

[@adb012]

@@Parawingdelta2 ... I don't get it.. What does the hot and thin air has to do with it? I fully understand the concept of air density, how it get lower with altitude and temperature, and how this affects aerodynamics. But the stall speed, the controllability of the plane, the lift, the drag and even the effect of the wind on the jumpers all depend on a concept called "equivalent airspeed", which for all practical purposes in a Navajo is the same as the indicated airspeed. That means that at say 10o knots of indicated airspeed the plane is equally close to the stall, equally controllable, and the wind ha an equal effect on the jumpers, no matter how thick and cool or thin and hot the air is.

[@izzieb]

Why do I find it so hilarious that Kelsey felt the need to clarify that he's not the little ginger kid in the photo?

[@Nilguiri]

On a skydive once, after we exited, the Pilot of the Pilatus Porter did a wing-over and followed us down at exactly the same altitude in a vertical dive a few hundred metres away for a few thousand feet (on purpose!). And on another, I was in freefall and a military jet from a nearby Air Force base flew right beneath me. This was in the UK. Both were very cool!

[@74gear]

Cool cause you’re still here to talk about it

[@Saml01]

@@74gear sarcasm

[@QueenRenne]

@@74gear 😩😆👍🏾💯

[@antonroland]

As for that second incident, someone was not paying attention or worse… Good for you you are here to tell the story…

[@Nilguiri]

​@@antonroland It was surprising, to say the least! Also, the skydiving club would have been clearly marked on their map. We often saw military aircraft flying near the club but keeping a safe distance. He was probably drunk or rushing back to base to put the kettle on!

[@niekvdsteen]

Wow... Really nice to hear that your granddad was in the 101st... I live in the south of The Netherlands, in a town called Son. We have a few monuments dedicated to the 101st Airborne Division, since they liberated us (as one of the first in the whole country) during Operation Market Garden.

[@jamesm6830]

Well now it's 100% been decided: you have to go skydiving at a million subs.

[@Garythefireman66]

Yeah, Kelsey better start training for it now 🪂

[@badlandskid]

We all should go sky diving when he hits 1M

[@karrenwebb3341]

Is there such a thing as"skydiver simulator " 🤣

[@rodgerhatfield3068]

@@karrenwebb3341 indoor skydiving

[@badlandskid]

@@karrenwebb3341 yeah... big wind tunnels they practice in

[@alanmonaghan8970]

I used to work for this skydive company and know the pilot well, i was just waiting for it to appear on your channel haha. I'll just say your analysis is pretty much spot on. The 2nd wing drop there was apparently due to asymmetric spooling up rate of the idle left engine in the full power recovery while still near the stall. It's funny, I now know 2 pilots personally that have appeared on your viral debrief series.

[@Cloudcutter_]

Is the pilot alright? Like mentally, I mean? That must have been really scary. I know pilots are tough as nails but they’re still human

[@alex458897]

For those interested, here is the pilot's feedback about this incident, I leave it here for educational purpose. QUOTE : "The jump run procedure entails setting flaps 60-80 and bringing back the left engine to flight idle. We also bring the left prop back to full coarse to minimize disking of the prop. This is to enable the jumpers to egress onto the outside step, which would otherwise be difficult due to the prop & thrust blast from the left engine. There is also the added danger of the blast pushing jumpers into the left elevator. Power is kept on the right engine to maintain altitude during the jump run, which typically takes 60 seconds. A fair amount of right rudder is required to fly a straight line in this configuration. Pilot to maintain 95-90 kts IAS. The stall and subsequent spin happened when we allowed too many jumpers on the outside step, causing an aft center of gravity and excessive blocking of the airflow to the left horizontal stabilizer. The nose then pitched up beyond the controllability of the elevator. I anticipated the stall when I hit the elevator stop. As the wing came over, I moved the right engine power and prop levers back to the flight idle position, thereby neutralizing the engine effect from both engines, centralized the ailerons and applied full right rudder (rudder was already in quite deep in at this point). The aircraft behaved very well, and the recovery was surprisingly easy. I pulled out as gently as possible as I did not want to stress the airframe. There was some additional instability when I pulled out of the dive and pushed the throttles forward to power up, as the one engine spooled up much quicker than the other and caused another asymmetrical moment. The flaps may have inadvertently helped to keep the airspeed low. AIS showed 140kts when I pulled out. The incident was reported to CAA within 24 hours. They investigated (including a visit to our hangar) and they seem to be happy that the aircraft was operated and flown within its STC. In future, no more than 5 jumpers will be allowed on the outside step. We will also brief the big formations to be wary of a pitch moment of the nose of the aircraft, so they can let go should this ever happen. This will also be placarded inside the aircraft and included in our King Air briefing for new jumpers. I am sharing the above information because skydive ops is very different from normal operations and leave people wondering why we fly certain configurations during the climb, jump run and descent. The aircraft landed safely with the skydivers that did not exit. The incident was promptly reported to the South African CAA and PASA national safety and training officer. The next day the jump team made adjustments to their exit procedure following discussion with the pilot and no further incidents or near-incidents were experienced."

[@thomasbrown7171]

Thanks for giving your side of the events. I had speculated that the W&B had shifted and you were close to a stall, and that they kicked off at that moment. I thought that maybe the deflection of the empennage caused a reduction in lift due to the airplane twisting and an increase in stall speed, putting you under that new stall speed. Did another jumper exit the plane at about the time you recovered? I thought I saw a dot leave the plane on another review of this video.

[@Bartonovich52]

I would like the pilots feedback on why the elevator is in the full aft position during the entirety of the stall and initial spin? As someone who has worked with (not for.. thank god) skydiving companies and fired my last customer because I didn’t want any association with them for image and liability reasons… I think I already know the answer.

[@darrylday30]

Thanks for the extra info. I hadn’t thought about the power and prop settings on the left engine. It all makes sense now.

[@yurnov]

could you please give a link to this discussions?

[@olegpryadko749]

The pilot's explanation was posted on Facebook by the videographer Bernard Janse van Rensburg. I tried posting the link here but it doesn't seem the be taking... Try searching Facebook for his name or part of the text.

[@112musician]

I’ve seen this clip several times but I understand it much more now with your explanation. Thank you!

