5 Subtle Ways Pros Can Tell if a Drummer's "Legit"

[@8020drummer]

If I could have called this anything, it probably would have been "subtle things *anyone* can tell, after 20 years of playing and 6 years of music school, about the quality of someone's drumming". But I had to make it shorter. But, to be clear, I'm not claiming to be on a higher echelon, or sitting in judgment. On the contrary, I'm still not great at a lot of these skills. My only point is - people with a lot of performance experience under high-stakes can hear more subtle things than the average untrained youtube watcher who's like "THIIIS IIIIS AAAAAWESOME" under every drum solo. But, as I said, many of them would also take issue with aspects of *my* playing. So it's not me judging you. It's them judging all of us ;)

[@andreyaek2266]

100%

[@ray32245mv]

Hey man, don't worry about some of these trolls. you are the most down to earth "here's what it really takes" drum/music adviser I've seen on here. And yea, that's what you are. You fill a very specific niche of instruction, and I don't even think you realized how good you were at it until you started doing it, and developing content. Don't take this wrong, but I think you tend to discourage some people, because the skills you illustrate are not achievable by everyone. Certainly not me. But that's why pro's are pro's. And that's why your channel is the real shit. If people have a dream, and by listening to you they realize it ain't gonna happen, they should be thankful. It's ok, right? It's not the end of the damn world. Anyway, you keep doing what you're doing.

[@tru_squid8641]

Thanks for this video been playing for 4 years and I’m starting music college next month

[@cormacmccoy1]

Nate man... You have a way of putting things that I respect more than I can explain, and I love your honesty and humility to be able to admit that when you are talking about "Pro" or "Legit" musicians, you are not necessarily saying that this is you. Thank you for the work that you do, these concept videos are always bang on, and although I think some of these (like the figures stuff) may be to the higher echelons of jazz drumming and maybe not show that there are some rock drummers out there who play solid time and are still legit as hell, I understand, and love everything that you are opening people up to.... Keep on man... love this stuff :D

[@cormacmccoy1]

@@ray32245mv I would disagree that you the skills are not achievable by you or everyone, as long as you are willing to put in the time you can get there man, just find the thing that drives you to learn it and go like a freight train ;) you've got this. But also I agree Nate has some lovely stuff in there :D

[@SpringtownSnareDrum]

99% of drummers watching this are just checking to see if they are a legit drummer or not

[@Nowhy]

Irony as usual...

[@mrbuchanan6305]

I'm naturally good ... but so unlegit haha

[@richardlionberger6117]

Lol.... your right.

[@bigpoppa1979able]

That's why I clicked on this video 💯

[@TextureOfCouch]

Nothing wrong with learning how to improve upon techniques! I don't pick up and learn songs quickly though. I don't see how it's possible. I'm sure I'm overthinking, but I also don't know if having autism affects the "natural" feel of picking it up though.

[@tikabass]

I'm a bass player. It takes 2 bars to figure out if a drummer is alright.

[@neocollective]

I agree...I'm a bassist too and still waiting to play with a drummer I like, meaning one that doesn't overplay

[@tinyb69]

A good number of drummers that I've had the joy of playing with, seemed to have stopped at at least 2 bars on the way to rehearsal.

[@TheOsfania]

Why are bassists such xxxes?

[@SSVplus]

You're a bassist. No one cares what you think.

[@johnboyle3297]

tiny b great comment ...you win and the prize is every drumming video on KZbin to praise or criticise at your leisure....thanks for the best laugh I’ve had all week

[@synthguy7774]

1. When you're able to play at a Guitar Center without being told to "keep it down."

[@smokenbudesq]

depends on the value of the guitar you play and look like you got the doe.sorry its not how good you are there now if you go to a jam and they want you to 2 songs in stead of 4 your not doing well if you are asked to do another set with a full house you rock.

[@rennoger]

Unless the guy's hard up to earn his commission and make a sale

[@HugoStiglitz88]

Hahahaha guess I check out then. I used to play the electric kits til they started asking me to go on the real kits lol

[@chriskelvin248]

I have NEVER been told to keep it down at Guitar Center- that happened at Sam Ash!

[@palehorse24681]

Lmfao. Too damn funny man. I literally want to drop kick fools off the stools smh

[@barkon]

In the early '90s, I played in a band with a drummer who was too good to be with us (But, we were in Alaska, so gigs were few and far between). He embodied all of these. I really remember when he sat in with us for the first time. We gave him a beat and rolled into an original. Almost immediately, he had found the perfect rhythm and caught the changes beautifully. The best moment was the finale where we had a one beat pause, then a replay of the intro line just before the end of the song. He stopped at the pause, thinking it was the end. When he heard it wasn't he waited for the guitarist to play a few bars until the PERFECT moment to come back in with the main rhythm mixed with some simple fills, H ended at the true ending as though he'd known it all along. It was so perfect, it became a part of the song. Haven't seen him in years, I hope he's still playing out...

[@adameves5970]

One of those fortunate mistakes, lol. You realize a lot of music is written this way. Kind of "happy accidents".

[@badtaste311]

People with that superb amount of skill are adept at taking the moment with their level of adroit abilities and leave one feeling as though it was a serendipitous moment.

[@MasterOfKnowledge.]

@Copter Cop Can't tell if sarcasm or seriously trying to lie about being this wild drummer 🤔

[@chrisking6695]

I did the exact same thing when I sat behind the drums with some dudes from another band and I'm a guitarist. It's intuition. Song patterns are repetitive. There's only so many options. So the drummer listened and knew when to get back in bc he's seen/heard it before from other musicians.

[@Rohmtschen]

We need to remind (or inform) ourselves that this guy is talking about pro level session drumming as a career - who makes the cut and who doesn't, and why. He's not talking about the casual musicianship in most underground bands out there. I've played in a few bands. Indie/Alternative/Hardcore crap. We played live. Recorded in studio. We weren't very good, but we had fun and got some compliments. Just one of a million amateur bands out there having fun. Just know he is talking about pro talent, not the rest of us, and as for the rest of us, don't worry about being awesome. Be as good as you have the inclination to be, have fun, admire your betters and help those beneath you.

[@manilamartin1001]

Music is a ladder. Some of us are on the top, most are somewhere else on it. But I hope we are all enjoying it, and sharing our talents.

