8 John Williams scores based on Classical music

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David Bennett Piano

David Bennett Piano

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As with all the greatest artists, much of their work stems from bits and bobs borrowed from the great artists who came before them, and John Williams is no exception to this rule. Many of John William's iconic scores and themes draw overtly from pieces by the classical composers who came before him.
The outro music to this video is my track "The Longest March"
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0:00 Introduction
0:25 Star Wars vs. Stravinsky
2:23 Star Wars vs. Holst
4:02 Princess Leia vs. Tchaikovsky
4:44 Apple Music Classical
6:10 Home Alone vs. Tchaikovsky
7:02 Jaws vs. Dvořák
7:40 Star Wars vs. Korngold
8:58 Patreon

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@DavidBennettPiano
@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын
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@ytcorporate9237
@ytcorporate9237 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on being sponsored by Apple, man! That's a great leap forward for your channel :)
@colmx8441
@colmx8441 Жыл бұрын
No thank you. Why would you promote a FAANG company trying to take control of classical music?
@Nilmand
@Nilmand Жыл бұрын
You created this (unoriginal) video for the sole purpose of promoting Apple Music Classical didn't you
@ytcorporate9237
@ytcorporate9237 Жыл бұрын
@@Nilmand so? This is a great video and he deserves money for the high quality content he puts out
@BantheDan
@BantheDan Жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on songs that use the double harmonic scale? I love this scale it's a lot of fun to play, but I don't hear it much except for some surf rock stuff I listen to.
@catface101
@catface101 Жыл бұрын
1:35 Stravinsky sustains a D Minor and creates a masterpiece I sustain a D Minor and have to repeat the school year
@DavidBennettPiano
@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын
😂
@Oligodendrocyte139
@Oligodendrocyte139 Жыл бұрын
D minor for a year? Gosh, that’s really sad 😊
@fromchomleystreet
@fromchomleystreet Жыл бұрын
It’s actually the Han and Leia love theme from Empire that bears the more striking resemblance to that Tchaikovsky violin concerto, rather than Leila’s theme. They all share that initial interval from the fifth to the third above, over the tonic major chord (along with Marion’s theme from Raider’s - Williams seems to associate it with romantic heroines), but the Han and Leia theme continues to closely resemble it even after that.
@0live0wire0
@0live0wire0 Жыл бұрын
I always thought he got that from Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet.
@wtk6069
@wtk6069 Жыл бұрын
Parts of the main SW theme resemble March Slave also
@0live0wire0
@0live0wire0 Жыл бұрын
@@wtk6069 and how about Duel of the Fates resembling Beethoven 5th?
@michaeldouthitt6138
@michaeldouthitt6138 Жыл бұрын
@@0live0wire0 Also, the "Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme" borrowing from Chopin's "Funeral March" from his 2nd. Piano Sonata.
@mr.k5865
@mr.k5865 Жыл бұрын
Han and Leia's theme (some versions of the theme more than others) is to my ears clearly inspired by 1) Leonard Bernstein's "Make Our Garden Grow" and 2) the opening of Henri Mancini's Days of Wine and Roses. Since Williams worked with Mancini, this isn't a stretch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4Glenh4n9yIapY
@truefilm6991
@truefilm6991 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget that John Williams worked from a temp track with classical music for Star Wars. George Lucas didn't trust John Williams, thinking he was "just" a jazz pianist, which he also is - and a brilliant one. I adore John Williams. BTW The "Scene D'Amour" by the great Bernard Herrmann, for Vertigo, is basically Wagner's Tristan And Isolde. No human being creates anything from scratch and film composers are always working on the edge of getting fired by the director.
@PhrygianPhrog
@PhrygianPhrog Жыл бұрын
Exactly, he was working within a context at a certain time for a particular purpose. People also forget that Williams has composed concert pieces outside of the strictures of film music.
@DavidBennettPiano
@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын
I have heard some sources mention a temp track, but George Lucas claimed that he never used a temp track for Star Wars.
