🛑 7800X3D VS 12900K MAX OC BENCHMARKS 2024 😱👑

[@geraldprime_]

Bro this is perfect. I snagged a 12900KS for $244 with a 103 P Core SP and I've been happy as hell with it. Upgraded from a 10900k.

[@Greez1337]

just lock the cores. SP score aint gonna do squat if it's a difference of 100mhz on one core at the cost of over 1.3V.

[@geraldprime_]

@@Greez1337 I do have them locked, I wouldn't buy a K SKU to run it at stock, it defeats the purpose. Gonna delid it and build a new loop.

[@gametestinglab8861]

If I’m not wrong they are 10% apart. What difference you’re getting on your upgraded CPU?

[@joeysuzyjozy]

Snagged a 14900k for $300 new on offer up, it's been the Goat since then running like a champ at 5.8 all core at 1.28v, No regerts!

[@shiftctrlhack]

Awesome man ! Thats a serious upgrade. 12th Gen really is a leap in performance and that 12900K is no slouch.

[@stawsky]

I didn't see a single Tech Tuber who suggest to lock all cores and voltage. All of them pushing new Intel microcode to check if problem been fixed. Non of them suggest different solution... Thanks F-Ch to be a ''Voice of Wisdom '' in this topic. Sorry to see so many people following incompetent people.

[@kenobi639]

Yeah definitely one of few channels giving actual solitions other than "Just trust intel again, bro"

[@stawsky]

@@kenobi639 Funny thing about it that apparently there is so many Intels faulty cpus so where are videos with them to confirm it ??? No Amd has 9000 series and so far no so positive reviews....😏

[@blacksamuraisoffendme]

The same dude that was asking for 2K for a “binned” 14th gen cpu XD

[@lostsoul029]

I actually think a few have tried locking voltages and cores but still saw the behavior

[@winonesoon9771]

Use ryzen master if you to have bud......easy peasy..... ​@@danejasho

[@MrSnowboarder72]

i have 13700k locked at 5.5 pcore and 4.4 ecore at 1.25v and its been awesome. I can be mid game and run cinebench multi-core test and it wont throttle or crash.

[@shiftctrlhack]

I'm about to build me a 13700K system here in a few days. Still trying to decide on a MOBO. More of the creator type so I need one with plenty of m.2 storage and plenty of USB ports. I have multiple 4K 60 capture cards I need to run. 2 of them are Type C 10GB so 3.2 Gen 2 & 1 PCIe for the 3) 4K 60 captures. Do you have any good suggestions? I have a 4090 and a 4080. My other PC has the 4090 so the 4080 will be in this one unless I switch it up. This one will only be for recording and saving everything.

[@MrSnowboarder72]

@@shiftctrlhack just get the MSI pro z790 a or a max which evers cheaper

[@Devilous_1]

@@shiftctrlhackyoo! try looking at gigabyte gaming x ax rev 1.0 or rev 2.0 if you want wifi 7 it has 3 or 4 m.2 slots if im not mistaken, you can check their website. and its super budget friendly for a sleeper and a spec-ed out z790 also has top tier audio and vrm cooling overbuilt where im over locking the crap out of an 13600k and its taking it like a champ all of that for around 200-260usd depending where u live and what ever store you buy from. its my daily driver for just over a year now, i hope this helps ya!

[@Devilous_1]

i dont recommend some msi mobos since they sometimes can be hit and miss from my past experience so trust issues you know 😂

[@Devilous_1]

try checking the aorus z790 lines since theyre now significantly cheaper the 5-6 months ago

[@WaspMedia3D]

Correction: 9:47 _"If I shake the mouse 5x faster and 2x longer on the amd system, I get lower 1% lows, but if shake it the same on both, its the same ... so its situational"_ 10:16 _"oh hold on, I got a 'out of vram' error" ..._

[@cmdrstarlion7179]

That and the black screen in Intel part looks so shady

[@WaspMedia3D]

@@cmdrstarlion7179 This guy is pretty biased - he's getting better though. If you always have favoured one brand it's hard to be truly subjective. whatever, as long as one can see it, and take the good from the bad and stay objective enough yourself, to see bias (in either direction) and get the full picture. It was a humourous bit, so I commented. As a disclaimer, I do prefer AMD at this time but would have no problem picking up intel the last few years, especially now they've moved way up in multicore perf. 14700k is a beast for the price.

[@blkspade23]

Yeah that specific thing he does is just super artificial. You would never be able to apply continuous whipping to do anything functional in practice. You are almost always going to whip to a single point ,stop access/shoot in like 180 degree increments, period. Like I could do the same thing in external views in DCS to prove that the engine is multi-threaded in IO operations because core utilization would spike. I can't doing anything useful in the game by doing that though.

[@lilililiililili6363]

@@WaspMedia3D the guy is a huge scammer and sells OC consults that don't even work, if they worked on 100% of systems atleast you could call his service legit lol 😂😂😂😂 he just hates the 7800x3d because it fucking rapes his 14900k tune and sells the idea of "needing the best to compete" when most kids that follow him would get raped from a guy on PS4 on controller and a hyperx headset.

