7mm Rem Mag beats 7mm PRC (Part 1)

[@Paul-q3m7k]

At the end of the day ..these are all great carriages . I’m sure happy to see the 7wsm getting some recognition. It’s a great cartridge and the good old 7mag is very relevant in the right rifles . Unreal

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Can't go wrong with any of them!

[@foonus406]

Really goes to show you what a 26 inch barrel can do. These manufacturers need to take note. You can go out and buy a $5000 6lb carbon fiber 7PRC with a 20 inch barrel and it will leave so much powder unburnt you will be forced to use a faster powder, along with sacrificing up to 150FPS, but you still get to eat the recoil of that light platform... yet they sell these for 5K and they are hard to keep in stock! Thanks for the video!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for your comment!

[@CoorsMan264]

I'm one of those people haha. Always trying to go shorter on the barrels. Weight savings and I'm running suppressed.

[@foonus406]

@@CoorsMan264 As a Canadian, that's not a concern we are allowed to have. Ultimate irony is if you drive to the range with no muffler they will give you a ticket.. put a muffler on your firearm they will give you up to 10 years. BUT.. you are allowed to put a brake on there to make it louder. Anything to make it more inconvenient (in this case physically painful) to the firearms community to try and persuade them to give it up...

[@charlessmith4242]

* Ya, the manufacturers make a high B.C. bullet for better ballistic performance down range, then they handicap that performance by putting short barrels on their guns. But, they have got all kinds of reasons to justify their lack of common sense, IMO.

[@ChronicalsofAl]

Or 28"

[@CastIeBravo]

Told you. I was spot on in my comment to your short about this. I reloaded and shot the 7RM for almost twenty years. It is a phenomenal cartridge, and its abilities far surpass anything offered in a factory loading. The only reason I migrated to the 300WM was a larger bullet pool in .308 projectiles. As I’ve stated before, the PRC doesn’t offer enough (in my opinion) to switch platforms. You can absolutely get 3000 out of a 7RM, and accuracy can be obtained fairly cheaply. Far cheaper than a new rifle in 7PRC. Good job, Austin!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for your comment!

[@ChronicalsofAl]

When I finished the video I went to look at my 7mag and if I had any room to spare. I've got an older Tikka 658M and didn't know if the M denoted Magnum or Medium action. Long story short - I may be moving DOWN to the 7mag if I can get those 195 Bergers to stabilize instead of shooting 212 grainers out of my 300 RUM. It's an older BDL SS 700 and it's very accurate at around 3100. Are those EOL Bergers?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@ChronicalsofAl Yes

[@Eric--zs6um]

I prefer the 7mm Mag. I'm not a bandwagon jumpers with all these new cartridges. Gd stuff

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching

[@jakeb2234]

My 7 mm ultra mag shoots that same load at 3125 and it shoot half moa. No signs of pressure probably could push it over 3200 fps. Love your channel man!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

There is always a faster better cartridge. Thanks for sharing

[@theprfesssor]

What barrel length you got

[@jakeb2234]

@@theprfesssor26 inch barrel

[@thebryguy96]

To get a 195 berger to 2950-3000 fps with a 7mm rem mag or a 7 prc will require very strong premium brass as pressures will be over 70k psi if not substantially higher. Saami max is usually 60 to 62k which is the max that most factory loads are at. For people wanting to shoot a 195 bullet out of a 7mm cartridge, a 7 stw, 28 nosler or wildcats like a 7-300 prc or 7-300 norma are the most logical choices, burning 75 to 85 grains of powder. There are very few instances when a shooter needs more than a 175 or 180 grain bullet in a 7mm rem or 7 prc unless its to bang steel at 1000 plus yards. These cases are just not burning enough powder to justify a 195 at reasonable pressures. N570 is a great powder for overbored or heavy for caliber bullets. Thanks again for the vid.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I agree... Thanks for commenting and watching!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@MTCKIE68 There you go thumping your chest with factory ammo again.

[@falba1492]

Browning is increasing the twist rates on several traditional cartridges, as well as providing longer throats and magazines. Ron Spomer mentioned he had gotten the news at ShotShow several months back. Turns out they are going to bring some of these traditional cartridges into the 21st Century. At the time they were planning on doing the 270 Winchester, 243 Winchester, 7 mm Remington Magnum, and possibly the 300 Winchester. If you ask me, they have Hornady in their crosshairs. This move would make some of Hornady’s latest cartridges irrelevant.

[@nmelkhunter1]

Fun, and more to the point, it proves how far hype can take something that isn't all it's cracked up to be.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for commenting!

