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[@dannyv970]

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[@blakem.2611]

Story 3: HELL YEAH! I am a concealed carrier myself, and I hope I never have to use it, but, I am so glad I finally heard a story where a woman did have one. Of course her decision to go to the bathroom alone in their room was not the smartest. But I can't tell you how many times I've heard stories on here were people are extremely unrealistic about dangerous situations or self-defense. Not carrying any weapons or tools on themselves to deal with these situations. Really proud of the woman Story number three and she took her safety seriously and carried a weapon on her.

[@mgaus]

People against personal defense are the worst kind

[@donaldallen1213]

⁠@@mgausno, people that think they need a AR 15 for “personal defense” are the worst kind!

[@mgaus]

@@donaldallen1213 vehemently disagree. Look up the history of disarming citizens, particularly the crossbow. It's never about citizen safety; it's about protecting the status quo

[@donaldallen1213]

@@mgaus you are comparing “disarming citizens” to “personal defense”! You are already too far gone! 🤪 Seek help!

[@mgaus]

@@donaldallen1213 so your response to a logical argument is an ad hominem. Please attend a class on debating if you care to participate

[@KE-xj9vm]

That first one had me sobbing. Nothing like an abused kid asking for his mom to make my heart ache. Thank god the hotel manager was switched on

[@user-vl2in3wr1t]

It had me laughing. Nothing funnier than trash breeding with trash and expecting others to fix their problems

[@kardona_3]

Bro he said “dozens of cops surrounded the building” before anything even happened. Even before the hostage situation

[@amirahdawn8309]

That first story is the prime example of the saying “If you see something , say something”!

[@pollypockets508]

OP was a hero

[@prissyjones8892]

Story #3 was very surprising i never would have thought she had a weapon to defend herself, very smart lady so glad she's ok

[@esteemedmortal5917]

Kinda smart. Way better not to walk into an obvious trap.

[@Strider_Jaco]

If she was smart she should’ve just switched them to a different room instead of going to try to fix it herself since she was already getting bad vibes from those guys.

[@Philosophycase15]

Yeah, I assumed it was a fake story until she mentioned that following this incident, she left her job and went to college for writing. At that point, I was no longer assuming, I was sure. lol

[@philmcclenaghan7056]

Very smart lady? Stupidest lady I every heard of - the drain is broken, normally a smart person would have simply, you know, offered them another room??? That's happened in every hotel I've been at. And second, she went to check out out herself?? What was she planning on doing? Does she have a tool belt and knowledge of plumbing? Idiot.

[@datheamore6395]

​@esteemedmortal5917 Yeah, but she was only 18. I was assaulted at 18 because I asked a guy out who was in his early 20s when I had only dated high school boys and I was put in a bad situation. SImply because I thought most men were good and decent and not coercive. It wasn't a smart move at all, but to assume she would know better at that age is presumptive. Especially if she didn't grow up in a rough situation.

[@Heavyisthecrown]

someone actually helping a child in need is the best thing ever! That’s A HERO

[@JS-to4yu]

The ending of the hot tub creep was so satisfying 😊

[@Shantastickle]

I wish I could have seen what happened to him. Shame he was okay. ☺️

[@RobertGreenwald]

I actually want to know what the mom did to him.

[@Shantastickle]

@@RobertGreenwald I personally was hoping for something similar to Lorena Bobbitt.

[@59Alaskan]

She should have locked the security lock when asking them to wait in the hallway... sheesh people! So happy she was carrying and managed to take care of the "problem"!

[@CocoWantsACracker]

@@59Alaskan You are getting two stories mixed up here, but the other story you are referring to was also very satisfying. And frankly, the fact she didn't lock them out but ended up shooting one of them probably resulted in these guys getting caught and not being able to make any more victims (at least for a long time to come). It may have been traumatizing for the person involved, but she took one for the team.

[@daisyzorn572]

Concealed carry for the WIN. Mine got me out of an attempted carjacking with my babies in the backseat.