[@patrickdezenzio4988]

Exactly. Think of the White Stripes. Can you imagine anyone else fitting into that style but Meg?

[@m118lr]

Great comment, sums it up for me. After all IF it’s not fun you’re NOT gonna hang..

[@samguy1901]

Fantastic comment!

[@teetomthomas]

Word

[@richsackett3423]

As a bass player: 1. Give me something to work with. 2. Don't make me come looking for you.

[@8020drummer]

Exactly.

[@t.muntaneer]

Drums follows bass, not bass follows drums.

[@mechajaraxxus3510]

@@t.muntaneer Drum and Bass both rely on each other

[@timsears4730]

@@t.muntaneer wrong...bass & drums follow each other ...bass & drums are the foundation...

[@t.muntaneer]

@@timsears4730 yawn. You will be very embarrassed once you get more experience.

[@TimmyTantrum]

Guitarist here: when my band finally found a drummer that not only could find 1, but stayed in the pocket, he complimented me on my ability to play on time (an apparent rarity for him among guitarists). I had to tell him that I was merely competent, he was the one who locked in so well. I ain't too proud to admit it: the drummer has the sole power to make or break a band.

[@blu4875]

It's true. The drummer is one of the most important parts of a band when they are playing.

[@brianyoung8999]

I went to an audition once (being a drummer) and the bass and guitar were never in the same time. They would play and I would have to adjust to one of them with the other way out. I have noticed a guitarist tends to chase the Bass no matter how many times he goes of time so I agree with your drummer.

[@littlegoobie]

at the same time, i've played with drummers with uneven meters. We all sped up and slowed down to make everything fit. It was weird but drummers are hard to find in small towns.

[@blu4875]

@@littlegoobie This is too true.

[@blu4875]

@Nick Pease Agreed. A solid drummer with a solid or even average bassist can make an okay song sound amazing.

[@systemafunk]

One thing that is, IMO, super helpful for a drummer is to have an understanding of chords and melody/harmony. Being able to hear transitions coming, or being able to know where you are by hearing the chords, is indispensable. Just because you aren't playing pitches notes doesn't mean you don't benefit a lot from understanding pitches and chords and chord progressions.

[@InnerDness]

Here's the non-obvious part: if you're not used to performing with people, in front of other people, you won't be very good at it.

[@johnstarrett7754]

Ego and self consciousness will kill you in public. I always played best when I didn't care about anything or anyone; I was just having fun. But I never did well in the studio, because the pressure of "this has got to be right" was so distracting.

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

Yup. Quit playing with yourself, LOL

[@ranbymonkeys2384]

It always took me about 1 minute and then the crowd disappears

[@drop0ut606]

People who haven't spent thousands of hours practicing alone in a room barely big enough to fit your kit in have no idea what you're talking about lololol.

[@BTGramkowski]

Everybody's talking about the drumming and I'm just worried about what this dude thinks a back yard is.

[@lancehollum5566]

Yea he's got some balls. He's not so great. He talks better then he plays

[@stoozdee]

Lance Hollum Yeah, no.

[@alexhelenabowmer]

@@lancehollum5566 love not h8 my guy

[@mikewithrow2271]

@@lancehollum5566 by all means bring us some knowledge.

[@Johnbobon]

@@lancehollum5566 You need to watch more 80/20 videos. Your opinion will become educated and therefore change.

[@TechTomVideo]

All 5 points in one: just play the song, not the instrument... you're welcome

[@JonnyJayJonson]

Sums it up for me!

[@Eric-yj5xg]

You've just locked everything up for the session guy

[@autohmae]

Love that one, because it also implies: do not overplay

[@crankmosh]

bam

[@j_freed]

I had guessed play the song or rather *always play everything as A song...* because otherwise people can tell your intentions.

[@jatodd3746]

Liked for not experience-shaming the kids.

[@j_freed]

Though if he'd had permission to share a few people's early, inexperienced performances that would have edu value.

[@bg357wg]

Or maybe his early stuff

[@joshuapickett8095]

I agree. Classy move.

[@matthewturner3169]

JA Todd same

[@NothusDeusVagus]

Not shaming others in order to back up your own points... I gotta give you credit for that...

[@sandc411]

in 30+ years of playing professionally, i've yet to be hired because i can play a 7/8 groove, can play a kickass drum solo, or can play a 32nd note fill. i'm hired because i listen, i watch, i know where 1 is, i play with a strong backbeat, i can play multiple styles, and i know how to bring a band in or take it out...

[@sandc411]

@Stephen j ya, i don't think so. drummers among musicians specially fall into the trap of thinking that if you can't play a one-handed roll or play a 32nd note filled solo one is not "good." i happen to disagree.

[@aiden_macleod]

If you're that accomplished, then why haven't you been hired again? Oh right, you never told us.

[@vladdrakul7851]

@@aiden_macleod Well done Aiden. You grabbed the wrong end of the stick and ran off with it. He did NOT say he has NOT been hired merely that when he WAS hired it was NOT because he can 'play a 7/8 groove, can play a kickass drum solo, or can play a 32nd note fill. I'm hired because I listen' Next time look before you leap!

[@RobMonty248]

@@vladdrakul7851 lol, yea... englash!

[@TheDrummer51]

@@sandc411 I agree with you, What keeps me working in my golden years is understanding that I'm not there to say 'dig me'. I'm there because my job is to make everyone else sound good.

[@steveburt2194]

Over playing is a turn off as far as drummers go. The groove is the thing.

[@MarioSilva-jg5nh]

Steve Burt bingo

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

Dynamics, too. I HATE the aim for the floor every second thing

[@mariosilva5690]

@@vodalavoid no one is saying to be a human metronome. But if a drummer concentrates on the groove the cool fills and colorings happen at the right place and at the right time. Otherwise, people play just to play when all musicians should serve the music and not themselves.

[@MarioSilva-jg5nh]

Tim Koupe yeah but it’s about the music, not about archaic this and that and your opinion on this and that. Every song and genre is different and unless it’s a drum heavy genre (and even those have fills within context) you’re complaints are invalid about holding a groove or not. YOU might want to hear fills everywhere but nobody else does. Especially if it’s on top of everyone one else’s stuff.

