8 Hardtails Under $800 - 2020 Mountain Bikes

[@downtoridemtb]

Thanks for watching the video! There is no way I could have gotten all the bikes available. Some people have mentioned good ones in the comments. A lot of people bring up the Trek Marlin. It’s ok and Trek is a solid company. I just don’t like the XC style geometry or the limited tire width compatibility.

[@P-Cubed2000]

Last time I looked they were mostly triples up front as well, maybe that's changed though but I'm too lazy to look.

[@brendanbarr5080]

Great video the trek marlin 7 2021 is definitely worth a look. 1 x 10 deore and Judy rockshox

[@downtoridemtb]

Trek has made some good changes for 2021. Will certainly make it in my next video in this series.

[@edwinornelas1456]

The Bad thing about most of those bikes are out of stock

[@downtoridemtb]

Yeah bike sales have gone crazy in the current global situation. Biking is one of the few things people can still do. I’m curious how the used market will be once this stuff is all over.

[@junboo8730]

Down to Ride MTB Haha that is so true but it will be mostly Walmart stuff. People will fall in love with your recommendations.

[@jonlynn9693]

Edwin Ornelas and HEAVY

[@Robelrealtor]

Local bike shops have them

[@michaelp5700]

I got the Marin San Quentin just in time! There were only 8 left in Marin's warehouse when my bike shop ordered mine.

[@ShinobiVuDU]

I REALLY appreciate your engagement in the comments and answering people's questions. I'm sure it's time consuming but shows you care. Thanks.

[@downtoridemtb]

Thanks! I do. I’m just happy to spread the knowledge. It’s all stuff I wish I would have know when I started riding. Although I may have been too stubborn to listen.

[@shwndh]

The Vitus Nucleus is hands down the best bike on the list. Shimano 1x10 drivetrain with clutch derailleur and 11/46 cassette, air fork, hollow BB axle, WTB i30 rims, and modern geometry with tappered HT and 66.5 deg HTA and routing for a dropper for $750. That's a killer deal! All options out of stock as well. Very nice comparisons.

[@setaom6212]

Thank you I’ve been looking for someone to say what the best was since I’m insanely new to mountain biking, I’ve had a cheap bike until now and have looked for a new good one only to find out that I have no clue how to find a good one.

[@Kingepticon]

Newb question, would you recommend the 27 or the 29?

[@408SPLKINGS]

@@Kingepticon Sm 5'5" - 5'7" 26" md 5'8" - 5'10" 27.5" lg 5'11" - 6'2" 27.5" / 29 " Xl 6'3" + 29" Observations from my riding club

[@SHENDOH]

I've been riding an ancient KONA Joe Murray for decades. Currently researching bikes and this video has been a real help. Thank you for enlightening me. I really appreciate it

[@downtoridemtb]

Glad to spread some knowledge. Good luck with your purchase!

[@koobs4549]

The 2020 GT Avalanche Comp also has a clutch.

[@FinnsDirtbikeClips]

That’s a thing on bikes

[@downtoridemtb]

It’s a misleading terminology when compared to cars or motorcycles. It’s basically a stronger spring in the derailleur that keeps the chain more snug and prevents chain drops.

[@saltysteel3996]

Just ordered a Fuji Nevada 29 1.9. 499.99 bucks. Free shipping and no taxes. Fuji is one of the top brands that gets over looked often. They're damn good bikes. Been making bikes for over 120 years.

[@trap7196]

Agree with you on the Fujis. I have a Fuji road bike (Roubaix 1.3) from 2014 I think... Still ride it all the time.

[@joshd2861]

Loved this video. I will say I literally had another window open and tried to find every single bike and each was out of stock. Glad people are riding affordable-ish bikes more! (always look on the bright side)

[@downtoridemtb]

Thanks! Yeah hopefully they will be back in stock soon. I have another vid coming out in the next day or two with a handful of other bikes at the same price point. No idea the stock on those though.

[@kielherman3237]

You can definitely setup the Vitus Nucleus tubeless with the stock setup, I currently have mine setup that way, also they aren't wire-bead tires either.

[@downtoridemtb]

Thanks for clarifying that you can do it. Specs say they are the Comp level tires which WTB says require and innertube. But either way, if you can do it then that is what matters.

[@FlyingGrimaud]

Somebody stole my Haro HT and after having rode that on trails and road since 2013, I have to say I agree with you on the gearing. I want my next bike to be a 1x10 instead of a 3x8. I ended up having problems with it (especially if I ever let someone inexperienced ride it). Perfect timing for this video and by far the most informational one on KZbin that I have found so far.

[@downtoridemtb]

Man that’s a bummer someone stole your bike. At least it gives you the chance to upgrade and I’m glad this video has helped you out. Good luck with your choice!

[@FlyingGrimaud]

Down to Ride MTB It’s a bummer but I’m not going to let it keep me down. I’m looking into the GT. Looks nice and would be a good change from what I’m used to.

[@downtoridemtb]

Yeah I think the GT is interesting with that seat tube design. Test ride what you can to see what you like most.

[@FlyingGrimaud]

Down to Ride MTB I just bought the last hardtail under $1,000 in most of OKC. Almost everyone is sold out everywhere. Ended up getting a Fuji Tahoe 29 1.5 for $899 which was a steal if you ask me. I’m not sure if you know much about the bike shortage but it would make for an interesting video. I couldn’t get a vitus neclues or a GT avalanche online or in stores anywhere.

[@downtoridemtb]

That is a sick deal on that bike! Yeah the bike shortage is worse than I had realized

[@dysco9858]

I think it’s awesome how bike crazy America has gotten recently. (It’s only slightly annoying that the bike I was saving for is now completely sold out). I hope everyone keeps riding though!

[@AdrianYM]

Its nuts with the "shelter at home" in place. There are literally lines out the door at my local bike shops.

