8 BIG DISADVANTAGES Stormtroopers Have VS Clone Troopers

Palpatine should've never replaced the Clone Troopers here are 8 reasons why they are superior to the Stormtroopers.
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[@hunterkiller1440]

Empire's rebuttal: MONEY.

[@robertnelson9599]

How else are they going to afford their 19 kilometer battleships and moon-sized battle stations equipped with planet-destroying lasers.

[@connorbestbarlow1043]

If they control the banks and the economy then is money really an issue?

[@NightHao]

@@connorbestbarlow1043 You're getting into inflation. By creating more money without an equivalent exchange of good, you just devalue the money. Also, even when the banks are nationalized, its clear they're almost broke. Considering the immense cost of the war, which also broke the republic, its clear the cost of that clone army was funneled into different projects, like the death star and the complete overhaul of the military ships and vehicles.

[@dannyhubber3373]

@@connorbestbarlow1043 Yes. Hyper-inflation is more deadly than any superweapon.

[@eaglewarrior7979]

@@dannyhubber3373 just look at the United States right now. The United States has printed lots of new money and now inflation is getting out of control.

[@Raeinok]

Cloning is too expensive but we lose efficiency if they're not trained from childhood. Got it, kidnap them as babies. Spartan 117 has entered the chat.

[@fulcrum7455]

First order has entered the chat

[@Raeinok]

@@fulcrum7455 true

[@bullettime8760]

@@fulcrum7455 dang it you beat me by 35 minutes

[@stalin1701]

*lose

[@ffm7982]

Jedi : *nervous sweating*

[@j.jbinks9669]

Big disadvantage: Stormtroopers weren't literal clones of one of the ages deadliest Bounty Hunters.

[@scoutman66]

The deadliest bounty hunter in the universe that jumped into a fighting pit full of wild animals, droids and Jedi and, surprise surprise, got himself killed

[@sorrrbet4923]

@@scoutman66 to be fair, he also came into combat with Windu, who was one of, if not the most, powerful Jedi warriors at the time. And he had also just killed a Jedi immediately before jumping into said pit, as well as being known as a Jedi killer

[@scoutman66]

@@sorrrbet4923 Yeah, I just thought it was funny

[@j.jbinks9669]

@@scoutman66 did anybody say deadliest in the universe though?

[@scoutman66]

@@j.jbinks9669 You know what, I'm honestly getting pretty sick of people trolling me like this

[@The7thFleet]

My guesses before watching the video: Combat skills Tactics Armor Not following orders as strictly

[@anakinskywalker1928]

Yeah. I’ve worked with both clones and stormtroopers and stormtroopers can’t aim. I’d take clones anyway rex

[@The7thFleet]

@Calvin McFalls I’M always right, kid

[@GibusLesPaul69420]

Sup rex

[@Chosen_Ash]

@@anakinskywalker1928 cause of plot armour

[@gabrieltejada1697]

@@anakinskywalker1928 if they couldn’t aim then explain rogue one, tantive IV on new hope alongside every rebel death in the entire saga?

[@justinreilly6619]

Genetics play a huge factor. The Clones came from Jango Fett, who was deemed by the Kaminoan's as being 'superior' genetic stock firstly and let's not forget, they tinkered around with this stock, so things like endurance and loyalty traits were increased.

[@unequivocalsuffering2734]

And if Jango’s DNA runs dry, you can always find the next elite bounty hunter

[@grisom5863]

@@unequivocalsuffering2734 Any suggestions?

[@Heartrose7]

@@grisom5863 His unaltered clone son Boba who he was raising as his Bounty Hunter partner and successor. In theory also any highly skilled or talented warrior could have been picked as a replacement as well, I don't think it would have needed to be Bounty Hunter strictly speaking, just preferred.

[@johannezekielrondilla93]

@@grisom5863 Any Mandalorian warrior would be a great template to create the clone army.

[@unequivocalsuffering2734]

@@grisom5863 Eh, there’s probably hundreds, if not thousands of candidates

[@neofulcrum5013]

I don’t know how money is even an issue for the empire. Look how much they spent on their ISDs and Death Star.