[@x_Andrew_x09]

Please add Tarkov to the benchmarks. Specifically, the "Streets of Tarkov" map, where FPS drops below 60 with a X3D. No one has done a proper Intel vs AMD Max OC Tarkov benchmark yet.

[@ajones5341]

+1 on this post.

[@EzBreezy750]

Any i9 9900k gamers still going strong

[@ipeter7472]

Heyooo

[@TWsrt-pt3ow]

10700k with 4133mhz C17 goes hard too

[@jagenaudas8605]

oced 8600k 3600cl14 still works great, 4k resolution.

[@davidtheslayerrr]

i just upgraded to a 12900k from a 9900k, it was just giving up on me. had it on 5ghz for the last 4yrs

[@bm373]

9900k running 5.1 here...crazy micro stutters at 4k 120hz and 1440 ultrawide 250hz. Need a new cpu...✌️🇺🇲

[@Andrewl125]

I got a 12900KS and wanted to upgrade so badly, but after the Intel Scandal and suchI'm glad I waited. I am stoked my processor is still kicking ass, and this video made me feel a whole lot better. Keep doing what you doing Jufes!!!

[@jrose-xp6tf]

Same story here, I always hang-back a gen or 2...this is why.

[@DingleBerryschnapps]

Lmao... scandal. 😂

[@DingleBerryschnapps]

​@@jrose-xp6tf that's literally what 90% of people do though. I don't know anyone that just buys a Chip without checking benchmarks before they upgrade.

[@zee9709]

Never buy new release product, you always become beta tester, happens to almost every tech this day

[@MultiRecordMusicInc]

I'm still chilling on my 10900k for the next 10 years.

[@Toufan1-gr4br]

so good, only limit is pcie 3 i thunk

[@reizen5659]

@@Toufan1-gr4br still not a limit honestly for the current gen gpu. unless he needs the gen 4 ssd.

[@enuazeal]

5800x3d here :) no need to change

[@Toufan1-gr4br]

@@reizen5659 ur probably right, it probably depending on the Resolution i thunk

[@walllec]

10900k is obsolete, it's slower than i5

[@eviliso]

Thanks for pointing out sim racing. As a sim racer and follower of your channel, i can add little bit of info. In general, sim racing is both gpu and cpu bound, almost always. What is irrelevant for most cases - is single screen performance and general bentchmarks dont represent actual situation. 3 screens render is the more relevant scenario case, like 3x1080, 3x1440. Its not resolutiom thingy, its actual seperate 3 screens render, which is very actual for cpu too. Real sims are highly heavy on their physics engine, specially on multi racing, multi class and on large tracks. Gpu is working hard if you want eye candy on that large resolution, but esports settings usually are quite low, because in general there are no system that can cope with max out settings in sim, difficult topic. AMD cache was god send, i think mostly because of tracks, and cars being some sort stable items. But high cpu freq and tuned ram is also relevant, so this topic for sim racers is relevant, problem that most of sim racers are not hw friendly and to build the system is very expensive, excluding cost for pc.

[@alaskanassassin7332]

Locked 12700k Timmyslayer at 5.0 on a-die is amazing for my backup rig. Stellar hardware

[@julienlauzon1106]

I build myself a 12900k rtx 4090 64 go 6400mhz pc a month ago men this is absolutly great its just amazing, super good temps stable AF quick fast ... just amazing 12 gen

[@2maac550]

10:56 The texture is loaded into the GPU vram. It is not streaming through the fabric. The only time that happens is when the GPU vram is full and it needs to display a new texture. This does depend on the engine used but most engines do not stream textures unless necessary

[@Hardware_Neutral]

Wat.

[@impuls60]

Maybe thats why -notexturestreaming works in Steam launch options for Pubg removes some of the car stuttering. When using this command I saw the gpu memory usage go up so that was a proof that the old command still works. Atleast when I tested it a few months ago.

[@AquilaeYT]

So how do you explain that the CPU heat more and the 1% low getting worse ? You are wrong, you have the proof on the front of your eyes.

[@carlo1132]

Love my 12900k Omen 45l and my 14900k Omen 45l, the 12900k is a legend though!

[@godnamedtay]

Why tf do u have 2 omen 45L’s? Like yea the case has the cyro chamber thing and it’s kinda cool, but the rest of the case all around has completely garbage build quality, like I mean dog water trash. I get having 1 cuz I do too but 2? This is the worse waste of $ I’ve heard in a while.