[@bayarearob]

I love my Scott scale hard tail 29" for all the hill climbing and long trail rides. Don't ride for downhill, but love the grind of the climbs

[@radekpodsiadly2755]

Try Polish company called Dartmoor👍

[@Camnio1]

The thing - for me - about the Kona bike is: 1st u get a lifetime Warranty on all (except Carbon) Kona-frames & 2nd they offer it in Size S as 29" - vitus, gt, specialized & trek for example dont have this size or only with 27.5" wheels - makes it for all ppl under 170cm lookin for a 29er very interesting. It has a tapered Head Tube & the frame easily fits a 130mm travel fork. All in all (even if some parts or at least the fork needs to be upgraded) the geometry feels very good and the bike worth the money to me. More like a solid base than a ready to race bike - but what do u expect for this prize? Ordered it for 550€ (~600$) - since the Vitus isnt available for a while now & around 750€ - it was the best deal for me.

[@mervinmiguel9466]

vitus nucleus will be available at chain reaction at the end of this month.

[@kanishkamarasinghe9354]

SHHHHHHHH dont say anything :)

[@nicosebrooks5076]

Just grabbed GT avalanche comp in the 29er! One of the only hardtails I could find this late in the season with the way bikes have been selling this summer ! The review really helped make my decision and sort through what entry level hardtails are worth looking into. Used to ride BMX and trails when inwas a kid, and im looking to get back into the sport, and have a bike I can upgrade as reignite my passion for the sport! Thanks !

[@downtoridemtb]

Awesome that you found one! Enjoy it!

[@ekims_echoes]

I've had the San Quentin 1 for a few weeks now and was stoked to get it for $830. It sold out of most online stores soon after I got it. Anyway, the pics on the Marin site specifically for the 1 are just the 1. Each "trim level" has its own color scheme with the 1 getting two options. On the tires, they apparently changed from Schwalbe to Vee after those pics were done. I'm super happy with what I got. The fork isn't great, but it's not worthless either. Sure, I look forward to upgrading it, but I've been okay with it for now. The pedals seem really cheap. I didn't even bother installing them, opting instead for the alloy flats I had already. I also had a dropper post and lock on grips that I just installed from the get go. It's definitely an upgrade platform, but still good fun out of the box. I have no regrets with my purchase.

[@erraldstyler]

SQ1 GANG

[@jamesscully6687]

There's a bike store near me and TBH I just like going in there and looking at the bikes 😂

[@downtoridemtb]

Lol, I try to avoid them because it just makes me want to buy more bikes!

[@jamesscully6687]

@@downtoridemtb ik I don't have the money so I just talk to the guys there about them 🤣

[@tenzin8745]

Yeah me too buddy I'm only looking bcuz I have no money😬😂😂

[@LuisGarciaSprout]

Same hahaha

[@alfiehobson9695]

Why is this the most relatable comment in the world.

[@F1air_]

I just got a specialized rock hopper for 600 before tax, and it is amazing! It handles everything really smoothly, and is an amazing bike in general. My dad also has the giant talon, and got it for 750 pretax, and also loves it.

[@xocnibor]

I really appreciate the effort you put into this video - very informative. Thanks!

[@downtoridemtb]

Glad to help!

[@icon0clast274]

I bought a Diamondback Line after a bunch of research. Was able to get it off Amazon, shipped to my door after my work fitness program for 89$. One thing to mention that you didn't is it is tubeless ready, just need to tape the rim and go from there. One thing to mention is it has a straight steer tube so fork upgrades are limited.

[@downtoridemtb]

Holy crap! That is the deal of the century! Thanks for pointing out those things too.

[@zachcyr9377]

The kona blast is a little more expensive but the geometry is amazing! The components are good and it feels great on the trails.

[@suparobb]

Kona is the best , just bought kona lava dome on 29 po really good bike

[@StevenDoesStuff]

I bought the Giant Talon 3 (29) because the TREK marlin 5 was out of stock, here's my honest review as a beginner who had a lot of questions (you probably are too): -The bike looks beautiful, aesthetic wise, bike was larger than in the pictures when I got one that fit me. -The bike rides beautifully, front shifters can be smoother but rear shifters are very nice. -I ride it for long hours on mountains, grass, gravel etc for my KZbin bike blogs, it does fine. -I brought the bike on a MTB trail and abused the hell out of it, I crashed and crashed as I practiced my MTB skills. After all the abuse, here's two apparent things: 1) The chain drops when I crashed two times, so it's not that big of a deal because it only dropped when I was stopped and my crash shaked the whole chain around. 2) The pedal is made of plastic and doesn't have the metallic nubs that more expensive bikes have, so every time I leaned too low and hit the floor with my pedals, it kind of shaves off the grips. What can be done to improve it? 1) Get metallic pedals 2) Install a dropper post if you intend to do some serious mountain biking. Overall satisfaction: Very satisfied. I bought the bike for $560 and it's worth every penny, considering the abuse I made it go through, it only had those two minor issues. A lot of beginners tend to give up the sport after their first time out on a trail and crashing left and right, so I would recommend getting an affordable hard-tail and outgrowing it with practice before moving onto $1000+ bikes. Check out the videos on my channel for reference, I'll put up a more "technical" MTB trail video soon.

[@downtoridemtb]

Thanks for sharing your real world thoughts on the bike. Your two improvement are relevant to this bike and most others. Included pedals are usually garbage and should be replaced almost immediately.

[@bikeegupta3350]

Hi, thanks for the video. Really did help me understand few things. Just wanted to when are you making a 2021 under 800$ list?

[@downtoridemtb]

This one is close… 7 under $750: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIS8gGNteqehmZo

[@Flyanb]

Last year I bought the Kona Fire Mountain for my son, which is the 27.5” version of the lava dome. I got it off the floor as a demo with some scuffs for 575$ no biggie, we are just going to bash it down the trail. Put some nice pedals, grips and converted to tubeless and that thing rides great! On paved trails you NEVER run out of gears up or down and it’s a very solid although heavier frame. I prefer this to my much more expensive Big Honzo, for pavement riding. The fork is weak though, and I’m debating whether or not it’s worth upgrading. Also thinking about adding a dropper, I put a dropper on the cinder cone that my wife rides it’s a 27.5”, and it transformed that bike into a shredder. I LOVE MY KONAS!