[@chrisfox7034]

Well there are other issues at play. The Imperial economy became dependent on the exploitation of the periphery to fund and send resources to the core. Entire planets would be strip mined, enslaved, and drained of everything to fund the imperial war machine. There is also one advantage a non-clone army gives. When the Empire conquers a human population (since they hated aliens), they could conscript said population. Each conquest gives them more soldiers - theoretically.

[@danielcubias432]

Those are the reason they have money issues.

[@ReaperofValhalla]

@@chrisfox7034 the thing was there was Armies as in plural. One ISD had something of 45,000 personnel. A Division (10,000) of Storm Troopers, 9,000 Navel Officers and 28,000 Enlisted Men. The cost of a dozen Star Destroyers could have covered the bill of maintaining 212th, 501st and 442nd at the very least. Getting rid of them completely was incredibly stupid as it was a investment that bankrupt the republic. Installing a regular army would be ideal for what pulps wanted hell he could have kept the equipment and vehicles as well for reserves, the rest of the navy and core could turn to hell like it did but he would still have a army of elite troopers loyal only to him and use as the boogeymen.

[@brandonvortex995]

@@chrisfox7034 yeah only for them given an equipment that's rather uneffective.

[@Bigglesworthicus]

Yeah they spent all their money on giant battlestations instead of competent occupation forces which are far more important for long term stability. Tarkin Doctrine was just flat out wrong and only inspired more resistance, Palps shouldn't have listened to him.

[@JongoPhett]

If the empire stuck with clones they would of never lost power.

[@flux_switch25]

Yeah, but there might have been more uprising. Possibly.

[@doglover334]

Would have*

[@mikleangelo9733]

@@flux_switch25 you could have thousands of uprisings and really no shift in power if you have a clone force protecting you.

[@weegee_darthno4045]

@@mikleangelo9733 The clones arent invincible, they could take out ksmino and bam no more clones, while with human recruits you have multiple training facilities and still very decent troops.

[@otto1449]

Are you sure? After all, a clone army is much more distanced from the civilians whose loyalty the Emperor needs. The real danger to the Empire has been the support the Rebel Alliance is getting from its own people. Using storm troopers means playing your people off against themselves. They undermine your enemies, something clones never could. On the contrary, using a cloned army would unite the people against the Empire. Clones are better in regular war, but in civil war you also have to use citizens otherwise they will go to the opposite side.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

1:37 Ah, so Stormtroopers are basically IGN Employees playing Doom Eternal. While Clone Troopers are Gaming KZbinrs.

[@rAin-ko1gs]

Ball eternal

[@weegee_darthno4045]

Nah it's more like An Over competitive pro who played the game since he was a kid and uses a mildly good PC And a person who plays casually on an 8k gaming computer.

[@1701basil]

Didn't in legends, the kaminoans raise a clone army in secret after the empire was going to occupy kamino. Then they sent in Vader & the 501st. Shear experience and tactics wiped out kamino clone army. It seems like the bad batch is developing or cultivating that story arc

[@ayum2142]

Would be nice if this somehow find its way into bad batch or other animated series

[@1701basil]

@@ayum2142 Yuppers I think in last week's bad batch episode the kaminoan prime minister seemed determine to prove clones were far superior to conscription. I bet Dave feloni maybe at the last bad batch episode is going to allude to this using the kaminoan prime minister. Something like telling his assistant execute plan "Omega" in the last episode

[@ayum2142]

@@1701basil ooo... that’s gonna be nice, ending the bad batch series / an arc with boba fett and the 501st fighting the kamino uprising

[@j.r.6271]

There was something along those lines in the old Battlefront 2 campaign.

[@MrDibara]

@@1701basil _So, hum... about that Bad Batch thing..._ 😒

[@thrawnedits5860]

How about a What If palpatine allowed Savage and Maul join his empire and scheme, breaking the rule of two

[@GenerationTech]

savage was never even close in strength to a real sith lord... maul was past his prime

[@pyeitme508]

@@GenerationTech maybe

[@ttv_mrjack6749]

@@GenerationTech Still, they'd both have clapped all the Inquisitors (besides MAYBE the High Inquisitor).

[@thrawnedits5860]

That’s what I meant maul as a sith assassin and savage as an inquisitor Love your channel by the way.