[@SteveM0732]

Hornady has a podcast around here somewhere where they talk about the design of the 7 PRC. The idea was to have a SAAMI off the shelf cartridge and riflle with performance akin to these custom chambered, long magazined, fast twist 7mm Rem Mag rifles. You proved the point by finding a 7mm Rem Mag rifle with longer than typical magazine and an 8" twist instead of the SAAMI 9.5" twist. Yes, there are some factory 7mm REM Mag rifles out there with faster twists, longer magazines, and probably even with modified chambers, but there is no consistency between manufacturers and no guarantee that any other off the shelf 26" barreled 7mm Rem Mag could do what you just did. I don't recall Hornady ever saying that a design goal was to match or beat 7mm Rem Mag in velocity in a rifles and loadings, only that it would be similar on average. I'm not sure when velocity became the only metric by which we measure a cartridge by.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Hornady designed the 7mm PRC with one powder... RL-26. Why did they do that? Because they wanted it to be faster and "better" than the 7mm Rem mag and the 6.8 Western. Kind of a bad move on Hornady... seeing how they can't get RL-26 anymore. Now their factory ammo is only going 2800-2850 FPS. As a reloader I do focus on velocity as a big metric. As long as the gun isn't a lemon I can get any cartridge to shoot extremely well. So how do I differentiate? Velocity. There is nothing wrong with the 7mm PRC, it's a good cartridge...

[@alfredsturdivnat9267]

@@ReloadingWeatherby Have you tried 7mm PRC with Federal Terminal Ascent 175 gr, Federal ELD X 175 gr? My understanding is the Federal loads produce the Hornady advertised velocities with the appropriate barrel length. Also, how do the 7 rem mags' chamber tolerances compare to that of the 7 PRC? The theory is the tighter tolerances of the PRCs and the 6.8 Western produce better accuracy.

[@HRMAKRGT]

Reloading weatherby bringing the heat as usual! Excellent vid!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks

[@anamericanpatriot5230]

Manufacturers create new stuff to stay in business and generate income off those that chase shiny objects

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I'm fine with innovation. Fun to see the old cartridges still shine

[@johnm.515]

Racoons and shiny spoons

[@IR8GRANDSRT8]

Oh no! A manufacturer made something new some people are offended by people buying! What shall we dooooo???? 😮😂

[@quarterminutemagnums]

Exactly.........and that is fine IF you are aware of that!

[@eduardoolaechea]

140 grain nosler ballistic tip is a fine hunting load for that 7mm rem mag. Wouldn't change it for a heavier one.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I don't think he will

[@paulmeek7964]

I used that same load for years and trust me when I tell you it’s a whitetail nightmare. Lucky if they went 10 feet.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Glad browning changed their mags to accommodate longer bullet/ longer c.o.a.l.

[@quarterminutemagnums]

Agreed..........

[@patrick.gomezgomez7269]

Nice to see Browning updating the 7mm Rem Mag with faster barrel twists and throating for modern bullets . And increasing magazine space as well . Other manufacturers need to do the same . And this should include all calibers , most will benefit with faster twist rates and extended magazines with the latest bullets .

[@fbwguy]

That’s the same Browning XBolt rifle I own! Super accurate with with hand loads. It will do everything the PRC will do. I have not tried the 195 Bergers yet, but will be trying them soon

[@jamessammann9183]

I like both 7mm but my fav is 7mmprc..i shoot 2k once a week. Really like the small groups

[@WayneGent-t2l]

Did some 7 rem mag for first time few weeks ago. Was shooting 150 gn nosler BT under n165 and getting 3000 but can't go up in powder more it's a fun cartridge to load for

[@no_regerts5176]

I shoot the 160gr Partition at 3000 with RL26. I live under a temp stable area where it doesn’t get hot or cold.

[@WayneGent-t2l]

@@no_regerts5176 ya that's nice I am in North Carolina very hot summer but is what it is. At least when I work up loads in summer won't have to worry about pressure when it cools down thanks love the channel

[@WayneGent-t2l]

I live in North Carolina it's pretty hot humid this time of year.

[@Accuracy1st]

I remember watching Steve Hornady specifically say the PRC lineup is not the fastest, not the loudest, not kicka$$ velocity or blowing doors off with power, rather, their lineup tweaked similar existing cartridges for accuracy and efficiency and to challenge any other cartridge to outperform, where performance is not just velocity. The premise of the 7PRC was to create a more efficient and performance oriented cartridge, not to push the limits of muzzle velocity but to achieve pushing a long for caliber bullet like the 175 ELDX to 3000fps in a 22 to 24" barrel. They reached their goal when they had Reloder 26 powder. Federal ELDX ammo also clocks at 3000fps in 24" barrels, mine anyway.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Do you feel the 7mm Rem mag is not efficient and accurate? If you want speed... get a 28 Nosler.

[@Accuracy1st]

@@ReloadingWeatherby Don't feel that way at all. Love all of my 7RemMags. They all shoot extremely well. But I think it is reasonable to say it is less efficient than a 7WSM or 7PRC. To what margin? Dunno, don't care. But I did think it was a little odd when I took my parts to my builder to make a 280AI for me and he kinda bashed the 7RemMag saying it's such an inefficient cartridge (he's a huge 280AI fan). Actually I think his words were 'it's such a horribly inefficient cartridge." I have had a ton of success with mine so I just shrugged my shoulders and blew it off. 7RemMag will always be one of my favorites. It's the first cartridge I got 1 hole groups with and then with my 2nd rifle, same thing, with Berger bullets.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@Accuracy1st I don't think the 7mm Rem mag is very efficient... and I think the 7mm PRC is just as bad. I do think 280AI is efficient. Once you get bigger than a 30-06 type case... it's pay to play

[@ChiquitaSpeaks]

@@ReloadingWeatherby I still don’t get why/how these cartridges w less square modern case designs are ‘more’ efficient…?