[@timesn7774]

@@MarioSilva-jg5nh yeah this dude doesn't get music. I play multiple instruments and listen to almost every genre. And that comment is not hitting the point at all. Like no shit over playing is called overplaying for a reason and yes a groove is needed? Hello.. but what about the main point, playing an instrument in this case the drums, with some damn musical competence and human feeling!

[@nerdvananc]

I've never heard anyone call it "lock up" - only ever "lock in" with the band!

[@brentjohnson7044]

I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if it's a regional expression?

[@johnstarrett7754]

@@brentjohnson7044 I live in Denver, worked on the East Coast, West and Midwest. I heard the expression "lock in" almost everywhere, but never "lock up".

[@Drew_Hurst]

I've also heard "locked in" as well.

[@augsdoggs]

Yep, I’m from Staten Island and he was filming on 26th st in Brooklyn in this video. Growing up playing in NYC, we’ve always said “locking in”. Same with my dads generation of players. But this guy may not be a native NY’er.

[@tatern3923]

"Lock up" is an expression typically used for something that seizes/stops working. It's weird to see it used this way.

[@noahbirdrevolution]

Spring tension gets me. I always carry my pedal with me. lol

[@harryxiro]

I know! sometimes when I play with a different kick pedal than my one I struggle to get double strokes out of the kick when the tension is too tight or too loose. If the tension is really loose though I sometimes struggle to get a decent amount of power out of the kick. That's why I always carry a drum key on me in the worst-case scenario for any part of the drum kit. For the most part though I can adapt to 95 percent of kick pedals I play.

[@nameloss]

Noah Bird see also: throne height just me? 😢

[@noahbirdrevolution]

@@nameloss I've played enough kits with crappy thrones, so as long as I have my pedal i can hit doubles fine - triples sometimes might be wonky at first.

[@sanityinaseaofmadness7353]

Spring tension is huge, but so is the snare (for me). The way it sounds and is tuned has a huge impact on the way I play. I used to look down on drummers who had to use their own snare when they played somewhere else - but now I totally get it.

[@canturgan]

@@nigelproctor That's too fast for my ears to listen to, they only go up to 200.

[@MalikEmmanuel]

I was legitimately scared that I was going to show up in one of the "not so great" sections....

[@Iheartumami]

Haha! You are too cute!

[@Drumaier]

@@Iheartumamiyou won the medall of the bizzarrest comment ever

[@Iheartumami]

@@Drumaier Haha ! I'm super cool.

[@drumyogi9281]

She is cute and can cook. Give her your digits dude.

[@harryxiro]

I did

[@carlosoceguera2091]

I have a complimentary one to number one. A pro drummer will always always always find a way to signal to the band about section changes, recently I had to do a recording session to a really “obtuse” and un even song in the way that choruses and verses came in and out, I found the first pass hard to navigate (the producer was useless) until I remembered the drummer was a good friend of mine who’s an incredible session drummer. The moment I started “Listening” like a hawk for his signaling was the moment I started enjoying the weirdness of the session.

[@8020drummer]

Yes! Non-verbals during tunes. Also, #7, knowing instinctively how far "out" or off the beat they can play without losing the band. (That one's more jazz)

[@stewie3128]

In a big band jazz setting, awesome drummers set up figures so well that I can’t help but play right where they tell me to.

[@dumpygoodness4086]

@@8020drummer there's an amazing open mic of musicians jamming together in NH... with a full backline (even brushes or guitar picks!!)...and so I started jumping on the drums (b/c I always wanted to play drums but couldn't afford them or a place to practice)....and since it's ALL improvised, and I'm often playing with musicians I've never met nor spoken to (!!)... I LOVE TO PUSH them... as only the Drummer can! Soooo much fun! EX: if someone goes into a famous cover song... I will consistently fuck with them by repeatedly changing up the beat (since everyone already knows the song) and ENTIRE feel of the song, and they have to keep up. SO MUCH FUN! [It's a really casual environment so no attitudes or concern for doing everything "right"!] And as the 30 minute slots near their end, i often will SPEED up more and more and say "let's GET SOME EXERCISE IN!!!" I love HOW the drummer can completely control all the other musicians, and I play with that a lot! (I love making artists Problem Solve!)

[@RussellTelker]

This is something I was always good at. Sadly, life got in the way and I didn't make time to continue playing like I would like to, now, at 40, I'm just getting back into drumming again and am NO WHERE NEAR gig ready, but I'm having fun in my basement!

[@utbdoug]

I can totally attest to the difference between playing on your own and playing live.. I was a bad drummer on my own, but I was f**king terrible playing a gig lol

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

Try jam nites 1st. Lots of those

[@timesn7774]

@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 what's that? Jam nights 1st? Is that like when bands come and play for first time

[@SeanLaMontagne]

Do not get discouraged. You have to suck at something before you can get good at it. We all gotta start somewhere.

[@ruelsmith]

I have to agree with you, but I think there is more. I actually saw two bands in two different rooms at a bar where the one was trying to play a lot of notes and the band even touted his ability and the other was quiet and unassuming. I told a friend of mine the quiet guy was light years ahead of the other guy. He doubted me. But that quiet guy was well in the pocket as he should be, very tasteful fills, you could immediately see that his skill level was above the other bandmates and he was actually playing pretty far down compared to his skills and a little bored of it. His lack of notes did not take away from the solid technique, feel, and sense of time he had. You know, as far as guys telling you that you don't have the hands someone else does, Steve Gadd can play circles around 99% of us. Most of the time he doesn't. It's certainly not because he can't. The song doesn't call for it, and playing lots of fast notes isn't even the point. Feel, sound, and originality trump chops any day.

[@neocollective]

Well said, with drums the Less is More becomes very evident

[@TheWitchOvAgnesi]

@@neocollective Not always. It depends on the music. Are you going to ask a drummer in a prog metal band to play only 4/4? Of course not. Unless the challenge is to play 4/4 while the band is playing 7/8 on top of it...

[@mariodriessen9740]

SpikeFlea ; It even goes beyond genres. I happen to like drummers who leave no space at all, but instead play with a huge range of dynamics and ghost notes. It's a matter of choice and taste. Having said that, a drummer is only good when he's good. I mean, you can play whatever you want, but if you don't nail it, you fucked up, no matter how many or how little notes you play.