[@turkeysandwich421]

Man I feel like you would be a really good teacher you're so level-headed and seem to be very understanding and still can relate to newer pilot decision making! I hope I get a flight instructor like you one day

[@shiruki.fan.account]

Didn't know about the secondary stall, I liked your explanation. I can't imagine how uncomfortable and disorienting it must be to lose that much altitude while also spinning around.

[@74gear]

Ya I think the spinning and lack of understanding of what’s going on would be the scary part for sure

[@oldmech619]

@@74gear The secondary stall was caused by the pilot slamming the throttles forward. One engine spun up faster than the other causing the plane to loose control again . There was absolute no reason for max power at that altitude.

[@brandonlink6568]

That feeling of getting control back from the first stall then quickly losing it again going into the second stall must be pretty demoralizing, then you start to wonder if you'll recover from it and if you do will you stall yet again and run out of altitude.

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

THIS is why the ages old philosophy among pilots was "When you're in an emergency, the first thing you do is wind your watch." It's nearly impossible to function if you're freaking right out. SO take stock of yourself first... GET control of the plane, so stop the spin... Make sure you're well and clear of the skydivers... AND then watch your speedo'... It'll register what you need to be stable... level off when you can be stable in the air, and call in the incident... and that it's over... I know, it's not all as simple as that little blurb. A pilot should have the relative instincts to do the micro-processes (steps) to accomplish each task... like decrease the flaps to gain air-speed faster... or feathering the stick to tease out the spin, etc... BUT hopefully, you get my point. The very FIRST thing you have to do in any crisis situation is generally CALM YOURSELF THE F*** DOWN, because adrenaline is a HELL of a drug. Trust me. As a biker, I am all too familiar with the stuff. ;o)

[@olegpryadko749]

@@74gear I'm curious if you read the pilot's explanation (posted in another comment) before making this video? If not, would it have changed anything about your conclusions?

[@mattd6931]

You SHOULD go skydiving several times Kelsey..... because then you can scare flight and cabin crew by deadpan saying that you've been in way more take offs in a plane than you've been in landings, but "are confident about making it down again in this one." Side note: I would also like to know your take on advantages and disadvantages of weight in the front and back of the 747.

[@FleaOnMyWiener]

Well if you were currently flying in a plane you could still say you've taken off more times than you've landed

[@mattd6931]

@@FleaOnMyWiener ​True, but it's all about the wording. "WAY more times" indicates you've had at least a couple of instances where you haven't landed, making it scarier. And you can use it on the ground before takeoff when just introducing yourself.

[@duzehalo]

Your suggestion made me laugh! Thanks man :D

[@richardvoogd705]

I can make that claim! Back in the 1980s I hung out with a group of skydivers at, my local airport. My scariest experience was having both main and reserve somehow trying to open at once when visiting a different airfield. Being originally trained on an older "fore and aft" setup, I recalled something about "catch it if you can" being mentioned in connection with unexpected deployment of the reserve. I somehow managed to pull this one off safely, even though both canopies were behind me. It could have so easily ended up very differently.

[@suzannetitkemeyernlq]

Your channel is rapidly becoming one of my beloved favorites. Just listening to you talk about the training makes me feel much safer during my frequent flights. The frequent flying was one of the parts of living overseas I was just never comfortable with.

[@dnllecour9]

I just saw this vid in the skydiver groups. A few notes from a skydiver prospective, I can't speak for all situations but from the beginning of skydive training we learn about the importance of balance in the aircraft, we are taught to not rush the back of the plane unless it's pre-planned and the pilot is aware. Normally you don't see this many jumpers climb out at once, you normally have guys at the door and guys inside ready to rush the door at the last second. Also an experience skydiver pilot normally is good at balancing the plane very quickly. All in all l, everyone lived and that's a good day full of lessons learned. Lastly, I highly recommend to go skydive at my home DZ skydive Elsinore CA. BLUE SKIES

[@Toddy92]

As a Skydiver I think it’s pretty cool how accurately you managed to summarize this from both prospectives. Another cracking video Kelsey!

[@Vofleck]

"I'm not going to go into details about the advantages/disadvantages...." Aw... But.. but I wanna hear them... 😂🤓 I live for the nitty gritty details of flight. One of the many reasons I enjoy your channel. Keep up the good work!

[@MercFE8235]

Forward center of gravity makes the aircraft inherently more stable... An aft center of gravity makes the aircraft more efficient, able to burn less fuel.

[@Vofleck]

@@MercFE8235 Sweet! Thank you for sharing that. I was looking for it on Google and struggling with the search terms.

[@vincentguitard3350]

Basically: - the more aft the load is, the less stable the plane. On the plus side, an aft centre of gravity reduce the stall airspeed (so your plane can fly at slower speeds that it normally would but, if you do enter a stall, recovery will be harder) and fuel consumption; - the more forward the load is, the more stable the plane. On the minus side, the stall speed will be higher and the plane will be "nose heavy", meaning that raising the nose of the plane will take more effort. A higher stall speed combined with a nose heavy plane can be especially hazardous during landing.

[@Wild_Bill57]

Back in ‘07, despite a fear of heights, my older daughter talked me into going tandem skydiving in Australia. Was an amazing experience. Jumped out of a stripped-down 4-seater, a real POS. Answer to the question, “ Why would you jump out of a perfectly good plane?” it really wasn't that good. Felt safer landing via parachute. The guy I did the jump with landed us exactly where he wanted to land. Incredible experience!

[@spvillano]

The standing joke is, "there is no such thing as a perfectly good airplane. There's always something on the ,maintenance request sheet". ;) Although, in the video' case, as I recall, the pilot had the port engine windmilling (idling, basically) to avoid prop washing the jumpers and he stalled the port wing. He then intentionally stalled the starboard wing to avoid the jumpers that were thrown free and nearing a flat spin, recovered by losing altitude and following standard recovery measures while avoiding the jumpers. In short, he put himself in that mess, was ready if it turned into a mess and acted accordingly. Trivia: The C-141 has a special air dam that's deployed forward of the door for jumpers to avoid getting the slipstream slamming them into the fuselage. One behavior of that is to induce a negative pressure vortex just inside of the door, a joke about that is "it removes the decision making from the jump process". ;)

[@shanesplanetshane3795]

Same experience here. The plane was held together by bottle labels and cans riveted into spots. The trip up made me so ill and the plane was so bad, I jumped out (scared of heights and all), as it seemed the far safer solution. The plane DID land safely tho, as did the skydivers..