[@MrPoetistic85]

As a dad myself, story 1 made me tear up. I cant imagine doing that to my son and putting him through that. Glad that SOB was served justice. He's lucky he didn't receive grave justice....that SOB....

[@mikearringtonbf52]

Dang right brother eff that sob

[@jrzjnz7573]

Brave little boy in the first story ♡ Love the protective sense of community in Story 6.

[@wthv8925]

incredibly heartbroken for the woman in story 8, i can only pray for her wellbeing

[@nourshokr3291]

What does a pair of Levi's and a cheap hotel have in common? No ballroom.

[@notemmiee]

listening to this while working at a hotel is perf

[@ccow24]

Ooooh I bet so!!!!

[@phoenixrivenus9270]

Legitimate

[@mistymcd2292]

I used to do nite audit at a hotel, this probably would have been pretty great to listen to then!

[@shawnbbunbbbybbb3942]

Be careful hopefully we don’t hear u in any future stories

[@khanstruct7482]

That's exactly what I am doing right now. 😊

[@sherylsocia4496]

I cant imagine hearing someone being murdered. How horrible for the victim and the guy that heard it

[@TheCodyMac]

Imagine if he had actually called the police when he first heard the violence. His personal opinions about the police likely caused that man his life.

[@lillylilly5415]

@@TheCodyMacthat’s what annoys me about these stories, 9/10 times they don’t call the police for whatever dumb reason.

[@Nerobyrne]

​@@lillylilly5415probably because they know a case where it made the situation even worse.

[@Dudewithnoface1]

​@@lillylilly5415because unfortunately in more situations than not, when you have a problem and you call the police, congratulations, you now have two problems. Granted that isn't always the case of course, but it happens enough to cause you to be apprehensive to call law enforcement for help.

[@skyegroome223]

​@@Dudewithnoface1yeah no thanks, if I'm being assaulted I'd rather have the cops called as the alternative is that no one is on the way to help 🙄

[@alejandra34]

The 2 ladies defending themself are so badasss!!!

[@Dionysos_____Alters]

Fiction ?

[@Dionysos_____Alters]

@@LoudPet636 No, these 2 women were awesome. What are talking about? How can women be misogynistic??

[@martharosettsky3536]

They're fake

[@AmazingAutist]

​@@Dionysos_____Altersthey're calling you a misogynist because you're calling those two stories fiction, for no reason.

[@Dionysos_____Alters]

@@AmazingAutist I ASKED if these stories are fiction. They call me, a woman, a misogynist for no reason.

[@karlamorales7848]

Omg story 1 made me cry, i am so gratefull for the employee that helped the little boy, more people like that in this world please! Great employee and human being ❤

[@adina2895]

That was the worst thing to say. I'm grateful for him being paralyzed now because we're together. How could anybody ever say that? Oh no.

[@mistymistybobisty]

I mean that last story....my worst nightmare come true!!! I do understand the anonymity of Reddit but DAMN I would want to know what country that was before booking a vacation!?? 😱🤦

[@sageestrada2068]

You just have to do your research on what countries you just can’t go to alone as a woman. It’s an unfortunate fact in most of them. Hell I don’t even want to go out alone in my own country and I live in the United States 😢

[@critterwhisperer5821]

@@sageestrada2068I feel that… ESPECIALLY after dark… well except Australia. I heard tarantulas come out after dark, which would mean tourists would hide. I’d def go meet the tarantulas tho and other wildlife. Maybe I should train a giant huntsman to chill with me. That way people would REALLY stay away

[@AMRELMAR]

It makes me think me think Thailand maybe but I could be wrong

[@Kingx90]

I’m thinking Mexico or Colombia

[@fleshdunce7951]

My best guess is some Central/South American country or somewhere over in Southeastern Europe

[@Bella.Parabellum]

The OP of Story 3 is badass! Good for her!

