800m Faster Than Ever | 800m Solved

Marco Arop’s performance at the Paris Olympics challenged long-standing beliefs about the 800-meter race.

[@sertyuik]

That world record might have been...'assisted'

[@TrackStar42]

No chance, he never failed a test. He was just born different.

[@Josiah_Vidzro]

@@TrackStar42he’s talking about the female record

[@MayBEEeBee]

Doping regulations weren’t as strict back then which is why the women’s 800 and 100m records are nearly untouchable.

[@Jeffrey-i1n]

​@MayBEEeBee Don't forget the women's four hundred meters and women's two hundred meters, yes all the women's sprint records established in the 1980's how coincidentally in that time frame of 1983-88, including the women's 4X400 the first and second fastest times in the 88 SEOULE OLYMPICS, although the #2 American record may have recently been eclipsed by another Ladies American outstanding quartet. But Eastern bloc countries have admitted their athletes across the board used steroids and so did Western athletes OBVIOUSLY

[@BigKingJohn]

This is a Russian disinformation channel, so don't be surprised he continually defends PED-assisted records.

[@charlesblithfield6182]

BiCarbonate loading and beet juice plus a shot of espresso for 0.1sec extra. I love the 800 because it, the 1km bike track TT and 2000m rowing are the lactic acid Queens and Kings.

[@AndresRojas-ig6ru]

No será mucho para el sistema nervioso ?? Aunque cada una de ellas es muy buena, saludos , excelente consejo

[@whaleroast2372]

Do you think that stsrting too slow is potentially sub optimal because you need to run in the outside lanes to catch back up to the race leaders?

[@allworldzeus5935]

Distance runners also have the habit of not being in the gym and completing the basics to train. Honestly the culture is to do a shit ton of intervals and long runs and hope to have god given talent. Speed endurance is key to an middle to long distance even. All distances before the event add up to it..800m need to work on 200m, 300, 100 and so on

[@theperfecteraser5988]

Every single pro doing distance is in the weight room a lot idk what the hell youre on about

[@allworldzeus5935]

@@theperfecteraser5988 you are ignorant

[@NoorKhanNY]

I've been wondering this for so long. Why do people not negative split the 800?!?! I've even spoken to elite 800m guys and they're just like 🤷‍♂️, that's what everyone does

[@TheWayToWin]

The previous video explains that. In short, they are driven by selfish interests to take an advantageous position early on; however, it backfires in the end for everyone.

[@coltonplummer5599]

Usually it’s to gain a better track position. Sometimes if you start too slow you can get stuck in a bad position which could ruin your race. Also depends what kind of runner you are. If you have a good kick (finish the last 100m ish fast) then even splitting would work better for you, if you don’t have a good kick getting out harder for position and trying to run the legs off the people with a good kick. Have to play to your strength. Not as simple as there is only one way to race the 800m

[@flowingafterglow629]

The idea that even pacing of times is important, so much so that it's better to aim for a neg split. But I think that 800 is the balance, here. Would this strategy really work on something like a 400? On a 200? I don't think anyone would think to back off on the first 100 of a 200. And even at the 400 level, it's more about getting going and just go. And for a 1600, it's obvious to pace back, but it's that 800 that brings a challenge. The question is, how long can people really sprint? I think that 400 is right at the limit (and that makes the 400 hurdles the absolute challenge). What this video is basically saying is that you can't sprint 800 m.

[@squealer42]

Michael Johnson's PB came the same way. Accidental slow first 100M

[@evandempsey7613]

Isn't perfectly even pacing the ideal for any race distance? The only problem is it's very difficult to know the exact pace you're capable of running, and exceeding it by even a little bit early in the race will put you in oxygen debt for the rest of the way. That's why the typical goal for longer distances is to negative split: while you might not run as fast as you could have if you ran your optimal pace the whole way, by starting slower and speeding up, you will at least avoid the risk of crashing and burning. The difference with shorter races like the 800 is that if you are a lap into the race and realize you could be running a lot faster, you only have one lap to adjust your pace, whereas in a longer race like a marathon, you have more time to fine tune your pace to how you feel. I imagine the real reason that positive splitting has been the standard practice at 800m is that it's easier from a mental standpoint to just push hard and hold on than it would be to try to make in-race adjustments to hone in on the ideal pace, whereas for a marathon, the opposite is true.

[@TAiCkIne-TOrESIve]

Who are these 800m experts? Why don't they go try it out themselves at the the world championship?

[@kumamonkumamoto3844]

I am an expert.