@truefilm6991
@truefilm6991 Жыл бұрын
@@DavidBennettPiano Yes these might be rumors only. I'm talking Berklee music teachers no less. BUT let's assume there was no temp track. The movie that hugely encouraged George Lucas to make his Sci Fi movie (or better: space adventure) was Stanley Kubrick's 2001. It features mostly classical music (I simplify the term for the sake of clarity), which were use in a temp track. Alex North's score was ditched as a last minute decision (again: perhaps rumors, but they persist). So John Williams was very likely composing as closely as possible to a "soundalike", so he can reference back to exiting pieces and be on the safe side. J.W. was recommended to Lucas by Steven Spielberg. As far as I can tell one has a harder time finding inspirations that turned into soundalikes in later John Williams scored movies. I am not arguing, just sharing my thoughts. John Williams gets a lot of criticism. I believe it's for the fact that he isn't edgy and experimental (except for some cool atonal parts, say in Close Encounters). Going for pure beauty makes you an easy target.
@mrcoatsworth429
@mrcoatsworth429 Жыл бұрын
​@@DavidBennettPiano Paul Hirsch, the editor of Star Wars, has stated clearly that they were using temp tracks. He's even done lectures on it. You can easily find KZbin videos of the editor of Star Wars himself stating this as fact.
@j.lindback
@j.lindback Жыл бұрын
As stated by others they used no temp track. But nevertheless: When you're composing for a movie you're giving the director what they want! If they ask for "Something in the vein of [insert another composer]", then they get exactly that. John Williams are often being scolded for borrowing from others, but that is how scoring a film works. Since he's a high-profile composer, who have borrowed from other high-profile composers, it's easy to blame him. But he works no differently than any other film composer.
@simonmowatt
@simonmowatt Жыл бұрын
The Holst Mars movement is in some ways more similar to the music accompanying the opening scene of Star Wars (1977).
@musicalcolin
@musicalcolin Жыл бұрын
And it's interesting how complex the flow of inspiration gets when you also consider that Stravinsky, Dvorak, and Holst used themes/tune from folk traditions in their own music.
@MrKaywyn
@MrKaywyn 9 ай бұрын
The Kings Row example is mind blowing.
@AtomizedSound
@AtomizedSound Жыл бұрын
One of the greatest film composers of all time and composers draw inspiration all the time from given pieces and soundscapes. Lucas did want his film to have a classical feel and cited several examples of the sound of the composers you mention here for John to craft his music like. It’s all great and different enough overall to appreciate the music and time that went into it
@TheDjenks
@TheDjenks Жыл бұрын
Yes! Cheap shot and inacurate to alllege that Williams ripped off other composers. Whose work btw is not protected by copyright. So Williams actually could have lifted it entirely. Of course he did not. All artists are influenced by some other artists.
@drakemallard1486
@drakemallard1486 Жыл бұрын
It's one thing to draw inspiration, and another thing to copy the lines note for note. He's a scam artist. Stop defending theft.
@ColdWarShot
@ColdWarShot 9 ай бұрын
On the Jaws theme, John Williams credited “Man” from Disney’s Bambi as his inspiration. Man featured a three note motif that slowly increased tempo each time. It stuck with him since he first heard it as a child in the theater. He went back to it, changed the key, and dropped the third note to get his Jaws theme.
@TalmoTheSell
@TalmoTheSell Жыл бұрын
I think it's pretty amazing how even pointing all of the similarities and inspirations, Williams' voice is still very distinct
@gabe_s_videos
@gabe_s_videos Жыл бұрын
I feel like that's proof that, no matter what you borrow from, your personal voice is going to come through in whatever it is you do.
@drakemallard1486
@drakemallard1486 Жыл бұрын
His voice is NOT distinct. If you play classical music to people in public, 9/10 of them will say, "OH is that John Williams? blah blah blah." I've tested it with hundreds of different artists with the same result. He is a plagiarist, plain and simple, and the fact that he doesn't even partially credit the original artists makes him a scummy composer.
@TalmoTheSell
@TalmoTheSell Жыл бұрын
@@drakemallard1486 Who hurt you man
@drakemallard1486
@drakemallard1486 Жыл бұрын
@@TalmoTheSell OH I thought I deleted this one because I came across as emotional. John Williams is a hack, but he does deserve a tiny bit of credit for his arrangement skills.
@TalmoTheSell
@TalmoTheSell Жыл бұрын
@@drakemallard1486 Ok, give me an example
@onemansopinion8135
@onemansopinion8135 Жыл бұрын
I find one that people always miss is the Luke and Leia theme with Leonard Bernstein's "Make Our Garden Grow" from "Candide." Being that Williams and Bernstein knew each other, I wouldn't be surprised Williams borrowed it from Bernstein.