[@thrawnedits5860]

@@GenerationTech Maul is seasoned but I wouldn’t say past his prime. Savage also never had the time to become a full sith lord

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Probably the biggest thing is experience. Clone Troopers where trained and fought in the most vicious war in countless centuries. Thus they were battle hardened and could likely handle most combat situations. Stormtroopers by contrast mainly put down small insurrections, and were never subjected to even a quarter of the fighting Clones were.

[@abraham2172]

In Legends, stormtroopers were used for the most difficult battles.

[@bryantom5321]

I haven’t watched the vid yet but plot armour has to be on there

[@dannyhubber3373]

All the clones who died in the war: *Am I a joke to you?*

[@shamrock141]

@@dannyhubber3373 Rex and Cody: Yes

[@capslatt7208]

Lmfao, plot armor belongs to the worthy anyway. Stormtroopers aren’t worthy 🤣

[@gabrieltejada1697]

@@capslatt7208 star battlefront 2 games say hi mr dip ****** 😉

[@deathsticks1776]

@@capslatt7208 that is so incorrect. Especially if you go into the EU, storm troopers were extremely well trained and marksmen, the reason they miss in the films is literally only for plot armor.

[@naitsabes2]

Why didn't the Empire just use Carbon freezing to keep the Clones in reserve for emergencies? This way they would cost almost nothing and still could be sent into battle rather quickly. Also they probably would't age so fast and the kaminoans would't need to create so many of them. (Sorry if I spelled someting wrong, since English isn't my first language)

[@kylebittner1327]

Han Solo had carbon sickness that caused him to be blind for a few hours in return of the jedi. I think it was 3 years but I'm not 100% sure. That could have factored in but I think that would have been a great idea

[@blackc1479]

I get your point, and in legends some spent time in "suspended animation" between deployments. But its never as far as i know been addressed officially. And yeah, in universe, carbon freeze was something no vaguely sentient being would agree to.

[@gipsydangeramericasmonster9632]

Asides from the potential side effects of being frozen in carbonite, it would be a hassle to freeze, unfreeze, then refreeze a person for emergency reserve

[@qr-code6334]

@@kylebittner1327 Han was frozen for 1 year.

[@DudeCrazy198]

Isn’t there also cryostatis where individuals have minimal effects but can stay asleep for years upon years

[@thesurp72520]

Who would win: The Virgin Stormtroopers Or The Chad Clone Troopers

[@scoutman66]

Virgin First Order Stormtroopers

[@sayedmohidulislam8102]

@@scoutman66 they are better than snoke

[@scoutman66]

@@sayedmohidulislam8102 It's not hard to be better than a guy that got beaten by a random girl from a desert planet and his emo Darth Vader cosplayer apprentice

[@sayedmohidulislam8102]

@@scoutman66 i could beat him too with my broom stick

[@Etzelsschizo]

Virgin Clone: -Expensive -Basically a Child soldier -Feared and hated by the common civilians. -Dies very early. -Can get manipulated by anyone who knows Order 66. -Had to prosecute deserters. -Betrayed their former Jedi Generals. -Bad in melee combat. Vs. The Chad Stormtrooper: -Cheap armor and Equipment, also don't expensive to produce. -Adult soldier -Liked and respected by their people. -Lives a long life as his life isn't accelerated. -Doesn't change his mind, stays focused on his orders. -Don't need to prosecute deserters, no one deserted in 20 years. -Never betrayed the empire and continued fighting after the civil war. -Perfectly trained in melee combat

[@arthurbriand2175]

Can you do a comparative, economic and strategic study of the clone trooper program, the stormtrooper program and the first order storm trooper program? I always wondered why the First order seemed to combine the flawed nature of stormtroopers and the costs of raising a soldier from infancy.

[@GenerationTech]

first order had a man power issue and i think their recruiting method was shaky at best (basically stealing kids from backwards and impoverished planets)

[@pyeitme508]

@@GenerationTech ok

[@sentaikng]

I wanna know too, but just to see if the average clone was worth more than 2,000 credits. RIP Echo as a bargaining chip.

[@godzillakaijuboy]

Stormtroopers: Have a built in anti-stealthing tech by having an audio recorder in their helmet Rebels: imma pretend I didn't see that

[@seancarroll9849]

Simply put, if you want the best military, you need the strongest troops possible. Palpatine left himself open to rot from within for not utilizing the resource the Clone Troopers represented.