[@phabeondominguez5971]

Nice, so knowing what you know now, what would YOU recommend for a first time bike, mainly trail riding and some downhill here an there.. all input welcome!! oNe

[@Flyanb]

I would not recommend that for a trail bike, in stock form, it is a great bike for paved trails and town riding, but not off road. I ordered a Roxshox Judy fork for it about 1&1/2 months ago, that will dramatically improve performance but it’s adding 400$ to total cost, and probably dropper next spring another 400$. I would recommend the Big Honzo for trail riding and light downhill. The + tire and the roxshox lyric fork and dropper seatpost makes it very capable bone stock but cost upfront hurts more at $2,300. US still a great deal for a ride that NEVER lets me down or leaves me without smiles. I will maybe buy another one in the spring for my wife. The 2.8” tire is sooooo much fun!

[@phabeondominguez5971]

@@Flyanb so what do YOU recommend if I may ask? Green/Blue trial riding and some downhill..

[@Flyanb]

Phabeon Dominguez the Kona Kahuna or Cinder cone is a great place to start it will safely teach you about what you might want in the future. They are the same components just Kahuna is 29” wheel and cinder cone is 27.5” I bought cinder cone for my wife and put pedals and grips and KS lev dropper post on it and that bike is fantastic. If you want, the Honzo is a great bargain it’s essentially those other bikes upgraded with some better components for a little more$ I bought for me the big honzo dL they used to be priced at 2300$ but MUCH nicer everything, fork and bottom bracket, dropper and wheels and it has the 2.8-27.5” tire. That bike is soooo fun to ride, on the MTB trails. NOT fun on paved trails that’s when I ride the Fire MTN. Though I am upgrading that bike to make it more blue-green friendly with a front fork. My advice is buy more than you think you need because your skill will outgrow the cheaper bikes fast. If I had to do it again I’d go straight to the Honzo DL or the Big Honzo DL. The big honzo fatter tire is much more difficult around town to pedal but sooooo much more forgiving on the MTB trails. If you ride more pavement get the Honzo, more gravel or dirt or single track BIG HONZO FTW!!!! Buy once cry once I bought 4 bikes this year, ouchhhhh! All KONAS BTW, the nicest I bought was the process 134 DL for my promising 15 YO MTB racer son. That bike destroys everything it sees and asks for more, it rides sooo smooth, I am jealous ALLL the time. Maybe next year? I’m buying a WOZO fat bike for the winter soon, MN sucks in the winter and if you want to ride a full FAT tire is the only way to go. Good luck man, enjoy the process and know one size doesn’t fit all buy the tool for the job and don’t be afraid to go up a level or two initially you won’t regret spending more!

[@killingfields1424]

in the 90s theres an airshock or any other dsign that can be dialed for high jumping as in downhill and can be dialed to stay stiff hard and swingarm doesnt go snywhere for climbing or road trekking as in cross country. Nowadays you cant find one so you have to buy two bikes or three to do three things. The only bike that usually have those in the 90s is Cannondale V series ans Specialuzed with rear suspension settings on the spine similar to Yeti S100 with frame design like a cross country bikes

[@wadepratt9654]

One thing you should look for is boost 148 on the back wheel spacing in the frame. It is tough to find wheelsets for 141 when wheel on the fork in the front is boost 110.

[@AndyyFilms]

Great video! As a beginner wanting to get into the sport, you've made so much easier.

[@downtoridemtb]

Thanks!

[@trystanpalmer3969]

One thing I think is worth mentioning with the Hook, Line, and Sync'r is the frame is only shared between the Hook and Line. If you can get your budget up to the Sync'r level you get boost thru axle on the rear and a tapered head tube which is well worth it in my opinion due to the better upgrade potential.

[@downtoridemtb]

Glad you pointed that out. Really strange that Diamondback would go through the trouble of priding different frames like that.

[@kenmack3713]

i am very new to this and looking to get in to biking thank you for doing this video it’s very helpful to me

[@downtoridemtb]

Glad to help and good luck on your purchase!

[@glennnichols4220]

My suggestion is to buy a cheap MB. In first MB was a $480 GT Agrresor and they still make them.

[@AdrianYM]

@@glennnichols4220 I also had a GT, I think it was an Avalanche. Great starter bike.

[@glennnichols4220]

@@AdrianYM hell ya I remember those. I don't like hatdtails but it is what I started on. To me that full suspension was really like the best for meeting everything on the ground and stable. You have to be a lot more technical of a rider for a hard tail. Can't wait to get back on a bike and back into shape

[@AdrianYM]

@@glennnichols4220 Just got back into it myself and picked up a Marlin 7 to get my feet wet. I haven't tried a full suspension yet so I dont really know what Im missing.

[@viperdemonz-jenkins]

still rocking my 2014 giant talon, giant makes some killer bikes.

[@ekims_echoes]

My younger brother stil rides the rigid Giant Sedona I bought in the mid 90's. The shifters did eventually wear out and I replaced them, but that was only a couple of years ago.

[@rockcrawling43]

Nice! I’m still rocking my 2011 Gian Talon.

[@bard1746]

I got the 2020 rockhopper expert 1x back in October and I love that thing! Its was a bit more $ than the one featured here but, it was worth it IMO.

[@straightbushin]

Good luck finding any of these bikes in stock right now, much less the size you need it in! Thanks for the video, I managed to pick up a Pitch Comp 1x. Originally was going for Talon 3, but shop owner sold the last one an hour before I got there

[@downtoridemtb]

Yeah stock is very low on entry level bikes. I see a flooded used market in the next 6 months or so.

[@mackofalltrades3155]

I just bought a giant talon last weekend. Pretax was 800 and so worth it. I love it!!!

[@downtoridemtb]

Excellent choice!

[@codybrown1925]

Just recently purchased the Vitus Nucleus 27 VR Bike (2 x 9) for my son, and I am very impressed with it. Perfect for him. Only thing I wish it had, is a derailleur with a clutch, but other than that it has been great for $650.

[@downtoridemtb]

It is a great overall package!

[@k1ortia]

i still got the hoodoo voodoo here in the UK, 5star award winner, had it 4 years and still like new. £600 new..joe murry frame.. awesome bike

[@sirRustyiron]

I was trying to get the voodoo bizango but sadly everything is out of stock in halfords, actually frustrating.

[@danagrimwood1434]

Great video. I gotta say I've rode half the bikes on the list here and for myself the 2020 Specialized Pitch is what I stuck with. Durable/reliable and a smooth ride. I'm 6'1 and 225lbs and the rims are still true after months of hard riding. Upgrading the coil spring front fork and the plastic to metal peddles makes a ton of difference as well. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@downtoridemtb]

Thanks for putting this out there. Real world riding is better than any video going over specs. Glad you got one you like. Looks like the Pitch and Rockhopper are now one in 2021.