[@sarazufall9680]

This video had me audibly “YES. GIRL.👏🏻👊🏼“ing multiple times! If this doesn’t convince you to be prepared to protect yourself I don’t know what will. If the girl that worked at the hotel who got closed into the bathroom hadn’t been armed and properly trained on how to use a gun, her life would have been permanently altered, possibly ended. And had the girl trapped in her car been armed, she would likely have been able to escape that situation unscathed - however, what a badass that she took on THREE men like she did! It’s incredibly sad that just simply being a female can put your life in danger if caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. We all need to be capable of protecting ourselves, whether it be with a weapon or self defense training. It could be the difference between life or death, or serious trauma.

[@martharosettsky3536]

Multiple stories fake

[@OK-lm1hj]

@@martharosettsky3536ur moms fake

[@skyegroome223]

The story of the girl taking on 3 men was fake. No person in their right mind, man or woman, is going to leave the safety of their vehicle to take on 3 men who are hell bent on causing them harm, especially considering she mentioned that the men had tried pry the door open with a metal bar, meaning they had a weapon that they could've used it to beat her to death with.

[@raychwagner3657]

I was falling asleep to this video and literally sat up and said aloud “atta girl!” once she pulled out her conceal carry. So damn proud of her!

[@jinellkanach8946]

I was rooting for story #5!! Girl so glad you made it through 😅❤️

[@rb5078]

I’ve worked nights at a hotel for almost 15 years. Never enter a guest room at night. If there is a problem move them to a different room if you can. Otherwise they can either wait until maintenance comes in or they can go a different hotel. Edit: Always lock your deadbolt. So many people have access to master keys and simple mistakes where a key is given out to the wrong room happens sometimes as well.

[@v0kalbish660]

I do not believed the 3v1 beat down story at all 😂

[@smackedinthejaw]

You have to take all of these "true" scary stories with a pinch of salt. There is very rarely any evidence to back any of them up. It is just a story people have submitted online. That story sounded like some weird feminist fantasy.

[@pollypockets508]

I don't believe it either. She said she didn't have the means to go anywhere else and then said her company was paying for it. Also, no way she wouldn't have the address of the right hotel. It just rang untrue.

[@someguy5043]

Some of these are definitely just someones creative writing stories, story 5 had the car failing to start at the worst possible time, the 3 men taking 10 minutes to smash a window, a rainstorm to add intensity to the scene, and the woman turning into rambo to beat up 3 guys after getting stabbed and stomped in the head... then it turns out there were two hotels with slightly different names within the same area and she just happened to choose the one where the owners attack people with no given reason 😂

[@vvV-dl7kq]

Not sure why other people aren’t picking up on this. They’re all too excited about a woman beating up 3 men all by herself I guess 😂

[@skyegroome223]

As soon as she said she got out of the car to face 3 men and mentioned that the men probably thought that they were stronger simply because they were men, I knew the story was b.s. even if they weighed 100 lbs each, that's a combined total of 300lbs coming at her from 3 different angles. You'd have to be really stupid to leave the safety of your vehicle to try and take on 3 people by yourself

[@cassidyho939]

It reminds me of another variation where the girl NOPES out of the motel room after seeing how filthy it is- and sleeps in her car, which is parked outside her room. In the middle of the night, she awakes to the sound of someone breaking into said room. They head to her car, but she remains undetected due to her blanket and clothes (used as a makeshift pillow) covering her. When they head away from her car, she immediately starts it- and drives away. When she finally reports it, the motel is now deserted, implying the place was simply a hovel for those creeps- and they almost got lucky.

[@someguy5043]

@@skyegroome223 I mean a 200lbs 6ft tall female bodybuilder might stand a chance against 3 guys who only weigh 100lbs but it's extremely unlikely that 4 people who are that abnormal would be in the same place at the same time. A grown man who weighs 100lbs would barely be able to function but three of them who are also junkies came together to run a hotel and then just happened to attack chyna from wwe 😂

[@pollypockets508]

​@@vvV-dl7kqother people are picking up on it. There are other posts about it. Also, at thr beginning of the story she said she didn't have the means for a better hotel and then said her company was paying for it. Also, she said her boss booked it for her and that seems like a job for an admin assistant. My former coworker did this for our entire department. Though I'm sure not all places are the same. Also, she really didn't know the address? She just happened to type the wrong hotel name into GPS. Also, she never said what was wrong with her car. It's all quite sus.

