8 BIG DISADVANTAGES Stormtroopers Have VS Clone Troopers

[@hunterkiller1440]

Empire's rebuttal: MONEY.

[@robertnelson9599]

How else are they going to afford their 19 kilometer battleships and moon-sized battle stations equipped with planet-destroying lasers.

[@connorbestbarlow1043]

If they control the banks and the economy then is money really an issue?

[@NightHao]

@@connorbestbarlow1043 You're getting into inflation. By creating more money without an equivalent exchange of good, you just devalue the money. Also, even when the banks are nationalized, its clear they're almost broke. Considering the immense cost of the war, which also broke the republic, its clear the cost of that clone army was funneled into different projects, like the death star and the complete overhaul of the military ships and vehicles.

[@dannyhubber3373]

@@connorbestbarlow1043 Yes. Hyper-inflation is more deadly than any superweapon.

[@eaglewarrior7979]

@@dannyhubber3373 just look at the United States right now. The United States has printed lots of new money and now inflation is getting out of control.

[@Raeinok]

Cloning is too expensive but we lose efficiency if they're not trained from childhood. Got it, kidnap them as babies. Spartan 117 has entered the chat.

[@fulcrum7455]

First order has entered the chat

[@Raeinok]

@@fulcrum7455 true

[@bullettime8760]

@@fulcrum7455 dang it you beat me by 35 minutes

[@stalin1701]

*lose

[@ffm7982]

Jedi : *nervous sweating*

[@j.jbinks9669]

Big disadvantage: Stormtroopers weren't literal clones of one of the ages deadliest Bounty Hunters.

[@scoutman66]

The deadliest bounty hunter in the universe that jumped into a fighting pit full of wild animals, droids and Jedi and, surprise surprise, got himself killed

[@sorrrbet4923]

@@scoutman66 to be fair, he also came into combat with Windu, who was one of, if not the most, powerful Jedi warriors at the time. And he had also just killed a Jedi immediately before jumping into said pit, as well as being known as a Jedi killer

[@scoutman66]

@@sorrrbet4923 Yeah, I just thought it was funny

[@j.jbinks9669]

@@scoutman66 did anybody say deadliest in the universe though?

[@scoutman66]

@@j.jbinks9669 You know what, I'm honestly getting pretty sick of people trolling me like this

[@The7thFleet]

My guesses before watching the video: Combat skills Tactics Armor Not following orders as strictly

[@anakinskywalker1928]

Yeah. I’ve worked with both clones and stormtroopers and stormtroopers can’t aim. I’d take clones anyway rex

[@The7thFleet]

@Calvin McFalls I’M always right, kid

[@GibusLesPaul69420]

Sup rex

[@Chosen_Ash]

@@anakinskywalker1928 cause of plot armour

[@RazuX5]

@@anakinskywalker1928 if they couldn’t aim then explain rogue one, tantive IV on new hope alongside every rebel death in the entire saga?

[@justinreilly6619]

Genetics play a huge factor. The Clones came from Jango Fett, who was deemed by the Kaminoan's as being 'superior' genetic stock firstly and let's not forget, they tinkered around with this stock, so things like endurance and loyalty traits were increased.

[@unequivocalsuffering2734]

And if Jango’s DNA runs dry, you can always find the next elite bounty hunter

[@grisom5863]

@@unequivocalsuffering2734 Any suggestions?

[@Heartrose7]

@@grisom5863 His unaltered clone son Boba who he was raising as his Bounty Hunter partner and successor. In theory also any highly skilled or talented warrior could have been picked as a replacement as well, I don't think it would have needed to be Bounty Hunter strictly speaking, just preferred.

[@MrUnkillableGaming]

@@grisom5863 Any Mandalorian warrior would be a great template to create the clone army.

[@unequivocalsuffering2734]

@@grisom5863 Eh, there’s probably hundreds, if not thousands of candidates

[@neofulcrum5013]

I don’t know how money is even an issue for the empire. Look how much they spent on their ISDs and Death Star.

[@chrisfox7034]

Well there are other issues at play. The Imperial economy became dependent on the exploitation of the periphery to fund and send resources to the core. Entire planets would be strip mined, enslaved, and drained of everything to fund the imperial war machine. There is also one advantage a non-clone army gives. When the Empire conquers a human population (since they hated aliens), they could conscript said population. Each conquest gives them more soldiers - theoretically.

[@danielcubias432]

Those are the reason they have money issues.

[@ReaperofValhalla]

@@chrisfox7034 the thing was there was Armies as in plural. One ISD had something of 45,000 personnel. A Division (10,000) of Storm Troopers, 9,000 Navel Officers and 28,000 Enlisted Men. The cost of a dozen Star Destroyers could have covered the bill of maintaining 212th, 501st and 442nd at the very least. Getting rid of them completely was incredibly stupid as it was a investment that bankrupt the republic. Installing a regular army would be ideal for what pulps wanted hell he could have kept the equipment and vehicles as well for reserves, the rest of the navy and core could turn to hell like it did but he would still have a army of elite troopers loyal only to him and use as the boogeymen.

[@brandonvortex995]

@@chrisfox7034 yeah only for them given an equipment that's rather uneffective.