[@Wild_Bill57]

For those who question the “POS” judgement. Duct tape was part of the structure of the plane and the pilot was beating the $h1t out of the plane to get us up there as fast as he could.

[@spvillano]

@@Wild_Bill57 sorry, but "part of the structure of the plane" means it is a structural member, which decidedly cannot withstand the stresses of flight. Although, I do believe the duck tape prize belongs to US Air, with a thoroughly taped first class section front bulkhead. Again, not structural, it's the cosmetic plastic covering the metal bulkhead, but it looked like shit on a hotplate and just as fun, the inflight entertainment system in first class was inoperative. First time and only time I paid to bump up to first class. The better food wasn't worth that additional premium, but the legroom was welcome and my old video glasses worked, with movies on my old hard drive equipped ipod. Well, it worked well enough for me to fall asleep watching it and waking up to a subsequent movie playing... Once I'm above 10000 feet for a bit, I'm out like a light.

[@peregrina7701]

For anyone interested in why high altitude stalls are trained extensively in simulators, look up the report on the loss of Air France 447. Those pilots didn't have that training. PS. Kelsey, I love your channel, your face is just fine, and I don't blame you for not wanting to jump out of a plane. I wouldn't either.

[@ariochiv]

If that's the flight I'm thinking of, the problem was that the pilots didn't even know that they were stalling; the nose didn't drop and the plane didn't roll. That's not an issue of not having stall recovery training; it's an issue of being totally unaware of what's happening despite stall warnings going off.

[@KMCA779]

Why would a pilot want to jump out of a perfectly good airplane?

[@TheFlyingZulu]

In my opinion the Air France copilot crashed that plane on purpose... No pilot in his right mind would CONTINE to hold the stick back in such a stall. Read the entire wiki on it... It's crazy one pilot was holding the stick in the aft position nearly the entire time they were stalling while the other pilot said he had the controls and pushed the stick forward trying to break the stall.

[@DocuzanQuitomos]

@@ariochiv The plane doesn't have to roll and the nose doesn't have to point down in a stall. The stall deals mostly with the lift generated by the wings, if the wings can't generate lift by any reason (slow speed, angle of attack, contamination or combination of all of those factors) the plane will enter in a stall and, basically, stop flying. It will still glide over the air, but gravity (the opposite force to lift) will be pulling harder, so the plane is practically sinking faster than it moves forward (but it's still moving with the wings paralel to the horizon, losing altitude fast). In the case of Air France 447, one of the pilots recognized it was a stall, but the second one (the most rookie one) panicked and went with the basic (but sadly wrong idea) that "if I want to go up, I have to put the nose up", pulled his stick and never released it. The other pilot tried to recover from the stall, but none of his inputs seemed to work and that confused him more (the Airbus system was designed that, when opposite inputs are made, the plane will always obey the first input entered... and the first input was the pilot pulling the nose up). When the captaing got back into the cockpit he was also confused for a couple of moments, until the new copilot said he didn't know why the plane wasn't recovering if he had been pulling up the nose all the time. Only at that point the captain and the other pilot realized the stall recovery inputs weren't working because the third pilot had prevented them from recovering the plane. They had him release the stick, unfortunately, the plane was already too low to recover.

[@DocuzanQuitomos]

@@TheFlyingZulu Actually... that's not quite true. While there has been a share of suicide pilots, the lack of enough training (or even panic, since pilots are human beings) can increase the risk of making this kind of, seemingly, unbelievable simple mistakes (that's why pilots train time and again in simulators, to try to bypass that initial "panic mode" and jump to a scenario you've practiced dozens of times in some way). And it's backed up by evidence, the mistake of the AF 447 copilot hasn't been the only documented case in commercial aviation of a pilot pulling back his column a lot when he shouldn't. The one that comes quickly to my mind: in December of 2014 (a couple of years after AF447), the copilot of Air Asia 8501 panicked after the pilot (foolishly) shut down the inflight computer, so he made a series of quick inputs that made him think his plane had gone crazy; he then pointed the nose up stalling the plane. The captain recognized the stall, but didn't realize his copilot was preventing the recovery actions, and even made things worse by giving wrong instructions to him (he apparently ordered both had "to pull down" the stick). The plane "sank" in the air, nose up and wings leveled until it hit the ocean.

[@colonelsanders3388]

Wow, your Grandfather was with the 101st Airborne in WW2!!!! He had balls that clanked..Big thanks for his service..

[@BStrambo]

Reminds me of something I heard when I was in the Ranger Regt. Don't know if it's true, urban myth or a joke. But the story was at a WWII reunion some young Rangers were there and bragging how many jumps they had. They asked an old vet how many jumps he made. "Just 4" "Only 4 that's it?" "Yeah, Sicily, Normandy, Holland..." 🤣

[@christibritton1436]

My first husbands best friends dad was a captain in 101st, jumped into Normandy. He was in Army Reserves when I knew him in '70's, had many interesting stories to tell us. Paratroopers are amazing people in my book.

[@MrAndyml]

Kelsey - There was an extensive debrief on reddit. Apparently this operation goes flight idle on the left engine and slows way down. The determination was, the divers outside the plane blocked the airflow to the horizontal stabilizer, so it didn’t have the authority to counter the aft CG. Wild stuff!!

[@roichir7699]

Did anyone mention the T-tail of the King Air? Which makes it a good skydiver plane, because the horizontal stabilizer is above the skydivers.

[@MrAndyml]

@@roichir7699 I think at the high angle of attack and the yaw from the starboard engine, it wasn’t good enough.

[@JCrook1028]

That makes it even worse. That their flight/jump plan itself caused this. The pilot should have known better.

[@Benji-jj2bg]

@JC1028 hindsight is 20/20 my friend. They did this drop thousands of times with no issue. What happened is the last guy out leaned back to far I guess. But its easy to judge in your position. They have already changed their exiting procedures.

[@juliac280]

I love your self-effacing attitude. It's so refreshing! Btw.. that little ginger kid looks like your doppelganger! Lol!! Keep the videos coming.. love them!!