[@louisleon4419]

This is one of the best episode u’ve ever done, Joel. Stellar performance especially on the last story.

[@laurahenriksen19]

That first story killed me. I have kids. It's an AWFUL prospect 😖

[@margaretjohnson6259]

story one: bravo, hotel worker!

[@beth5633]

Joel, your voice makes me happy. I have to point that out. Please never ever stop narrating

[@plumbus8315]

I love it when good fights back!

[@g1rldraco7]

Let's go Jane Wick!!!!

[@keelangibson6902]

Alright! Hotel stories are some of my favorites. Thanks a bunch!🤗

[@lloydewers8777]

I listen to these vids every time they’re posted.. this one 2nd or 3rd story. 18 y/o female w/ concealed carry for the win

[@shaneriley6384]

Calling bullshit on the 5th story ! Really ? Men with a crowbar couldn't break a car window after 10 minutes ? Yeah no !!!

[@skjones91199]

Yeah I'm with you on that one. I had to bail after that story!

[@ScottJarvisMETALHEAD]

The story telling is that captivating i sometimes forget your telling someone else's story and not your own

[@angusmerriweather1589]

Kudos to the women in Story 3 and Story 5 for being brave enough to save their own lives. Otherwise, they wouldn't be wouldn't be alive to tell their stories.👍👍👍

[@can-dance]

Agree! I wish more ladies would take self defense classes or get comfortable with carrying and handling a firearm.

[@patinamolina1279]

Wym? I should be defenseless for my safety

[@jackeff5835]

story 5 was bs IMO. No way she fought off 3 guys with one having a knife

[@can-dance]

@@jackeff5835 maybe she had a black belt? 😂😂🤷‍♀️

[@Flamsterette]

No, really? I thought they were dead and talking from beyond the grave. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@jojowynne233]

12am here in Australia and I’ve just finished listening to these amazing stories. No way was I going to sleep through those. Thanks so much 🙏

[@AA38063]

Jesus christ all these stories were mental....great video lets read

[@melissamoonchild9216]

just want to say how much I appreciate this channel and community. 🖤

[@EliJah-mq8hc]

I love listening these well getting ready for bed smokin

[@elizabethlindor4320]

Story 6 was funny I’m so proud of that young lady and all the ladies that took action 😂😊❤

[@kimberlyshepherd270]

Thank you Joel for the much needed video ❤

[@cindycleveland8737]

Hi Kimberly.

[@ScullyPopASMR]

The EMPEROR OF READING has spoken!

[@mgaus]

It's as if though he isn't....

[@paoladelvalle8794]

I love story #2. When the perp becomes the victim.

[@missrockets777]

Time to relax .. thank you let’s read

[@jackspring7709]

Story 1: Thank God for that OP.

[@djpempek]

Thank you Joel.

[@abigailsandoval2632]

Story 5 : I’m so glad you’re alive and you held your own. Praying for justice for you

[@fifty6648]

To the women who were attacked, I'm so sorry that happened to you and you did not deserve that. Those scumbags are not real men they are just trash. I'm also so so proud of you for fighting back. You are strong and awesome!

[@MotorPsychos70]

As a girl, these stories really open my eyes up a bit more

[@datheamore6395]

You should listen to Jethro Tull's No Lullaby. It is essentially about the wake up call we all are eventually taught. May you only ever learn by these stories and never by putting yourself in a bad situation.

[@MortisGrimm]

Man that first one had me in my feels. Your my motivation to keep making my own stories ❤

[@IAmNiyahSimone]

46:17 they stood on business fashoo😭!!

[@ericakane9628]

Joel , your voice is very soothing.

[@JT_Gamble]

“I’m glad he got crippled cuz we wouldn’t be a couple if he couldn’t walk”

[@anamenouknow5197]

Just when i am trying to sleep. Thanks❤

[@thejudge1712]

Hotel manager from the first story is a hero.