[@ChiquitaSpeaks]

I still don’t get why other cartridges are seeming to do better with most of the conventional powders and only this seven PRC is only performing with the reloader 26 even though it has large enough case capacity and efficient enough design… Seems to be some kind of oddball out… Have any ideas why?

[@Possum3v]

Thanks to your vids I’m considering a seekins havak ph2 7 rem mag. They also come in 1:8 twist right out of the box. Keep putting out good content and I’ll keep watching

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Do it

[@lgordee6mm]

Good Video. I would like to add a few points to watch for with regards to pressure signs. Craters in the primer can be caused by too much clearance between the firing pin and the surrounding walls of the bolt. Therefor in some rifles, craters are not indicative of over pressure. When checking for pressure signs it is important to measure the case diameter just above where the solid bottom of the case is. Most recommend to take that measurement at .200" above the bottom of the case. Measuring this dimension cannot be done with a digital caliper. This requires a quality 0 to 1" micrometer and proper technique to achieve an accurate measurement. Over pressure will cause the case diameter to grow in that area. Extreme over pressure signs often show ejector marks on the brass and hard bolt lift. Immediately stop and lower your charge weight if either of these two signs occur. The 7 Rem Mag is often criticized because of the belted case. IMHO the belted case is not a negative so long as the reloader understands headspace and how to adjust your full length sizing die correctly. I haven't searched KZbin for a video on this procedure but I would guess there are several available.

[@quarterminutemagnums]

Dear Sir - thanks for the mention.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thank you for watching and I really enjoy your content

[@quarterminutemagnums]

@@ReloadingWeatherby Dear Sir - thank you. Contact me.......

[@jasonharmon4314]

My hells canyon long range likes it at 2975, it shoots crazy accurate

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Nice!

[@orr89rocz]

3000 with a 195 in a prc is mighty impressive. Seems hot. My 28 nosler with 28” goes 3130. Hard to believe a prc is that close without being well over pressure and that it barely gets 180s to 3000 like it was designed at factory verified max pressures

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Oh... the PRC load is over pressure. And most likely the 7mm Rem mag load is over pressure as well

[@keithbelz2346]

@@ReloadingWeatherby you need to start measuring case head expansion it will tell you just what your rifle can and can't take,,once you stretch the head 0.0005 you are in the danger zone

[@elijahross3792]

I’m the one who challenged this. I’ll gladly send photos to prove no pressure signs whatsoever. And I’m 3 grains under bergers book max.

[@orr89rocz]

@@elijahross3792 berger gets its data from quickload mostly and i always found it very conservative. 3 grains under their max does not sound right to me in my experience. Usually their max is my min for several rounds i have been loading for. But every gun is different i guess. You must have a fast barrel! Thats good! Thats definitely a performer

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@elijahross3792 According to GRT you are at 70k PSI to hit 3000 FPS. Don't feel bad... my friends 7mm Rem mag is at 69k PSI

[@EricChmelarsky]

Nice to see Browning built the rifle correctly. Long throat, long magazine box and a 26" barrel. Remington is offering their SPS stainless model with 1-8 twist, 26" also. Got me thinking of getting one 🤔 now. Why they build 7 PRC with a 24" tube is beyond me.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Because Hornady advertised you could get great velocities with a 24 inch barrel

[@stevebell2690]

Awesome! please try to get your hands on a 7mm weatherby mag. A little more capacity than the rem mag. Older twist rates will hurt it. Part 2 will be interesting. Enjoying your content keep up the good work!

[@theprfesssor]

Pretty cool I'm now KZbin famous even cooler that this was the 1st QMM video I've seen I shall be eagerly anticipating part 2, I will say nice rifle seeing a magnum cartridge getting the barrel length it needs to cook

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Your username will now live on the Internet forever...

[@texpatriot8462]

You did a great job with the recoil with no brake or can.

[@44hawk28]

In response to the one comment where he states that he likes the 7 PRC because it doesn't have a belt on it. The belt is precisely why the 7mm mag is such an accurate cartridge. When the cartridge head spaces on the Belt it actually holds the cartridge in the center of the chamber. It can't be pushed to the side by the extractor it can't be pushed to the top or lay on the bottom and misalign the bullet to the bore.

[@kevinmoglia3030]

That’s all well and good guys but that’s only half the battle. Now the real fun stuff begins with stabilizing all that velocity. Finding the amount of powder, different types of primers and O.A.L that the barrel likes is the hardest part of the process. The amount of different combinations those variables can configure you might not find the accuracy node your looking for. Good luck tho.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Now for the real fun to begin

[@no_regerts5176]

Sounds too hard, just sell all your guns because it’s so difficult and insurmountable to develop a halfway decent load.

[@camwinston5248]

​@@no_regerts5176..and you would be more than happy to help him out and take them off his hands right ?😉🤣🤣🤣

[@williamdiamond5400]

Awesome job keep up the great work!!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks

[@cjberan]

I didn’t realize the 7mm had that much more powder capacity thanks!