[@robertlewis8608]

Whats fun with Cyberpunk 2077 is cranking the settings up like say DLAA + PT + FG + Max Crowds + Everything maxed out, turn film grain off, run at 3440x1440 head to dog town to the area with the secret agent bar and the tree that entire area is a .1-1% low/frametime killer at those settings.. This is why my 7800x3d sits there, as it has to access lots of assets, especially parts of a games database when things are cranked up, it starts to buckle on .1-1% lows. Its why I bring tha tup with the fanboys on social media bring up those settings show my 13900-14900k performance using faster ram with my 4090 at that resolution and exact settings. Well the fanboys get pretty quite and cannot keep at steady 6X-9X FPS with a Frametime of 8.X-17.Xms in that same exact area in Cyberpunk 2077. I am just like I told you, then they try to say DLAA+PT is overrated lol. I am like well it's a single player game, I didn't buy a 4090 to turn down my settings on single player games, I also won't use my 7800x3d because well it makes the game unplayable in spots with the same gpu, resolution and settings. FYI don't use the benchmark it's not accurate to gameplay like at all, there are more demanding spots in the game than that benchmark before Phantom Liberty. Go to that spot in the game I mentioned in Dog Town with the bar and the tree, start off at the balcony, facing the tree, then start from the balcony, walk down walk around the tree looking around, move your mouse rapidly, then do it again but sprinting also starting in the same spot. Yeah dude that benchmark for that game does not exactly reflect the more demanding spots in game, especially the new expansion area haha.

[@heyitsjel]

Great video showing the relevancy of 12th gen. The wife's system has a 12900k in it, while mine has a 13900k... both with the same GPU's. Honestly, in gaming - can't really say I notice any "actual" differences in performance/playability - although no doubt there's some frame rate improvements on my system. The 12900k was and still is a great CPU... if you own one, I honestly wouldn't even consider moving to a 13th or 14th... the slight improvements in memory speed and clock speeds on 13th/14th gen probably isn't worth it in a gaming scenario - spend the money on a better GPU instead, as the 12900k is still more than capable.

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Great video. Thanks for all of your work on this video.

[@crabbylabbe]

im just here for the kitty at the end

[@JayPBangz]

Hey man! Appreciate all the content. I go around talking about pc's all day. 😆 btw your hair cut looks nice like that

[@Aka_daka]

Still loving my 12900k

[@MaryannLynch-z9c]

same

[@tommypearson9260]

Thank you for saying this tech has gotten boring asfk and nothing can really give a better experience atm especially having a high refresh monitor. Basically everyone is maxed but thinking 5 fps is a difference maker 🤣🤣💀💀

[@FrameChasers]

This

[@saricubra2867]

I own a real 4:3 1440p CRT monitor, can do 60Hz 1440p or i push it to 85Hz or 75Hz for a lower res. If i do interlacing it's +140Hz. The problem with current monitors is the lack of BFI, they always look blurry in motion, LCDs at 165Hz, OLEDs at 240Hz, etc. They all look worse than my CRT at 60 and at 75Hz and beyond is like a natural motion blur on. Refresh rates alone are missleading, 60Hz on an LCD and OLED have nothing to do with a CRT or Plasma TV. Current QD OLED monitors are so overrated and overpriced by the lack of BFI alone. Only the Samsung S90C QD 4K OLED TV impressed me: 144Hz, has BFI, 1300 nits of brightness. Same colors as my 955DF Samsung 19inch CRT.

[@3wandjina]

My asrock pg itx is the best mb I've owned, and paired with 13900k no issues.

[@ChrisKadaver]

I got a 600 USD X670E motherboard for just 0.1 USD when a store accidentally changed the price, I placed an order and they realized the mistake after they had packed and sent it. I also got a 7800X3D a month ago for just 260 USD on a special sale. And this is with swedish taxes of 25% included. It's kind of insane deals. But if it wasn't for that, I'd gone with intel since I have stumbled upon in AMDipp with my Ryzen 5 5600X. I only play Quake Champions though and I think it will be sufficient for that even after the latest patch that like reduced performance by 50%.

[@lilililiililili6363]

amdip lol :D not a real thing btw even on this video you can see that it does not exist. (the 360 mouse whip test that caused his 12900k to crash twice lmfao)

[@gtijason7853]

I'm so good at competing that IO went out and bought an FX 6300 to give the boys a chance

[@brianlukas2868]

nice work jufes you show both pro's and con's of both, so your viewers can decide for themself's

[@hfn71]

Not all simracing... iRacing, which is probably most popular and competitive title does not favor AMD and often it's a situation of AMD higher average, intel better minimum. But this game also has very old DX11 engine and use only few threads, out of which probably only 1-2 do cpu rendering. Intel's high clocks and IPC do decent job there. But when it comes to titles on more modern engines (i.e. Assetto Corsa Competizione on Unreal), the 3D cache seems to make it better. There is also another story, where most of the most competitive simracers use triples or ultrawides (32:9) often using multiple viewports, so CPU gets an additional beeating and in this scenario nvidia GPUs steal the show with SMP (or SPS for VR) - it takes a lot of rendering load from CPU. With AMD GPUs you can't use that and CPU has to render 3 frames sepearately each time.