[@skinnylegendz6940]

TY Joel, keep crushing that Fitness Routine 💎💎

[@tommyp.8776]

These stories were satisfying!!!!!thanks

[@Flamsterette]

Thanks for the scary upload!

[@honeytrxp]

Thank you Joel ❤

[@michaelmcguigan5278]

Story three is the reason it is so important for good people to carry concealed weapons. Because there are horrible people who will try to take advantage of good people, however, if you were trained in proper safety, and use of a handgun, it alleviates those problem people quite quickly. Not to mention, save your life, like it saved the young woman’s life at 18 years old when she would’ve been raped and potentially killed.

[@avamasquerade]

It's weird that in the years since I started carrying, I haven't had a single instance of needing to draw, whereas the years prior were speckled with opportunities where I 100% needed a firearm and didn't have one.

[@ninja1man4u]

Always better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Glad that kid didn't freeze and she made it out again. She did the right thing

[@can-dance]

ABSOLUTLEY! And she did everything right.

[@patinamolina1279]

@@jessicaferguson4518personally, I’d rather have the gun in that situation

[@amemooress6291]

​@patinamolina1279 you mean the gun with proper training?

[@mimiherrera9484]

Listening to this while living in a hotel 48:50

[@karynbanksley7110]

Mimi, purchase a can of longshot wasp spray; you know, the kind that shoots about 20 feet. If someone’s ever trying to attack you, spray it in their eyes. Also purchase a high powered stun gun to keep on you at all times, even in the bathroom when you take a shower, and be sure to lock the bathroom door every time you shower.

[@michael9085]

That last one was so real. And he last sentence is so spooky too bc it’s so applicable

[@irinievanaarde9238]

Story 1... That lady did GOOD!!

[@LaViejaBruja05]

I listen to your podcast al along my pregnancy, now my newborn baby and I fall asleep to the sound of your voice every night❤

[@sunchaser89]

STORY 3 WAS SO SATISFYING! Go girl!!!

[@myraclayton1860]

Awesome Video!!!

[@Redbeard424]

"Herrrrreee's Jooooel!!!"que Jack Nicholson in the shining!

[@frederic450]

Thank you for all these amazing bangers ❤❤❤❤

[@ArialNge]

Story n.7 was ridiculous. She ends the story saying more or less « I’m glad my husband was paralysed, because he wouldn’t have broken up with his gf and discovered his love for me if not for that event» like ??? How toxic can you be…

[@SunnyofOz]

I travel constantly and I used to skip hotel stories but now I have to skip the Airbnb ones 😅

[@avokittypup]

Listening to this while cooking! 👌

[@lmdavtube]

I'm surprised so many people don't realize most of these are pure fiction.

[@lchapo5469]

Story 5 SO scary😲 Protect yourselves at all costs 🥋🥊🥊

[@thegirlatthefrontdesk3519]

I really enjoyed this one. I always do, but this one was very satisfying.

[@Zkasow]

That 5th story - woman is a freaking legend

[@TheCodyMac]

Yeah, legendarily stupid AF from start to finish: For taking 6 hours to make a 3 hr drive. For traveling to the wrong hotel, which happened to be a seedy motel with a different name. For running her car battery dead. And then the Darwin Award, for leaving the safety of car prior to the police arriving, so she could attempt to fight 3 scrawny drugged out men (with at least one being armed). What an inspiration! You must be very easy to impress. Lmao

[@djwhat5]

Lmao such a fake story

[@user-kx1cp8bf4w]

Great action from the hotel manager in story one.

[@Sporkyboi]

That last story was just heart breaking.