[@rogerf7265]

I get 2970 with a 175 grain Partition out of my 24" barrelled Savage 110 with a load of 62.5 gr. of RL22. It is very accurate and quite effective on Elk.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Nice

[@Westerner_]

I like that they created a modern version of a 7mm magnum, if I was looking for a new rifle or a rebarrel I’d consider it. Otherwise there’s no reason to sell your rem mag and get one.

[@hopefulballistics]

Very nice handload

[@alexlampley133]

I built my 7prc with a 26” barrel and man I get some really great speeds. I’ll never go back to a belted case

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Nice

[@ChiquitaSpeaks]

What kind of barrel, I’m just trying to keep note of faster vs slower barrels…or maybe it’s the style of rifling and u can mention what kind u got?

[@alexlampley133]

@@ChiquitaSpeaksOregon Mountain Rifle Co carbon wrapped

[@alexlampley133]

@@ChiquitaSpeaks Oregon Mountain Rifle Co. 1:8 twist

[@nathanadams8207]

I will never understand why the 7 wsm dropped off the map.

[@keithbelz2346]

@@nathanadams8207 because they stole the wsm case design from a guy that had it pattern with the pattern department and had to pay him royalty for all the rifles and ammunition so they never pushed the wsm line as what they really where and what they could do,,look at the case on any of them they all have fat short steep shoulders and are a accurate case design from heaven if it wasn't for that they would be more popular and people would never had invited a PRC cause any wsm is better than a PRC will ever be

[@darwinligtenberg7205]

Factory loads in my “dead” 7 wsm beats both of these!!

[@markcox2870]

No ammo available - a had a 300 WSM - no ammo either.

[@zacharyfelkel7924]

Shooters Choice has some factory stuff if you go to their website, might be some in stock.

[@quarterminutemagnums]

Brass availability................

[@sekaf4125]

very cool video. Ive had the 7mm Mag for 55 years. Love that rifle. Very pretty what state did you shoot in?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching.

[@KS-hj6xn]

Interesting. I could hear the difference filling the cases with water. 7mm held just a pinch more. Lol awesome. First time ive seen the case volume measured by water.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching

[@roryrohrer7640]

I got 3000fps with 195s in my 7mag with a krieger 1-8 barrel 27.5" long over 68-69gr RL26 on a 65 degree day with virgin brass no pressure signs. I backed it off to find accuracy and to save the brass( because I know it was high pressure even though it didn't show signs) down to 2890. My best load that has performed perfectly out to a mile is 180eldm over RL26 at 2990fps.

[@RT-gv6us]

Great video. Will be following this closely. The 7mm Rem Mag is no slouch even when compared to more modern technology cartridges. Also, I have had the bug for a 7mm WSM for a while now. This video will only add fuel to that fire. Brass is out there if you know where to look.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for commenting

[@mikekeretzman4757]

You on this controversy this week. As I have stated in other videos on this subject, the 7mm PRC is more comparable to the 280 AI.

[@jasonacosta3860]

If the 7wsm wouldn't have fallen out of favor, it would be a major contender in the 7 mag category. That being said 7 rem mag is still the king

[@IR8GRANDSRT8]

I love seeing Browning making a 1-8 twist. It just helps stoke the armchair debates which is 87.987% of hunting camp arguments, the rest is who’s doing the dishes!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Remington, Fierce, Ruger, Weatherby and Christensen all make faster twist 7 mag rifles

[@IR8GRANDSRT8]

@@ReloadingWeatherby indeed, but I’d only buy a Browning or Weatherby.

[@Looscannon94]

Just goes to show that with enough tweaking of a gun/cartridge, the old stuff can still compete. Although if im going to do that much custom work im going to do a 7-300 PRC instead lol

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I mean... we didn't do any tweaking. But yeah 7mm 300 PRC would be better.

[@Looscannon94]

@@ReloadingWeatherby I'll admit I made that comment before I even finished the video lmao. Nice that Browning is offering a fast twist 7mm Rem Mag. I'm not sure if anyone else is doing the same. Previously the only way you could do it is with a custom barrel.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@Looscannon94 Browning, Fierce, Christensen, Weatherby and Remington to name a few.

[@chriswigington1572]

So I’m curious, why do some ppl not like the belted magnum cartridge? I’ve never had any kind of issue with them.

[@hugtango]

Quality content !! "Old school" wins..... well no so old cartridge though 😉 I own a 7mm-08, 7mm rem mag, 9.3x62 and was thinking about either a 7 RSAUM or a 7 WSM 28" barrel for a custom 1 mile and more rifle. Looking forward to seeing your tests

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching!

[@hugtango]

​@ReloadingWeatherby thanks for putting together this kind of video. It's really helping us to cut through the marketing and make informed choices.

[@keithbelz2346]

@@hugtango stay away from the 7mm wsm factory ammo is so hard to find and is very expensive,as for handload good luck finding brass ever, now will it shoot and is it awesome yes and yes, I know I have two of them in win model 70 26 inch pipe and they run incredible both hold sub .250 at 100 on the bench,and I feed them ttsx 120 gr at well over 3400 fps if I said the real chronograph number you think I was full of shit

[@hugtango]

@@keithbelz2346 I was hoping I could do something with that 7WSM, disapointed to read that it is a tack driver 😆😅 but that it is impossible the find the reloading components I will need. What about the 7 RSAUM ?