[@wannabeslav]

Sure clones are expensive, but they aren't as costly as having to build legions of star destroyers only to be blown up or heavily damaged after one battle. Not to mention clones won't completely flunk an attack because they aren't over ambitious or just plain terrible commanders

[@gipsydangeramericasmonster9632]

Star destroyers were really outnumbered in most cases, or had less shielding. Putting 1 or 2 star destroyers in a group and calling it a fleet is like calling two birds a flock.

[@michaelsmith622]

Officer klennic and Grand Moff Tarkin are proof of those failures. Ambition, Greed, Lies, Sabtoging each other's planes just to keep the other from getting ahead. And more importantly jealousy and paranoia.

[@shadowstryker640]

New episode of Bad Batch was pretty good

[@flux_switch25]

Can’t wait to watch it!

[@doglover334]

It was absolutely filler though

[@truebricks9299]

@@doglover334 agreed

[@Serenade2461]

@@doglover334 ya, hubby was hoping it would be a 40 min long episode and figured it would be just filler as soon as he saw it was 26 mins long.

[@joejr.537]

Yes

[@hertochman]

Wow this is the first time KZbin gives me a notification that’s not 2 weeks too late.

[@More_hobo.v]

2 years late💀

[@jonathanng2390]

Clones are expensive and produced from a third party that Sidious has limited control of. Storm Troopers were a natural evolution for the Empire"s interest

[@jamezzz0035]

Stormtrooper: Patrols are boring... Clone troopers: First time?

[@jamiewalsh3349]

Clones may have lost their jobs to Stormtroopers but they got the last laugh in the end.

[@lerneanlion]

Every time I see Crosshair unjustly order the exectuions of those civilians, thinking of the destruction of the first Death Star made me feel very satisfying.

[@davidjones341]

Down with the empire up with the phoenix.

[@rhett5058]

Makes me salute our fallen legion of janitors.

[@GabePlaysYT]

Great video! going further on the bit about individuality was how bits of Mandolorian culture snuck in as well, especially through soldiers like Kal Skirita and the Cuy'val Dar. The Mandolorian culture gave them a further sense of honor, family, and purpose which made them even more effective soldiers. None of this changed the overall loyalty of the GAR to the Republic, with or without the Disney inclusion of inhibitor chips. So Palpatine's paranoia about disloyal soldiers and wanting a larger, more effective military actually ended up costing him on both counts.

[@Mgauge]

Keeping smaller scale cloning program to make elite troopers for special assignments would have probably been ideal for Palpatine's needs.

[@caiolimacaldas]

Imo, i agree they was more loyal during the 66 order due the Chips in their brains.

[@laisphinto6372]

I take loyalty over programming any day

[@uglyjihad]

Why not just put chips in the storm troopers?? I mean it's not impossible

[@caiolimacaldas]

@@uglyjihad and the Clones was much more organized than the Storm troopers.

[@plushiesdx]

@@uglyjihad It would make less people want to join the corps. Plus, it's probably expensive

[@erikgodby824]

Captain Rex said it in rebels "I can't see anything in this helmet!"

[@fabioartoscassone9305]

Clone 1 to Clone 2" ehy, man. why u look at me with that face?u want to disrespect me?" Clone 2 : "sorry.i thought u was my mirror"

[@donaldseth5492]

Question : When Order 66 happened, why didn't the Jedi use mind tricks on the CLones to make them think they weren't Jedi????

[@nobleman9393]

Would you use An unreliable method to save your life when reliable methods are available to you?

[@donaldseth5492]

@@nobleman9393 If there were reliable methods, why did so many of them die?

[@nobleman9393]

@@donaldseth5492 Because Reliable doesn't mean successful

[@donaldseth5492]

@@nobleman9393 Reliable tends to mean that it works most of the time.

[@joshuahogan3475]

The vast majority simply didn't jave time to try. The attacks came as a complete surprise. In the comics one Jedi DID use a mind trick to convince the clones hunting him to gun down some Inquisitors. He convinced them anyone holding a light saber was, by definition, a Jedi... ...after dropping his lightsaber of course.😄

[@CognetoBurrito]

I wonder... if Palpatine hadn't of spent all that money on two Death Star's, how many clone troopers could he have bought instead? (Assuming the betrayal and hostile takeover of Kamino didn't happen)

[@ehanboshoff4825]

We forgot one disadvantage: aim Clone aim = god tier Stormtrooper aim = why is the tree jumping in front of my target

[@ullvoid220]

They were ordered to miss it's not their fault

[@houseofaction]

Obi wan specifically states that NO ONE IS AS PRECISE A SHOT as the stormtroopers

[@Ojuis.]