@leonlinton634
@leonlinton634 Жыл бұрын
Definitely doesn't seem like an accidental similarity. Love that operetta!
@sbh1763
@sbh1763 Жыл бұрын
He also drew a lot from Shostakovich, Prokofiev, and obviously, Wagner to create leitmotifs for his film scores. Just like Mozart and Beethoven drawing from Haydn and Bach. My mentor once told me: "an average composer imitates; a great composer steals." Williams is a modern examplar of it.
@drakemallard1486
@drakemallard1486 Жыл бұрын
I think autocorrect hit you there. It's stole, not Drew. He stole the works. He gives no credit at all, even in interviews, to the original artists. He is a scam composer.
@gergoretvari6373
@gergoretvari6373 10 ай бұрын
@@drakemallard1486 using 5 notes from a piece or a song and creating something different with it isn't exactly stealing
@drakemallard1486
@drakemallard1486 10 ай бұрын
@@gergoretvari6373 If that were the case, then yeah... but Williams didn't steal 5 notes. He stole entire 8 measure phrases. He stole entire compositions and rearranged them. He is not a composer, and nobody who knows the old greats considers him one. He is an arranger with an inflated ego, and since he doesn't credit those he plagiarized, he is a scummy person.
@scherrer4715
@scherrer4715 4 ай бұрын
I think this approach is wrong, what Williams is doing is not being influenced but borrowing. The relationship between Beethoven and Mozart is not similar.
@lawrencetaylor4101
@lawrencetaylor4101 Жыл бұрын
Merci beaucoup. A Piano professor told me about a student that wanted to drive his neighbour nuts. So he practiced his scales and ended them all on the leading tone, never playing the tonic. He moved out in less than 2 months.
@berenicechan4280
@berenicechan4280 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing actual scores and highlighting notes being played - would studies like more like this
@MrMont-ue8kh
@MrMont-ue8kh Жыл бұрын
Well done! I had noticed some of these, but you've catalogued far more. So the difference between "borrowed from" and "violated copyright" is a matter of waiting 70 years after the composer has died. Thanks!
@tharoog
@tharoog Жыл бұрын
Strawinski died in 1971.
@peace-now
@peace-now 5 ай бұрын
The Star Wars theme also sounds like Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet. Nearly every film composer has used Holst as inspiration.
@stevenanderson2542
@stevenanderson2542 8 ай бұрын
Excellent video! Thanks for the effort.
@nickavenoso7851
@nickavenoso7851 Жыл бұрын
Williams also incorporated some themes from Debussy’s La Mer in his Jaws score as I’ve read. George Lucas originally wanted to use The Planets suite for Star Wars, but couldn’t get the rights, so he asked John Williams to compose something similar to or in the vein of The Planets.
@mabodeely
@mabodeely Жыл бұрын
I don’t see this as giving John Williams a hard time. In fact, I think the fact that he was inspired by classical composers keeps classical music alive. He is one of my favorite examples when having the age old debate of is it “plagiarism” or is it “inspiration” with someone.
@NealSchultz
@NealSchultz Жыл бұрын
All of these examples are true and I've "felt" them for decades. However, there is still a "John Williams" sound that is original enough that his music is always recognizable as a John Williams score. Sabrina, Accidental Tourist, Jurassic Park, E.T. and of course Harry Potter are some of his best amongst the typical of the John Williams sound..... He was responsible for starting me at a young age with classical music composers so I have a warm place in my heart for great film music.
@chazseabrooks6473
@chazseabrooks6473 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this video! Goodness, you taught me a lot!
@DavidBennettPiano
@DavidBennettPiano 6 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@gagagugu379
@gagagugu379 Жыл бұрын
I, ve always thought the same. Nevertheless, his themes and soundtracks are so good and appropriate and definitely they are golden classics themselves.
@kenvives
@kenvives Жыл бұрын
I may be influenced by my love of the films he writes for, but when Williams “borrows” from these preceding compositions, I feel he actually makes them better. Or at least, more accessible.