[@666Necropsy]

interesting

[@winonesoon9771]

I had the 5800x and my frame times bar was up n down. now with my 12900ks it's smooth as butter..... I play mostly Forza motorsport and that engine is sketchy. Also this was all in 4k no DLSS and honestly it's made all my games smooth it's crazy.... And...... My m.2 speeds have gotten way more consistent when transferring files or using 7zip.

[@AlienInSider]

7800x3d is slower with 6400 megatransfers than with 6000. The difference is not big, it's somewhere around 5 percent, but it's there. The Infiniti factory is running at a lower speed and this is causing the lag! However, it is especially noticeable if there is a large loading of textures, then the difference can reach 10% And about the 9950x, it will be a while before the software is ready for it to know how much better it is than the 7950x... However, a must clean install option like the x3d chips! Check out the recommendations! Otherwise, you risk losing almost 40 of the performance!

[@Kankipappa]

Hardware unboxed did some bencmarking recently with Ryzen chips and then noticed Win11 alone nerfs the AMD cpu performance around 6-10% if not running on Admin rights, this affects 7xxx and 9xxx series both. Talk about bad software support from Microsoft. I also agree on the Infinity fabric thing against 6400 vs 6000, if you go unsynced IF what is not 1:1, it's actually the reason he sees any dips (especially if he would subtiming tune the ram). But sadly it's never completely neutral testing, everyone has their favorites so these 'unknowns' usually give out these disparities.

[@AlienInSider]

@@Kankipappa they also asked if the admin account also affects other processors! Well, 5600G is not affected, I already tested. The entire series with Zen 3, which is with one chiplet is not affected, but with two... Look, I don't have an intel to monitor, maybe you will test!? I think I said something unpleasant about AMD and Windows!

[@AlienInSider]

@@Kankipappa Actually ALL 2 chiplets are affected through the admin account... Something you said, I'm an amd fan and have already had a chance to test. As it starts from the first series, to the day today, if it is with two chips, it loses performance...

[@kevinp2299]

@Frame Chasers I appreciate the unbiased. What are you bios settings for the 7800x3D? I have scalar 10x and -30 all core pbo with a 4080s and I'm pretty pleased.

[@ZacharyMorrison-j6w]

With my Amazon employee discount I can get a 12900k and z690 rog stripe itc combo for like $400 I'm thinking some 7600mhz patriot sticks for $125

[@Ataraxia95]

I grabbed a 12900ks for pretty cheap but I couldn't find a DDR5 moltherboard at the time so I grabbed a DDR4 and some 3600MHz RAM. How bad did I gimp my performance doing this ?

[@godnamedtay]

I mean the sweet spot for ddr5 right now is 6400….so do the math lol

[@valentin3186]

Sell 12700k bundles, tune ddr5 to 6800, optimize the cores and that's all. Still pretty capable cpu

[@blacksamuraisoffendme]

😭😭😭

[@cRuNkSB]

Simracing is the only reason I went with the 5800x3d even though I do not like AMD. It prolonged my system for a looong time. Paired with 2080s its still performing great in a 1080peee triple setup. Wanted to go all out on a new pc when the 5080 or 5090 is available but am considering just getting a new gfx card and calling it a day. Upgrading everything makes little to no sense since the 5800x3d seems pretty good for my specific needs and a new cpu/mobo/ram combo would get me only 10-20% more fps, hard pass

[@rhoadeswr1]

First off I want to say I love your content and you seem to be the only tech tuber out there trying to do the right thing. ie, just pushing a microcode update and being done with it like everyone else. So What do you suggest my I9-14900k be locked to? I’ve only had it for a couple of months and because I’ve been sitting on an oil rig for 2 months and I come back to all this shit. Damn WTH Intel! I saw you lock the cores on a KS and I really have no idea what the proper settings should be. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

[@FrameChasers]

It’s different for every cpu depending on VID, go to my website if you need further help

[@rhoadeswr1]

@@FrameChasers got it. I’ll do just that. Thank you Sir!

[@thaNZdon]

Thanks your efforts Jufes!! The man

[@simptrix007]

Nice, honest and objective video!

[@boastyy]

Any chance you could do a test of both AMD and Intel after changing to the admin elevated profile in windows and see what differences there are in the fps. Watched the latest video from Hardware unboxed with regards to the admin profile. Think it would be interesting to see the effect on fps and one percent lows on both Intel and AMD using this profile.😀

[@666Necropsy]

this video should do well. seems like something a lot of new buyers would compare.

[@MotoMedicine904]

Anytime I play on Urzikstan my 1%lows just shit the bed completely. My averages will be up in the 240’s and the low just drop to like 80 or even less sometimes. Can’t figure out what the hell is wrong but it’s literally ONLY that map. 7800x3d, 7900xtx, cl30 6000 The only thing I have done in the bios is updated it to the latest, enabled expo, -20 all core curve optimizer.