[@imminicheddars]

I've never been skydiving but it is on my bucket list (as the last item, perhaps!) and when you said that in a secondary stall, a pilot can lose up to 10,000ft, I realised that that isn't far off a typical skydiving altitude of 14,000ft! Scary!

[@tisme1105]

I've no idea if this is correct. But Kelsey seemed to be talking about big planes at high altitude (thin air). I assume a smaller aircraft at lower altitude wouldn't necessarily need to drop so far in order to recover from a stall. Perhaps someone who knows more than I do could clarify?

[@StaticIce95]

@@tisme1105 You are correct. Kelsey was saying that the higher you are, the longer it takes due to the thinner air and more disconcerting it can be due to the time it takes to do so. Being a large aircraft would also make it take longer. On the other end of the spectrum, during my flight training in a tiny 4 seater single engine aircraft, I would regularly conduct stalls at 3500ft and be comfortably recovered by 3300ft. There used to be a 100ft limit when demonstrating in a flight test and is certainly possible but definitely increases the chance of a secondary stall. So being at 14000ft in the aircraft in this video would mean it would take more than 200ft to recover, (and considering it was a spin/stall) maybe closer to the 1-2000ft mark than 10000ft.

[@tisme1105]

@@StaticIce95 Thanks my friend.

[@SamMurphyHSV]

I went skydiving a few years ago in Texas. One thing that helped me take the step out was a movie quote from one of my favorite Clint Eastwood movies Heartbreak Ridge. During the jump training scene, one of the recruits tells Clint Eastwood's character that he is afraid of heights to which Clint Eastwood's character responds with "so am I" and then "jumping out of a perfectly good aircraft is not a natural act so do it right and enjoy the view." That is in my opinion of the best quotes for skydiving in general. Great video as always!

[@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890]

silly plane, you weren’t designed for skydiving

[@tomgio1]

Learned yet another aspect of aviation I had no clue about; so thank you for the summary and commentary, and in presenting it in a way that was educational, respectful, and balanced.

[@bujablaster]

I believe that left engine propeller, which seems to be fully feathered to provide zero propeller wash during skydivers jumping, added a lot to whole situation and secondary stall and spin. That aircraft is King Air 350 with turboprop PW PT-6 engines, if i am not mistaken, so it takes some amount to time not just only unfeather the prop but also rev up the turbine.

[@atway70]

The pilot literally stated in his report that it was feathered, for this exact reason - reduced propwash for the jumpers. Pilot stated he had asymmetric thrust upon trying to recover - caused by this exact thing.

[@FiveTwoSevenTHR]

@Tom Gulbranson it was feathered though

[@FiveTwoSevenTHR]

@Tom Gulbranson look up Blancolirio. He did a great video on this and brought up the report.

[@andrewagner2035]

Left engine wasn’t feathered, it’s a King Air 90 at Mossel Bay in South Africa and happend in October 2021. Yes, too many people at the door, nose pitched up, stall spin from about 14000ft.

[@tomclark6271]

@Tom Gulbranson Cudos to the pilot for admitting the incident as an "incident"and following up with an official incident report as required under Part 135.

[@chriskola3822]

I've watched a quite a few of your videos but I'm finally subscribing. Mostly to add a vote to have you go skydiving :D

[@74gear]

Just looking for that code brown huh? Haha

[@chriskola3822]

@@74gear Honestly, it is often really interesting to see highly skilled, well trained professionals functioning (or not) outside of their comfort zone. The reaction (and even just the willingness to do it) says an awful lot about a person.

[@MsTreerat]

Fantastic explanation Kelsey- thank you. On a side note, would you consider adding on-screen which country you are recording in? You must travel every where and I always wonder which part of the world you are in during each video.

[@neonsigns6721]

Kelsey I know there are people on here who give you grief, but to hell with them. I like your channel and your voice is relaxing. So, again thanks for the effort you put in to your videos. Keep it up

[@kenbrown2808]

the difference between a skydiver and a paratrooper/smoke jumper: skydiver "I'ma jump out of a perfectly good airplane for kicks" paratrooper "just drop me off here, and I'll walk the rest of the way"

[@OpenCarryUSMC]

As a pilot and an aircraft mechanic (military and my own civil plane) I can assure you that THERE IS NI SUCH THING AS A PERFECTLY FUNCTIONING AIRCRAFT

[@mo.alsmadi]

I was watching another video when this one popped up and I immediately clicked on it.. I’ve been waiting your coverage on this incident!!

[@marlinweekley51]

Its always a race between the jump plane and the jumpers to get on the ground first. I have a nephew who is a jump instructor in Moab and am always amazed at the steep dive they put the jump plane in.

[@74gear]

Ya I’ve seen that too but when safely coordinated it’s cool

[@marlinweekley51]

@@74gear agree. Really enjoy your channel - great work 👍

[@scottiesnipes]

Im a pilot and a skydiver and I’ll say that skydiving is way less stress than flying Kelsey, time for you to go skydiving

[@74gear]

Seems statistically unlikely but I’ve flown a plane a lot more than jumped out of one

[@SBCBears]

@@74gear Also, that's just one man's opinion, which I am not demeaning in any way. Here's mine, FWIW. People respond differently and often unexpectedly to situations. I saw a football player almost pass out when he had blood drawn. You do you, Big Red. Would like to hear your reaction if you did jump.

[@chrisschack9716]

I went skydiving a couple of times, and it was funny, I was more nervous on the way up than when it was time to go out the door! When it came down to it, they said move, I moved, they said jump, I jumped!

[@SBCBears]

@@chrisschack9716 My "first time" was much the same... both times. :)

[@Roadglide911]

@@74gear I’m with you. I flew all over the world while in the military and watched many paratroopers exit through the troop door, and I can tell you about one guy who never went out that door and you’re talking to him. It would be hard enough to get me to jump out of an aircraft pending disaster much less a perfectly good flying aircraft.

[@oddshot60]

I have a buddy who flew 727s when I met him and just retired flying 747s. When he was a 727 Captain, he took me to go see the sims up by Newark airport. I was amazed that these giant starwars looking things bobbing and weaving above us. Do the "stimulators" still look and move like that? Could you do a program on them?

[@xp4030]

I piloted a sim once (without cabin movement), I was a kid, I crashed at take off

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

A few years back, Petter from Mentour Pilot partnered with a school to demonstrate their simulators. It did indeed look like a giant pod, bobbing and twisting on massive hydraulic arms. Petter did a few videos with the partner; I recall it including one where he demonstrated how to roll a 777. Pretty crazy how detailed those sims are.