@dosterix6034
@dosterix6034 Жыл бұрын
@@kenvives nah if you look at it as a piece of music the classical pieces work better I think because they arent supposed to underline a certain movie scene but are made to express something single handedly and separated from any other sources In the end it's all subjective of course
@emilyrln
@emilyrln Жыл бұрын
Similarities can indeed be unconscious. I was reminded of this yesterday when, several hours after writing a song, I realized it was reeeeeeally similar to the opening song of Disney's animated _Cinderella._ Just add an extra measure before the end of each line and you get the start of my melody and chord progression. Of course, it diverges soon after that, but I couldn't un-hear it, so I fiddled with the opening a bit to make it less noticeable 😂 it's also reminiscent of "In My Life" from Les Misérables, but only for that first ascending line.
@huehnerfrikassee
@huehnerfrikassee Жыл бұрын
I think it's important to note that directors tend to give composers quite clear instructions on what they want for the soundtrack of their film. Since the soundtrack is created rather late into the production of a film, directors usually accompany the scenes they've shot so far with already existing music to simulate what watching the film might be like when it's finished. So whilst composers commonly look for inspiration in pre-existing music, it is in many cases also down to the director telling the composer that they'd really love something that sounds a lot like piece x in that one scene and something that sounds like piece y in another. They sometimes just get so used to watching a scene and listening to that piece that they feel having anything else as the soundtrack would be wrong. Great video btw^^
@glasss1978
@glasss1978 25 күн бұрын
yeah, Lucas told WIlliams he wanted 30s orchestral style and different themes for each characters, like Prokofiev's Peter and the Wolf
@fulltongrace7899
@fulltongrace7899 Жыл бұрын
In the movie Minority Report, in the Spyders scene, J W has definitely borrowed from Bohuslav Martinu’s 6th Symphony around the middle of the second movement. Doesn’t last long but immediately recognisable.
@PenneySounds
@PenneySounds Жыл бұрын
That part at 2:58 is actually even more strongly heard at the start of the movie as the Star Destroyer flies overhead. That segment is basically the part from Holst but with the stings building and building as they go.
@PenneySounds
@PenneySounds Жыл бұрын
And 4:07 is even closer to "Han Solo and the Princess" from Episode 5 than it is to Leia's Theme.
@RedCaio
@RedCaio Жыл бұрын
before any commenters get carried away, let's clear one thing up: Anyone who seriously tries to claim that John Williams plagiarized anything is simply demonstrating how little they understand the film music industry. 90% of time what actually happened is the Director specifically requested “hey, I was thinking this scene could kind of sound like this“ and so the composer basically has no choice but to write a new music that sounds similar enough to the pre-existing music to make the Director happy. Williams does this just as much as other composers do, he’s just more famous so the times he does it gets more attention. If there’s ever *actual* plagiarism, there’s legal action taken. Like when action was taken against Hans Zimmer for copying Holst’s Mars music in gladiator. or when action was taken against Tyler bates’ score for 300 for plagiarizing music from Titus.
@mabodeely
@mabodeely Жыл бұрын
I did a whole unit on this when I taught elementary school music! It was one of my favorites to teach!
@TaTopePia
@TaTopePia Жыл бұрын
Really glad you brought up Tchaikovsky, I think there are even more examples (ex. both the Swan lake theme and Vader's theme end in an extremely similar fashion, virtually the same notes). Once again, excellent video.
@RockandRollWoman
@RockandRollWoman Жыл бұрын
"Overt inspiration." 😂😂😂 The more I learn about music, the more I contemplate where the copyright line is and should be.
@calebhu6383
@calebhu6383 3 ай бұрын
There's also Brahms' Piano Concerto No.2 and the Star Wars theme.
6 ай бұрын
What's the piece played over the closing credits? It's so good.
@DavidBennettPiano
@DavidBennettPiano 6 ай бұрын
Thank you! The outro music to this video is my track "The Longest March", available on Spotify and other streaming services 😊😊
@andrewlowden322
@andrewlowden322 Жыл бұрын
Crazy as Ive listened to the SW soundtrack since I was a kid in late 70s, continuing on to this date AND once you mentioned the composer and part of the film I suddenly knew which piece you were going to match them to!! I cant believe I hadnt made these connections before!