[@dimitry7182]

Do not use Curve Optimizer. It’ll be stable in 10 games and unstable in 20+. Leave the cpu stock, that’s the whole point of these x3D parts. That or your 7900xtx is acting up which won’t be anything new for AMD GPUs to not be playing well with Warzone. Obviously it’s way easier to turn off Curve Optimizer and test it than to buy a 4090 tho…

[@3phop960]

Mine is at custom offset -30 to -19 all stable 3 weeks long tested. I got 4080s and i cant tell in some specific cases the frametime goes way up while both GPU and CPU usage go down. It is still 90-110 fps reported but it feels like it's below 25. Maybe its the 'Gsync compatible' shit where it gets out of min framerate support for a moment then goes up again and back that makes is feel like shit. I know the difference between 240 frames and 140 and what the stutters are. If it was just 90 fps it wouldn't be an issue. My case it's physics particles and a lot of animations. Not the game you play.

[@Jonnykirk123]

Have you got SAM on? (smart access memory), that doesn't work on that map

[@MotoMedicine904]

@@Jonnykirk123 I’ve tried it both way and it barely makes a difference

[@MotoMedicine904]

@@dimitry7182 I’ll try without the CO, but I was having the exact same issue in that map on my 5800x3d and 4080S PC as well.

[@HotDogHunterX]

@FrameChasers If you decide to test on Windows 11, don't forget to enable the local Administrator User account for 9950X during your testing. Any idea why or what internal Windows processes are potentially affected by elevated privileges?

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Can I COMPETE!?!?

[@user-hq9fp8sm8f]

no

[@justmatt2655]

I'm curious, what issues have you had with the AMD platform?

[@FrameChasers]

5 minute Post times, NIC drops, USB USB4 ports slow down for no reason, PC will freeze when opening too many apps at once or moving windows around. Radeon igpu will blue screen the PC when Nvidia card installed. God I can’t even think of what else right now

[@FrameChasers]

But works fine for benchmarks and games, lol

[@justmatt2655]

@@FrameChasers good to know, thanks! Come to think of it im on an amd laptop right now and i have come across a couple of these problems already. I do think both cpu companies have their own individual problems that they need to sort out tho!

[@rowan6917]

Hey, I was curious if you could test some memory heavy games like Rust or Tarkov that are popular in the fps genre in addition to Call of Duty. I am curious how AMD's 3D cache performs in comparison to Intel's architecture. Just a thought for a future vid

[@FrameChasers]

@@rowan6917 already tested those long time ago, go back and check my videos on them

[@glalih]

Wouldnt shutting down E cores provide undervolt stability one way or the other. I honestly expected 6ghz + if E's are off.

[@kenobi639]

Not on Alderlake. 5.5ghz is the peak ive ever seen and thats with this 108 SP chip Jufes has

[@zach1860]

any thoughts on procedural gen games like no mans sky? would that run better on intel or amd? (at 4k - like all that stuff to load - would the 1% lows be better on either cpu?) thanks!

[@diamlierx]

I bought a 7800x3d this month only cause they raised the price of the 12900kS but intel in general is easier for me to deal with than all the AMD infinity fabric softener 3d glasses atm cash crap

[@Nerd-Freaki91]

frame chasers plz answer on this one. WHY DOES INTEL NOT MAKE 1-1 RATIO CPU'S ANYMORE LIKE THE I7 3770K ? i see no improvement from intel the last good cpu from them was i7 3770k because no delays in sync.

[@klogst]

Okay, I understand that the Ryzen processor is a bit better, but if we compare the prices it's ridiculous. I've seen the i9 12900KF on Amazon for $250, as opposed to the Ryzen which is around $510.

[@mfrfpv9079]

cool im still on the 12900k where does microcenter keep getting them?

[@jjlw2378]

Dragons Dogma 2, Remnant 2, Dying Light 2, Jedi Survivor, and many others can be CPU limited even at max settings 4k DLSS Quality.

[@jjlw2378]

I need those sweet sweet long distance LODs for zero pop in! Lol.

[@bias69]

you might get brain damaged from those garbage woke games

[@apostolispat5462]

Is I5-14500 5.0GHZ also affected by intel voltage problem? If not then some similar benchmarks would be interesting in my opinion . Thank you

[@AquilaeYT]

All 13th gen/14th gen that is above 65w have this issue.

[@godnamedtay]

@@AquilaeYTnot really true

[@godnamedtay]

No u have a locked processor, ur good, plus it’s an i5. Don’t listen to the comment above, they do what they are talking about

[@AquilaeYT]

​@@godnamedtay Excuse me naive casual ?, you don't know what you are talking about, pathetic troll, you literally contradicted all expert about this, even Steve from Hardware Unboxed say literally the same, they are less affected but all 65w are affected. That's symply how it is, now instead of coming to contradict me just because your mad to learn the truth, go take education lessons.

[@mikeh6286]

Excited about that 9950x video!

[@jrose-xp6tf]

This time my usual wait on new gen CPUs paid-off, I almost grabbed a 13900K right before the news broke...my 12900K and I are o.k. for a while...hopefully.