@@houseofaction well no he was on Tatooine he means no one could have that aim on that planet unless it was a storm trooper because there were Bounty hunters yes but they wouldnt attack without getting paid and the tusken raiders woukd def raid them but they cant aim so it must be stormtroopers

[@floriansteininger347]

That joke is so old.

[@MiguelARomero954]

COULDN'T YOU HAVE UPLOADED THIS A FEW DAYS EARLIER??? I NEEDED THIS FOR A PROJECT THAT I WAS DOING FOR SCHOOL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@user-Jay178]

I feel like to keep the clones in the empire they need to have secret clone facility around the galaxy and make them resistance to biological weapons that target clones. Great video

[@jeromeantony5930]

Thanks for the update

[@sparr-o2465]

Palpatine: Clones are too expensive and not worth risking our economy. Also Palpatine: Let’s build a second Death Star!

[@richardchild6708]

Clone are more adaptive to combat, and experience is important when your in the battlefields.

[@adorablecenturion8436]

If Rebels ever got word of Kamino, they could have wiped out the cloning facilities or something and completely stop the flow of new clones, if the Empire were to stay with clones. They'd also have to find someone else to use as a template for their clone army.

[@WD-41469]

It’s hard to come up with a surprise army without the clones. Family members would talk, etc. Once the need for surprise is gone, conscription makes the most sense.

[@boopie6635]

next do the advantages the stormtrooper has over the clones, as there is many as much as a prequelboo will say otherwise

[@macekreislahomes1690]

Mabey Clones for offensive and special forces while useing Storm Troopers for defencive roles and Law enforcement.

[@crimson_axi5892]

I love how you brought the Battlefront 2 (PS2) campaign into this discussion

[@wolfu597]

Cloning may have discontinued after the rise of the Empire, but the knowledge and the tools to make clones weren't forgotten. 5 years after the battle of Endor, Grand admiral Thrawn uses the Emperors secret underground cloning facility on the planet of Wayland, to create crew members to man the approximately 200 pre-Clone war dreadnoughts, aka the lost Katana fleet, which he managed to rediscover and capture before the New Republic can intervene.

[@LordWeems]

The largest issues with clones was the rapid aging, the cost, and the need for a base template that was worth the work to secure Find a way to double growth for the first 10 or so years, then have it slow when they hit maturity. Sorta like a hacked version of puberty. Make those your soldiers and your pilots. Let them move around in the ranks and positions freely. Then simply recruit for anything you're missing or dont wanna fill with valuable fighters like service techs, dock work, medics, repair services, etc but let exceptional ones be considered for high rank positions and the like. Maybe even use *that* as a way to find your next base template

[@shaquilleoatmeal911]

Darth Sidious : "Yo we turned the republic into a galactic empire just like Julius Caesar." Imperial 1 : "We should improve our military by replacing aging clones with OP black droids." Imperial 2 : "We should get improved Royal Guards to protect Darth Sidious better." Imperial 3 : "Why don't we replace our very accurate and powerful clones with soldiers that can't aim." *proceeds to yeet the imperial*

[@ThePossumCatcher]

The Kaminoans tried to warn Grand Moff Tarkin that clones are better than conscripts and he wouldn’t listen!!! 😫😫😫 If only Emperor Palpatine and Grand Moff Tarkin had gotten Cad Bane’s DNA and made armies of Duros Clones backed by hordes of B1 Battle Droids, the Rebellion would have been destroyed!!! 😫😫😫

[@endeavor3406]

If i was Tarkin i would keep the clones ofc they are loyal and bred for war and maybe also battle droids because they are loyal but not as good as clones

[@ikeaman7247]

Those emojis hurt my brain

[@ShawnHCorey]

One thing the new empire needs in stormtroopers is numbers. It's going to need a lot more than even Kamino can provide. On the other hand, it will need the clones for much longer than it can imagine.

