What No-One Tells You About Jazz Drum Beats

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Chapters
0:00 - intro
2:45 - why jazz beats are so hard
5:47 - semi broken time
8:06 - how to balance
8:52 - incorporating the bass drum
10:50 - incorporating skipped notes
12:50 - intro to improvisation/cliffhanger

Пікірлер: 65

@davidcertain2492 Ай бұрын

Play quarter notes on the ride and 2 and 4 on hi hat. That’s it. That’s all swing drumming is. Everything else is accents and ornamentation, froo froo. Jazz drumming is really jazz cymbal-big. This guy can’t swing with a click track.

@keyofweird Ай бұрын

I'm confused. He literally swings to a click track in the video, David. What are you trying to say?

@neworleansbeats Ай бұрын

80/20 plays like he speaks ....it's a form of tourettes. I admire his dedication and his concepts are often good. ...

@pangeaproxima3681 Ай бұрын

ok, ok...

@trevor807 Ай бұрын

Staring into our souls on that playing cam, like you know we aren't practicing the basics enough

@michaelryce1200 Ай бұрын

Playing swing is texture and touch. Subservience to the melody. In a way, it stops being a “beat” altogether. In my experience, I’ve had a lot of luck when I stop thinking myself as the timekeeper but somebody whose job it is to emphasize what the bassist and soloist are doing by sitting underneath them. It flips rock paradigms on it’s head and that’s why it’s so hard

@boboloko Ай бұрын

Ringo did this in his rock band (I forgot what they were called). He had limited musical chops, but he knew how to emphasize the songwriting and not distract from it.

@partimentieveryday Ай бұрын

Right and that’s why it’s so hard for me to play outside of the jazz idiom. I played so contrapuntally for so long it feels wrong to be a time keeper the way that rock wants you to be.

@pangeaproxima3681 Ай бұрын

ok, ok....

@jefferydaley755 Ай бұрын

De Johnette talks about getting the time in you're body then whatever you play with ure hands doesn't matter

@cfusilier2 Ай бұрын

Its been a while since I looked up some good ol jazz lessons. This is by far one of the best, and straightforward lessons I’ve ever seen. Thanks, man.

@morganneher8643 Ай бұрын

Appreciate all the great content lately, these are all topics that warrant the nuanced discussions you are providing 👍

@bobfitzpatrick8952 Ай бұрын

I feel so lucky to have seen Buddy Rich in concert in 1981.

@dantheman3825 Ай бұрын

I was born is 2009, not even a chance 😢

@bobfitzpatrick8952 Ай бұрын

@@dantheman3825 Even at my age, I was just being born around those heady days of Miles and John...😀

@pdsm1552 Ай бұрын

What nobody tells me about jazz drum beats is that mine are good :(

@8020drummer Ай бұрын

Aaaaw 🤣

@boboloko Ай бұрын

At least you’re playing. My kit was sold 20 years ago

@dominikn19 Ай бұрын

Don’t worry, we’ll get there… 🥲

@ruffryder13 Ай бұрын

Lol. Me too...but I agree with them

@benjammin4840 Ай бұрын

😂

@bryceyaple96 Ай бұрын

For anyone interested, the Chapin book “syncopation for the modern drummer” is a great starter to understanding jazz kit fundamentals. Definitely a hard one to get through but if you do, you’ll be a much better drummer for it

@8020drummer Ай бұрын

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZuapnd-mLyEm5osi=41sOfBXAG0S1sj6R&t=178

@68Bards Ай бұрын

Most promising/useful online jazz lesson I’ve seen. And Lordy knows I’ve spent/wasted a horrible amount of practice time watching them…

@user-ub6hd3nd4l Ай бұрын

I studied with Jim Chapin,Ed Shaughnessy,Joe Cusatis,and got to see Elvin,Max,Buddy,Morello..many others..And teach as well as play......The Chapin book..#1.......John Riley,great books.........Ralph Onofrio

@pangeaproxima3681 Ай бұрын

_and....?_

@ruffryder13 Ай бұрын

Nice lesson!

@fredericlinden Ай бұрын

"... drums kit, kind of felt, not heard..." YES !!!!

@MarkTarmannPianoCheck_it_out Ай бұрын

"way down, so it's kind of felt not heard" I guess most don't every get that advice or apply it. FELT . able to heard/felt even whilst playing quietly quietly as in part of an overall effective and varying and INTERESTiNG dynamic approach. sincerely , a pianist P.S. Please note the Italian word for soft.......PIANO!!!!!!!!1

@_MX82 Ай бұрын

it's been some time since I watched 80/20 drummer. one minute into the video: 😂😂😂. love it.

@drumswest Ай бұрын

I feel like it's way more important for beginners to keep the HH and ride consistent while comping with the snare hand or bass drum than mixing up the ride or HH pattern. If players don't have that foundation then they are just endlessly noodling with out any solidity to their feel and sound.

@8020drummer Ай бұрын

Possibly. Both are important. It might be that by the time students find me they already have the other stuff together. I do think it’s important, which is why I touched on it in the first part of the vid.

@DinoDiniProductions Ай бұрын

Any beat played with presence can never be boring, even the simplest

@8020drummer Ай бұрын

sure, but that's like saying "you should always be present while flying a plane; you'll be safer from crashing". You still have to learn which buttons do what.