[@keithbelz2346]

@@hugtango I do not own one of those and I have never shot one of those if you can get brass then I would think you would be finely you can occasionally find wsm brass In 7mm wsm but it is expensive the 270 300 and 325 you can find brass for them the 325 being a bit harder to find brass for

[@gonepostal9101]

But what are the numbers down range? Velocity? Bullet drop? Isn’t that where the newfangled cartridges like the PRC’s and Creeds are supposed to shine?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Wait... are you being serious?

[@gonepostal9101]

@@ReloadingWeatherby not really, but that’s what my 6.5 CR buddies like to tell me. Lolol

[@ozark_trapper]

I have my eye on a Xbolt 7mm mag like that one. I have almost same exact model in 280AI. Mine has a 1@8 twist 26-inch barrel.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Nice

[@Matt-en1kn]

You will not regret getting an x bolt have had many and they never disappoint

[@edwardabrams4972]

If you noticed how accurate the 7 rem mag was in the KZbin chanel 1/4 min mile magnum that it was a belted magnum so I guess there goes the ideal that belted magnums can be accurate😳

[@markcox2870]

This is really interesting brother. I am a die hard 7MM Accumark + Weatherby Ammo guy. How do you think all of these stack up against the 7mm STW and the 7mm RUM?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

7mm STW has 150-200 FPS over 7 mag. 7mm RUM has 300 FPS on 7 mag

[@markcox2870]

@@ReloadingWeatherby Thanks man I’ve never shot either one. My cousin in ND swears by the STW. I’ve never even seen a RUM.

[@mmorris6341]

From how you show that load “fit in the mag” it actually looks like it won’t fit. Why not actually put the load into the mag and even cycle a few rounds from the mag?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

lol

[@mmorris6341]

@@ReloadingWeatherby you show yourself putting a round in the mag but measuring that round and directly putting into the magazine would be much more impactful. I’m not saying you can’t, I am saying every video you do has an important component missing and suspect camera work. It’s not hard to actually measure round straight to mag, then cycle through rifle. Not one of those seemed to actually be loaded from the magazine while your camera work made it seem as they were.

[@jameswilson5562]

That lil short mag was smoking

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

It was... unfortunately it was over pressure

[@jameswilson5562]

@ReloadingWeatherby still a great video good job

[@kawicepticon8866]

I watched that vid as well. Thanks for this video !

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks

[@Stewart7516]

😂 the thumbnail beating the dead horse.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

It's making fun of me for talking about the 7mm PRC again...

[@Stewart7516]

@@ReloadingWeatherby it's hilarious is what it is

[@darinsitko998]

I'll take accuracy over muzzle velocity any day when we're talking 150fps.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Plan is to get both

[@darinsitko998]

@@ReloadingWeatherby not sure if 3000fps through 24" barrel and sub moa is achievable with 7prc....but more power to ya! Thanks for the content.

[@johncreech9085]

I want to see some groups...Impressive though. Sold my 28 Nosler bc it was a powder pig and expensive. Bought a 7mm PRC, now going to a 280 AI bc its so dange efficient, and deer won't know the difference.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Video of groups come out tomorrow

[@tacticalmattfoley]

Very interesting. Why take a swipe at customizing? An Ackley Improved chamber would be biggest bang for the buck you could have for example. 243AI or 22-250AI would be so much fun.....

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I have zero issues with a custom gun. Just wanted to show what a factory rifle in 7 mag can do

[@tacticalmattfoley]

@@ReloadingWeatherby Misunderstanding...I was referring to the comment made by someone at the beginning of the video. It seems people forget how old some of these designs are..and how new some of these bullet designs are....so, adjustments/customizations to twist rates, seating depth and such are warranted. This aspect triggers my "tism". LOL....

[@longbellycaster]

N570 is an excellent magnum powder.

[@scottscheuerman8714]

I got over 3200 fps with my 7mm stw and 150 grain bullets and I believe it was with reloader 22 powder but that day what really surprised me was my 300 ultra magnum was getting 3555 FPS with 165 grain bullets with reloader 25 and wasn’t even a maximum charge of power

[@KS-hj6xn]

"Second extinction of the dinosaurs." 🤣lol Reccomended movie: The Last Dinosaur. Richard Boone.. (AKA Paladin).

[@ratdaddy7774]

I can't say this surprises me, 7 mm PCR along with many of the new shiny man bun cartridges are nothing more than an answers to questions no one ever ask😮

[@jam5287]

With the exception of the 300 PRC. That thing is a beast. It’s a better 300 win mag for sure. But the same can’t be said for the 7 PRC compared to the 7 mag.