[@jeno826]

We all wish you a merry Christmas and happy new year from Hungary Kelsey !!!!!!!!! Keep doing what you do! You’re awesome!!!!!!!!!

[@Parawingdelta2]

I was a skydiving instructor in Australia in the seventies. I actually hit another aircraft once. We were doing a formation jump with two Cessnas with five or six jumpers in each aircraft. The trailing aircraft was behind, below and to the left of the lead, so those guys could see us (in front) making our exit and leave at the same time and still have separation between the lead jumpers and the trailing aircraft. When the two aircraft powered off, the leading aircraft (which I was in) drifted directly in front of the other. I exited second or third and after a few seconds a wing entered my view. Some part of the aircraft contacted the front of my helmet and I was flipped over backwards and could taste blood. No idea why, but my first reaction was to grab my reserve handle and had thoughts about losing consciousness, but I was OK. The other guys were completely unaware, and assumed I'd just messed up the exit and started linking up with me. They only realised something was wrong when they saw my face covered in blood. A little blood spreads a long way at 120mph! A bleeding nose and two black eyes were the only injury.

[@valeries9297]

Who got in trouble for that? Was there new precautions and procedures put in place to ensure an incident like that doesn't happen again?

[@Parawingdelta2]

@@valeries9297 As far as I know, no one. Although we as skydivers had a culture of safety amongst ourselves, there seemed very little formal risk analysis or assessment as we know it today. In my opinion the chase was too close behind the lead and the lead wasn't focusing on keeping the aircraft on a straight course. The lead pilot was a dickhead anyway. I was on a demonstration jump with this guy and after stooging around for some time trying to find the actual location of the event, the latch on the pilots side window broke and the window was banging up and down against the lower surface of the wing (Cessna 185). I elected to stay with the aircraft after the others jumped and hold the window frame as the aircraft returned to our DZ. Half way there the pilot said told me he would have to land at a local aerodrome due to a low fuel state. We landed, taxied off the runway and ran out of fuel. Had to push the aircraft to the fuel bowser.

[@vsabio]

Skydiving instructor in the U.S., where we keep the trailing aircraft at a HIGHER altitude than the aircraft in front, for exactly the reason that caused your collision.

[@Parawingdelta2]

@@vsabio Seems like a good idea. Formation loads were a new thing for us at the time and although the pilots went through some sort of 'qualification' for such flying, I think that was more about an exception to rules of separation than anything. I'm not even sure how the trailing aircraft ended up lower, which wasn't by much. The main problem though was that they were far too close. Maybe they were frustrated 'Blue Angels' wannabees'.

[@vsabio]

@@Parawingdelta2 Glad you got away with only bruises. Most contacts don't end that way -- thank goodness they're pretty rare to begin with.

[@theharper1]

So glad you responded to the idea of skydiving like that. I've flown in an ultralight that was a glorified hang glider, but planes are something you fly in, not jump out of!

[@mvonsmallhausen3221]

There was a similar situation a couple years back, also captured on camera. Started every bit like this one except for the fact that one of the skydivers hit the elevator on his way out with his leg. Unfortunately, the elevator was in almost full down position as the pilot was trying to compensate for the nose going up. Upon impact the elevator got stuck in that position and once the aircraft recovered from the stall it went for an almost vertical dive. The pilot kept fighting to get the elevator to move again and managed to do that at around 2000 ft and landed safely. During the dive the aircraft significantly exceeded Vne. That's some code brown material if you ask me.

[@ryanpaima4819]

I imagine this is why skydive pilots also wear parachutes.

[@Heavenly_Heal]

5:45 I believe it’s a 360° camera where you can just move the video to keep it aligned with the subject so that people viewing it on a flat screen never have to do anything, it’s all fine by the editor of the videos

[@halkael2317]

When I wanted to try skydiving, my mom asked “why the hell would you wanna jump out of a perfectly good plane!?!?” My answer was “ because in case I’m in a plane that suddenly becomes not “perfectly good”, I will know what to do instead of just sit there and panic” 🤣

[@tommyron]

Bro, I will be perfectly happy for you to stay IN the plane at ALL TIMES! Merry Christmas and a great 2022!

[@Saml01]

Just had a discussion about stalls in a flying chat. ACS requires "recognition and prompt recovery". PTS(old standard) required "recovery with minimal loss of altitude".

[@TheWabbit]

As a non-pilot I thought to myself " isn't it more important to get in a situation where you're not stalling anymore than trying to not lose altitude". So I'm glad they have changed that! To me if you're at 30,000 I'd gladly lose 20,000 to get right and stable other than try to lose just 5,000 to just go into another stall end up doing twice the work and losing 15,000 more with it not being as stable and you're under more stress to get it right since you only have 10,000 left, 3 strikes and your out I guess.

[@Mo_Taser]

I don't know how even any half-assed pilot would not know that's a bad idea stacking all those people up on one side of the plane.

[@yzScott]

If you aren't going to go skydiving, do sailplanes. I've done lots of both. Skydiving isn't really as scary as it looks. It quickly becomes downright relaxing. Getting out of high wing loaded jump planes like a King-Air sucks. They just can't slow down that much. Otter, Porter, or Skyvan are so much easier (especially for those early in career).

[@bradleydobie3891]

There was an investigation into this incident. The pilot stated that he added throttle when pulling out of the dive and one engine spooled faster than the other. The differential thrust contributed to the secondary spin. I believe the third recovery was the final one.

[@thebiggerbyte5991]

As always, a great explanation, Kelsey. As a passenger, I've paid a lot for a perfectly good seat on an aircraft and have no desire to leave it ;).

[@erikwestrheim804]

lol

[@wayne3074]

merry christmas kelsey,have followed you through another entertainer year,hope you have enough time to unwind over the holidays,look forward to watching more videos in 2022

[@gofastER]

To answer a question a lot of people here seem to have, there is no such thing as a perfectly good airplane. And a lot of skydivers are more comfortable jumping and being in control of their own landing rather than be a passenger with someone else in control.