[@battlephenom8508]

Just set the voltage so Vcore and VIDs don't go above 1.4v and you'll be fine. My 13900KF is going strong for 20 months now OC'd to 5.8ghz and decimates both these CPU's. My Firestrike physics score: 60,392.

[@Vlerkies]

I'm sorry, there is always one 😁😁Im on a i9 12900k, 12gen 'allegedly' not affected, hmmm i have my doubts. My 12900k was rock solid, but over the last couple of months all the BSOD's that the 13/14th gen have suffered, I have experienced . I literally gave up troubleshooting and was about to buy a 14th gen setup. I have switched out gpus and memory but no go. Just random BSOD errors. My cpu has been rock solid for years, but now, even at stock, random crashes. Even upgraded to latest windows, still a lottery. Im not gaming, but more crunching video with Resolve or Topaz

[@T2NA]

was gonna say just throw a 7950x at it but resolve is just so much better on intel

[@radugrigoras]

Could be mobo, or ram. Not always CPU. Have you tried re-pasting?

[@gt1man931]

Ever since the story broke every last crash on anyone's PC will be intel's fault, even when 99.9% of them probably won't have anything to do with the CPU.

[@DingleBerryschnapps]

Brush up on your computer skills. You're the computer equivalent of a mechanic that doesn't know how to troubleshoot and just keeps replacing parts until they find the issue.

[@Vlerkies]

@@DingleBerryschnapps Thanks, the parts I replace/substitute are from my own stock and workbench (ram kits, psu's and gpus)

[@liamm8518]

Check your mouse input DPI, too high a setting will cause frame dips even in games that allegedly support raw mouse input, ie warzone and cod, that could have been the mouse movement behavior you were referring to

[@PvtRinzler]

Pooling rate is worse. Giving me a lot of micro stutterer with 4000 hz or higher.

[@liamm8518]

@@PvtRinzler thanks yah that was the word I was looking for, ik some games can’t handle over 1000 some don’t care and some hate 2000, so I just keep mine at 1

[@PvtRinzler]

@@liamm8518 was some difference in smoothness but it’s not worth the battery time and lag that occurs sometimes.

[@adriannasyraf3534]

can you explain the difference between offset voltage vs fixed voltage? i mean from which point does it offsets from? does the offset point changes with different max clock speed?

[@godnamedtay]

Google

[@adriannasyraf3534]

@@godnamedtay you try it. please never type stupid things on the internet

[@ReaperHackz]

W! video man.

[@MrBrutalFrosty]

My 12900k is still going strong still 300-400 fps on mw3 at 1440p with 7900xtx nitro not oc on the 12900k

[@yzonker]

I don't think you need the crazy high fps in sim racing. Inputs aren't that fast. I'm sure somebody will disagree though. Also Hogwarts and Jedi Survivor are very CPU demanding. Probably due to bad optimization, but nevertheless they are.

[@notlahaan]

btw im a hatewatcher but a lot of it is true lmao, probs getting a 13850HX ES modded to 1700 & pairing it w some nice a-die (13850HX is literally a better die than 13700K and it's like 200usd lmfao) sim racing actually interesting, there are ppl playing at like 720p to get as high fps as possible in forza horizon 5 (this is due to the game giving ever so slightly better times if you have higher fps), so for at least fh5, fps does matter a ton if you want to be at the top (this is coming from a guy who dropped 3000 hours in fh5 in one year and held 90%+ of WRs on OD non-meta) also imo you should bench games like Counter-Strike 2 & Valorant as well for fps games kek (and if you do, do 4:3 1280×960/1024×768/1440×1080)

[@mauinokaoi8747]

i more want to see if theres a difference in opening programs and encoding videos and daily task not just gaming

[@666Necropsy]

this is a gaming channel

[@simptrix007]

Check out Tech Notice he is channel about video editing benchmarks. There is no simple answer - it depends on your exact use case (codecs, resolution, GPU, editing SW). Opening programs is more about the storage speed.

[@nathanmccormack6549]

Good video, but i feel the x3d was not designed for win10, all the better updates are on win11 for it.

[@vh9network]

My 12900KS sits between the 13700K and the 14700K.

[@thetruthwillout810]

4k gaming with a 11600k with a 4090 can have all the heavy lifting done by the GPU CPU doesn't matter in that instance

[@DaRone1981]

Sold my 14900k and went back to my 12900kf it’s just not that serious.

[@gamingevolved760]

Hallo Rufus,from with version Aida64 you using ram test?

[@Blist_20xx]

My I5-9600kf still holding strong 💪🏻

[@TheBURBAN111]

opens warzone 100% usage.

[@winonesoon9771]

I sim race and I had a 5,800X and all my frames times were shit up and down up and down frame rates now that I switched to 12900KS everything is just smooth locked frames and I play in 4K......... No DLSS stuff I've never tried the 3D cash so I don't know but Intel has also fixed a lot of other problems I had

[@dixanshtiwari6003]

I have 13900k i cant compete i need 15900k asap. (i am bronze 5 i need to get to bronze 1)

[@direct34]

I got top 100 12th gen xtu on my normal daily max settings within safe static voltages. 😂 im never upgrading.