[@Bigglesworthicus]

Yeah they spent all their money on giant battlestations instead of competent occupation forces which are far more important for long term stability. Tarkin Doctrine was just flat out wrong and only inspired more resistance, Palps shouldn't have listened to him.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

1:37 Ah, so Stormtroopers are basically IGN Employees playing Doom Eternal. While Clone Troopers are Gaming KZbinrs.

[@rAin-ko1gs]

Ball eternal

[@weegee_darthno4045]

Nah it's more like An Over competitive pro who played the game since he was a kid and uses a mildly good PC And a person who plays casually on an 8k gaming computer.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Probably the biggest thing is experience. Clone Troopers where trained and fought in the most vicious war in countless centuries. Thus they were battle hardened and could likely handle most combat situations. Stormtroopers by contrast mainly put down small insurrections, and were never subjected to even a quarter of the fighting Clones were.

[@abraham2172]

In Legends, stormtroopers were used for the most difficult battles.

[@JongoPhett]

If the empire stuck with clones they would of never lost power.

[@flux_switch25]

Yeah, but there might have been more uprising. Possibly.

[@doglover334]

Would have*

[@mikleangelo9733]

@@flux_switch25 you could have thousands of uprisings and really no shift in power if you have a clone force protecting you.

[@weegee_darthno4045]

@@mikleangelo9733 The clones arent invincible, they could take out ksmino and bam no more clones, while with human recruits you have multiple training facilities and still very decent troops.

[@otto1449]

Are you sure? After all, a clone army is much more distanced from the civilians whose loyalty the Emperor needs. The real danger to the Empire has been the support the Rebel Alliance is getting from its own people. Using storm troopers means playing your people off against themselves. They undermine your enemies, something clones never could. On the contrary, using a cloned army would unite the people against the Empire. Clones are better in regular war, but in civil war you also have to use citizens otherwise they will go to the opposite side.

[@1701basil]

Didn't in legends, the kaminoans raise a clone army in secret after the empire was going to occupy kamino. Then they sent in Vader & the 501st. Shear experience and tactics wiped out kamino clone army. It seems like the bad batch is developing or cultivating that story arc

[@ayum2142]

Would be nice if this somehow find its way into bad batch or other animated series

[@1701basil]

@@ayum2142 Yuppers I think in last week's bad batch episode the kaminoan prime minister seemed determine to prove clones were far superior to conscription. I bet Dave feloni maybe at the last bad batch episode is going to allude to this using the kaminoan prime minister. Something like telling his assistant execute plan "Omega" in the last episode

[@ayum2142]

@@1701basil ooo... that’s gonna be nice, ending the bad batch series / an arc with boba fett and the 501st fighting the kamino uprising

[@JRH6271]

There was something along those lines in the old Battlefront 2 campaign.

[@MrDibara]

@@1701basil _So, hum... about that Bad Batch thing..._ 😒

[@godzillakaijuboy]

Stormtroopers: Have a built in anti-stealthing tech by having an audio recorder in their helmet Rebels: imma pretend I didn't see that

[@thrawnedits5860]

How about a What If palpatine allowed Savage and Maul join his empire and scheme, breaking the rule of two

[@GenerationTech]

savage was never even close in strength to a real sith lord... maul was past his prime

[@pyeitme508]

@@GenerationTech maybe

[@ttv_mrjack6749]

@@GenerationTech Still, they'd both have clapped all the Inquisitors (besides MAYBE the High Inquisitor).

[@thrawnedits5860]

That’s what I meant maul as a sith assassin and savage as an inquisitor Love your channel by the way.

[@thrawnedits5860]

@@GenerationTech Maul is seasoned but I wouldn’t say past his prime. Savage also never had the time to become a full sith lord

[@arthurbriand2175]

Can you do a comparative, economic and strategic study of the clone trooper program, the stormtrooper program and the first order storm trooper program? I always wondered why the First order seemed to combine the flawed nature of stormtroopers and the costs of raising a soldier from infancy.

[@GenerationTech]

first order had a man power issue and i think their recruiting method was shaky at best (basically stealing kids from backwards and impoverished planets)

[@pyeitme508]

@@GenerationTech ok

[@sentaikng]

I wanna know too, but just to see if the average clone was worth more than 2,000 credits. RIP Echo as a bargaining chip.

[@naitsabes2]

Why didn't the Empire just use Carbon freezing to keep the Clones in reserve for emergencies? This way they would cost almost nothing and still could be sent into battle rather quickly. Also they probably would't age so fast and the kaminoans would't need to create so many of them. (Sorry if I spelled someting wrong, since English isn't my first language)

[@kylebittner1327]

Han Solo had carbon sickness that caused him to be blind for a few hours in return of the jedi. I think it was 3 years but I'm not 100% sure. That could have factored in but I think that would have been a great idea

[@blackc1479]

I get your point, and in legends some spent time in "suspended animation" between deployments. But its never as far as i know been addressed officially. And yeah, in universe, carbon freeze was something no vaguely sentient being would agree to.

[@gipsydangeramericasmonster9632]

Asides from the potential side effects of being frozen in carbonite, it would be a hassle to freeze, unfreeze, then refreeze a person for emergency reserve

[@qr-code6334]

@@kylebittner1327 Han was frozen for 1 year.