[@kauske]

The cost of cloning is pretty artificial, resource wise since they age faster, they cost far less than a normal human that takes 18-20 years to reach their physical apex. The issue here was outsourcing, if the Empire brought creation of clones in-house it would literally only cost them food. You have to pay even conscripts, both have to be equipped, fed, healed and housed. Being that the clones are literally slaves they would be the cheaper option without Kamino putting some sort of crazy markup on the cost of raising them. Sure, the cost of raising normal children is deferred from the government in a way, but it still costs your society resources. It's a very narrow view that thinks 'well, it's free to me' and just rolls with it. That lack of wholistic vision is probably why the empire was so bad at _everything._

[@TheMameBus]

Does anybody else remember that one clone wars episode that revolved around the republic literally going broke and breaking the economy due to the cost of clones?

[@TgamerBio5529]

Why didn’t they just kept a small battalion as a special force units while keeping the stormtroopers as infantry ?

[@fabioartoscassone9305]

dont insult "infantry". infantry usually his something...

[@weegee_darthno4045]

Stormtroopers arent infantry.....

[@fabioartoscassone9305]

@@weegee_darthno4045 yeah are losery uahahahahaah

[@weegee_darthno4045]

@@fabioartoscassone9305 That ain't funny......they are the elite shock trooper corps of the empire, they are the embodiment of order in the galaxy capable of going into any environment, they some times stay on battle stations and capital ships to guard areas.

[@fabioartoscassone9305]

@@weegee_darthno4045 and they lose every single time engaged by rebels,MISSING completely the point

[@palpadur1112]

disadvantage number nine that the Stormtroopers have vs the Clone Troopers: "I'm a soldier, like you! This is what I was bred for." - Clone 99 that hit to the feels made my eyeballs sweat.

[@wheelyone8269]

Another advantage is infiltration. These clones lived alongside each other for years, it would be so difficult for a rebel to don the armour of one and act and sound like a clone that it would be impossible. Admittedly, this is also a downside as a clone would find it difficult to be a rebel unless they properly deserted - a very rare occurrence

[@cyberfux]

You want to tell me that there are different sizes in uniform? We had one size back in the day: OSFN:One Size Fits Noone!

[@fabioartoscassone9305]

Clone after a year of active duty, in a pub with other comrades "fuck, ever the same FACES, here or in active duty"

[@mageeaaron2624]

This was awesome!!!

[@ethanworner864]

A US army infantryman will go through 22 weeks of training, a US marine will go through 4 days less, and British infantrymen go through 26 weeks. During WW2, an infantryman would go through basic training in 8-17 weeks

[@thecrazycatgentleman6188]

I imagine not having a lifetime of training(or 8 years in general), not being bonded to your platoon from birth, and not being on the side of the protagonists come into play

[@gipsydangeramericasmonster9632]

The ability to mass produce an army is valuable, in all aspects. Hence why the separatists had a good idea on HOW to get their numbers, but the flaws vastly outnumbered the pros

[@sterasigma8734]

I don't know which is worse really, possible war fatigue over losing your loved ones (since many Stormtroopers obviously have families and/or friends) or paying overpriced Space Apple employees to create what is essentially a slave army. You know, why didn't the Empire simply pick up war orphans and young street urchins, divide them with vocational tests and train them accordingly, while indoctrinating them into staunch Imperial loyalists? They could be just as loyal with a lower cost of production and upkeep. It's not like poor children - if left to their own devices - could amount to anything beyond scum and villainy in that galaxy. They could be relatively easily reintegrated into society during peacetime since military specialist training is desirable in the civilian sector, while also serving as living examples of Imperial benevolence.

[@jbtdmc]

Clone Troopers can hit a target, a Stormtrooper can't hit the broad side of a barn =:0)

[@cooldime3086]

Notification gang 🌟 love your videos btw

[@KINGAGATHOST]

Flashbacks to OG battlefront 2 flying over Coruscant as a "marine"

[@Swap-511.0]

Stromtrooper Advantage: OH wait, did I wrote that ? Yeah Stromtooper don't have

[@neilbodwell9172]

Allan I love your videos, but what do you ride bro? I picked up motorcycles when I was 20. Started on a zx6r, then moved to a zx14 and have stayed on the zx14 for the last 9 years. I'm down to ride with you anytime.