[@Accuracy1st]

If you take a 7PRC, 7RemMag, 7WSM, 7-300WinMag, handload for all the same bullet as fast as you can get it with whatever powder you need, all have a 26" barrel, and you have one that is definitely faster than the next down to the slowest one and there's a 40fps spread from #1 to #2 and so on down to the slowest (160fps slower than the fastest), it's fair to say faster beats slower. But lets say the slowest one shoots quarter min with insane frequency where the 3 that are faster shoot 1.5MOA with less than ideal ES/SD but that quarter minute rifle has single digit ES/SD. Which one do you prefer? I'm taking the snail - the turtle, the one lacking the most at the muzzle. Of course we all want the fastest to be the most accurate though.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

So.... 7 WSM is the winner?

[@Accuracy1st]

@@ReloadingWeatherby For me, for hunting, the winner is whatever rifle shoots best in all aspects regardless of cartridge, even if it is the slowest. If I bought a few 7RemMags, 7PRCs, 280AIs, 7WSMs, tested them all to the best of my ability and some just didn't meet my expectations, they will either be sold or possibly converted to a spec build. Lets say I had a string of bad luck in terms of reliable, repeatable accuracy with 2 of 3 rifles, a 7PRC, 7RemMag, and a 280AI with the 280AI being overly impressive and I have an elk tag. The 280AI is going on that hunt as primary.

[@michaelnelson1911]

Wow, that makes my day. No need for a PRC if you already have a 7mm that shoots good. Great video. Thanks for sharing. What was the BC for the bullet that you were loading? Good luck on the accuracy testing. I am looking forward to that video.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching! The G1 B.C. is .755

[@userJohnSmith]

IF you have the larger mag so you can load it long. It will also burn the crap out of your barrel, when compared to more modern designs. Also, taming the reloading considerations are less complicated for the PRC. I have no dog in this fight, but this isn't exactly clear cut.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@userJohnSmith Let me get this straight... the longer throat or free bore only negatively effects the older 7mm Rem mag and somehow the longer throat in the 7mm PRC isn't a problem? Taming the reloading considerations are less complicated? What does that even mean? Are you trying to say the 7mm PRC is easier to load for?

[@userJohnSmith]

@@ReloadingWeatherby You have fewer, or at least more traditional datums to worry about, so yes it is, technically easier to load for. Obviously it's just a learning curve and a short one but simpler is always better. And yes the PRC is more efficient because the combustion chamber is better suited to long barrel life. The fact that the 7mag is burning more powder to get where it's going doesn't help. The differences are minor and so are the velocity benefits. Your perfectly fine either way.

[@ChronicalsofAl]

I thought that is what you are supposed to be getting with the new prc's - a match grade chamber and barrel so anything goes for what qmm brings for 7 Mag!

[@paulmacghee5721]

This is like comparing the .340 WM to the .338 Lapua 😅

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

They are very similar

[@PastorinoFarms]

Yep. Time to buy some N570.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

shh... It's really not good powder.

[@brendonstevens7590]

You should do this same comparison between the 6.5 needsmore and the 260 rem you will be able to hear way off in the distance man buns and tears hitting the ground

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Sorry... I have a no 6.5mm policy

[@mattcomchoc2957]

None of Hornady's recent stuff has actually been good. They used to do stuff that really improved the shooting world, like leverrevolution loads, and their quick change reloading dies. Now they just make stuff that's inferior to other designs, and use the marketing budget to bury the competition. 6.8 Western > 7mm PRC, 6mm MAX > 6mm ARC.

[@HazardousRob]

Hornady didn't bury the 6.8western. Winchester abandoned it

[@ronlowney4700]

🕵‍♂️ What You Should Be Able To "Conclude" With Quarter Minute Magnums Video is ACCURACY is Mostly About The Barrel and Not The Chamber (Even Though a Custom Rifle Chamber Can Often Improve Your Accuracy)! In The Case of The 7mm prc Having a Higher Pressure Rating vs. The 7mm Remington Magnum Having a Slightly Larger Powder Capacity, Actually VELOCITIES Will Still Come Down To The Individual Barrel! That is WHY a QUALITY BARREL is So Important - For Both ACCURACY and VELOCITY! 🤑

[@TechDregs]

Didn't your GRT show that you were probably 5% over max pressure for 7RM though? If you're willing to go beyond SAAMI specs, then all kinds of things become possible. Curious on the brass. Were those both fired/sized cases or new for the capacity measurements?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

We were under 65,000 PSI. Both of the brass were FL resized.

[@TechDregs]

@@ReloadingWeatherby Yeah, but SAAMI max for 7RM is 61kpsi.

[@sethl1746]

I’m more interested in that 7wsm! Pretty impressive from a 24”

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Yep

[@sethl1746]

@@ReloadingWeatherby is that wsm fitting in a short action with that long of a bullet?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@sethl1746 Nope. Had to single feed

[@chriscunnane7596]

WHY would you quit the 7mag

[@AP-ow5vu]

You're hardly beating a dead horse, horses are fast, this is like beating a three legged donkey.

[@xforce708]

And there’s always the 28 Nosler

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Yep

[@quarterminutemagnums]

Built properly, the 28 Nosler is impressive.