[@DudeCrazy198]

Isn’t there also cryostatis where individuals have minimal effects but can stay asleep for years upon years

[@bryantom5321]

I haven’t watched the vid yet but plot armour has to be on there

[@dannyhubber3373]

All the clones who died in the war: *Am I a joke to you?*

[@shamrock141]

@@dannyhubber3373 Rex and Cody: Yes

[@capslatt7208]

Lmfao, plot armor belongs to the worthy anyway. Stormtroopers aren’t worthy 🤣

[@RazuX5]

@@capslatt7208 star battlefront 2 games say hi mr dip ****** 😉

[@deathsticks1776]

@@capslatt7208 that is so incorrect. Especially if you go into the EU, storm troopers were extremely well trained and marksmen, the reason they miss in the films is literally only for plot armor.

[@thesurp72520]

Who would win: The Virgin Stormtroopers Or The Chad Clone Troopers

[@scoutman66]

Virgin First Order Stormtroopers

[@sayedmohidulislam8102]

@@scoutman66 they are better than snoke

[@scoutman66]

@@sayedmohidulislam8102 It's not hard to be better than a guy that got beaten by a random girl from a desert planet and his emo Darth Vader cosplayer apprentice

[@sayedmohidulislam8102]

@@scoutman66 i could beat him too with my broom stick

[@Etzelsschizo]

Virgin Clone: -Expensive -Basically a Child soldier -Feared and hated by the common civilians. -Dies very early. -Can get manipulated by anyone who knows Order 66. -Had to prosecute deserters. -Betrayed their former Jedi Generals. -Bad in melee combat. Vs. The Chad Stormtrooper: -Cheap armor and Equipment, also don't expensive to produce. -Adult soldier -Liked and respected by their people. -Lives a long life as his life isn't accelerated. -Doesn't change his mind, stays focused on his orders. -Don't need to prosecute deserters, no one deserted in 20 years. -Never betrayed the empire and continued fighting after the civil war. -Perfectly trained in melee combat

[@GabePlaysYT]

Great video! going further on the bit about individuality was how bits of Mandolorian culture snuck in as well, especially through soldiers like Kal Skirita and the Cuy'val Dar. The Mandolorian culture gave them a further sense of honor, family, and purpose which made them even more effective soldiers. None of this changed the overall loyalty of the GAR to the Republic, with or without the Disney inclusion of inhibitor chips. So Palpatine's paranoia about disloyal soldiers and wanting a larger, more effective military actually ended up costing him on both counts.

[@seancarroll9849]

Simply put, if you want the best military, you need the strongest troops possible. Palpatine left himself open to rot from within for not utilizing the resource the Clone Troopers represented.

[@wannabeslav]

Sure clones are expensive, but they aren't as costly as having to build legions of star destroyers only to be blown up or heavily damaged after one battle. Not to mention clones won't completely flunk an attack because they aren't over ambitious or just plain terrible commanders

[@gipsydangeramericasmonster9632]

Star destroyers were really outnumbered in most cases, or had less shielding. Putting 1 or 2 star destroyers in a group and calling it a fleet is like calling two birds a flock.

[@michaelsmith622]

Officer klennic and Grand Moff Tarkin are proof of those failures. Ambition, Greed, Lies, Sabtoging each other's planes just to keep the other from getting ahead. And more importantly jealousy and paranoia.

[@hertogman]

Wow this is the first time KZbin gives me a notification that’s not 2 weeks too late.

[@more_fmn]

2 years late💀

[@jonathanng2390]

Clones are expensive and produced from a third party that Sidious has limited control of. Storm Troopers were a natural evolution for the Empire"s interest

[@lerneanlion]

Every time I see Crosshair unjustly order the exectuions of those civilians, thinking of the destruction of the first Death Star made me feel very satisfying.

[@davidjones341]

Down with the empire up with the phoenix.

[@rhett5058]

Makes me salute our fallen legion of janitors.

[@Mgauge]

Keeping smaller scale cloning program to make elite troopers for special assignments would have probably been ideal for Palpatine's needs.

[@MiguelARomero954]

COULDN'T YOU HAVE UPLOADED THIS A FEW DAYS EARLIER??? I NEEDED THIS FOR A PROJECT THAT I WAS DOING FOR SCHOOL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@jamiewalsh3349]

Clones may have lost their jobs to Stormtroopers but they got the last laugh in the end.

[@fabioartoscassone9305]

Clone 1 to Clone 2" ehy, man. why u look at me with that face?u want to disrespect me?" Clone 2 : "sorry.i thought u was my mirror"

[@shadowstryker640]

New episode of Bad Batch was pretty good

[@flux_switch25]

Can’t wait to watch it!

[@doglover334]

It was absolutely filler though

[@truebricks9299]

@@doglover334 agreed

[@Serenade2461]

@@doglover334 ya, hubby was hoping it would be a 40 min long episode and figured it would be just filler as soon as he saw it was 26 mins long.

[@joejr.537]

Yes

[@user-Jay178]

I feel like to keep the clones in the empire they need to have secret clone facility around the galaxy and make them resistance to biological weapons that target clones. Great video

[@jamezzz0035]

Stormtrooper: Patrols are boring... Clone troopers: First time?