[@myself5235]

that's me :)

[@ThrasherGnar]

For sure!🤘

[@fakebrake]

I jumped tandem last year at 55 years old 12000 feet. I was terrified but glad I did it. I don't feel the need to do it again.

[@SBCBears]

As an aside, if you ever get to see a mass troop drop, you will notice that the aircraft are not closely spaced in-trail as they pass over the DZ and release their jumpers. Among other things, this spacing facilitates aircraft to avoid troops still in the air in case of loss of power.

[@thatguyalex2835]

Yeah, so true. You don't want aircraft to collide with diving troops. That would hurt real bad, and lead to severe injury or worse for those parachuting down. :(

[@ARKenMan]

I always enjoy your videos....thank you! I am learning a lot.

[@FrankieNY59]

Kelsey, don’t jump out of a plain!!! I’m totally with you on that one. Another awesome vid and review by you. You have such a great personality and so easy going. Not sure why ppl feel the need to insult your looks and question if you’re a pilot. You rock!!! It’s sad that 747’s are being phased out for passengers. It’s my fave plain.

[@JW...-oj5iw]

A plain is an area of "flat" land.

[@MrRexquando]

Another contributing factor was the clubs SOP was to bring the door side engine to flight idle during the bail-out so you don't blast the jumpers. This accelerated the Stall-Spin cycle with the roll to the left. Secondary stall would have happened because the port motor hadn't spooled up yet.

[@markusallport1276]

"I am not this kid either." Had me lol'ing for real. Tell me... do you have issues controlling the plane when you have to transport people for a weight watchers convention? Asking for a friend...

[@tylisirn]

There has been some accidents that have happened in smaller regional and commuter planes that have been result of people's average weights creeping up since the center of gravity charts were drawn up decades ago. Air Midwest Flight 5481 was one such tragic event.

[@jmagner]

What a great video and explanation of a secondary stall!

[@alexandrialucius8351]

There is indoor skydiving you can do Kelsey. That way there is no plane involved.

[@Maderyne]

I agree with you. Jumping out of a functional airplane just doesn't seem to make sense. I'm just not that much of a thrill-seeker to risk my life on the assumption that the person who packed my parachute was competent and able to do it properly. It's a leap of faith I'm not willing to take! I enjoy your viral debriefs. Have a safe and happy holiday, Kelsey!

[@stevelevesque3274]

are you able to show us the inside of hangers, productions lines - manufacturing? thanks

[@74gear]

Well I just fly the planes I don’t make them too… I’m not that cool. I don’t think I’d want to fly a plane I made

[@jackpijjin4088]

@@74gear it would be really neat for all of us to learn together! :D

[@stevejones6247]

Merry Christmas Kelsey keep up the good work

[@aussiebloke609]

Kelsey, there's one other thing: the last guy to climb out leaned back a lot further than the rest, and I wonder if his body blocked too much air flow to the elevator on that side. It's a small thing, but that's exactly when the plane nosed up - your thoughts?

[@roichir7699]

Nope. The King Air has a T-tail. The elevator is above the fuselage what makes it good for skydiving.

[@aussiebloke609]

@@roichir7699 5:29 Those elevators are mounted to the rear of the fuselage, not the top of a T-tail.

[@roichir7699]

@@aussiebloke609 You are right. I had the 350 in mind.

[@SandrA-hr5zk]

Blancolirio did a video on this a little while back. He also read the pilot report from the incident. But unless you're into actually flying, it's not easy to understand. This is why I love Kelsey's debrief videos. He makes it easy to understand, and makes other flight channels more enjoyable.

[@Glen_lastname]

I believe it was air france flight 447 where An a330 stalled from 30,000ft and they where unable to recover. It's an interesting case study, there's a mayday episode about it.

[@kenbrown2808]

Mentour Pilot has a video about a pair of pilots transporting an empty plane who decided to push the altitude limit, and pushed too hard. IIRC, the title is something about treating an airplane like a toy.

[@Hartbreak1]

Yeah Flight 447, the pitot tubes froze so it gave an erroneous stall warning. The FO kept trying to pull the stick up while the captain tried to pull down. Even though the captain called for the controls the FO kept pulling up and because of the input conflict and lack of understanding of of what each other was doing they were unable to recover.

[@Hartbreak1]

@@kenbrown2808 yeah I remember that, they abused the controls and performance of the plane so much that eventually the engines suffered damage and locked up. Since they got to their final altitude with very low speed the aircraft stalled.

[@kenbrown2808]

@@Hartbreak1 ah, yes, I had forgotten those engines had a quirk that made restarting difficult. but the part I remember is they were in denial about being in trouble for too long, which led to the ultimate unfortunate ending.

[@micahned]

Love the videos brother. You put off good vibes and a good attitude and rational thinking. Raising a beer to your grandfather.

[@scottiesnipes]

Some of my friends have had this same situation happen Really all that we changed was only allowing 1 fewer person behind a white line on the floor, a bit aft of the wing spar Correction for avoiding this is usually CG not airspeed. Jumprun on a king air is already faster than most skydiving planes and the door is quite small

[@moonbeamer4468]

Love your videos! I’m addicted! I have a weird question, who does your professional uniform laundry?

[@Bolivar2012able]

That pilot has learned a hard lesson. Let that many skydivers hang off the side of the plane whilst in flight could have potentially destabilised and crashed that plane.

[@pigeon7446]

as soon as they jump, the plane becomes stable again and any competent pilot can recover from the stall or spin from that high up. There is no risk of a crash here unless both engines eat a skydiver

[@itsjustpizza]

Did you or anyone giving this comment a thumbs up even watch the video? The pilot was 100% at fault. He explained everything.

[@JohanWilt]

The skydivers may very well have been at fault as well. If (!) they break the agreements ( made prior ) how far aft they can move the CG, the pilot now has to fly the plane in circumstances ( speed, angle ) he did not prepare for. Skydivers may ask for a level jumprun, at a lower speed, with less power ( basically for comfort ), but that has consequences for the CG. If you want a low exit speed, don't cram everyone in the back of the plane. You can hang 16 people out the door of a Caravan, but the pilot will somehow have to keep the speed up and the nose down.

[@poker_18rs92]

One thing I was wondering was: What are the chances that the plane could've broken apart when it starting spinning around that high up? I was hoping Kelsey would've talked about that.... I'd also like to hear from that actual pilot on how he handled it & was his thoughts were....