[@SlapGodKenTV]

Dude I went from 7800x3d. To 14900k.. back to 12900k. Now lets see if I can get this cod to stop crashing

[@godnamedtay]

Are u ok?

[@SlapGodKenTV]

@@godnamedtay NO. INTELS micro code caused this not me

[@godnamedtay]

@@SlapGodKenTVu could have prevented it if u know what ur doing…apparently not. Sucks

[@SlapGodKenTV]

@@godnamedtay well if I didn’t fight for your country I would have time to lock all my cores and set and adaptive offset voltage of 1.33 -0.025 to -0.045 depending on the probability that I would have a lucky draw in silicon. But sure you won’t catch anything since you still ha a 10900k.

[@godnamedtay]

@@SlapGodKenTV bruh miss me with that guilt trip bs. U a clown for that. lol that’s what u resort to? 0 respect my guy. I have 2 14700k’s, 13900k & 13600k tf u talkin about?

[@prashanthkrishanduth8521]

It's criminal your subscriber count is so low. It's a conspiracy at this point

[@FrameChasers]

You don’t get big selling the truth, you get big by selling comfort and anxiety in cycles

[@GQNERD]

32GB vs 64GB tho? I get the Intel is probably running higher freq, and the AMD is higher capacity, but would've been nice to test the same capacity and both OC'ed to the max on each respective platform. Good comp video otherwise

[@iceboy1170]

Why does 7800X3D dip less than previous videos?

[@AquilaeYT]

Yes lmao, weird weird.

[@ksouvenir5561]

According to this video 📼 do that mean the 5800x3D on DDR4 3600MHZ is already obsolete because of the 12900K on DDR5 8000MHZ?

[@chrissoucy1997]

AMD fanboys like to say how much faster the 7800X 3D is vs anything from Intel while in reality, if you know how to tune Intel and give the CPU some fast 7600+ low latency ram, it makes it really close or ahead of the 7800X 3D at times.

[@el_manosanta]

One of the worst years to buy hardware, hope the next is better

[@ZeroZingo]

Buuuut Jufes, what about 1440p? /s

[@Corontant]

Well done, handsome, I like your channel:))++

[@TODDzillaInLA]

Hey, that's my kitty @ 3 min 12 seconds in the video =)

[@MrChewy97]

Just got a $200 12900ks on FB marketplace, now I just need a new GPU

[@whoshotya117]

Why cant you tune an AMD chip to be even better?

[@Solrac-Siul]

there are 3 major issues , 1- silicon variance in the 7800x3d and/or the amd motherboards, and many cannot go beyond 7200 ddr5. Keep in mind that AMD recommends ddr5 6000 for it;s ddr5 cpus and so there has been limited incentive for motherboard manufacturer's to push amd board capable of handling 7200+. 2- 3dcache cpus normally have diminutive returns in regards ram overclock and in some cases can even lose performance as latency increases with ram speed, what can slow the transfer of data to the cache. As such generally 6400 or so is the sweet spot for x3d cache. with intel the sweet spot for ram is the fastest that can be achieved while stable. 3- the 12900K is a fully unlocked processor, what gives the user a considerable margin to tune and Overclock while the 7800x3d doesn't inherently support OC mode. You can still manually overclock the cpu but some care is necessary as overclocking generally increases temperatures and stacked x3d cache does not react well to heat , being the reason why AMD put some limits in regards manually tuning and overclocking.

[@Kankipappa]

@@Solrac-Siul You can still gain up really good low % framerates by tuning your RAM subtimings, and using -30 on curve optimizer usually means you can have 5050MHz all core boost on games more or less with less avg power usage. Plus on AMD side It's the RAM latency timings on defaults instead that give all the dips on the framerates on non-X3D chips, not total RAM speed as the Infinity Fabric can't follow that high. Using poor default RAM subtimings doesn't make the X3D chip immune to the low dips problem, it just happens less often due to bigger cache. So to have it somehow tuned, it's always best to at least get "bullzoid's default" ddr5 settings for cl30 6000MHz ram if nothing else. The curve optimizer also gives around 200-300MHz allcore boost on non gaming benchmarks, so it's nice to do it anyway.

[@thaddeus2447]

Just swapped my launch day 7950x to 7950X3D with no extra pay, reinstall windows installed chipset drivers, set bios to prefer cache. And still can't get more than 216fps average in far cry 6 FHD high benchmark. And thats with CO -30 on cache ccd. 7900xtx nitro and gskill 6000mhzcl30+buildzoid timings. Any tips ? how Framechasers got 245fps with his 7800x3D ??