[@gtrdoc911]

The point he's making is that to run your quickest time possible in the 800, your 2 laps should be about the same time. So if your all out 400 is 60, no strategy in the world will allow you to run 1:45.

[@justsomenapalm5067]

These videos have been amazing. Your thoughts on the toe drag? Purposeful or a result of low heel?

[@AthleticsEditz]

Thanks for these videos!

[@TheWayToWin]

Thank you too

[@AthleticsEditz]

@ :)

[@Wells-ws7mw]

He was shielded out of a World record and Olympic Gold.

[@cg-no3ok]

Need to also remember that even splits are actually not 'even'. The acceleration phase means it takes more effort to run a 50 or 51 first lap from a standing start than it does to run a 50 or 51 second lap from a flying start. That said, the premise of more even running makes intuitive sense to me. The idea of rushing headlong into oxygen debt and carrying that for a longer period doesn't. At the same time, i guess there are two approaches physiologically - either delay the onset of heavy lactic buildup through a slower first lap or deal with the buildup from a faster first lap by effective buffering and lactic tolerance. I suspect the physiological makeup of different athletes might influence which works better for them. The next world record holder will probably be capable of both.

[@chocolaterower]

In rowing it’s called negative splitting. Start just a little under the desired pace and then go faster for each interval

[@valenzupc]

Kratochvilova record =ultra dopping

[@ЯрославКовальчук-и9ь]

1980s eastern block drug protocols were GOATed...

[@lassitcl1]

The 800m is about speed, aerobic strength, strategy, effort and (drums please) rhythm. The 800 is like golf, meaning a good golfer has to be consistent and strategic. Even with multiple perfect you’re almost never going to get a whole in one. I believe that if our elite runners ran more races the chances of breaking 1:40 are much higher.

[@alvarojrgalo926]

Great info trying to teach them how it's done is much easier than doing it. He forgot to say these r god speed

[@swaggyp1320]

Would you say you have to train a certain way to benefit from GTO? Or that training one specific way might make even splitting not accurate due to the style of training? I think that we can apply stimuli that make us specific archetypes or kinds of runners.

[@TheWayToWin]

GTO is a theoretical model, but it works in real life with the right training. Eliud Kipchoge is a perfect example of this. When he broke the two-hour barrier, his splits were almost identical, and the pacers around him gave everything to support his effort.

[@PerryScanlon]

The official men's record was done with positive splits. Also, 100m runners reach top speed around 60m and slightly slow down to the finish.

[@TheWayToWin]

This video doesn't cover how to win championship races, as that requires an additional skill set. Instead, it focuses on the human absolute peak performance of 1:40.6, achieved with negative splits.

[@PerryScanlon]

@TheWayToWin that's a reasonable opinion, and perhaps correct, but there's no hard science to prove that negative splits are faster in mid-distance and sprints.

[@cg-no3ok]

​@@PerryScanlon Good comment but i'm not quite sure what hard science you are looking for. There are good physiological reasons why building high levels of lactic early in a race is not efficient, and examples cited in the video of individual athletes whose personal bests were achieved with even or negative splits. I understand what you are saying about the burden of proof but I could equally ask what the hard evidence is for the traditional 2 second differential in laps. Not disagreeing at all that we should be seeking further evidence, and good on you for calling for it. I'm just not sure what form that evidence should take and how we obtain it. I wonder if there are differences between speed based vs endurance based athletes too. That would be hard to control for in an empirical study. Keen to hear your thoughts.

[@nickbamber268]

Depends on the sprinter. Bolt could accelerate all the way to the tape.

[@nickbamber268]

@@cg-no3ok This is bollocks. Even with positive splits you don't get into lactic acid until the final stages of the 800. Besides myoglobin, the oxygen which is already stored in muscle, the blood buffers the lactic acid to a considerable extent. These two constitute anaerobic fitness. Of course if you go out way too hard then you'll hit that point early and die.

[@alanpang8223]

Sounds mostly like BS. 800m is a mix of aerobic & anaerobic but largely relies on anaerobic endurance. Starting too hard is not about not being relaxed enough, it is simply burning too many of your anaerobic matches early to finish optimally...

[@nickbamber268]

Actually the 800 is pretty well 50% aerobic and 50% anaerobic when you analyse how much oxygen you use up in approx two minutes compared with how much you can absorb aerobically in that time.

[@TheWayToWin]

This sounds like BS because you were mentioned in the video as one of the experts

[@nickbamber268]

@@TheWayToWin Booooolllllooooocks

[@Emmanutd]

Great video! Is there any way to get in contact with you?