[@caiolimacaldas]

Imo, i agree they was more loyal during the 66 order due the Chips in their brains.

[@laisphinto6372]

I take loyalty over programming any day

[@uglyjihad]

Why not just put chips in the storm troopers?? I mean it's not impossible

[@caiolimacaldas]

@@uglyjihad and the Clones was much more organized than the Storm troopers.

[@plushiesdx]

@@uglyjihad It would make less people want to join the corps. Plus, it's probably expensive

[@CognetoBurrito]

I wonder... if Palpatine hadn't of spent all that money on two Death Star's, how many clone troopers could he have bought instead? (Assuming the betrayal and hostile takeover of Kamino didn't happen)

[@ehanboshoff4825]

We forgot one disadvantage: aim Clone aim = god tier Stormtrooper aim = why is the tree jumping in front of my target

[@ullvoid220]

They were ordered to miss it's not their fault

[@houseofaction]

Obi wan specifically states that NO ONE IS AS PRECISE A SHOT as the stormtroopers

[@Ojuis.]

@@houseofaction well no he was on Tatooine he means no one could have that aim on that planet unless it was a storm trooper because there were Bounty hunters yes but they wouldnt attack without getting paid and the tusken raiders woukd def raid them but they cant aim so it must be stormtroopers

[@floriansteininger347]

That joke is so old.

[@erikgodby824]

Captain Rex said it in rebels "I can't see anything in this helmet!"

[@donaldseth5492]

Question : When Order 66 happened, why didn't the Jedi use mind tricks on the CLones to make them think they weren't Jedi????

[@nobleman9393]

Would you use An unreliable method to save your life when reliable methods are available to you?

[@donaldseth5492]

@@nobleman9393 If there were reliable methods, why did so many of them die?

[@nobleman9393]

@@donaldseth5492 Because Reliable doesn't mean successful

[@donaldseth5492]

@@nobleman9393 Reliable tends to mean that it works most of the time.

[@joshuahogan3475]

The vast majority simply didn't jave time to try. The attacks came as a complete surprise. In the comics one Jedi DID use a mind trick to convince the clones hunting him to gun down some Inquisitors. He convinced them anyone holding a light saber was, by definition, a Jedi... ...after dropping his lightsaber of course.😄

[@WD-41469]

It’s hard to come up with a surprise army without the clones. Family members would talk, etc. Once the need for surprise is gone, conscription makes the most sense.

[@adorablecenturion8436]

If Rebels ever got word of Kamino, they could have wiped out the cloning facilities or something and completely stop the flow of new clones, if the Empire were to stay with clones. They'd also have to find someone else to use as a template for their clone army.

[@rajatava3500]

The biggest disadvantage is that Clone Trooper was invented in 21st Century while Stormtrooper was invented in 20th Century. That is why, Clone Trooper is more technologically advanced.

[@pyeitme508]

Yeah

[@nobleman9393]

Yes indeed, Clone Troopers are made out of CGI

[@goodmind4940]

first order stormtroopers were invented in 21st century and they still suck ass lmao, writers are just getting worse and worse

[@wolfu597]

Cloning may have discontinued after the rise of the Empire, but the knowledge and the tools to make clones weren't forgotten. 5 years after the battle of Endor, Grand admiral Thrawn uses the Emperors secret underground cloning facility on the planet of Wayland, to create crew members to man the approximately 200 pre-Clone war dreadnoughts, aka the lost Katana fleet, which he managed to rediscover and capture before the New Republic can intervene.

[@richardchild6708]

Clone are more adaptive to combat, and experience is important when your in the battlefields.

[@shaquilleoatmeal911]

Darth Sidious : "Yo we turned the republic into a galactic empire just like Julius Caesar." Imperial 1 : "We should improve our military by replacing aging clones with OP black droids." Imperial 2 : "We should get improved Royal Guards to protect Darth Sidious better." Imperial 3 : "Why don't we replace our very accurate and powerful clones with soldiers that can't aim." *proceeds to yeet the imperial*

[@sparr-o2465]

Palpatine: Clones are too expensive and not worth risking our economy. Also Palpatine: Let’s build a second Death Star!

[@palpadur1112]

disadvantage number nine that the Stormtroopers have vs the Clone Troopers: "I'm a soldier, like you! This is what I was bred for." - Clone 99 that hit to the feels made my eyeballs sweat.

[@crimson_axi5892]

I love how you brought the Battlefront 2 (PS2) campaign into this discussion

[@ShawnHCorey]

One thing the new empire needs in stormtroopers is numbers. It's going to need a lot more than even Kamino can provide. On the other hand, it will need the clones for much longer than it can imagine.

[@macekreislahomes1690]

Mabey Clones for offensive and special forces while useing Storm Troopers for defencive roles and Law enforcement.