@timmothytroutt3715
@timmothytroutt3715 Жыл бұрын
Another Holst inspiration is the opening to Venus and the opening of the force theme. The shape and feel is very similar and I’ve heard the similarity for a long time
@TalmoTheSell
@TalmoTheSell Жыл бұрын
Yeah I feel like that one is overlooked a lot
@thegman8119
@thegman8119 Жыл бұрын
Also Venus influenced Yoda's Theme. There are many similarities.
@TM-us5ti
@TM-us5ti 2 ай бұрын
The Creature from the Black Lagoon had a big influence on Spielberg's Jaws and there's a lot in the music too that John Williams seems to have got inspiration from, the underwater scene where the creature first appears is the theme right there.
@leukas113
@leukas113 Жыл бұрын
When i first heard Tchaikovsky's Swan lake, i immediately thought it was the Anakin vs. Obiwan theme. And i swear if you listen to Swan Lake's Turning Point, you can hear the Darth Vader theme!!
@ClassicalMusicAndSoundtracks
@ClassicalMusicAndSoundtracks 23 күн бұрын
Most film scores of John Williams are based on classical music. Some of them are also based on already existing themes of classical music (the correct title of this video).
@frankfrank7921
@frankfrank7921 Жыл бұрын
David, I'd like to see you do a similar comparison using Howard Shore's brilliant Lord of the Rings score. I'm curious what, if anything, was inspired by other sources.
@markswift1382
@markswift1382 Жыл бұрын
The ring theme was taken from Leonard Bernstein's "Glitter And Be Gay" from his opera Candide
@thegoodgeneral
@thegoodgeneral Ай бұрын
lol you think there’s some originality to David’s video here? This stuff has been repeated by people on the Internet for like… 30 years.
@frankfrank7921
@frankfrank7921 Ай бұрын
@@thegoodgeneral lol! What the hell are you talking about? Who said David's video was original or not? Also, I don't think you've been on the internet since 1994. I have.
@thegoodgeneral
@thegoodgeneral Ай бұрын
@@frankfrank7921 my point is if you want you see his take on Shore’s LotR, all you need to do is search on the Internet and see anyone writing on the subject and you’re going to find everything you will hear in David’s video on the subject.
@joseph6270
@joseph6270 7 ай бұрын
I always most closely associated mars with the first scene in the first movie, where the star destroyer is chasing down tantive iv. Love the other examples you give, never realized neptune was so similar too
@flavadave3943
@flavadave3943 Жыл бұрын
You should’ve also featured sugar plum fairy and the motif he used in home alone that resembles it. Also from the nutcracker, but I think it specifically, is one of the most obvious examples of “borrowing” and influence of all his works.
@royalex21
@royalex21 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always, David! John Williams is one of the GOATs when it comes to film composers.
@frankfrank7921
@frankfrank7921 Жыл бұрын
I'll take Bernard Hermann. YMMV.
@lessaqueensrider8571
@lessaqueensrider8571 7 ай бұрын
I've listened to these, what we have is a sever case of sour grapes.
@thegoodgeneral
@thegoodgeneral Ай бұрын
This topic continually strikes me as funny because the videos that discuss it are more derivative and regurgitative over other works than the topic they’re discussing. There’s never any new information in these videos, it’s always “OMG DID YOU KNOW TATOOINE SOUNDS LIKE THE RITE OF SPRING??”
@jacobdufour4402
@jacobdufour4402 7 ай бұрын
I’ve seen several videos like this, but I’ve never seen anyone else comment on the fact that the Ark theme from Raiders is almost directly lifted from Holst’s Saturn.
@ConradSpoke
@ConradSpoke 4 ай бұрын
This influence of Copeland on The Cowboys is pretty obvious, but that title theme is bizarrely original.
@mabodeely
@mabodeely Жыл бұрын
HAHAHA, you got me! I was like, “That’s the Rite of Spring”, they are very close!!
@chanderprakash3159
@chanderprakash3159 17 күн бұрын
2:50 2:58
@demarcklucas
@demarcklucas 7 ай бұрын
Ele simplesmente pegou uma pedra que já era preciosa e burilou.
@ylyg123
@ylyg123 Ай бұрын
3:20 Neptune 7:48 Korngold "Kings row"
@lukaslawrence8863
@lukaslawrence8863 Жыл бұрын
this video is BRILLIANT! I’m always in awe of such a great job with classical music videos like you!