[@terrycalvert7812]

Did u run the 7 mag right at the lands or did you back away from them

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

20 thou off

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

Pretty interesting 🤔 speeds with the HEAVIEST 7mm bullet out there. Just as fast or faster than my 270 Win using 130 grain Nosler BTs and 53 grain of IMR 4350. Part of me wants to go with a 7 RM because I know that factory ammo is available everywhere vs the 7 PRC. But I also want a left handed rifle that I can suppress and 7PRC is efficient enough for use in a threaded 22 in barrel. So practically a coin flip for me.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

You will lose a lot of velocity with a 22 inch barrel in any magnum. But if you don't care... go for it.

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

@@ReloadingWeatherby I know. I just don’t want an antenna above my head when I finally do get a suppressor. But I will be dealing with that on my 300 WSM in the Savage M110 Long Range Hunter after having to cut the malfunctioning “adjustable” brake and have it threaded and a side port brake put on. I wouldn’t go below 24 in for a 7mm REM Mag. I noticed most of the Weatherby cartridge rifles have 26 in plus barrels.

[@fredbartlett4394]

I love the 155 terminal ascent in my 7mm s20 sako, at 3100 fps,sub MOa

[@scitzmnm]

Never seen someone so against a cartridge

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Haha

[@matrix5175]

Nice!!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks

[@JonRangel87]

195 grain for 7mm is crazy.

[@jaybailleaux630]

No surprise there.

[@TomL3grandsons]

I think the barrel length on quarter minute’s rifle was 28 inches

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Probably

[@ronlowney4700]

🕵‍♂️ Austin, Here is a Fun "Self-Examination" of Your Cartridge Preferences: Number These Top 5 Selling Cartridges in Each of These 3 Calibers, in Order of Your Preference - 1.) 270 WBY, 270 wsm, 6.8 Western, 270 Win., 277 Sig Fury 2.) 7mm WBY, 7mm Rem., 7mm prc, 280 AI, 7mm-08 3.) 300 WBY, 300 WM, 300 wsm, 30-06, 308 Win.! Now, Compare The Numbers 1 Trough 5 of Each Caliber Against Each Other (example - #1 270 vs. #1 7mm vs. #1 30 caliber)! Overall, Which Caliber Do You Like Best? I Think I Know The Answer and It is Going To Be The Same For Most People! 😜 Was It The 30 Caliber? 🤭

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I'm a 30 caliber guy

[@ronlowney4700]

@ReloadingWeatherby 😂 Yep, I Know That! But, Do An Honest Comparison of Those Cartridges and You'll Find The Not Only You, But Most People Are (Including Myself)! 👍

[@TommyboyGTP]

26in barrel for the 7mm rem mag with or without the brake?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Without the brake

[@michaelcronwright2057]

Unfortunately you have made an identical video to the one you complained about. A good play on words using the term ‘factory’ to trick people into thinking your browning has a standard saami barrel 😂 Your Browing rifle is not saami spec and is the same as the custom rifle. It’s a pity you didn’t do a ‘factory’ standard saami spec 7mag. You could have shot the heaviest projectile the saami 7mag will stabilize and compared them. That would make a good video. Anyway love your content keep up the good work. Mike from New Zealand.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Slower twist 7mm Rem mags will be a thing of the past soon. Sorry to disappoint. FWIW the 7mm WSM has a 1in9.5 twist and it will have no issues shooting the 195 gr.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I'm actually going to push back your claim. Browning didn't make a custom chamber for the 7mm Rem mag. It's still a SAMMI Chamber. All they did was put a faster twist on it and a longer magazine. If doing that makes it a wildcat... than my 300 WBY is also a wildcat because I have a 1in10 twist instead of a 1in12. Modern 308 Win and 30-06 rifles are now wildcat cartridges I guess because of the faster twist.

[@michaelcronwright2057]

@@ReloadingWeatherby yep barrel twist alone does not make a ‘custom/wildcat’ lots of manufacturers have different twists in the same calibre. Good to see browning making some simple changes to keep up to date with the new projectiles.

[@StevoRicho]

The prc has a long throat, if u give a 7mm mag a long throat it can push heavy projectiles faster than a prc.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

This Browning X-Bolt has a long throat

[@StevoRicho]

@@ReloadingWeatherby so it has a long throat and mag,thats definitely a bonus for reloading,is the long throat and mag a recent thing?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@StevoRicho Since 2018

[@StevoRicho]

@@ReloadingWeatherby thanks for the reply 👍

[@bigracer3867]

The only thing I like about these PRC cartridges is that they are belt less And geese folks give a guy a break sometimes!!! Armchair arbitors.

[@keithbelz2346]

I like the marketing strategy,,they could sell ice cubes to Eskimo in February,,got all the fools to buy into it same as the 6.5 need more being anything more than a 500 yard paper puncher,that was marketed as a hunting cartridge

[@no_regerts5176]

They are all rimless. The PRC is belt-less.

[@jaymiller393]

@@no_regerts5176beat me to it! 😂😂😂

[@Tradmark454]

Until it was advertised i never seemed to have a problem with a belt.