[@TheWayToWin]

Thank you. People usually contact me with no problem. See the channel's About section.

[@jono1457-qd9ft]

When you don't know anything about biochemistry, but you think you've got it all figured out 🤦

[@TheWayToWin]

History shows that even a deep knowledge of biochemistry cannot prevent stupid mistakes.

[@John-lr4hp]

For real. Suggesting that 800m runners stay fully aerobic on the first lap of an 800 🤦

[@rolandnelson6722]

“Her” 3rd ever 800m race.

[@moneymaverickstv]

Nice explanation.The men wr 800 will fall soon.

[@markolim8938]

Imagine Rudisha on carbon plated superspikes and maurten bicarb...

[@19Kamau79]

Baking soda have been around ever since just carbon plated spikes designed for modern bouncy track will make the difference.

[@nickbamber268]

Er is this blood chemistry really kosher proven? Baking soda hits stomach acid and you just burp.

[@cg-no3ok]

​@@nickbamber268 I tried soda loading a few times and it really upset my tummy. Spent the races trying to get to the finish line without sh#!tting myself. No ergogenic effect for me 😅

[@nickbamber268]

@@cg-no3ok Haha. Oh sorry, my comment was deleted here too by the kindly Way to Win. that's the second time. Free speech and all that. Maybe you'll get to read this one at least. Aqueous baking soda will just be neutralised in the stomach with plenty of wind as a consequence. I don't believe that it can be transported in a bioavailable form to the blood in some kind of liposomal state. My own experience similar to yours was during a marathon. With 8 miles remaining I consumed an entire packet of glucose tablets. I really couldn't stride out during the last couple of miles!

[@sambosworth7373]

Just like kiptum in marathon runs are best run as a progression

[@danbotez1307]

Have you heard of Dave Wottle ?

[@TheWayToWin]

the name sounds familiar

[@danbotez1307]

@@TheWayToWin His famous come-from-behind Olympic win also included a slower first 400 m than the last 400 m.

[@TheWayToWin]

@@danbotez1307 I made videos about him in the past. I mention him in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpvImoWmjMRrl5Y&t

[@TheWayToWin]

@@danbotez1307 I made videos about him in the past. I mention him in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpvImoWmjMRrl5Y

[@markford5198]

THE GOAL IS TO KEEP THE BODY TEMPERATURE DOWN...

[@nickbamber268]

Haha so the world's fastest times are run in Lapland.

[@athleticvegan9791]

interesting

[@TheWayToWin]

thanks for watching!

[@ЭдгарГольцов]

Из собственной ошибочной тактики пробежал пол мили вместо 800м. Но и кто в этом виноват? Появление карбоновых шиповок позволяет надеяться что феноменальный рекорд Рудиши будет побит. Они дают прирост минимум 1 процент. Поэтому тот кто выйдет на уровень Рудиши покажет 139.9 Карбон способствует равномерному бегу. Поэтому я не удивлюсь если будущий рекордсмен покажет 49.9 и 50.0 на двух кругах

[@nickbamber268]

Yes, I feel these new shoes are a bit like cheating. Because someone will say, Ah! So-and-so has broken Rudisha's WR and is therefore better than Rudisha was! You only have to look at these athletes running today to realise that, in spite of the fast times, they are not in the same class as the stars of old. Wasn't the blade runner eventually banned because his bouncy blades gave him an advantage (that's before he murdered his wife)?

[@ЭдгарГольцов]

Абсолютно с вами согласен! Якоба постоянно сравнивают с Эль Герружем. Но разве он равен Эль Герружа, который абсолютно доминировал на 1500м. Беги он в современной обуви, его рекорд был бы быстрее 324

[@nickbamber268]

@@ЭдгарГольцов Haha, Ingebrigtsen and El Guerrouj. No comparison.

[@robinbauer1975]

NAH Arop so fit nobody will match tat or imitate it cause it is almost impossible arop generally is the most relaxed while running

[@Jeffrey-i1n]

IF A BULLFROG HAD WINGS HE WOULDN'T BUMP HIS ASS WHEN HE HOPS WOULD HE!!!!!. IM SO SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING IF, IF, IF,. IF YOU CROSS THE FINISH LINE FIRST YOU WIN, CORRECT DUH, HOW HARD IS THAT TO FIGURE OUT IN ADDITION IF YOU FINISH FIRST YOU MUST HAVE THE FASTEST TIME, OR DID I MISS SOMETHING, MR. EINSTEIN