[@danagrimwood1434]

@@downtoridemtb btw i hope thats a hint towards your next video. You're not just a hat rack my friend! Lol. Ive recommended your channel to a couple of my friends getting into the sport... I definitely suggest your insightful channel to all my of buddies getting into it.

[@downtoridemtb]

Thanks for the recommendations! I wish the hands on part was a hint but with supply still limited it’s hard to even buy a bike let alone get one on loan for a video review.

[@christophergarcia359]

Cool vid! I'm hoping to get the Vitus Nucleus VRS 27.5 next year around February. It will be my first mtb. Tho I've noticed that in the chain reaction cycles website, it doesn't say either they are out of stock or they are just not selling this bike anymore. That's one of my concerns. Hopefully some really good budget beginner mountain bikes are released next year. I really like your videos! Keep up the good work👍

[@downtoridemtb]

Thanks. Yeah they sell out quick as they get new batches. There is a stock notification that you can setup on their site. Good luck!

[@felixk79]

I ride a 1x10 with 11-36T and a 32 tooth chainring in the front and it works well for me. I did over 2300 feet of vertical on my last ride with no problem. Sure if you're gonna do a lot of steep and technical climbing having a lower gear will be nice but I'd say that for most people 11-36 is gonna work just fine

[@downtoridemtb]

It will definitely make you a better rider. I think it’s just kinda bad on the manufacturers at this price point. A certain $400 Walmart bike has that same (or maybe even better) 1x range. So come on bike companies, step it up!

[@giggygiggy1393]

Just got a Specialized Comp 2...pretty happy with it...all the bike shops here in Oz are low in stock.....glad i could grab this one.

[@downtoridemtb]

Awesome that you got it! As far as I understand supplies are low everywhere.

[@HunterErwinMusic]

Schwinn Axum 29er is a great Bike I Added a Rockshox Fork and a Raceface Bar Has 67 Degree head tube angle on it with a Tapered tube ! Added Mt200 Hyd brakes still close to this price on average . Enjoyed video thou ! Had to add a bit more But with what was added and what was spent was just a bit more than these a bit better than some of these with geometry etc.. for money spent

[@downtoridemtb]

That Axum is very tempting and if this was an under $600 list it would be on it no doubt even though it’s only $400.

[@HunterErwinMusic]

Down to Ride MTB Yes sir !! I paid 500$ for mine But it’s the dropper post model I’ve really enjoyed it Have done a few upgrades But it’s nice .. Thanks much for the reply !

[@downtoridemtb]

Yeah I’m super impressed with what they have done especially with a dropper. You have to spend twice that anywhere else for that feature.

[@HunterErwinMusic]

Down to Ride MTB Yes I know They seem to be watching the market Bad thing is It sold out in 4 weeks and not coming back to late summer I don’t think they knew what market would do on a price like that with it being upgradable as well..

[@rayr.1305]

Very well done, very useful for first time looking, saw new, unknown possibilities.

[@downtoridemtb]

Thanks!

[@coreyallen1090]

Great video...... any other video out there like this fuel $800-1k price range???? Looking at the CO OP DRT

[@downtoridemtb]

Thanks. I recently looked up the DRT because someone else mentioned it. The cheapest one seemed about right for what it was. The next one up, I think it was $950, didn’t really seem any better than these $800 bikes. But.... if they have them in stock then it’s not bad given the current situation.

[@coreyallen1090]

@@downtoridemtb I have $1k to spend after my trek 4300 got stolen on vacation 🥺.... understanding I'm just an average rider both off road and gravel/pavement as I ride with my kiddos alot and looking for reliability for sure. What are u recommending? I have a shortlist and would like to compare, if possible. It'd be appreciated

[@downtoridemtb]

To be honest, whatever you can find in stock from these videos. Or the CoOp DRT. It’s not bad especially if they are having any type of July 4th sale. Or if you can push the budget a bit, check out a video by Kobra Kyle similar time this one but for $1200 bikes.

[@jodyjanelle9637]

Just got a Specialized Pitch 27.5 for my My 11 yr old son. It's a bit big, (size medium) but he loves it and the bike shop said he'll grow into it by summer. So I just got one too. Upgraded from my 20 year old Giant Rincon. They're great on trails and the 2 x 8 drive train is great, as well as the hydraulic brakes. I might get a new front shock someday, but right now, they're great for us.

[@downtoridemtb]

That’s cool, matching bike with your son! Hope you both enjoy some biking adventures.

[@jodyjanelle9637]

@@downtoridemtb I got a large, but he made me get a different color!

[@TonySneed]

OMG! I got A 20 yr old Giant Rincon too. Thanks for the info.

[@downtoridemtb]

LOL

[@croomrider9785]

I’ve had a 2018 diamondback hook(hardtail) for the past two years. Bike has been great, no major problems. About to upgrade to a yt capra enduro full suspension bike! The hook was a great starter bike.

[@downtoridemtb]

Great choice for a beginner, especially in 2018.

[@Cla55clown]

Thank you! This video was very helpful for a noob like me trying to decipher all the terms and components of these modern MTB.

[@downtoridemtb]

Glad to help!

[@omerkurt9406]

Just got the Diamondback Line today as of May 20, 2020. I called about 10 shops for any mountain bike in size large, no one has anything in stock and the bike shops can’t even order the bikes (at least that’s what they told me.) The Line is great has a short stem and wide bars, has 32mm stanchions, 1 by 9 and Shimano Hydraulic disc brakes. I love it! Had to travel 2 hours and 30minutes to get it btw, everything is out of stock!

[@downtoridemtb]

That’s awesome that you got one because as you know stock at bike shops is crazy low currently.

[@omerkurt9406]

Down to Ride MTB and the bike shops told me they don’t know when they will be back in stock, directly from the shop “We don’t know it could be tomorrow, July or even until September”

[@downtoridemtb]

That’s nuts but I believe it. Every bike shop is trying to restock and manufacturers and distributors can’t keep up.