[@HazardousRob]

Weird. Ive had an awful lot of meat in the from 6.5cm. Maybe you're just a lousy shot, or don't know how to pick an appropriate bullet

[@BZE_Fishin]

So…before you do this, understand that most 7mm only have a 1:9 twist. That said, there are several manufacturers ie Browning and Remington now offer a 1:8 twist with a 26” barrel! #mic-drop!!! 7 REM Mag for the win!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Berger says 195 gr will be stable in a 1in9. It's not just Browning and Remington with a fast twist... Christensen, Fierce, Weatherby and Ruger also have a faster twist.

[@BZE_Fishin]

@@ReloadingWeatherby…that was my point. With faster “factory” twist rates…the PRC is just another cartridge. A good cartridge but, not the new voodoo magical kind.

[@WillardGrant]

I have a 7mm rem mag browning x-bolt with a 1and8 twist I'm shooting 168lrx at 3300fps

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

That's fast

[@WayStedYou]

7 Please Re-Consider

[@SpudOutdoors]

If a 7 PRC is getting 2999 they are going above 70,000 to get it.. reputable groups have tested 195 in 7 PRC safely and did not ever achieve much over 2900.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Probably... but I think this 7 mag was also over pressure. Just because it doesn't show on the primer or brass, doesn't mean it isn't over pressure.

[@SpudOutdoors]

@@ReloadingWeatherby I think if you can fully form the case you can achieve those numbers with lower pressures. With 175gn elite I have 77 grains in the case and still hear air in it. To get a perfectly formed cases on my 7 mag. I seating jam with a reduced load and it took 3 firings to get it fully blown out. Then I sent it off to whidden and had a hydro die made. I now hydro the brass then size it .002 under on headspace. This got me 88 grains of H2O on the norma brass. The best way to know if your over pressure is how long the primer pocket makes it. My hornady brass with Retumbo was 4 firings. I am hoping with Norma and n570 I can comfortably shoot 3000fps and keep my pockets. I rebuilt the GRT profile for 7 mag to be the full max chamber. This showed me at 65000-67000 I could achieve well over 3000 fps.

[@lokisullivan469]

A 190gr Berger loaded with 73gr of N570 in a 7mm PRC will hit 2950, no problem.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I bet it will

[@IraHerrington]

I don't think this is a good comparison because you're comparing Muzzle velocity only without consideration of barrels varying fast/slower from barrel to barrel. If you're going to give a comparison you need to compare across them board: #1 (Consistent accuracy) #2 (Consistent ES's & SD's) #3 (Muzzle velocity knowing each barrel can be faster/slower than the next) #4 (Recoil mitigation) #5 (Amount of components used to load the cartridge and overall cost to load them) #6 (Is factory ammunition available) #7 (Barrel life) #8 (SAAMI spec vs custom chambers) #9 (Optimal powder based on cartridge) #10 (Is brass abundant for these cartridges) etc... Once you compare them both across the board then you'll have a better idea which one may be superior over the other. Looking forward to seeing what your comparison between the two cartridges consist of.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Every single barrel is different... so there will never be a fair comparison.

[@no_regerts5176]

Ain’t nobody got time for that!

[@ronlowney4700]

🤔 I Just Love How Many People Will Take Sides On Fighting For An Extra 50-100 Ft/s and Trying To Get To The 3,000 Ft/s Barrier With a 180 Grain Bullet - From All These "Mainstream Cartridges" - When They Could Just Get a 300 WBY (or 7mm-300 WBY, etc...) and Be Done With It! 😂

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I understand. Hitting 3000 FPS with a 180 gr is very simple for a lot of 30 caliber magnums.

[@ronlowney4700]

🤔 So, If We Look At The Most Popular Cartridges Ever Sold, We See That: 1.) The Two Most Popular Magnums Are The 7mm Remington Magnum and 300 Winchester Magnum 2.) The Most Popular Standard Lengh Action Non-Magnums Are The 270 Winchester and 30-06 Springfield 3.) The Most Popular Short Action Non-Magnum Cartridges Are The 7mm-08 Remington and 308 Winchester 4.) The Most Popular Short Action Magnum is The 300 wsm (The Second Remains To Be Determined - Mabey the 270 wsm?)! 5.) Top Lever Action Cartridge is The 30-30 Winchester! When It Comes To 30 Calibers and Top Selling Cartridges, Winchester Has Dominated The Market! 🤑

[@tyfoster4212]

7 saum?

[@Yelladog78]

The 7 PRC will forever be chasing the elusive 3000 fps, Hornady will forever lie about it achieving it

[@Maddad_39]

A lot of these latest and greatest cartridges are going to be nonexistent in a few years, just like the wsm for the same reasons.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I think the 7 PRC has a lot of staying power thanks to Hornady marketing

[@Maddad_39]

@ReloadingWeatherby maybe, but I also think most of the "hype" is bullet technology and not cartridge innovation.

[@HazardousRob]

Nah 7prc is gonna be around for awhile. Hornady went all in on it, and several other manufacturers jumped on the bandwagon for it.

[@brendonstevens7590]

Eventually people will be able to make sense of marketing they lie 7 prc doesn't hold as much powder as a 7mm rem no possible way could it be better at anything

[@clayp520]

Most of us don't handload...

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Than get a PRC... too bad you don't

[@clayp520]

Touche!

[@dirkweddle3999]

28 Nosle....