[@TheWitchOvAgnesi]

@@mariodriessen9740 Very well said. What it comes down to is A) being skilled enough to *correctly* execute whatever is played and B) playing for the song. Within B though, there can be lots of room for interpretation. I agree with you on the drumming. I also naturally gravitate towards drummers who are more melodic in their expression. But they also tend to play in musical projects that allow for that expression. In other words, a melodic drummer would not make sense in AC/DC, and it would no longer be AC/DC as a result. But that doesn't mean the new incarnation would necessarily be bad if the drummer's parts fit and are properly executed.

[@mr.anonymous5501]

You're like a drumming Dr. Cox from Scrubs.

[@8020drummer]

I was going for Hugh Laurie from House but I'll take it

[@mattmartian1658]

Im sure i have all 5 of these qualities.. I just dont have a drum set to test my theory.

[@xDPx-zh7vr]

How to tell a good drummer. Is he bat shit crazy? If yes then he's a great drummer.

[@LordStompyHarpLoonyTunes]

Hahaha, so true, best drummer I ever played with was a really unorthodox metal dude, we had a short lived band. He was so driving and tight that my playing began to really tighten up even when I jammed with other people, they were saying: "man, you're playing's getting real sharp lately, what's happened?". The problem was the guy was batshit insane...nice guy but he was basically the local Keith Moon...one night coming back from a party I was driving him home and he jumped on my while I was driving and began violently molesting my nipples for no real reason, I nearly crashed into a power pole...he thought it was hilarious!

[@ntdscherer]

Crazy drummer you say? kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKfEpXeBpchjibc

[@Lannycakes42]

"play cleanly with yourself" ahh yeah..

[@AtlasCompleXtheProd]

lmao. Cleanly, of course.

[@Daberney]

That was a pretty sketchy "back yard" Eric Harland was playing in.

[@hello-ii6uy]

Chernobyl

[@Daberney]

Snidal ---- I dunno; it looks pretty American to me. Also, it's not glowing.

[@kelsulls]

Daberney looks like the bronx in the 70s.

[@ericsdrumlab4750]

OK, so the first two times I saw "copyright countdown: 5, 4, 3, 2, 1," I literally thought that was the name of some complicated play-along track with rapidly descending time signature changes 5/4, 4/4, 3/4 etc... and some metric modulation that was causing me not to hear the changes. I was like, "GAH, I can't hear it! I suck at drumming!" I finally realized it was literally about avoiding copyright infringement. LOL. Sometimes I overthink...

[@JonnyJayJonson]

Haha! You've hit on a good point there! When learning/practicing an instrument (I assume you're a drummer, as I am), it's hard to mentally escape from it. So you end up missing the wood for the trees, as the saying goes.

[@themetr0gn0me]

Same!

[@erikhellman9972]

Lol same

[@LuxPostNoctem]

The piece is "Entertain me" by Tigran Hamasyan.

[@synthguy7774]

Dude I thought the same thing.

[@rebusd]

If I could control my kids better it would likely also impact my drumming positively as well 😃

[@thefurbeastunderyourbed5012]

Well maybe you should lock your kids up for once then!😅😉

[@michaelstaton2695]

He’s 100% right but listening to him talk is like watching him play ... boring

[@jpboileau]

totally.

[@Oxfordstudios]

Sounds like Steven Hawking’s translator. Little to no emotion in everything he says and does.

[@littlegoobie]

being good at something does not equal being famous and/or successful at it.

[@xenech]

Yeah the dude looked so stiff and robotic

[@Rodzilla5332]

I worked with a dude in a music store who was an Eddie Van Halen savant. He would plug in a $100 Korean strat into a $59 fender 15w amp and just rip EVH and sound just like him. He sold cheap strats and cheap amps but they always came back because the customers couldn’t get that crap set up to sound like Eddie. That just proved once again that tone is in the fingers.

[@mariodriessen9740]

Rodzilla5332; That's one thing (and very true indeed), but do you recognize this?: I've been a guitar teacher for many years and I've heard and seen so many people who truely believed they could play that Steve Vai solo, or one of Eddie's, or Satriani, you name them. And then you ask 'em to play it and you hear what you expected all along. Yes, they practiced on the parts and they could play the notes, but the timing sucked, the phrasing was terrible, it lacked all the dynamics, the feel, the story, you'd hear noises, because they didn't understand that muting strings is just as important as hitting them.... AND THEY JUST DON'T HEAR ALL THAT!!! I'm not the best guitar player on earth (believe me), but atleast I KNOW I'm not. Atleast I can tell when I'm off. Atleast I know what I'm good at and what I suck at. And that's so important, 'cause when you know that stuff you can actually do very well by focusing and improving on your strong points, while ditching the weak.

[@greenwaldian]

@@mariodriessen9740 if that's what you think about your students then I'm sure you are not a good teacher

[@mariodriessen9740]

Gil Green ; I’m talking about new students mostly. I will always be honest and tell them that there’s more to playing music than repeating a bunch of notes. Some students will pick it up and will work on it, others will never get it. If it was easy, everybody would be a master guitarist. If not succeeding in turning every student into an amazingly good guitar player makes me a bad guitar teacher, then I am a bad guitar teacher. Happy?

[@RiffsAndBeards]

8:10 - Thats Aric Improta who now tours the world with Fever 333 and Night Verses and in fact does play those wild beats and the bands are amazing haha

[@devolve42]

One way to tell if a drummer's legit is if he has played in Frank Zappa's band.

[@JeighNeither]

Best comment of the feed

[@rbjax2001]

Lol. That's the top of the decision tree for sure!

[@MarkSpohn77]

Part of me learning to play a kit in the mid-to-late seventies was listening and playing to Frank Zappa and early Genesis to work on quick tempo and time signature changes and also using a plug-in metronome with loud click

[@rbjax2001]

Mark Spohn nice. Yep when I’ve met drummers and they say they are way into zappa you know they are next level. Also met a bass player once and before I heard him playing I was asking what he was into. He says well I was into everything and then spent a few years playing all jaco stuff. Some time later I actually jammed with him. Jaw dropping skills.