[@oldmech619]

@@itsjustpizza Pilot Error from the top. Whilst the divers were hanging on outside causing a partial lose of airflow over the left elevator and rudder, the pilot reduced power on the left engine so as not to cause buffeting from the left propwash. Now the pilot tried to maintain altitude with just the right engine at slow flight. There was absolutely no reason to maintain altitude. He could have just throrrle back both engines and let the plane lose a little altitude without causing the plane to stay on the edge of a Power Stall with one engine and extra drag from the divers.

[@Zany4God]

Kelsey, another great video. I've been out the door twice, above the cloud layer and at 13.5. Oh, what a thrill.

[@geezerpleasers_OG]

It's highly unlikely that there was a camera operator keeping the plane in sight. What is most likely is that they were using a 360 degree action camera, such as the GoPro Max or the Insta360 One X2. Since the camera captures a 360 degree view, you can set the focus wherever you want within that 360 degree view, in the editing process. In fact, in the Insta360 software app, you simply set it to track an object, then specify the plane as the object, and the software does all the rest to select and frame to focus on that plane within the available 360 degree view.

[@liloz33]

As a skydiver and videographer I will disagree. One the view from the GoPro max while skydiving is much different than what you see in the video. The skydiver doing the video was in the position called "Camera Step" his/her goal was to video the formation and not be a part of the formation. If you watch the exit it is very stable and he/she maintains focus on the aircraft and the other skydivers. This is his/her job on this skydive. Also as a skydiver I have been apart of three aircraft emergencies. When you are tossed out of a plane unexpectedly you want to find that aircraft and other skydivers as quickly as possible to make sure you/they are not going to be bouncing off of the aircraft. He/she also followed the aircraft as long as he/she could and or until the aircraft regained control. This is all for safety reasons.

[@geezerpleasers_OG]

@@liloz33 As someone with more than 50 years experience with photography and videography, and 30 years experience with digital imaging, everything you see in the video is easily accomplished with a GoPro Max if you have the expertise in post.

[@e.t.ecagemathafaka8779]

Love your videos! I always learn so much

[@samanthajane631]

All jokes aside, is this experience something that most pilots would be able to emotionally/ psychologically just walk away from and fly another day? Or could this potentially have been a career ending event? Surely this was a scary event for everyone involved so would there be mandatory counselling or anything like that for the pilot? I'm just imagining what must be going through the pilots mind the next time he takes a group up. We all know pilots are incredible but still human, right?

[@74gear]

I think if they understood why it happened it would be fine. If they never learned why it was happening that would be scary but understanding why it’s going on makes a huge difference

[@Nilguiri]

It looked like he had plenty of altitude so he probably wasn't in that much danger, unless he was totally clueless, in which case he had no business being a jump pilot!

[@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307]

@@74gear Hey if you the jump out the plane make sure you flap your wings for the video 😁

[@rederos8079]

I think in the og video the description stated that they discussed the accident with the pilots and did actually change the exit procedures, so I think all of them have will fly after that. I think with all my experience in aviations(practically none compared to some people) I think we are the type of people who try to learn from a mistake and try to continue as well as we can after it.

[@RipleySawzen]

This is a professional pilot, not a recreational one. I highly doubt something like this is going to stop them. We've all had worse incidents while driving and that's never stopped us from getting back behind the wheel.

[@EricPalmerBlog]

Not the preferred way, but one way to get departing controlled flight experience in that aircraft type. Keep up the great work and Merry Christmas.

[@quangsangvu6685]

ayo watch your jet, watch your jet bro WATCH YO JE-

[@lucasd3658]

What a wonderful video once again, love these! :D

[@JC_Musician]

I’ve had many pilots tell me there’s no reason to jump out of a perfectly good airplane 😅

[@JohanWilt]

As many skydivers will tell you, there are no perfectly good airplanes.

[@V-Smith]

An article in which the videographer described the incident reads; "We opened the door and began the climb out. As is normal, the skydive team was fully focused on achieving correct positioning and exit timing," van Rensburg said. Van Rensburg said their intense focus on task resulted in many skydivers missing the signs of an imminent stall. The divers managed to climb outside the plane. Then, just as we jumped, I recorded the aircraft starting to bank as it went out of control and nosedived .” This means - The skydivers jumped voluntarily, unaware that anything was wrong. They weren’t thrown off the plane at all! - The pilot fully lost control AFTER the skydivers LET GO off the plane, not before! It was starting to stall but wasn’t yet unmanageable. - They weren’t tossed from the side of the aircraft because the pilot completely lost control, he completely lost control of the aircraft BECAUSE too many skydivers left the side of the plane at once. From the pilot: - The incident occurred on 14-Oct-21 - The aircraft was inspected and is undamaged. - The stall happened when we allowed too many jumpers on the outside step, causing the nose to pitch up beyond the controllability of the elevator. - The aircraft was successfully recovered after two spin rotations. - Further asymmetrical movements on the wings after the stall spin recovery were due to one engine spooling up quicker than the other. - The incident was reported to CAA within 24 hours. They investigated it and they seem to be happy that the aircraft was operated and flown within its STC. - In future, no more than 5 jumpers will be allowed on the outside step. We will also brief the big formations to be wary of a pitch moment of the nose of the aircraft,so they can let go should this happen. This will also be placarded inside the aircraft and included in our King Air briefing for new jumpers.

[@patriciamariemitchel]

Kelsey, you do a very good job of explaining things. Nice video. 🏆

[@VV-nw4cz]

It is comforting to know that airline pilots are required to go through simulator training regularly and not just when they get their license.

[@tman1129]

Went skydiving last summer with Skydive Tecumseh in this same king air, was amazing! Felt every single emotion all at once, incredible... going again this summer! In my flight training in 2005, we weren't specifically taught to maintain altitude, and stalls were stressed as push forward, level the wings, and gain airspeed, not maintain altitude.

[@zeke7515]

Went to ERAU. Had a flight training monitor who used to skydive in DeLand often. He knew a pilot who, right after jumping, would purposely stall and dive in attempt to beat the jumpers to the ground so they could pack the most amount of jumps in one day. He got paid in accordance to how many flights he did per day.