[@boopie6635]

next do the advantages the stormtrooper has over the clones, as there is many as much as a prequelboo will say otherwise

[@wheelyone8269]

Another advantage is infiltration. These clones lived alongside each other for years, it would be so difficult for a rebel to don the armour of one and act and sound like a clone that it would be impossible. Admittedly, this is also a downside as a clone would find it difficult to be a rebel unless they properly deserted - a very rare occurrence

[@LordWeems]

The largest issues with clones was the rapid aging, the cost, and the need for a base template that was worth the work to secure Find a way to double growth for the first 10 or so years, then have it slow when they hit maturity. Sorta like a hacked version of puberty. Make those your soldiers and your pilots. Let them move around in the ranks and positions freely. Then simply recruit for anything you're missing or dont wanna fill with valuable fighters like service techs, dock work, medics, repair services, etc but let exceptional ones be considered for high rank positions and the like. Maybe even use *that* as a way to find your next base template

[@kauske]

The cost of cloning is pretty artificial, resource wise since they age faster, they cost far less than a normal human that takes 18-20 years to reach their physical apex. The issue here was outsourcing, if the Empire brought creation of clones in-house it would literally only cost them food. You have to pay even conscripts, both have to be equipped, fed, healed and housed. Being that the clones are literally slaves they would be the cheaper option without Kamino putting some sort of crazy markup on the cost of raising them. Sure, the cost of raising normal children is deferred from the government in a way, but it still costs your society resources. It's a very narrow view that thinks 'well, it's free to me' and just rolls with it. That lack of wholistic vision is probably why the empire was so bad at _everything._

[@neilbodwell9172]

Allan I love your videos, but what do you ride bro? I picked up motorcycles when I was 20. Started on a zx6r, then moved to a zx14 and have stayed on the zx14 for the last 9 years. I'm down to ride with you anytime.

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

I loved how you used a video game allegory to compare the CT and ST.

[@TheMameBus]

Does anybody else remember that one clone wars episode that revolved around the republic literally going broke and breaking the economy due to the cost of clones?

[@cooldime3086]

Notification gang 🌟 love your videos btw

[@gipsydangeramericasmonster9632]

The ability to mass produce an army is valuable, in all aspects. Hence why the separatists had a good idea on HOW to get their numbers, but the flaws vastly outnumbered the pros

[@mwecorematter]

Ive never understood why the Emperor went forward with the Stormtrooper program, and retired the Clone Trooper Program.

[@st-6837]

I think because clones are much more expensive compare to Stormtroopers

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

The cost and the fact the Fett DNA was wearing thin now and deteriorating and well sheer numbers really. The Clone army took so long to make and in so few numbers not enough to govern am entire Galaxy.

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

@@davidordaz5251 Well the Death star was a bad idea and investment, the star destroyers did work when used right. They could stomp any real opposition with ease and carried a decent number of troops and vehicles. Their only set back was the fighters they where carrying where not shielded and they needed better anti small craft guns.

[@ethanworner864]

A US army infantryman will go through 22 weeks of training, a US marine will go through 4 days less, and British infantrymen go through 26 weeks. During WW2, an infantryman would go through basic training in 8-17 weeks

[@ThePossumCatcher]

The Kaminoans tried to warn Grand Moff Tarkin that clones are better than conscripts and he wouldn’t listen!!! 😫😫😫 If only Emperor Palpatine and Grand Moff Tarkin had gotten Cad Bane’s DNA and made armies of Duros Clones backed by hordes of B1 Battle Droids, the Rebellion would have been destroyed!!! 😫😫😫

[@endeavor3406]

If i was Tarkin i would keep the clones ofc they are loyal and bred for war and maybe also battle droids because they are loyal but not as good as clones

[@ikeaman7247]

Those emojis hurt my brain

[@derektakeno2192]

Seeing as how the Stormtrooper program is a small shock force of elite troopers, Clones make sense. But for rank and file, conscripts are cheaper cannon folder.

[@Uwuz863]

The clones were good but Palpatine wanted more than a strong military. He wanted to have people believe in his empire, and partake in it willingly, which is why the clones were discontinued

[@tba113]

Universal equipment... Well, that's true, 1) military gear for non-clones only comes in two sizes - "too large" and "too small" - so it's not like opening a second production line or adding the ability to adjust the fit of a piece of gear would be that difficult; and 2) the Kaminoans still managed to screw up the fit with Phase 1 gear anyway, which was overly heavy and restricted the clones' movements due to poor design.

[@sterasigma8734]

I don't know which is worse really, possible war fatigue over losing your loved ones (since many Stormtroopers obviously have families and/or friends) or paying overpriced Space Apple employees to create what is essentially a slave army. You know, why didn't the Empire simply pick up war orphans and young street urchins, divide them with vocational tests and train them accordingly, while indoctrinating them into staunch Imperial loyalists? They could be just as loyal with a lower cost of production and upkeep. It's not like poor children - if left to their own devices - could amount to anything beyond scum and villainy in that galaxy. They could be relatively easily reintegrated into society during peacetime since military specialist training is desirable in the civilian sector, while also serving as living examples of Imperial benevolence.

[@19kiloM1Tanker]

Have you read Republic commandos by Karen Traviss? They were as good as the bad batch and fit in at the same level of the bad batch. They, in the end, went Rouge. Would like to see a comparison of omega and delta squads and the bad batch.