[@Twongo]

Or Les Claypool's

[@andrewbintang4591]

true and this will definitely help you get the average gig, but at the same time a drummer could meet all of these criteria and still not impress me because he or she simply does everything by the book sounding just like another dave weckl (or any other superdrummer) clone lacking creativity and a distinctive own style. perfection ain't everything, i'd rather enjoy listening to ronald shannon jackson play on that mandance album and let myself get inspired for days after to be honest.

[@destroythenarrative7941]

andrew bintang Well said, drummers like this 15 min neurotic douche are theorized to the point of boring puppetry

[@herz108]

I remember in the 70's when I was an aspiring jazz player on guitar and trumpet studying with Don Cherry, he would point out the difference between playing time and playing rhythm. That to me forms the basis of "It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that Swing". Check out Ed Blackwell on Complete Communion (Blue Note) or dozens of other recordings. My brother Dave who is a drummer would point out to me how he followed the polyrhythms his teacher (Elvin Jones) was playing and I never was able to hear the counting in my head while brother Dave could call out Elvin's 1 shifting and reuniting with Chip Jackson's bass playing in a different time signature on the same song. One time we were with a tabla player who was explaining a 4 against 7 cycle and Dave easily demonstrated it snapping 4 with one had against 7 with the other. Bottom line for me is I like this video because I learned something about hearing a deeper level of musicality. Well done. Much appreciated.

[@iqiu753]

Steve Herzfeld so cool that you and you're brother were able to study with Don and Elvin. Mind elaborating on the differences playing time and playing rhythm?

[@herz108]

@@iqiu753 I'm not a drummer and a point that 80/20 makes very well is that there is a lot going on in playing that listeners may not hear. Don Cherry was not someone who elaborated much verbally so when he pointed something out you had to unpack it for your own use. Some of what he said I'm still getting a lot of new utility out of. Basically my understanding regarding time and rhythm is that strictly only playing time is something a machine can do well and perhaps even more accurately than a human. The expression "beating the drum" sums up the subtle value of not caring for the life breath of the music. Playing rhythm involves finding a pulse that the body and soul of a listener can move with. That feeling that comes out of a bass and drum "rhythm section" that makes the music swing. Time can be described as "an eighth note gets one beat and there are 6 beats in a measure" while rhythm is what makes Coltrane's "Afro Blue" and "My Favorite Things" grab your soul.

[@AytchZero]

>Be me, stumble across this video, read the comments >See people banging on the video creator for using Aric Improta as an example of someone not "locking up" with a band. >Decide to search YT to see if they are right. He rocks hard. >Have to go about 15 videos down to find him playing with a band instead of solo. >He plays triple forte the entire song, completely drowning out the guys playing with him. This includes dropping into a fill during his bandmate's solo (oof). My 2 cent Conclusion: Dude is a badass drummer *and* there is also evidence for what is being claimed here. Everyone is right (and wrong). This is typical of how life on social media goes, right?

[@spankthadrumz]

Man just check out his band night verses :)

[@ConArdist]

He kills it in both Night Verses and Fever 333. Kind of a dick in person though, that was a turnoff lol

[@spankthadrumz]

ConArdist oh really ? Showman drumming and virtuoso skills can lead to being a dick in various ways because you spend little time being a Human ahah

[@aiden_macleod]

There are 2 types of musicians. Those who play great with a band..., and those who never will.

[@aiden_macleod]

@@ConArdist Beethoven, as much of an unparalleled musician as he was, had one fatal flaw... He was an asshole.

[@joshuaschwartfigure9342]

What i learned from this, Lars is definitely a bad drummer.

[@JerridGames]

Yes, but his sound is essential to Metallica's. So he is irreplaceable.

[@joshuaschwartfigure9342]

@@JerridGames I refuse to listen to anything after cliff.

[@joshuaschwartfigure9342]

@Beemer Bently Bill ward is pretty good in my opinion. My personal favorite is Bonham though.

[@thomasdaniels6824]

@@joshuaschwartfigure9342 What do you have against Jason Newstead?

[@joshuaschwartfigure9342]

@@thomasdaniels6824 He isn't cliff. I'm not saying he's bad but... He isn't cliff. Also, I like Rob Trujillo more just because I like Suicidal Tendencies.

[@21DaHoagie12]

Best thing for me as a drummer was learning how to play bass.. you realize if a drummer is good or not very quickly haha

[@KillerWhale_YT]

I'm a bassist and I can confirm this

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

Agree. But I've ALWAYS known and picked out the best guys in about 1 measure. I'm no Buddy Rich, either. But I got feel. I was once at a place leaving and the drummer comes in with THIRTEEN horns (no joke) and just tapping for tone, he was so good, I sat back down. It was friggin Gerald Dowd i think his name is. Day of the Dowd. Have a Google. Damn good player.

[@roddymac998]

Totally agree dude. I played bass in a band because the band was made up of 3 drummers haha. I basically got the bass straw. The weird thing is it really worked .. but I played bass like a drummer. All about the grove but on the bass. When I went back to drums I found myself following bass differently ..

[@chrismoody6041]

The no.1 thing I appreciate in a drummer is a keen sense of dynamics.

[@elementsofphysicalreality]

The guitarist wrote the music that Matt was playing with.

[@Doublebasist]

Great video, i would get the "how do you know" question from friends when seeing bands. It's hard to explain than even the way the kit can be set up gives you a clue, tuning and just how they start the tune, but as a drummer who was terrible at playing live as i suffered from extreme public anxiety i know that you can be better in private than in public. I came to accept that i wasn't able to play well in public but realise that the less you do, it can't really get better. I have zero opportunity to play in bands at the moment but i do manage to play while i'm waiting for my son to get out of the shower bucket and he often comes and sings along when he gets out. Great work and you always inspire me to rethink about all things drumming. Thanks Nate.

Hey DoubleBass (me too) nice response. Playing stages with direct lighting helped me get over stage fright since I couldn't see anyone out there anyway. I enjoy watching folks enjoy, and really love it when they want more drums! Yaaay! Pretty soon you can't wait to kick the crowd into party gear! It's the drummer's job to get the feet loose and hopping & bopping. Think about it, you are the proud beat-maker. Own it.

[@mikuspalmis]

I'm like a thief cause I'm always in that pocket.

[@hangover71]

According to whom?