[@laurahenriksen19]

Poor Derek 🥺I remember being in a temporary house after a fire. It was only a five minute walk from the address I lived at but it was honestly like Beirut at night. Street fighting with gangs every night for a while and I had to listen to a girl being beaten outside. I kept talking to myself in my head trying to figure out how to help her, I was alone with a two year old upstairs. If I left the house I would put myself and her at risk. I couldn't leave. I lay under the quilt and prayed they would stop. I had no phone. No possessions in general so couldn't call anyone. It was utterly shattering. I totally understand the feeling of powerlessness in those situations. You don't ever forget it 😢

[@Flamsterette]

Paragraphs are a good idea here.

[@alfonzo7822]

Are you actually going around, correcting everybody's grammar on YT? ​@@Flamsterette

[@Flamsterette]

@@alfonzo7822 Why not?

[@thetwitchywitchy]

Story 5 i was like “wait why is she getting out of the car…” and then i remembered she was built like Shaq and was about to rip them in half 😂

[@nightwolfpence890]

About to go to work and listen..I do night security at a really big condo resort alone lol so this will be perfect..also alot of suicides have happened at the place so that kinda ups the creep factor.....and I love creepy

[@carangi84]

Thanks!

[@IAmTheWalrus199O]

I was just about to nap 😍😴

[@joshualuke7003]

It's interesting how often there was 'never any investigation' in these true stories.

[@sir.spookeys.stories]

12am here in England. Its bedtime and my favorite story narrator has uploaded! Love your channel Joel and you're an inspiration to me as I started narrating because of you! P.s its a shame I can't make the live streams due to the time difference 😴

[@Flamsterette]

*IT'S

[@Shantastickle]

I hope you get to catch one someday. They are special😊

[@muckedupfind8173]

@@Flamsterette Grammar police

[@Flamsterette]

@@muckedupfind8173 Nothing wrong with that.

[@chinolebron6233]

Most of this 💩 happens because everyone in these stories are too damn afraid to tell a b***h to BACK THE F@%K UP! Once, my mom had a guy following her closely for like a mile until he eventually decided to rub his crotch on her butt in front of a corner full of people waiting to cross at the light. My mom then proceeded to elbow him right in the face and told him to F OFF! Moral of the story? He left her alone after making it seem like he was innocent. You have to advocate for yourselves people! Doesn't necessarily have to be violently. If a motha' fucka' is staring at you creepily let it be known that you see them. You're aware of them and you're not gonna tolerate whatever BS they have going on in their head.

[@idkman0_0]

Just in time for me to go to sleep 🥱😴

[@pkthekido]

Story 5: what a badass 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@djwhat5]

That story is so fake

[@josephperkins4857]

Maaaann that first one really got to me 😭😭😭

[@naomihill4469]

I’d love to hear more stories about women standing up for themselves, it makes my heart so happy!

[@adrianamendoza5441]

My sister worked at a hotel and she always seen some crazy things… it’s sad how many ppl committed $word especially since it’s was on the beach

[@avamasquerade]

2nd story, he picked a good one, alright. He had to be over the absolute top to even get caught. Edit: #3 and #5 makes up for it though 👏👏

[@sladey21]

Story 5 I've heard a few different spins on it now 😒

[@dionysusyphus]

Person in the 3rd story is a hero

[@lacylaizure6540]

Damn, story 3 was a twist!

[@athenablack3839]

Currently staying in a hotel. I also listened to National Park stories and stories about being in the woods while visiting the Smoky Mountains this week. 😂

[@710meep]

we makin it out the attic with this

[@RockerRed]

Love you KZbinJoel! 👍🤘🎃🦃

[@RockerRed]

Hiya from 2024! Love you KZbinJoel! ❤ 👍🤘Thank you! Thank you! 💚🦋💚

[@rheabarbeau457]

God bless you Alex I know what it feels like to be young and breaking your back and having to be in a wheelchair but not giving up to be able to live our dreams and when things are hard we figure out a way to make it work out God is always good we are just passing through this life and we will all be healed on the other side and walk again❤❤

[@Heavyisthecrown]

“Police will just make this worse.. then immediately heard crashing…. And he was begging for his life “ 😂 oh yes those bad police 😂

[@jessemusgrove83]

Maybe if number 4 would have called the cops sooner Derek would have lived.