@moodiblues2
@moodiblues2 Жыл бұрын
David, I’m an amateur musician, singer/songwriter and producer of my own music. I’m fascinated by your videos comparing various pieces that are borrowed from earlier pieces. What Id love to see would be an interview with John Williams discussing his influences from earlier composers. I think he would be honest in such a discussion. I’ve “stolen” from Dvorak in composing my best song. As Isaac Newton said, in effect, we stand on the shoulders of giants when composing. After all there are only 12 notes in an octave.
@chanderprakash3159
@chanderprakash3159 Ай бұрын
7:49 8:02
@alanpotter8680
@alanpotter8680 6 ай бұрын
I'm a huge fan of Williams, classical music and the act of composition. The Planets Suite by Holst holds a lot more cues to other Williams scores, including Harry Potter, A.I., Jurassic Park, E.T. and more.. Holst is a huge inspiration, no doubt. The Planets suite is full of underdeveloped themes and ideas. Not that it's a bad thing or anything, it just holds too much content for its own good. No wonder Holst hated the piece in his later years. The whole world completely ignored his other music because of it.
@curtisdaniel9294
@curtisdaniel9294 8 ай бұрын
Additional comment re John Williams compositions. One of my favorite Williams scores is EMPIRE OF THE SUN. Especially the choral music that is part of that score. Could you give some background on that, please? 😊
@martinedwards2004
@martinedwards2004 Жыл бұрын
There’s another “inspiration” moment that I think gets overlooked. It’s the second movement of the Neilson violin concerto which inspired a moment in Jurassic Park. The melody, chords, and orchestration are almost identical.
@Bacopa68
@Bacopa68 Жыл бұрын
What about the most significant Williams composition? It's that music that plays when Gilligan steps on the Skipper's head while getting into the top hammock. Yep, John Williams wrote that.
@victorhugotoledocofre1366
@victorhugotoledocofre1366 Жыл бұрын
Also "Theme from Superman (Main Title)" (1978) ≈ Max Greger's "Fanfare March for the 20th Summer Olympics, Munich 1972." 👍
@LewisPassos-gq9yn
@LewisPassos-gq9yn 15 күн бұрын
Mate, can you do a video analysing where Randy Newman borrowed from Carl W. Stalling? That would be good.
@IanWaugh
@IanWaugh Жыл бұрын
Hey David - super interesting as usual 👍 Good composers borrow - great composers steal 😊
@ChickenmanSC
@ChickenmanSC Жыл бұрын
Can't believe we went through all of these but didn't get the Superman theme! Hugely inspired by Fanfare for the Common Man by Copland Thanks to Williams, the Planets by Holst is one of my favorite things to listen to now!
@tedl7538
@tedl7538 Жыл бұрын
Not an original bone in Williams' body, in other words.
@curtisdaniel9294
@curtisdaniel9294 8 ай бұрын
Very interesting. Could you consider some of Maurice Jarre's desert scenes music from LAWRENCE OF ARABIA? ❤
@evolutisband
@evolutisband Жыл бұрын
Does anyone know the name of the piece at the very end?
@blackcitadel37
@blackcitadel37 Жыл бұрын
"Good composers borrow, Great ones steal" - Stravinsky
@andsewitis
@andsewitis Жыл бұрын
Love this! I knew a few but not all. Planning to share with my fellow music loving friends. Thanks!
@HeronCoyote1234
@HeronCoyote1234 Жыл бұрын
The first time I heard “The Planets”, my thought was “wasn’t this used as a theme for a movie? It sounds so familiar.”
@simonlacey487
@simonlacey487 Жыл бұрын
So interesting David, thank you. It also seems in most of the examples that John Williams even wrote his pieces in exactly the same key as the 'inspiration' pieces! I thought he might have been tempted to change keys just to make the similarities slightly less in your face. Still a genius, as you say!
@SamuelCalangian-xm3hv
@SamuelCalangian-xm3hv 6 ай бұрын
0:20 David should have said HEAVILY inspired. "HEAVILY inspired" -Charles the French
@sorlag110
@sorlag110 11 ай бұрын
And this is all music always, intended or not. I think in cases like with John Williams it's that he's such a renowned composer borrowing from other very renowned composers it's so easy to cross check. But if you found the inspirations I think a video like this could be made for every composer. Great video, thanks
@korbi217
@korbi217 Жыл бұрын
There is another one: The beginning of Leia's theme is nearly exactly, far more than from Tchaikovsky, the second theme of the second movement of Richard Wagner's Piano Sonata in B-flat.