[@aidenmoroney2632]

hangover71 it’s a joke shut up

[@hangover71]

Aiden Moroney joe momma is a joke

[@hangover71]

Yo momma would like that

[@aidenmoroney2632]

Lean like a Cholo huh

[@snogglemonkey]

When I think of how well I can play at home, compared to the stage, I am often disappointed after a gig. It is a damn hard thing to play really fluently in front of live audiences. This is one of main things that separate the pros from the rest - pros stay cool under pressure - not just in music but in sports and other endeavors.

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

Get a 50.00 tripod and record. Jmo. You'll be surprised in lots of ways.

[@Nautilus1972]

I have no idea what he's saying but I appreciate the effort.

[@kjthekunoichi]

😊😊😊

[@DWdrummerFX]

I appreciate the job of a session musician needing to know all of these things, but it’s no comparison at all to someone with decent, at best skills, that can make timeless art!... Tell me Black Sabbath could start up today and pass a music theory class!

[@pibroch]

Excellent point, but most drummers aren't lucky enough to be in a Black Sabbath situation. And many good session musicians are continually making timeless art. So the points made in the video still stand for 99.99% of amateur drummers who want to improve.

[@davisginn1298]

Well personally I don’t doubt they could pass it, they love music and make great art. I mean, the way I see it, learning new things is always going to inspire your heart and soul creatively, so why not learn new concepts ya know?

[@franzomatu]

Fantastic lesson! A lot of wise words.

[@ragingchimera8021]

How I tell, you can keep time and you show up on time... majority of drummers fail that simple test.

[@LeatherNeck1833]

Don't talk about Lars like that! LOL

[@paperdain]

How do you know if the drummer knocking on your door is an amateur or a pro? The pro knows when to come in.

[@bruzote]

@@paperdain - Bad-dum!

[@Clnt874]

I would rather watch a worse drummer play with emotion and flash then a technical wizard who is boring as hell

[@goldiemusic8394]

I don't need this video, I already know I suck.

[@krabmeat]

Clicked for garska. Kinda disappointed. Just a fan though.

[@nsldsfv1202]

didnt disagree with his points, and Matt and Josh are virtuoso musicians. But their music was definitely written on a computer and definitely written at some point in the last few years, making the time it took the "learn" the tune kind of a nonfactor.

[@l30S3UX]

#4 totally trough, my band hired a session drummer to record our demo, he went into the practice run, played one time, took notes, played the second time with some of his suggestions, we approved; went to recording room and BAM nailed it on one take

[@mrmanakin9684]

*true. also it's not entirely true

[@robbievalentine8239]

"i feel the need to push back" yup. youve been in nyc for too long lol

[@destroythenarrative7941]

Robbie Valentine That's because he's too legit for the rest of the world, making youtube vids instead of playing live on the road as a real professional

[@syamimmalik]

Plus, don't overplay when you play in a band

[@slimyelow]

I never play cleanly with myself. It's just always gooey and messy.

[@Coddlesworth]

You said your friend couldn't hear it, but I think that, subconsciously, people with untrained ears still 'feel' it... it's what ultimately makes these skills your discussing 'objective'. If finding the one didn't matter, even to the layman, any drummer would do, but people naturally gravitate to musicians who have the core skills, because they can feel that.

[@Landcervelatwurst]

I tink, that heavily depends, on the variety and quantity of musik you have heard. But I agree with the basic idea.

[@ObidiahGoldshekelsteinovitz]

Love this dude but he always sounds like he's pinching a loaf while talking.

[@CardinalEgan]

I laughed out loud...

[@brutallyremastered4255]

I laughed out loud too. You nailed it: he’s wound pretty tight.

[@Prince_Luci]

It’s cuz he’s staying on the beat while talking

[@OntheHookGames]

Yeah? How's your KZbin channel goin, NotJCDenton?

[@ObidiahGoldshekelsteinovitz]

​@Yerbis Shmerpa lmao

[@toolkills]

The arrogance of this guy is really bothering me . He's really good just prob not as much of an expert as he thinks he is :/

[@maxmyers8769]

toolkills glad someone had the same thoughts I did. Not knocking this guy but his opinions seem arrogant

[@hunchemlnarik1668]

The bucket drummer(s) in the intro are superb. I'm glad they were mentioned because I've seen them several times on the platforms and with each time I am blown away by not just their energy, but their groove. There are plenty of bucket drummers out there who have blinding speed but have absolutely no groove. I've always wanted the opportunity to pay my respects to the bucket drummer(s), and I'm glad this video game me that chance.

[@charliebrown1006]

“It’s not like he spent hours practicing - he just went in & sounded great” Me: Ight imma head out.

[@maddrummerhef]

Except he did spend hours practicing probably years. This guys trying to shit on people without explaining the major difference between pros and weekend warriors......time spent at the instrument.

[@charliebrown1006]

maddrummerhef Totally joking but you’re right. One of my teachers used to say it’s not about how many years you spent playing an instrument. It’s how many hours

[@charliebrown1006]

JayRebel Hah! Thanks for this gem: “let’s get right into the song” *shreds way too hard for the hello kitty drum set* “Sorry we’re experiencing technical difficulties!” Soo good lol

[@TanguyBlanchard]

8:09 I completely disagreed about your opinion on this dude, so I downloaded the audio of your vid, and ran it through Audacity with a click. The guy is pretty much perfectly on time.

[@TanguyBlanchard]

143 bpm btw

[@Studerphil]

Just wanted to say that the guy in the video around 8 Minutes is Aric Improta, he plays with an experimental rock band called Night Verses and a "stadium rock" band called Fever 333. He CAN lock up with the band very good besides having great chops.

[@whatashamethisname]

thank you. this guy is a monster actually.

[@michaelkpp7285]

Fever 333 is actually amazing

[@erichand7548]

Aloesdius and as good as he is those bands don’t sell records

[@Studerphil]

Eric Hand Night Verses arent big because they’re a niche band, Fever 333 don’t exist for very long and already perform on huge stages. Just give them a little time! :) Also music should not be a competition about who sells most records

[@whatashamethisname]

@@erichand7548 fame =/= talent

[@odaydrums]

I love your seeming never ending pursuit of "why?"when it comes to the drums : )

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

Me too. It’s one of the things that separates him from standard KZbin drum channels.