[@rocketman3158]

I want to buy a LBS bike available at a shop in Houston Texas. Which of these bikes offers the best overall features and best overall quality of components? 2021 Kona Lava Dome ($750), 2021 Jamis Highpoint A2 ($850), 2021 Giant Talon 1 ($830) or 2021 Trek Marlin 7 ($850)? Note: how important are tapered headtubes, rear retailer clutches and thru axles?

[@rmoore4yris]

I have no experience with any of these bikes but the Vitus seems to be the best pick. The Giant is also a good pick plus you may have a dealer near by.

[@gg_2315]

I was able to find a giant talon 2 2019 for $400 Couldn’t be happier handles everything I throw at it and the tubeless tires have come in so clutch.

[@downtoridemtb]

Awesome deal!

[@KRaikkonenSF]

Are we talking used bike maybe ? xd

[@gg_2315]

KRaikkonenSF yes slight used but basically brand new of course I got it before the shut down the guy needed money he was asking $500 but I talked him down to $400 I tried for $375 😅 first

[@jamesdominic2923]

Please do an under $1000 video. Seems like the specs are generally a lot better in that range.

[@downtoridemtb]

That’s a good idea. A lot of them would probably be the next model up of the same bikes but it would be interesting to compare the nuances of the specs at that price point. Plus I’m sure there would be some completely new bikes.

[@ofar86]

James Dominic I’d like to see that video as well

[@heyzooz]

I have a GT Aggressor Pro and I hit a local trail for first time and I can see why people get expensive bikes. Im getting one of these. I was nervous I wouldn't make it back on the Aggressor Pro.

[@downtoridemtb]

Step it up to around $1000 and you can get something really good.

[@heyzooz]

@@downtoridemtb Im seriously thinking about it. It was fun but I don't want to be limited due to bike I have now

[@downtoridemtb]

Yeah it’s smart to spend the money up front of you can afford to do so.

[@freddie7956]

I'm guessing the GT avalanche elite isn't out in the US yet... But for the Europeans here the avalanche elite has a 120mm air fork and also similar specs to the comp within a almost identical price range...

[@downtoridemtb]

Yeah I see it on a lot of sites from other countries. Hopefully they bring it here too.

[@CKnepp]

Can’t find much on the SCOTT ASPECT 940... seems to be slept on

[@pipas6217]

too expensive for the value, that's why

[@cookinitmax]

Man a lot to this mountain bike stuff thanks I'm lost .

[@GT95_302]

Absolutely agree with fewer gears. I have a Marin San Quentin 1, and it's 1x9 is plenty of gearing for any situation. Plus it's super simple. Only one shifter to keep track of.

[@downtoridemtb]

Exactly!

[@theresnobodyhere5778]

@@downtoridemtb single crank gears all good and simple for those that have a car and bike rack to drive to the mountains ,if you gotta cycle from your house then a 3 gear crank is a must i,v never had problems even with the cheapest front derailers so long as you keep them clean and oiled and take up the cable stretch now and again they never give me problems ,and on the tarmac theyre great for speed but i do understand the video is about best for mountain trails one bike cant do all the hybrids are another subject matter and theres time and place for a 3 gear crank set

[@xxEddiexx123]

Hey Phil, great video. I’m getting into the sport and picked up a Talon 2. It was in stock and available! Question. How about women’s bikes? What knowledge can you drop on me? I can’t find anything on KZbin about them 😬

[@downtoridemtb]

I really don’t know anything about them but my gut reaction is that it is just a marketing ploy. There are certainly plenty of women out there ripping on “men’s” bikes. I guess it depends on body type but really how different could they be. Anyway, Liv is the women specific brand associated with Giant so your dealer should have some of them.

[@earthquakejam5227]

just got my Specialized Pitch Comp 1X last weekend and i think i made the right decision after having watched this video now.

[@Multi3ric]

Just got mine yesterday for 300 dollars 🤙 I guess I made the right decision too .

[@jordiwhitehead6423]

Lucky I can’t find any

[@albertodelafuente6072]

I have a specialized rockhopper comp 2018 which I bought for 600 dollars and I’ve ridden stuff that normally wouldn’t be okay for a hardtail but it has been fun, I’ve changed some parts and now it’s way more fun, it now has a set of magura mt5, maxxis aggressor at the rear and a maxxis minion dhr in the front, and I’ve got a Crankbrothers Highline dropper coming in next week.

[@danagrimwood1434]

Specialized ftw.. I have your same bikr in my garage. Money well spent! I sort of downgraded and upgraded at the same time. Tell me, how do you feel about the rock comp? How do you ride it if you dont mind me asking?

[@peteandingrid]

Getting the GT comp, in my country it comes with the xcr 120mm air fork which also slackens the HTA to 67.5 degrees win win!!

[@downtoridemtb]

That’s awesome! Win win for sure!!

[@joehowarth8149]

there's got to be a warehouse out there somewhere full of those Nishiki Colorado hardtails from last year's review...... i wonder where it is/.....

[@downtoridemtb]

Ha I wish! I still kind of want one.

[@anthonycardinale2568]

The 2021 Vitus Nucleus just came out. Since you mentioned that you owned this bike in the past, can you compare the 2020 model to the 2021 range? I’m specifically curious to hear your thoughts about the 1x8 11-40 drivetrain one the 2021 VR.

[@downtoridemtb]

I’m a fan of just about anything 1x. That’s interesting that they went with Box since they are not on of the two big “S” drivetrains. Looks like it goes to 42t which isn’t bad at all. It was only a couple years ago that nice drivetrains like the SRAM GX 11 speed only went to 42t. As an 8 speed, the jumps between gears will be kind of big but I think it will be usable. For comparison, Box also does an 11-50 with only 9 speeds.

[@Blambo36]

The diamondback line comes with tubeless ready rims. I was fortunate to get mine off of amazon before they ran out. 😁😁

[@downtoridemtb]

I would say you were fortunate indeed! Cheers!

[@serpentor21]

Great vid mate. Just wanted to ask Is the Vitus VRS thru axel or quick release? Also what are your thoughts on the 29 version.

[@downtoridemtb]

It’s a qr in the back. Thru axle in the front though I think. 29er is good too and would probably be my preference between the two.