[@josefmrtka6431]

If I recall corectly, the explanation from the pilot himself was that acording their POH he set left engine to idle and feather left prop, too many skydivers went into the doors and shifted the CG behind the rear CG limit, his use of full right rudder wasn´t enough for asymetric trust, he then compensated with little right aileron and the fist spin occured, the secondary spins came from asymetric trust as he had advanced the throtlle, but the fethered left prop needs 10-15 seconds to get into the fine pitch again.

[@YateyTileEditor]

Yup, it's a South African pilot who flies out of Cape Town. I forget the details though.

[@ratmanmurray7137]

I only fly Cessnas and other small planes, but I do know that in a stall/spin/spiral dive with a high angle of attack, the ailerons can become drag makers rather than lift makers, so the ailerons can have the opposite effect. The pilot was all over this when he said he centered the ailerons... as we all know, to get out of a spin/spiral, one levels the wings and get out of the dive with the rudder and elevator... Kudos to the pilot... good job!

[@jelisontejada1758]

I’ve been watching you since 23ksubscribers it’s fun to watch you grow 🥺🥺🥺🥺

[@74gear]

wow, thats long time ago glad you have hung around so long Jelison thank you!

[@jelisontejada1758]

@@74gear keep it up

[@Eternal_Tech]

Kelsey: Do not feel pressured to do anything that you do not want to do. I recommend finding something enjoyable for both you and us for your 1,000,000th subscriber special.

[@annatamparow4917]

Wow! Kelsey, the 101st airborne is legendary! Operation Overlord, Operation Market Garden ( Montgomery’s major blunder), Battle of the Bulge, no code brown with the Screaming Eagles! Respect for your grandfather! General McAuliffe is famous for responding’Nuts’ to the Germans encircling Bastogne, which baffled them but is hilarious, in hindsight!

[@SOURMlLK]

It looks like the plane went skydiving with them 😂

[@jimflys2]

Hey, my dad was also 101st in WWII. 501 PIR. I told him I wanted to try skydiving. That was 35 years ago. He said, "well don't tell me if you do, because I will sweat out your jump just like I sweat out every jump I made." I decided not to do it. I think about these brave men of the 101st Airborne every year at this time. IN FACT today, Dec. 22nd is the anniversary of them being surrounded at Bastonge and given the "surrender or face complete annihilation" ultimatumn by the German commander. " NUTS! " Thank you General McAuliffe! When men had balls.

[@-Master_Of_Disaster]

Good one! I learned something new here. Thanks Kelsey!

[@CaptainKevin]

As a truck driver, I almost had an incident with a skydiving plane many years ago. I was driving up the interstate when I saw a skydiving plane at a rather high altitude. Figured he was high enough that he wouldn't be much of a threat. A few seconds later, he was going right across my windshield at a rather low altitude, missed the runway completely, and landed on the grass right next to the runway. Definitely wasn't expecting that one.

[@3gsFreak]

Another amazing video. Love these!

[@scottcol23]

In the sky diver stall video. Its hard to tell just how much altitude the plane lost. It doesn't look like they lost much at all until you realize that the person filming is free falling at around 150mph along with the plane. The whole thing took about 20 seconds to recover. meaning the plane lost about 4,400 feet. 150 mph is 220 feet per second x 20 seconds = 4,400 feet that is a lot rather quickly. Can we also appreciate just how well that sky diver filmed the plane. He managed to keep the plane in the shot the whole time while falling and keeping an eye on the 6 other jumpers.

[@antoniog9814]

"I am also not this kid either." I'm still laughing, lol

[@mikepowell2776]

Your initial view of skydiving is shared by many pilots: why get out of a comfortable seat and fling yourself voluntarily from a perfectly serviceable aircraft? This was my father’s view. He was involved in aviation from 1940 to 2000.

[@steelpl]

There was a report from that pilot on reddit somewhere. He said that procedure of dropping people out of that airplane was to slow down to around 93-95kts (where Vsse is 98kts) just above stall speed on full flaps, then to reduce power on that engine AND feather prop to reduce propwash. So once it stalled it took a while until prop unfeathered itself thus due to increased power and asymetric thrust he went into next spin. Procedure of parachuting people was not taking into account that guys want to make some fancy formations while in air and they will gather on outside moving CG aft and obstructing horizontal stabilizer airflow for that long.

[@X737_]

I’m with you Kelsey, I don’t see why anyone would want to exit a perfectly serviceable aircraft before it has landed and come to a stop.

[@879jde]

Because we hate landing in planes🤪

[@NovaMcKay]

I read the incident report on the and the pilot said he had the engine on the skydiver’s side at idle and feathered to prevent as much prop wash as possible. When the stall happened the difference in drag and torque was so much that it pulled the plane in an excessive bank and yaw down as he was trying to recover, he didn’t wait for the left engine to spool enough to make a stable recovery.

[@andreforcier97]

Very cool! Also, IHMO you should do a skydive 🪂 if not for hitting a mark, just for the fun of it. Do a tandem dive, let the professional do all the work and just be the pax! 😉 I did one from 13,500ft here, just north of Toronto and it was a blast! BTW, we went out the back of a Skyvan. That was very cool. Talk about that last step!! 🤪

[@iknklst]

Your gramps was a paratrooper with the 101st, he was a certified badass. Any person who would jump out of a perfectly good airplane and land behind enemy lines, **and do it on purpose** , is no one to be messed with.

[@k2_tech745]

These situations almost always come down to the skydivers not briefing the pilot on how they are exiting. If the pilot is briefed, he can fly the aircraft to avoid stalling. On certain aircraft (i.e. King Air 99s, CASAs, Skyvans), putting most/all of the jumpers in the back isn't possible due to CG. In that case, the pilot can tell them not to do that. Of course, if you have heads up, knowledgeable people organizing the load (of skydivers) they know to brief everyone where to be or not on exit to also help avoid this.

[@ffets-SEP]

As the people are starting to leave the plane, you can see the propeller for a moment. It turns quite slow, so it looks, as if it was turned off there and was only windmilling. If so, this is definitively a big contribution to the stall.

[@bboyjunyor]

Jump! Jump! Jump!!!! 😁 Great content, as always! thanks!

[@ImGumbyDangit]

The training I regret not getting when I was infantry (prior to switching to Airforce) was Jump training. I would have loved to earn my Jump Wings. I'm trying to loose some weight so I can still take this off my bucket list.