[@millroyboy07]

You forgot the Final Secret Ability: THE ABILITY TO KEEP TIME AND FLUENCY WHILE DRINKING HEAVILY.

[@peterknicked]

Stupid comment.

[@millroyboy07]

Twenty-two other people disagree.

[@TheChanhee90]

This guy looks like Sheldon Coopers brother

[@VeronicaGorositoMusic]

They can tune the instrument. Come to rehearsals on time. They control dynamics. You don't need too use much ear protection. Can play metal (not just try, they PLAY IT) , pop, jazz, industrial, classical, punk, arabic, electronic, dance, etc. Anything. No beers, no smoke. This is for musicians in general also.

[@robertdore9592]

Really good points....

[@dumpygoodness4086]

@@robertdore9592 NOPE. Almost every musician should SMOKE (pot) BEFORE they record or perform, as pot TURNS THE BRAIN OFF, and TURNS THE HEART UP. (I'm a brainiac, but even I know music MUST be from the HEART, not the brain.) ALSO, it's Human Nature to GET NERVOUS when a recording light goes on or they step in front of an audience. BOTH pot and booze are GREAT solutions -- as long as you use them MODERATELY like anything else. Even the BEST musicians still struggle when the Recording Light goes on b/c it's Human Nature: "Oh crap I better not mess up!" = YOU MESS UP MORE. Take that Chattering Mind out of the equation, with a little grass or booze. (Not beer. That makes you fat and more trips to piss.)

[@russellzauner]

Bernard Purdie only had one rule : always remember one.

[@CardinalEgan]

... and where to pick up the checks at Local 802.

[@jeffreystacks7929]

"Don't be like I was. Be better than I was." Introspection and modesty, right there...

[@MrSpeedyAce]

Finding the “1” is absolutely true. It’s a difficult skill to learn when you don’t have a natural musical ear to listen to the measure changes.

[@rodneylee4026]

Or forgetting to count. It's like having counting apnea.

[@hellashes]

I love the focus on "1." I saw Victor Wooten do an entire class session about that concept, it's incredible.

[@rich3371]

I'm a musician & I've experienced "too many eyebals" many times

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

I've had a shake, but no hairy eyeballs

[@IPwnSoccer]

please check out more of Aric Improta. He has insanely improved his drumming since his drum off performance and quickly became my favorite performer and musician 🙌🏻

[@8020drummer]

I have little doubt. I always hesitate to show "early" clips of people, because a lot of mine aren't flattering. Heck, maybe I should show more "early" clips of myself. Know who else sounds decent these days (and, by all rights, is a nice dude)? Dylan Elise. Guess I justify it to myself as "punching up" because these two are literally the 1 & 2 search results for "world's greatest drummer" ahead of Tony Williams, Vinnie, Dennis, Steve, Buddy, and all the modern guys like Tony Royster, Eric Moore, Spanky, Dana Hawkins, Ron Bruner, etc. But, yea - I struggle with that.

[@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power]

😄 he was probably a solid player before and during drum off; people get nervous up there.

[@sebi2182]

​@@Pure_KodiakWILD_PowerWell he was beatin the shit out of the drums and goin crazy, i guess i wasnt supposed to have a controled and comfortable sound. Just the ultimate show.

[@TigerKoehn]

This couple is way legit. He's always playing latin rhythm and funk grooves. He's aso Drum Corp trained. Very easy to tell. They's been at the 14th St L stop for the last 2 years

[@drew6047]

I agree with numbers 1 through 4, but number 5 only holds true if the drum kit is actually in at least serviceable condition and can be tuned properly. I can only speak from my experience and some of the horror stories I've heard from other professional drummers but some of those house kits that are at the venue no drummer will sound good on. I always bring my own kit if possible, but that isn't always the case so I always at least carry a survival kit full of spare parts just in case something breaks or is already broken. It isn't much of a problem for me nowadays, but when I was first starting out it was.

[@111whitepony111]

Yes, it’s important to be able to keep rhythm and to know where 1 is. There’s nothing wrong with pursuing chops. But if every drummer followed this, and if everyone valued these same traits we’d sound like your clips playing the kit. Technically impressive and disciplined, but also lifeless and sterile. May as well be a computer playing. To me, it doesn’t matter how technically good you are, if it sounds dull I’m not interested 1 bar in. One key point everyone seems to miss nowadays is INJECTING LIFE into your playing. Play to the song and play from your experiences and influences. Experiment and try new things. Bonham has plenty of tracks that are sloppy even, but people don’t care because there’s so much power, so much life and character in his playing. Same reason Ringo is praised. 1 bar in and you know who’s playing. You? Could be any generic “pro” drummer. One of countless jazz studio drummers.

[@pellejaspers4854]

If ringo star was that good they didnt had to call purdie for the recordings

[@111whitepony111]

First off, terrible grammar. Secondly, there’s no proof they ever did. GTFO with your KZbin conspiracy bullshit. The only other confirmed drummer on their recordings is Paul and that was for logistical reasons.

[@pusanghalaw]

really great drummers can wail at low volume. so many who think they're good will still drown out an acoustic guitar, flute or piano. that's a sign they need to learn more.

[@SAHBfan]

True. Big lesson for me when I started to play jazz after being in rock bands for years. For about the first 10 years all anyone ever said about my playing was that I was "too loud"...

[@Kyp031]

What? No blast beats over a acoustic!

[@dougarnold7955]

@@Kyp031 umm. Maybe, if you blast softly enough...like a ripple...like a blast that's miles away...😏 Tremor blast...

[@coleG112]

Playing fast and deliberate...softly and quietly. It's one of the things that my high school band director focused on. Couldn't be happier that it was that important to him, it made me so much better.

[@aceaclaro]

I feel so attacked lmao

[@bjornmendizabaldrums]

Extremely necessary information. Keep the good work! :-)

[@4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz]

#1, #2, #3, #4, and #5: he's in time

[@CommunityGuidelinez]

Im probably going to step on some toes here, but I think it's quite absurd to say "just because it sounds good, doesn't mean it's good." Let's think about that. The majority of people are not musicians, and do not understand major from minor, much less a person playing 7/11 polyrythmn from someone struggling to play in 4/4. And these are the people that buy the albums, those are your "fans". Those are the people we write music for, not for the analytical "elites" that will hold us at ridiculous standards. Point being, People buy albums because they sound good. Don't forget why you write, don't hold yourself in such high regard that you struggle to produce music because of high standards created by professionals that feel a need to point out how "unperfect" it is. Music that sounds good, is good.