[@fabioartoscassone9305]

Clone after a year of active duty, in a pub with other comrades "fuck, ever the same FACES, here or in active duty"

[@HolyknightVader999]

People keep whining about how Palpatine and Tarkin should have kept the army purely made out of Fett clones, but I actually side with them and their decision to diversify the army, for many different reasons: 1) Skills can be taught. Vice Admiral Rampart was correct. Crosshair's squad performed like crack soldiers, and in the opening scene of A New Hope, Stormtroopers had no problems hitting their targets. The Stormtroopers in the films who miss their shots are instructed not to hit the good guys because Vader wants them alive, they merely used covering fire to herd the good guys to where Vader or Tarkin wanted them. Clone Troopers can be made into Stormtrooper officers and Shocktroopers and be put in charge of Stormtrooper units, passing down their skills to a new generation of soldiers who owe their paychecks and their lives to the Empire. That way, the clones get a promotion, and newer soldiers get to learn from them. 2) You need to involve the populace in the army. If the Imperial Army remained purely clones, then the people won't feel any relation to them and would feel threatened by them. Part of the reason why the Republic was so callous in sacrificing clone lives is because they don't relate to the clones. They saw the clones as merely organic battle droids-only the Jedi gave a damn about clone lives. Which meant that if the clones kept bossing the people around as the only soldiers in town, the populace will feel threatened. They will see the clones as an occupying force, foreign and uncaring. Meanwhile, if you let common folk sign up for the army, then that would actually make the army more familiar to the populace. That's not some killer from Kamino patrolling the streets, that's little Timmy from down the street, fulfilling his dreams of being a space soldier and a hero. Guys like him will be protecting the community, and fulfilling a public service. Let the clones serve in command or officer roles, as befitting the role of a combat veteran. But let the common soldier be someone from the local populace, that way, people can actually relate to the army and not feel threatened by them. You can get rid of a large number of potential dissidents by putting a roof over their head and paying them to shoot your foes, creating more loyalty for the Empire. 3) Diversify the military gene pool. As much as it lowers the quality of the armed men to not just be Fett clones, the Rebels, or any other enemy of the Empire, can easily employ a bioweapon targeted against the Fett genome to devastate the Imperial army. To prevent such a scenario from happening, you need to diversify the army's genetic stock. Of course, the Empire's not going to trust filthy aliens outside of being spies or mercenaries, but by allowing humans of different genetic stock to mix in with the Fett clones, it makes DNA-targeting bioweapons not as effective as they should be. 4) Quality, not quantity. Focus the Kaminoan cloners on more higher-quality ventures. Have the Kaminoans focus mostly on creating more Advanced Recon Commandos and Clone Commandos with the remaining clone stock. With the Jedi Order decimated, the Empire will need a new breed of supersoldier to take their place, and with the Sith restricting themselves to two Sith Lords and a small army of dark acolytes, the government will need a new type of reliable super-soldier to make up for the loss of the Jedi Order. Focus them on quality, not quantity, so as to make their reputation feared, and force entire enemy forces to surrender before they consider fighting, saving more lives. 5) Size. No matter how fast the Kaminoans grow them, you need a large army that can't wait for another 10 years to grow. The Empire has to govern a large amount of worlds (70 million, to be precise) and you can't just wait for years to have new clones go online. So of course, they have to recruit to create a larger and more prolific army. Sticking to only clones would make it harder to police such a large territory. 6) MONEY. With the war over, the Empire has to cut back on spending because they're going to have to pay for rebuilding both the ruined Separatist and Republic worlds. Not to mention the fact that the Emperor has other projects going on, from Thrawn's TIE Defenders, Veers' AT-AT Walkers, to Tarkin's Death Star. So of course, you need to cut back on the cloning venture, because it's a cost-prohibitive operation in times of peace. Tell the Kaminoan cloners to focus on creating smaller, more elite units like ARC troopers and Clone Commandos, and cut back on the costs. Hiring recruits and having clones train them will pass down the skill of the clones onto new generations while saving on costs and rewarding the clones for their service with a promotion and people who serve under them. With the Empire now owning both former Republic and Separatist territories, much of which has been devastated by the war, jacking up taxes to pay for more clone troopers that the populace would see as an occupying force is bad for everyone involved. So yes, Tarkin is definitely right on this one.

[@chrislaurent1137]

1:07-1:12 Say does anyone know the film for this one?

[@power-armoured_german9856]

Solo

[@jeromeantony5930]

Thanks for the update

[@TgamerBio5529]

Why didn’t they just kept a small battalion as a special force units while keeping the stormtroopers as infantry ?

[@fabioartoscassone9305]

dont insult "infantry". infantry usually his something...

[@weegee_darthno4045]

Stormtroopers arent infantry.....

[@fabioartoscassone9305]

@@weegee_darthno4045 yeah are losery uahahahahaah

[@weegee_darthno4045]

@@fabioartoscassone9305 That ain't funny......they are the elite shock trooper corps of the empire, they are the embodiment of order in the galaxy capable of going into any environment, they some times stay on battle stations and capital ships to guard areas.