@alanatolstad4824
@alanatolstad4824 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you added Korngold & King's Row. In the interview he did with Leonard Maltin for the VHS box set, he did mention how much Korngold influenced his musical style in general.
@davidjcheney
@davidjcheney Жыл бұрын
He was definitely heavily influenced by the Romantic era. One of my favorite examples, which has only recently occurred to me, is the track "Sean by Agatha" from 'Minority Report': I don't recall which symphony or movement, but it's very similar to Mahler. And the point that he's not the only composer influenced by those before him is very true: I also have noticed there are points in Hans Zimmer's score to 'Gladiator' that are almost literally Wagnerian.
@alberteinsteinthejew
@alberteinsteinthejew Жыл бұрын
7:49 ok this is super mindblowing!
@JoelSyverud
@JoelSyverud Жыл бұрын
Your videos are always amazing and lovely, but this one had that little extra❤
@matthewleonmartin
@matthewleonmartin Жыл бұрын
At least concerning Star Wars, Lucas himself said during editing that he used temp tracks of various classical pieces before Williams began scoring, so it's likely Williams drew from those sources to keep a similar vibe and match the editing cuts. Love your content, by the way
@petertaplin4365
@petertaplin4365 Жыл бұрын
The twittering woodwinds at the beginning of the Flying theme from ET are a direct pinch from the last movement of Hanson's Romantic Symphony.Check it out!
@derekgindlesperger1575
@derekgindlesperger1575 Жыл бұрын
is Mmm Bop?
@danielezampieri3680
@danielezampieri3680 Жыл бұрын
There is also the ET theme that's almost identical to the end of Dvorak's Dumky Trio, even the same tonality
@playspianointhedark
@playspianointhedark Жыл бұрын
Great video, also Prokoviev, which you can hear very clearly in his music for Return of the Jedi-
@CraigGood
@CraigGood Жыл бұрын
When I worked at a hi-fi stereo shop around 1980 I loved playing the King's Row opening (which even had the Fox fanfare on it) for customers. They always thought it was The Empire Strikes Back.
@mswdesign9164
@mswdesign9164 Жыл бұрын
They all do it. John Ottman did a big Respighi borrow for Superman Returns. I recall Previn's soundtrack for Rollerball being nearly straight Shostakovich.
@notdave7005
@notdave7005 Жыл бұрын
Always loved this topic! The third movement of Dvorak’s 9th makes me think Star Wars as well… maybe it gives me Dual of the Fates vibes?… can’t put my finger on it
@JAStars102
@JAStars102 Жыл бұрын
It has a similar rhythm.
@HeathcliffBlair
@HeathcliffBlair Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. You have to be mindful of the role that the "temp track" plays in film music. That is pre-existing music laid down by the editor and director BEFORE an original score is produced. Often times, the incoming composer will be under pressure to mimic the temp score simply because the director has fallen in love with it. This has been a common situation throughout the entire history of film music. It was particularly the case with the first Star Wars film. TBH, I think some of your other Williams examples here are a wee bit of a stretch. Nevertheless, a pleasant video. Thanks again.
@frankfrank7921
@frankfrank7921 Жыл бұрын
As a songwriter, I learned a long time ago that it's virtually impossible to create anything 100% original. It was actually very liberating to realize that. The context from which I am speaking is the 3 minute pop/rock song. Now if you consider writing two hours of soundtrack music then there's going to be a massive amount of "borrowing", consciously or not. It shouldn't, but I wonder if that takes the luster off of people like John Williams in the eyes of some?
@michaelmeyer2725
@michaelmeyer2725 Жыл бұрын
It doesn't in my opinion. He's a musical genius and the only composer currently that comes even remotely close is Hans Zimmer Guys like Williams don't come around often.
@brendanconnellan
@brendanconnellan Жыл бұрын
I think the Leia's theme comparison is a little bit of a long shot. Sure it's the same key and the same interval to start off but the rest of it for me is sufficiently different enough for it to be nicked. But yes I agree with these on the whole. He's very good at finding inspiration and adapting it beautifully to fit what he's writing for.