[@FrameChasers]

I am an artist

[@thaddeus2447]

@@FrameChasers downgrading back to win 10 increased fps to 225, however still nowhere near your result. I am more convinced that you are wizard not an artist :) because your results are phenomenal.

[@RiotMoments]

@@thaddeus2447 disable smt. Set CPPC to prefer frenquency in BIOS and manually set ur game to the x3d cores and thank me later

[@thaddeus2447]

@@RiotMoments instead i just disabled ccd without cache and undervolted cpu, now i get same score as framechasers.

[@owConfidence]

Long time viewer of your channel. I was wondering which ram you used for Intel. I have a 14900k and want to upgrade to ddr5.

[@FrameChasers]

I use my own ram, but you can go on my website and fine the recommended parts list FrameChasers.org

[@owConfidence]

@@FrameChasersthank you for all you do for your community. Thank you again!

[@PiotrSzaajdewicz]

Maybe can u do video about cr1 lower speed vs cr2 higher?

[@Ivan007valla]

That means I have to dump my 14700k and get a 12900k? YIKES! At least I already have the asrock nova mobo

[@w9s992]

yes sell that junk 14700k

[@Ranzstulle]

Do you get kicked out the discord once you stop the monthly support?

[@alexburke4569]

no you just get very limited access to it.

[@xSKOOBSx]

Should throw 10900k into this comparison.

[@club4ghz]

12900K is also affected just put it at 1.55v

[@kenobi639]

Do not put your chip @ 1.55v tf?

[@XFXGX]

CPU’s degrade if you overvolt them? Wow shocking 😨

[@TheBURBAN111]

lmao 1.55v made me chuckle thats the issue.

[@PatrickH-u8w]

2024: 12900k is the way to go 😅😂😅😂😅😂

[@bsssddsssb2943]

I updated bios with microcode 0x129 and returned it back to Auto hah

[@weyo14]

12700k is the real deal. 8p cores is all you need

[@DingleBerryschnapps]

If you only game. 👍

[@mitsuhh]

@@DingleBerryschnapps Incorrect, 8 cores is all you need for most tasks on a PC

[@saricubra2867]

14900K has 36MB of L3 cache, the 12700K has 25MB and a 12900K has 30MB. Raptor Lake also has more L2.

[@blacksamuraisoffendme]

@@DingleBerryschnapps I use a dual core to work and game 8 cores is plenty

[@ARH0101]

Says a broke mf

[@jacooosthuizen3593]

im keen to see a 10900k even an old cpu but 20threaded :) and 11 series was useless.

[@Malinkadink]

Would have been nice to see power difference is the Ryzen part 100% more efficient?

[@toonnut1]

Nobody who games cares about power

[@saricubra2867]

He disabled the e-cores, of course the Ryzen 7 7800X3D is more power efficent, TSMC 5nm.

[@Malinkadink]

@@toonnut1 Mighty foolish of you to presume everyone who games doesn't care about power. In the winter I might not care about power, in the summer I definitely care about power.

[@toonnut1]

@Malinkadink people spend thousands on a gaming pc. I'm confident they'll be able to afford to run it.

[@Malinkadink]

@@toonnut1 bro its not about running costs, its about the massive heat dump running these things for hours causes. My 200 watt PS5 will heat my room to 80F from 75F in a span of a couple hours. In the winter it doesn't matter since I can crack open the window, in the summer I have to blast AC which actually costs significantly more to run as far as electricity cost goes than a PC or console.

[@P5YKOTIK1870]

AMD is the "section 8" of PC building/gaming

[@joshhernandez8680]

LOCK YOUR VOLTAGES!!! Hey jufus, why is my chip spiking to 1.65v and i see oxidation degradation and smoke coming off my chip.. lol.. the PCMASTERACE has gottin soft.. listen to this song...(Kickboxer - Streets Of Siam)

[@mateoharmiss5830]

So when he reviewed the asrock nova he got it stable at 7200 so now he got the cheaper lighting at 8000, like how does that make sense ?

[@FrameChasers]

Nova is 7600, lightning is 8400

[@mateoharmiss5830]

@@FrameChasers so why buy the expensive when the cheaper gives you more these companies need to get there game in check. Thanks you for for work you do

[@yoltsbp]

Idk how good my chip is because I’ve only had one since launch but my 13900k is running all p cores locked at 5.9ghz with 1.35v locked so it won’t pull more voltage than that and all e cores locked at 4.6ghz with 1.3v. Been this way since launch and haven’t had any crashes or issues.

[@gildfps]

P cores and E cores are on the same voltage rail my man

[@toonnut1]

I've never had any problems with my 13900kf from pre-order

[@FOTON_FOREVER]

ROTCC Return Of The CHONKY Cat :D

[@cloVerSolo]

wow, a god bin, so much fun.

[@robertfarmer6316]

Jufes I don’t care what everyone else says, you’re alright man!

[@SamuelWorkman-f5r]

i AM PLATING WITH MY 12900 AND MY 7800XT ..Do not know if I am competing but I am getting my ass kicked still .