[@fabioartoscassone9305]

@@weegee_darthno4045 and they lose every single time engaged by rebels,MISSING completely the point

[@mandoreviews7245]

Do a video on what kind of Navy and Army the United States defense budget can buy

[@nobleman9393]

Half a Star Destroyer, I guess

[@mandoreviews7245]

@@nobleman9393 Nah look at Generation Tech’s video on money in Star Wars it’s almost a 1 for 1 ratio between the dollar and credit. So I’d be curious on what they could do

[@Jordan-bg7xc]

They only had to make 3 changes to the clone army to make it 10x better and take away a few of its down sides. 1. Get multiple different types of clones so they are less susceptible to bio warfare. 2. Spread cloneing facilities across the galaxy to prevent loss of production from one being destroyed and also improve the speed and numbers of troops produced. 3. Regularly check the clones chips to prevent damaged ones from rebelling. Geting rid of clones completely was stupid should have used both clones as the elite and storm troopers as standerd troops if not just some kind of police force

[@DfiftyMusic]

It makes no sense, it’s like replacing your brand new sports car for a reliant Robbin 😂

[@matthewnguyen5325]

Woudl've been better if they held onto clone troopers for longer, used them as a buffer as they implement storm troopers, and could've used storm troopers as regular army grunts while using clone troopers as more specialized infantry (like Army and Marines relationship)

[@stryletz]

You forgot to take into account Jango's degrading genetic sample. The Clones were getting less efficient with each batch, more and more were being "born" will genetic variations, most not useful to The Empire. It would have eventually gotten to a point where The Empire would be paying a premium price for fewer troopers that don't have much of an advantage over enlisted soldiers.

[@Swap-511.0]

Stromtrooper Advantage: OH wait, did I wrote that ? Yeah Stromtooper don't have

[@KINGAGATHOST]

Flashbacks to OG battlefront 2 flying over Coruscant as a "marine"

[@matthewwelker9815]

what is the scene at 1:05 from?

[@Bly-CC-5052]

I think it’s better to look at it from the empires POV. The nature of the conflicts they were fighting didn’t require them to maintain a top of the line army that was more expensive. They were fighting guerrilla warfare and garrisoning the galaxy. It would also be easier to use human recruits because people didn’t fear humans as much as they did clones. the fett dna was degrading as well and they wouldn’t be able to maintain cloning production. I think both the clone troopers and the storm troopers were the best units for the conflicts they each participated in.

[@jiaweichew3370]

The best advantage the clones has was that they are so multi role that a small unit could in theory man almost the entire vehicle selection in the army resulting in clones being able to rotate positions in the event of high casualties to specific skills like clone gunners or arc 170 pilots or gunners.

[@josepalacios8530]

The empire couldn't stay with the clones because: - The Kaminoans were suspicious and had a hidden army to fight the impire and they knew that - The Jango gen was deteriorated - Due to the incredible intelligence clones had, lot of them would have rise against the empire - Expensive af (if they just forced the kaminoans to do it for free, they would just fight the empire)

[@captainvanghn]

The 9th disadvantage: the helmets and armour the helmet are offered close to no visibility the made it impossible to hit shots, and the armour we've seen clones take several shots and not die but with Stormtroopers the armour was made out of I forget but I do remember it was weaker than clone armour causing Stormtroopers to go down in a single hit

[@oliverkromann1902]

i personally hope we get to see the kamino uprising, would be more visual than the original mission from BF2

[@WhatIfBrigade]

Good points. My theory is that Palpatine is an evil Sith who wants his own troops to suffer and die. That the clones are content and competent means the Clone Army is good, which Palpatine hates. Since Palpatine was controlling both sides of the Clone Wars it makes sense that he goads planets into rebellion so he can continue wars which keep him in power.

[@robertagu5533]

Allen forgot to mention the Clones paid for all the DLCs too. Level grinding must be hard when you cant see a thing through your helmet an sights never seem to work on your weapons

[@billcollecter4728]

Yeah stormtroopers are less efficient and even though clones are more expensive but better so you might need less clones.

[@tylermartin9017]

Clones would’ve made the empire last waaaay longer he messed up on that one

[@dk3osjjs]

wouldn't it be great if in episode 7 our heros (that I hoped changes) find Kamino and use clones again or heck even the first order but no we still get more useless troopers that did nothing in another 3 movies good job Disney proud of u

[@mageeaaron2624]

This was awesome!!!

[@tba113]

Jumping universes, but on the bond of brotherhood... Imperial Guard Stormtroopers in 40K - "Astra Militarum Tempestus Scions" in the new naming convention - aren't genetically engineered in vitro like Kaminoan clones are, but they _are_ trained basically from birth, and as cohesive units. They grow up as a cohort/graduating class in the Stormtrooper program of a Schola Progenium (the same Imperium school that produces Commissars and Adepta Sororitas), and are posted to Guard regiments as a self-contained unit. The advantage of this is that they've literally known each other and trained together all their lives, and intuitively know how the entire team of Stormtroopers will react to something. The disadvantage, though, is that from day one, that unit is on borrowed time because it cannot be reinforced when a trooper gets hurt or killed. I mean, you could bring in fresh blood from the Schola to reconstitute the unit, and they'll be well-trained and well-equipped, but the FNG's will always be outsiders to the Stormtrooper squad and won't have the reflexive bond of trust that made the original unit so effective. Usually, once a unit of Stormtroopers falls below fire-team strength (about five guys) the unit is formally disbanded, the surviving troops are assigned to line infantry units, and a request is put in with the Munitorum for another batch of Stormtroopers. Commissar Cain thought the practice was a little strange, since it left a Guard regiment with special-forces units that were almost always at only partial strength.