@Str0b0
@Str0b0 Жыл бұрын
Also Frederic Chopin's Funeral March and Miklos Rozsa's Ivanhoe score
@topocane67
@topocane67 Ай бұрын
...and Imperial mach and Chopin funerl march?
@the-method81
@the-method81 Жыл бұрын
Make a video on all the great composers who had zero influences!!!!
@bencraig1249
@bencraig1249 Жыл бұрын
All composers have some sort of influence, that's how art evolves.
@shandiw7749
@shandiw7749 Жыл бұрын
@@bencraig1249 Indeed! Even the earliest humans were inspired by bird song.
@felipesnege4614
@felipesnege4614 Жыл бұрын
Amazing, @David. You should have mentioned Shindler's List theme and Mahler 8th symphony 1st part.
@AndrodWorldMedia
@AndrodWorldMedia Жыл бұрын
Most of Howard Hanson’s Symphony No. 2 sounds like the “Jaws” score. Not to mention Dvorak’s “New World Symphony” 4th movement. And even more by Maurice Ravel’s La Valse. Also part 3 of Debussy’s La Mer (the sea).
@sarahedwards2
@sarahedwards2 Жыл бұрын
7:18 I’ve been saying that ever since the beginning of freshman year of high school when my strings class learned it, and it’s my example of a song associated with a minor 2nd.
@michaelmeyer2725
@michaelmeyer2725 Жыл бұрын
I really think the comparison of the 4th movement of "From the New World" and Jaws is a bit of a stretch. I seem to remember seeing some sort of documentary about Jaws and Williams and he discusses how he came up with it, but the reference is a touch fuzzy in my mind. That said, the Mars pull and the Nutcracker ones are spot on. Good stuff as usual!
@ianpunter4486
@ianpunter4486 Жыл бұрын
Yes...I have seen the Jaws/shark theme compared far more often to the 2-note accelerating theme from Prokofiev's Alexander Nevsky 'Battle on the Ice'
@nedludd3641
@nedludd3641 Жыл бұрын
We all know 'Star Wars' to be an all-time movie classic, but some have suggested that at the time of production it was looked upon as just another space opera? Was Williams aware this film was going to be immortal at the time he composed it?
@LocrianDorian
@LocrianDorian Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed your take on this topic. A lot of musicians have been very successful just taking older pieces, then repurposing or redeveloping them. We all do it subconsciously sometimes even. Especially when it comes to Hollywood though, there are certain preconceptions they have to be met for the music to sound "right" for each scene. The chord progressions used, dissonance, etc.
@sjt4225
@sjt4225 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely wonderful video. Thanks so much David.
@PeoniesRoses
@PeoniesRoses Жыл бұрын
Now it makes sense why I sometimes have the feeling I recognize themes from classical pieces in scores. Even if it's not always true in specific cases it still proves that it is in fact not always false when you have the feeling you recognize a theme. I had never heard the star wars one but even before you said it I immediately recognized the rite of spring in the second example. I was quite appalled tbh.
@tedl7538
@tedl7538 Жыл бұрын
Not to mention that Williams ruined the Rite phrase by dumbing it down into parallel movement of the dissonances.
@presterjohn9624
@presterjohn9624 Жыл бұрын
IMO the death star exploding music is much, much closer to the end of the first movement of Mahler's 2nd symphony. A more obvious lift from Tchaikovky's violin is the main theme from the movie, The Right Stuff.
@NilsSF
@NilsSF 5 ай бұрын
In conclusion, John Williams invented hip hop.
@grooviestthings
@grooviestthings Жыл бұрын
So much silliness David, you silly goose you! (Great video btw)
@panosmosproductions3230
@panosmosproductions3230 Жыл бұрын
Is there a 24/8 time signature?
@WeatherShine
@WeatherShine 10 күн бұрын
Pablo Picasso said: Good artists copy, great artists steal😉
@CatherineC.2123
@CatherineC.2123 Жыл бұрын
The main theme from the 1970 film version of Jane Eyre was taken from a tune in the opera Pelleas and Melisande.
@fulltongrace7899
@fulltongrace7899 Жыл бұрын
Which P & M version? Ravel, Debussy, Sibelius, Faure?
@dave8181
@dave8181 Жыл бұрын
I think the Sicilienne is very close to the Harry Potter Hedwig theme
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