[@tylermartin9017]

Clones would’ve made the empire last waaaay longer he messed up on that one

[@tba113]

Universal equipment... Well, that's true, 1) military gear for non-clones only comes in two sizes - "too large" and "too small" - so it's not like opening a second production line or adding the ability to adjust the fit of a piece of gear would be that difficult; and 2) the Kaminoans still managed to screw up the fit with Phase 1 gear anyway, which was overly heavy and restricted the clones' movements due to poor design.

[@Uwuz863]

The clones were good but Palpatine wanted more than a strong military. He wanted to have people believe in his empire, and partake in it willingly, which is why the clones were discontinued

[@D50Music]

It makes no sense, it’s like replacing your brand new sports car for a reliant Robbin 😂

[@unnamedncrtrooper4545]

9: the clones can fucking aim

[@mandoreviews7245]

Do a video on what kind of Navy and Army the United States defense budget can buy

[@nobleman9393]

Half a Star Destroyer, I guess

[@mandoreviews7245]

@@nobleman9393 Nah look at Generation Tech’s video on money in Star Wars it’s almost a 1 for 1 ratio between the dollar and credit. So I’d be curious on what they could do

[@derektakeno2192]

Seeing as how the Stormtrooper program is a small shock force of elite troopers, Clones make sense. But for rank and file, conscripts are cheaper cannon folder.

[@19kiloM1Tanker]

Have you read Republic commandos by Karen Traviss? They were as good as the bad batch and fit in at the same level of the bad batch. They, in the end, went Rouge. Would like to see a comparison of omega and delta squads and the bad batch.

[@jayskywalker245]

Aim was a big disadvantage for bucketheads

[@Jordan-bg7xc]

They only had to make 3 changes to the clone army to make it 10x better and take away a few of its down sides. 1. Get multiple different types of clones so they are less susceptible to bio warfare. 2. Spread cloneing facilities across the galaxy to prevent loss of production from one being destroyed and also improve the speed and numbers of troops produced. 3. Regularly check the clones chips to prevent damaged ones from rebelling. Geting rid of clones completely was stupid should have used both clones as the elite and storm troopers as standerd troops if not just some kind of police force

[@oliverkromann1902]

i personally hope we get to see the kamino uprising, would be more visual than the original mission from BF2

[@tba113]

Jumping universes, but on the bond of brotherhood... Imperial Guard Stormtroopers in 40K - "Astra Militarum Tempestus Scions" in the new naming convention - aren't genetically engineered in vitro like Kaminoan clones are, but they _are_ trained basically from birth, and as cohesive units. They grow up as a cohort/graduating class in the Stormtrooper program of a Schola Progenium (the same Imperium school that produces Commissars and Adepta Sororitas), and are posted to Guard regiments as a self-contained unit. The advantage of this is that they've literally known each other and trained together all their lives, and intuitively know how the entire team of Stormtroopers will react to something. The disadvantage, though, is that from day one, that unit is on borrowed time because it cannot be reinforced when a trooper gets hurt or killed. I mean, you could bring in fresh blood from the Schola to reconstitute the unit, and they'll be well-trained and well-equipped, but the FNG's will always be outsiders to the Stormtrooper squad and won't have the reflexive bond of trust that made the original unit so effective. Usually, once a unit of Stormtroopers falls below fire-team strength (about five guys) the unit is formally disbanded, the surviving troops are assigned to line infantry units, and a request is put in with the Munitorum for another batch of Stormtroopers. Commissar Cain thought the practice was a little strange, since it left a Guard regiment with special-forces units that were almost always at only partial strength.

[@piercepayumo4212]

Clone Troopers have better aim and skill compared to Stormtroopers.

[@GenerationTech]

yea that's for sure

[@unscdarknoblemedia9585]

The clone troopers have better aim due to their helmets. Rex pointed that out in Rebels

[@trollzynisaacjohan1793]

@@unscdarknoblemedia9585 better training as well. They're clones of jango fett.

[@unscdarknoblemedia9585]

@@trollzynisaacjohan1793 that may be true, but look at the stormtroopers helmet vs a clone troopers helmet. Bucket design helps with aiming at a target.

[@stryletz]

You forgot to take into account Jango's degrading genetic sample. The Clones were getting less efficient with each batch, more and more were being "born" will genetic variations, most not useful to The Empire. It would have eventually gotten to a point where The Empire would be paying a premium price for fewer troopers that don't have much of an advantage over enlisted soldiers.