@DinoDiniProductions Ай бұрын

@@8020drummer what’s that got to do with “boring”? My point is that the greatest drummers can do the simplest things without them being boring. I have found that the best remedy for boredom is to dive deeper, instead of distracting oneself by doing something else or trying to make things more complicated.

@8020drummer Ай бұрын

@@DinoDiniProductions and my point is that everybody always says this as if it’s all beginners need to know. You’re offering it here in response to a video teaching specific skills, I assume to mean “yes but keep in mind you can always just play quarter notes as long as you do it with feeling”. One of my ongoing frustrations is that when I was a student everybody had these absolutist one-liners and would just toss them off as if they were beyond question, not realizing that the beginners in the audience would meaningfully change course based on those words. “Oh I guess I should stop what I’m doing and just play quarters then.” Context matters. Yes, consider minimalism among many others colors on the palette, and yes, great players can and do use very simple parts without being boring. But to a beginner who’s wondering what to do within a swing beat, it’s going to be confusing.

@DinoDiniProductions Ай бұрын

@@8020drummerI am responding to your one liner about "boring'. I think it is incredibly unhelpful to imply simplicity is boring. I am countering that point taken from your video. I am not criticizing anything else, but making a counter argument to your specific comment. I think it is damaging because I bought into the concept of "boring' when I started making music and it took me decades to learn that simplicity is far more valuable and challenging than complexity. It irks me when I see the chase for complexity in music. I am not saying complexity is bad. I am saying that without presence it is meaningless. And I am also saying that simplicity is great tool for learning presence. And since learning to be present is the greatest challenge of all, it can never be boring. Are you seriously going to disagree with me on that?

@8020drummer Ай бұрын

@@DinoDiniProductions yes I will, in the full context of what I said in the video. First, the strong claim is that a beginner playing the same thing over and over because they don’t have any other options can Absolutely be boring, and telling them to focus harder is only one in a whole kit of remedies and often totally unhelpful depending on their stage. The weaker claim is that they Feel it’s boring, and want some variety without sacrificing the swing, which I think is closer to what I said in the video.

@blackl1steddrums Ай бұрын

The Hi-hat, aka my side-chik

@kaiowens1616 Ай бұрын

Interesting approach. It would seem to me that keeping the hats and ride consistent is more beneficial when first comping with snare and bass. This then actually separates the coordination of comping from the time keeping limbs. If you vary the ride beat for every comping pattern it is very difficult to not do that after practicing, in other words the time gets too attached to the comping patterns. This is just my personal experience though. What worked for me may not work for everyone😊

@8020drummer Ай бұрын

I’m not convinced that not varying the ride should be the goal. It feels like there’s an independence aspect when I play but I’d have to think about whether preemptively learning comping against the non varying ride cymbal should be such a big part of the teaching. Another thing that could be biassing me is that most students by the time they get to me already have that pretty well together but they have no idea how to play real phrases in time without losing the swing.

@kaiowens1616 Ай бұрын

@@8020drummer yeah it's definitely interesting. I just figure it is a better place to start as it historically came first anyways. It also generally seems much easier to start varying the time after you are comfortable comping all sorts of patterns underneath it because then you can just let your ride cymbal pattern match up with your comping, and I personally find that easier

@DavidThornley Ай бұрын

Can I drop in a note about cymbal tone? You're hitting yours straight down and getting mostly rumbly wash. Try hitting it as a glancing stroke across it - you should get a sweeter, lighter ping/ting/ching. The swung note can be a more casual tap. If you watch some of the older folk closely, you'll see the stick comes in at an angle. You won't necessarily see it keep going in that direction because the hand is thoroughly conditioned to catch it. Some cymbals you can just hit and they sound kind of OK, but finding how each cymbal needs to be struck for any given output level desired can make a huge difference.

@8020drummer Ай бұрын

ok I don't want to be some kinda way, but I'm gonna have to say "clip me" on this. It's easy to over-interpret room audio artifacts, etc. Also, I work for hours with my students on getting a light cymbal tone and playing off the cymbal, but I'm calling BS on the "side to side" thing. Possibly relevant - kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHW2e2uwgJqffdE

@DavidThornley Ай бұрын

@@8020drummer okydoke. Have you tried it? I've been seeking out how each ride cymbal wants to be played for 40 years. (That's an old photo of me :) )

@stevemiller1517 Ай бұрын

They call it the sweet spot.

@992ras Ай бұрын

Wrong it’s the drummer not the cymbal you have to know the sweet spot of the cymbal. The first rule is to just get swing down don’t worry about tonality or dynamics also in Jazz the riding hand is always the loudest part because it’s the driving force and you not looking for a good ping sound your looking for more of chick sound similar to chick of the high hat. The bottom of the of the ride cymbal has a wash sound about 1/3 up is the chick sound and gone up you get more ping with wash and the closer to the bell you get a defined ping sound and the bell is bright ping sound this on any size ride cymbal yes hand hammer cymbals will sound better than pressed cymbals but a good drummer can make any cymbal sound good.

@radkon67 Ай бұрын

Play along to albums before you play with a metronome. I've never played to a metronome while playing/practicing jazz.....everrrrr. High information music needs to internalised, or it will suck more than any other music. Thinking of a bass line will do more for your time than most other things. You gotta love jazz, music first, then drums in service of the music.