[@Tutto_T]

I got a question why weren't the clones equipped with some kind of vibroblade, I know they mostly fought the droids from range but still? Anyone got anything on this?

[@GenerationTech]

I imagine they had something in their kit or at least a mark 1 shovel

[@Tutto_T]

I was watching legacy of terror and thought it was stupid they only had the blasters.

[@BluFor18]

@@Tutto_T same reason why you don’t see troops today carrying around knives, they’re really just not needed in most situations

[@Tutto_T]

@@BluFor18 I'm pretty sure modern soldiers still have knifes and stuff in there packs

[@BluFor18]

@@Tutto_T soldiers don’t use knives up close they’re tought hand to hand combat and how to subdue a person. They would potentially be used for more trivial things but very rarely if at all would it be used to fight someone

[@chadpeterson5698]

Me personally if I were Palpatine I would keep clone troopers around but as specialized units such as rocket troopers, flametroopers, and even Death Troopers.

[@DinoJake]

Ditching the clones is proof of Palpatine's single biggest flaw - Arrogance. The only reason Palpatine used clones in the first place was so that their inhibitor chips would guarantee they would obey Order 66, gutting the Jedi Order. After that, Palpatine cast the clones aside, thinking that he no longer needed them when quicker, cheaper alternatives were available. It would be the first of several mistakes he'd make over the next twenty-odd years.

[@crsrdash-840b5]

I think when cloning a clone trooper, there should be a way to end the accelaration after 2-3 years (much like animals go though from birth to full adult). That way they can live longer lives. however, i see why they continue to age by design. emporor wanted the clones to 'die out' sooner after the war came to an end.

[@shanenolan8252]

No the was still major battles being fought for around 3 or 4 years after order 66 , the reconquest of the mid and outer rim and the holdouts ( separates) and punitive campaigns and rebellions like mon cala and the wookies.

[@johnpatz8395]

I always felt that the empire should have used a combined force of Clone Troopers and StormTroopers. Use the Stormtroopers to garrison planets, and as basic cannon fodder, while Clone Troopers would be used special forces style units. This same organization could be used for different types of units, such say a ship had 4 squadrons of fighters, 3 of them could be conscripts in Tie fighters, and 1 squad of clone pilots in an advanced fighter (better ships as the empire has much more money invested in them,) and the advanced fighters could even have hyper drives due to clone loyalty being programmed in, so there’s not nearly the desertion risk as with regular pilots. Hell, clone troopers could have even been used to train regular troops, not to mention due to their increased loyalty to the empire they could be used to police regular troops as well. There are just so many advantages to maintaining a small percentage of your clones within your military, that it’s stupid to not do so. I’d say it’s much the same when it comes to combat droids, I mean sure B1’s are useless, and I can understand that after the clone wars the Empire wouldn’t want to be seen publicly using a bunch of droid combat troops, but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t be used as security within military bases and ships, or even used to supplement fighters/bombers carried on vessels. So using the above 4 squadrons, make two of recruits, one of clones in advanced fighters and the final squadron of some advanced droid fighter. Imagine if you will the first unit through the shield at Hoth, firing several cruise missiles toward the rebel base, each of which dropped a dozen droidikas into the middle of the Rebels guarding the base

[@sirgigiuaswattiuas4213]

1:33 it's like there second playthrough

[@warhounds]

clones: age fast, is a "product" that needs to be paid to the DEVELOPER before the creation and until the clones death, killed almost all jedi which also means there is a potential that this could happen to the sith, inhibitor chips can disfunction stormtroopers: i guess they cost less because they only need to be payed when they join the militare and they dont have a "developer" which in turn also costs less, they are not a big threat to the sith in comparison to the clones but that also means they are lesser threat to the jedi and rebellion, being a stormtrooper means almost anyone can become one which means more planets can join the empire forces

[@r1cosito]

I always thought that the reason for stopping clone operation was for the job market not the value of soldiers. A war just ended, worlds are in ruins, people are unhappy and jobless, and now we can suck op 90% of that into thr militarily solving most of the unrest problems.

[@edge_ucation]

Can anyone please teach those stormtroopers how to shoot? They were bested by a blind force sensitive monk that didn't even weild a light Saber. And their blasters don't even have sights, which is the bear minimum for delivering controlled bursts. Sure, maybe there is a camera on the blaster that links to their helmet, but you better hope that never breaks down. It never hurts to have something to fall back on.

[@villageidiot3763]

The main reason I think palpating didn’t need the clones was because there was no longer a war to fight. Therefore no need for that strong of a military. That and his confidence in the Death Star and various other super weapons and super soldier programs he was funding

[@stupidhooman7999]

Storm trooper disadvantage 1) Worst aim 2) Weak armor 3) Tiny Brain 4) suck at hand to hand combat 5) Weak knee

[@Sinn0100]

Let's not forget the Clone Troopers had no issues killing Jedi. Their training and combat prowess made them quite a formidable foe. I believe a group of Storm Troopers would have immense trouble taking down even one Jedi.