[@billcollecter4728]

Yeah stormtroopers are less efficient and even though clones are more expensive but better so you might need less clones.

[@chadpeterson5698]

Me personally if I were Palpatine I would keep clone troopers around but as specialized units such as rocket troopers, flametroopers, and even Death Troopers.

[@jay-t1030]

Not to mention the Phase || Clone Trooper armor look way cooler than the standard Stormtrooper armor.

[@realfallengang]

Let's go nice drip brotha

[@matthewnguyen5325]

Woudl've been better if they held onto clone troopers for longer, used them as a buffer as they implement storm troopers, and could've used storm troopers as regular army grunts while using clone troopers as more specialized infantry (like Army and Marines relationship)

[@xfatboy35x29]

Clone Troopers - Pay-to-win Storm Trooper - Grind-to-compete

[@josepalacios8530]

The empire couldn't stay with the clones because: - The Kaminoans were suspicious and had a hidden army to fight the impire and they knew that - The Jango gen was deteriorated - Due to the incredible intelligence clones had, lot of them would have rise against the empire - Expensive af (if they just forced the kaminoans to do it for free, they would just fight the empire)

[@arandomcrusader6707]

Guys who were literally bred for war and trusting the emperor vs some random guys who where recruited into a army and has absolutely no aim whatsoever.

[@Alastoriguess]

wouldn't it be great if in episode 7 our heros (that I hoped changes) find Kamino and use clones again or heck even the first order but no we still get more useless troopers that did nothing in another 3 movies good job Disney proud of u

[@Regibump37]

An easy answer, their answer wasn’t as cool as ours.

[@edge_ucation]

Can anyone please teach those stormtroopers how to shoot? They were bested by a blind force sensitive monk that didn't even weild a light Saber. And their blasters don't even have sights, which is the bear minimum for delivering controlled bursts. Sure, maybe there is a camera on the blaster that links to their helmet, but you better hope that never breaks down. It never hurts to have something to fall back on.

[@dc9145]

Can you do what if Earth joined the galactic republic

[@crsrdash-840b5]

I think when cloning a clone trooper, there should be a way to end the accelaration after 2-3 years (much like animals go though from birth to full adult). That way they can live longer lives. however, i see why they continue to age by design. emporor wanted the clones to 'die out' sooner after the war came to an end.

[@Bly-CC-5052]

I think it’s better to look at it from the empires POV. The nature of the conflicts they were fighting didn’t require them to maintain a top of the line army that was more expensive. They were fighting guerrilla warfare and garrisoning the galaxy. It would also be easier to use human recruits because people didn’t fear humans as much as they did clones. the fett dna was degrading as well and they wouldn’t be able to maintain cloning production. I think both the clone troopers and the storm troopers were the best units for the conflicts they each participated in.

[@villageidiot3763]

The main reason I think palpating didn’t need the clones was because there was no longer a war to fight. Therefore no need for that strong of a military. That and his confidence in the Death Star and various other super weapons and super soldier programs he was funding

[@yasuke1709]

I wonder who would win out of a squad of clone troopers or a squad of strom troopers outfitted in Beskar

[@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS]

Clone troopers, they have experience killing mandalorians

[@anonymous-rb2sr]

But how can he trust something that didnt exist yet? 😕

[@jiaweichew3370]

The best advantage the clones has was that they are so multi role that a small unit could in theory man almost the entire vehicle selection in the army resulting in clones being able to rotate positions in the event of high casualties to specific skills like clone gunners or arc 170 pilots or gunners.

[@Da_one_tl]

I don’t understand Tarkin saying the clone program is an expensive program when he is a higher up in the dictatorship that makes the money

[@captainvanghn]

The 9th disadvantage: the helmets and armour the helmet are offered close to no visibility the made it impossible to hit shots, and the armour we've seen clones take several shots and not die but with Stormtroopers the armour was made out of I forget but I do remember it was weaker than clone armour causing Stormtroopers to go down in a single hit

[@luissantiago5163]

Oh awesome! Cheers

[@robertagu5533]

Allen forgot to mention the Clones paid for all the DLCs too. Level grinding must be hard when you cant see a thing through your helmet an sights never seem to work on your weapons