[@serpentor21]

@@downtoridemtb thanks for the reply mate. Just trying to pick between the Vitus VRS and the Boardman MHT 8.6. www.halfords.com/bikes/mountain-bikes/boardman-mht-8.6-mountain-bike---blue-527645.html

[@downtoridemtb]

I’d go with the Nucleus

[@JoeJoe-C137]

15mm poploc QR

[@towers29]

Dechathlon makes a bike for 800£ with RockShox SRAM 1x11 droper seat post Michelin 2.5 tyres if had it for a year it is great and much cheaper than other brands for the Same

[@denisenimigean6104]

Hei. Great video. What about the New Specialized 2021? The Elite and the Expert? Great job. Hello from România :)

[@downtoridemtb]

Thanks! The new Rockhopper options are great. Especially the two you pointed out.

[@moejohnson8459]

I agree. I just brought 21speed. It's fine for me. More gears chance of more issues.

[@valentinvas6454]

I have a 27 speed XC bike but I will definitely change it to a 2x10 or 2x11 setup one day. I like to ride on the road sometimes and 1x11 or 1x12 with 32/34 teeth front chainrings are a bit small for that.

[@moejohnson8459]

@@valentinvas6454 yea I hear that V. For me I just got to the point that all those were never gonna be used lol. 21 is more than enough. It's like buying a 600 hp car but NEVER getting a chance to open her up. Why buy it?

[@MrHunterseeker]

It's surprising to me how many people that own these high dollar bikes that don't know anything about bike gears. They make the 3x system to prevent cross chaining and damage to the drivetrain. It was never meant to give the rider "more gears". Bike gears on the 3x system were never meant to be used like a cars. It's more akin to a big rig semi's gears. In a 3x system you should never be in the 2 biggest gears or the 2 smallest gears. Because it puts your chain in a bind and will cause your chain to break, damage your gears or lose your chain. You want your chain as straight as possible. That's why I don't have any faith in these 1x systems if they have not engineered their system to accommodate the bind the chain will have to be in in the outermost gears. From all the videos on youtube of people like the guy in the video, putting out bad info about bike gears, telling people to look for a 1x system, I have to wonder how much he is making as a marketer/influencer on youtube for the bike industry. If I were a consumer I would boycott all these bike shop bikes until these companies either bring back production to the US or start passing the savings of moving their productions to China to the consumer. Either way, I would not be spending any money on any of these bikes and buying a Wally World big box bike like a Schwinn until they get the message.

[@moejohnson8459]

@@MrHunterseeker Well said Mr. I'll let them spend all that money on their bikes. And keep my money in my pocket. Don't get me wrong I like nice bikes but with it being wayyy sooo many options out there shucks there's no need to spend piles of money anymore. You can get a lotta bike now a days and it wont cost you a mortgage payment lol. Great point with the gears.

[@downtoridemtb]

@MrHuntseeker I’m not getting any money from any companies to say anything. I’ve owned both 3x systems and 1x systems. One 3x was Shimano Acera and it dropped the chain more times than I could count. Then it would get jammed in between the bottom bracket and crank arm. The chain banged around like crazy and dinged up the chainstay. Aside from those things, 3x systems have overlap in gears that just make no sense. Oh and there is no good spot for a dropper lever. The other 3x system was on an old bike and it was Shimano Deore XT. Aside from the front derailleur working a bit better, it had all the same issues. Both 1x systems I’ve owned (SRAM NX and SRAM SX Eagle) have had none of these problems and I’ve never broken a chain. Only minor downside is that they are trickier to adjust because you have to be more precise to get the adjustments right. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but know that my opinion is based on personal experience, not what I’ve heard or what someone is telling me to say.

[@Jimskateuk]

Lower end vitus sentier comes with inferior parts but a more desirable rear axel, giving it more scope for upgrades. 15x110 and 10x138 is a weird combo

[@KeepitKosher126]

There are no XL frame bikes in a 50 mile range of me less than $1000

[@sebastiangeorger5791]

Same :(

[@snop6176]

I actually recently bought the diamond back line and I love it. Yes, it sucks at climbing, but downhill is extremely fun.

[@downtoridemtb]

That’s the best part anyway! Plus you have something good to upgrade from if and when you want to.

[@fedup3449]

I bought a GT Aggressor in 2005. I'm averaging about 150k's per week. I've just changed my rear brake cable and that was the only thing i've ever had to do to it. If it dies one day i'll just go and by another. Awesome hardtail - 24 speed too. Faultless.

[@downtoridemtb]

Good to hear it has served you so well, especially since it is so affordable.

[@fireblade9973]

I’ve ordered an avalanche comp here in the UK it’s priced at £550. It’s been nearly 20 days since I ordered it and I’m still waiting for delivery 🙄 I’ve always liked GT bikes. About 20 years ago a friend had a ltd edition 14” zaskar with the kinked top tube which was extremely rare back then. It made for a killer jump bike.

[@downtoridemtb]

Hope it gets there soon!

[@Tuggers1986]

Who did you order from? I am in the UK too and think I will be ordering the GT Avalanche Elite next week from Evans Cycles. It says at the min lead times are 18-21 days

[@fireblade9973]

Tuggers1986 I ordered from triton cycles. I’ve just got a refund today as they are now saying they are still waiting for it to be sent from GT and it would be at least another 10 days until they have it. It said it was in stock when I paid for it which is a bit disappointing 🙁. I’d give them a ring or email first just to be sure they have stock. 👍

[@iwabuchikun1]

Thanks for your video. I'll be in the market by the end of the year for a new ride within this price range. You've given me lots to think about.

[@downtoridemtb]

Keep an eye out for a follow up video with a few more bikes...

[@iwabuchikun1]

@@downtoridemtb Will do, for sure.

[@nikitamuller1579]

But why would you buy a bike in winter ;(

[@iwabuchikun1]

@@nikitamuller1579 I live in central Japan. It never snows here, there is hardly any rain in the winter, and the temperature is almost always above zero degrees. It's a great time to ride.

[@nikitamuller1579]

@@iwabuchikun1 are you japanese?

[@Devonrgn]

Picked up one of the last Talon 2 27.5 at the LBS super excited!

[@downtoridemtb]

Enjoy it!!!

[@stephmoney43]

I dont know why I watch these videos. (I ride a dv9). I just find it really interesting the way you break down all the specs of these different bikes. Good job brotha keep it up!

[@downtoridemtb]

Lol it’s always fun to look and see what’s out there!

[@CesarFernandez-bs2vy]

Giant bikes (in my opinion size runs a bit big). I’m 6’3” and bought xl 2019 giant fathom. Feels a bit to big for me. Other than that Giant bikes are great.

[@ericdmochowski6079]

5’11 and I ride a medium

[@jaygerbrewer]

5,4 and I ride a medium with 26 inch tires

[@ericdmochowski6079]

Silenced Legacy mines a 29er

[@Nebul0us]

I mean, their name is "Giant" :)

[@aqib393]

Got myself a fathom 2 2020 recently. Their tyres are kinda too thick (width 2.6). But still it's a great bike for playing around in the trail. And yes, it comes with a dropper too.

[@sergklemusch9515]

I finally made up my decision with your help ofcourse. I was bouncing between two bikes, the talon 2 & the pitch comp. I went with the talon and I believe I made the right decision. Going trail riding tomorrow! :D

[@downtoridemtb]

Nice, enjoy it!!!

[@FoCoFlowShow]

Very thorough - nice work. Quick tip, when you make reference to other KZbin videos you’ve put out, make sure and use one of the “cards” that viewers can click to take them to that video if they’re interested.

[@downtoridemtb]

Thanks! Yeah I’m really bad about adding the cards and end screen links. I do almost everything from my iPad (including editing) but to do those I have to actually get on my computer.

[@abadatha]

Assuming the rotor setup on the Line is the same as the Sync'r, it should be 160 rear 180 front.

[@frankenclouds5740]

Bought my first mtb last year a trek marlin 5 and honestly i am really enjoying it but i think it's time for an upgrade and this video has really taught me a lot about what all the specs even mean. May or may not go with a ht but i am def enjoying this vid. (Plus im seeing more than just trek and specialized like at the local shop).

[@downtoridemtb]

Glad I could drop some knowledge!

[@Zsamrat]

Your guide is so helpful for us if we're in budget n need a quality ride. Thank you so much.

[@downtoridemtb]

Glad to help and good luck with you purchase!

[@manvirsandhu5313]

@@downtoridemtb do u think the 2020 gt avalanche sport is a good buy?

[@downtoridemtb]

It’s not bad depending on the price. It’s got the lowliest of the Suntour coil spring forks. But if you’re going to upgrade to an air fork eventually then it’s kind of a non issue. I’m intrigued by the seat stay design on these bikes.

[@sergklemusch9515]

Great comparison video man! I've wathed all 3 of them! I was prettu set on the talen 2 but now opened my eyes to the comp 1x I really like the idea of no derailer in the front

[@downtoridemtb]

Thanks. 1x is fantastic. Keep an eye out for a follow up video tomorrow with 7 more bikes...

[@kayladay7937]

Some other goo solid bikes I was looking at is Polygon Xstrada 5-7 nice bikes for the money. Waiting on the Diamondback SyncR !!!!

[@downtoridemtb]

Yeah Polygon is impressive. Especially their entry level full suspension bikes. Enjoy that Syncr!

[@hutchrt0596]

I'm buying my 10 yr old (4'8") a beginner mountain bike for trails near us. I know there's 24 in bikes and then there's also small men's bikes to consider. I do have a son who is pretty committed about things when he starts them. And so I don't want to buy a throwaway bike. I'd like to get him something that he can use for the next two years maybe three. But give him the ability to upgrade it. I really don't want to buy the cheap Walmart bikes that break jumping a curb lol. But I don't really want to buy a bike for one year, just for him to have to upgrade to another bike. I'd rather buy a bike that's good for an investment. I think this would be a great series to give us some options. And preferably anywhere from the $200 to $400 mark. Flexible around that depending on what you get. Hope to see you do one of those! With the pandemic, we want our kids out of the house.

[@downtoridemtb]

To be honest I just don’t know enough about kids bikes to make an informed video about them. But I can give some general advice... get a bike that fits him well now. It will be safer and more comfortable. This will in turn allow him to have more fun and he’ll be more likely to stick with it. Even if he outgrows it in a year, if you get something decent you can turn around and sell it for close to what you paid. Especially now with the bike supply chain all messed up, I see lots of used bikes that are a year or so old listed for 90-100% of their original MSRP.

[@hutchrt0596]

@@downtoridemtb I think that's one of the big problems! kids or parents just don't have the bikes long enough to really learn enough to compare. Nobody sifting through 24 in left and right.

[@downtoridemtb]

Yeah that’s a tough segment. Not a lot of KZbin guys with teenage kids doing bike reviews. Best of luck on your research!

[@dennislarosajr7320]

Got a Rocky Mountain Fusion($700) in Feb. Lovin the bike so far. Even the rocky mountain Soul seems like a good bike for this price. I wanted a 29er so I went with the fusion.

[@downtoridemtb]

Nice one! Hadn’t seen it before.

[@toddmarten1364]

Good vid. I got a 2017 giant talon 3. Been a great bike for the last few years I've had it. The fork isn't the best and I changed the stock pedals to HT components AE03 and a new saddle. Fun bike for some nice trail riding in central BC Canada.

[@downtoridemtb]

Thanks. Glad you’re enjoying the Talon!

[@sanadghebari2047]

Awesome video. If you could help me with something it would be much appreciated! I’m thinking about buying this used 2012 Kona splice hybrid bike. They say it’s in good condition and it looks clean, and to me, an inexperienced person in bikes, thinks it’s pretty good. It’s $400 CAD and I’m looking for a bike for fast on road riding and easy to go up hills, while also being able to take it off road. Would this be a good choice?

[@downtoridemtb]

To be honest, I don’t know much about hybrid bikes. It sounds ok and Kona is good but used bikes can be risky.

[@billbillw]

Can still get a 2019 model year Raleigh Tokul 3 for $699 at bikesdirect. Very comparable to the Nucleus VRS. Has boost spacing, NX 1x11, but no air fork. It would be my choice over all these bikes, except maybe the Nucleus (which is very hard to find in stock).

[@downtoridemtb]

Excellent find! Get one while they last!

[@billbillw]

@@downtoridemtb, I did get one for my son. They are gone now though.

[@downtoridemtb]

Yep I looked yesterday and couldn’t find it on there. Glad you snagged one before it was too late!

[@djcoolitoff]

I got a marlin 7 2 weeks ago I hope I made a good choice don’t see that one on the list

[@downtoridemtb]

It’s a great XC bike and trek is a good brand. I just like slacker, more aggressive bikes.

[@djcoolitoff]

Rogeball PB thank you I did not know they were sold out. I plan on keeping it for at least a year and if I’m still riding at least twice a week I’ll upgrade to full suspension

[@robertgarrett7785]

what about the scott aspect 940 nobody mentions it but its the most popular entry level hardtail i SEE on the trails.

[@downtoridemtb]

Yeah that’s actually a good one and should have been on this list.

[@brogovesan]

I just bought the Rocky mountain soul 10 ( a month ago )... I like the bike but I never see it in video like this one.. what's your opinion about it ? Love video like this one keep up the good work!

[@downtoridemtb]

It’s actually really good from what I can tell. Should have been in the video.

[@vincentthereaper1196]

The 2020 kona lava dome is amazing, great bang for your buck honestly.

[@goalkeep99]

I love the color of it as well... I am looking to buy one... I just have to bring myself to sell my 2 current bikes haha... I'm attached

[@phabeondominguez5971]

@@goalkeep99 Nice, so knowing what you know now, what would YOU recommend for a first time bike, mainly trail riding and some downhill here an there.. all input welcome!! oNe

[@poetjester]

Every bike from $500 to $15000 is sold out in my area. I found a gt avalanche elite in stock and drove over straight away and they had dismantled it for parts when I got there!

[@downtoridemtb]

Man you must have high demand in your area. Or dealers who didn’t get their 2021 mode orders in soon enough.

[@poetjester]

@@downtoridemtb I live in Ontario just out of Toronto. The bike stores near me are selling their stock to the stores in the city so they can sell them on marked up and second hand bikes are listed for more than they cost new 😤 there's a Motocross store that sells some Marin bikes so I'm going to try them and hope nobody has thought of it.

[@downtoridemtb]

Oh gotcha. Well if it’s Marin that you’re after, at least here in the states, there are plenty of online sellers. And since you’re that close to the border, you could maybe even have it shipped to a UPS store or Fedex store and come get it. Not sure if that would work but worth looking into.

[@poetjester]

@@downtoridemtbI'm after anything ATM 🤣 I've looked into it but they love slapping huge taxes on anything imported and I can't see a trade deal coming soon.

[@harris7772]

For me now any bike it has to have bolt thru axles F/R 1x drivetrain and threaded bottom bracket or it's just a no no and most bikes under 1000 have all of them so better to save up for an extra few of months and it will last you alot longer. All the rest can be upgraded over time or you'll just find yourself needing a new bike within a year or two 👍

[@downtoridemtb]

I get your point but if you’ve only got $800 then an $800 bike is better than no bike.

[@harris7772]

I get your point and I suppose you could skip the 1x for a hardtail and get the 2x thats what I had on my hardtail for about 5 years and I've just convered It to a 1x on my slx crank and its alot better. I suppose you don't really realise the chain slap that much until your try a 1x that's what happened with me plus the cleaner cockpit and the ugly front deraillieur 😁

[@downtoridemtb]

Yeah 1x is great! I could never go back to anything else on a MTB.

[@ohmyafy]

Just got the Team Marin, love it so far!

[@nickkirsch1740]

You got the Bobcat trail? If so how do you like it

[@berthazepeda918]

It is funny because I got a trek Marlin 5

[@rolandbioc3024]

Is the specialized Pitch Comp a light weight bike like 25lb, I used to bmx but I am now thinking of getting my first mountain bike

[@downtoridemtb]

I don’t know. Usually the biggest amount of weight come from budget, heavy components. But Hardtails are in general much lighter.

[@timmontanus4311]

I was so lucky I got to buy the vitus sentier 29(base model) at the last moment before it sold out again. I love the bike so much I'm really happy with my purchase

[@Adam-xo7cv]

It's a really well-designed and well-spec'd bike for the price. I'm jealous. Have fun riding it!

[@timmontanus4311]

@@Adam-xo7cv thanks, it really is, would recommend to all!

[@Adam-xo7cv]

@@timmontanus4311 I can't wait to get one once A)I can afford it and B)when they start production and they're available for sale again.

[@timmontanus4311]

@@Adam-xo7cv I got mine on Wiggle with a 10% discount delivered to Belgium, so in total it was €850 (no shipping fees btw). I was a little skeptical because chain reaction cycles seemed to be the bigger and most trustworthy one, but I absolutely don't regret using wiggle tbh everything went smoothly. And the funny thing is that the goodie bag said "chain reaction cycles" haha maybe it's the exact same either way. Wish you the best of luck Adam!

[@cadeschaeffer6267]

Would you prefer a 100mm air fork? Or a 120mm spring fork.

[@downtoridemtb]

Probably the shorter travel air fork of course it depends what the frame is built for.

[@cadeschaeffer6267]

@@downtoridemtb Ok what would be an example of when you would choose the bigger spring instead of the air?

[@downtoridemtb]

If the frame is designed to take a 120mm fork. The length should match what the frame was made for.

[@Tiger24kicks]

After seeing your videos I picked up the Rockhopper Comp 1X I needed the 1X system and internal cable I just wished it had the remote lock for the fork.

[@downtoridemtb]

Awesome that you found one!

[@GIJosep]

Any opinions on the Ghost Square Cross 1.8? I just ordered one from REI. I'm a beginner but excited to start riding!

[@downtoridemtb]

Yeah it’s a crossover bike. Not bad but not made for trail riding.

[@cookinitmax]

Hey I worked a junk yard came across a Tomac 140 large frame full suspension it has King bearings and thats all no other parts but frame. I'm new to this trying to see if I can build or not I've heard the Company is no more so with that said is it worth keeping or can I even get it built.

[@downtoridemtb]

I’ve never heard of it

[@cookinitmax]

@@downtoridemtb Really Tomac Snyper 140

[@cookinitmax]

@@downtoridemtb i got the name wrong part of it. Tomac Snyper 140

[@downtoridemtb]

I looked it up. Pretty old school. If you can find cheap parts it may be worth building up.