[@zachm6832]

NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND I LEARNED MUSIC FROM SCHOOL THERE MUST BE ZERO MISTAKES. THE MORE ROBOTIC THE BETTER

[@MagitudeOfHorror]

Good thing I only play for fun, or I might get discouraged watching this.

[@billytheweasel]

Made me glad I don't play anymore to be honest. We saw Earth Wind & Fire last night and I was gettin' kinda misty... this fixed that.

[@sandc411]

don't. this is elitist-in-the-bubble BS...

[@DanNobles]

I’m somebody that would play no matter what, paid or not. It just so happens I’ve spent my whole life working at making a living at it, and now it’s finally coming together. It’s a good thing I wasn’t discouraged about the idea of learning the minutia of honing the craft, even though deep down I just do it for the love.

[@billytheweasel]

@@DanNobles < Good attitude. A guy I used to play with back in the day is still in it. Just quit a gig teaching jazz at a uni in Holland. This guy has recorded with Earth Wind & Fire, toured with Kenny G, Michael McDonald, Bobby Caldwell, etc and played with Tower of Power members, Crusaders, Grusin, etc.... and he's humble as pie! For him it's no longer about chops, it's 100% about the feel- whatever you'd like to term it.

[@mattmarkus4868]

don't listen to this dude, and certainly don't watch him play.

[@brice3513]

Gotta do your homework, man. Your "best drummer ever clip" is of Aric Improta of the band Night Verses. He "hits figures" with his band just fine. Haha.

[@MrSimondaniel3]

Yes even without knowing that I was curious how he could claim to know that that guy wasn't capable of continuing this beat while also hitting figures

[@TH3SLEEPING]

@8:10 idk man, Aric Improta is a beast

[@Deathworg1]

As a musician there is nothing I hate more than other musicians!

[@SuperDrummerJay]

I think I had one of the strangest experiences, playing on someone else's kit. My first year in college, in our Jazz ensemble, the lead drummer was a lefty. I had always set up my kit with a typical right hand configuration. At first, I tried to quickly move parts of his kit when it was my turn. It always took too long. So, I went back to my own kit, and turned it all backwards into a lefty setup and forced myself to adapt. And I did, rather quickly. Most "pro" drummers can lead with either hand, as both are equally developed. If you watch those still learning, you can see that they favor one hand or the other, playing somewhat lop-sided, favoring their dominant hand. Having balanced limb control lends itself to quite a few points you made. Also, learning to play other instruments, such as bass, guitar, keyboards, even vocals, gives perspective to what the relationship is like between these instruments and the drummer. Learning these instruments as well, definitely helped me to appreciate my role as a drummer within a group better. I've also worked as a recording tech, and that lends itself to another perspective. You gain the ability to critique your playing after the fact. How you sound while playing, doesn't usually translate 100% to what others hear. Being able to listen objectively, as an audience member (in a way), you get a better picture of the mix, and can fine tune what works and what doesn't fit. The ability to remove yourself from that 1st person view, will really spotlight your weaknesses, and lead to self-improvement. All that, plus 30+ years playing (wow, yeah I'm old...) tends to help! -J

[@guyo7351]

After taking lessons for awhile, at a local music store, I was around 13 or 14 when I turned my set to left hand mode to learn to play it that way, thinking that would strengthen my left and improve me overall. I told my instructor I had done this and he was like "why did you do that, you don't need to do that..." and so I switched it back. He was a good teacher but I wish I'd listened to my instincts instead of him that time.

[@johndef5075]

Im not that great but Ive been switching up hands too. It definitely helps with independence.

[@tetrahedrontri]

>Shows Aric Imrompta as an example of a guy who can't play afro cuban figures while maintaining the groove I mean there's plenty of worse picks, but he's a fantastic drummer in his own right...

[@tonche012]

this guy would not be able to play 2 bars of aric improta… he don't know what he is talking about

[@JonnyJayJonson]

I must admit, I didn't get that example. It was a drum solo, not an ensemble performance. So how can it be judged that a drummer can't play hits, when you only have a solo as evidence? Happy to be proven wrong, just giving my 2 cents...

[@vannanalabomba]

I've seen Aric Live, and his band does not play simple music, not only is he always "in the pocket", locked in, and driving the down beat when it's time to come back in, he also focuses on melodies with a midi pad in between. He's a math/grind prog genius walking the path of Peart. It was very frustrating seeing this example, instead of all the times he's dead on locked in with either of his bands.

[@eddxw]

@@vannanalabomba Can you provide a live recording of him playing with a band?

[@vannanalabomba]

@@eddxw you're literally on youtube. Aric Improta Night Verses Fever 333

[@PezrulezHaakon]

I think there's a level somewhere in between. I'm far from a professional drummer though I've played for 32 years. Still at a mediocre level when I play. But my mind is way more developed to hear what's really good, or not. I'm sensitive to timing and tempo. But I often can't put my finger on, and put words to what makes it so good. I just hear it 🤗

[@siryakub2890]

"It's possible to play perfectly cleanly with yourself" If you know what he means ;)

[@williamayres4634]

This is very interesting. As a bass player I strive for solid time, clear sound, appropriate loudness/softness, respecting/enhancing the song, and a certain amount of creativity. I would be happy when the drummer possesses these skills as well. It's up to the two of us to lock in and make for a good experience for everyone from fellow musicians to the audience. Whether playing in the street, church, or jazz club, you want to be asked to come back again. The key in my mind is to strive for the things that make good musicians want to play with you. You have to possess a certain quality for that to happen. It's especially helpful to discuss the components of that quality. Well, back to practicing, and thanks for this video.

[@sroberds640]

A good drummer can actually push the rest of the band in the direction the drummer chooses. My downfall is definitely, memory but I can sit down with anyone and jam forever. The people recording in Atlanta and Tennessee are on a god level, they can sit down like 80/20 said and learn and remember a song in one pass and play it perfectly on the second or third pass on any kit they sit down on if its not to technical. Just remember there is always someone better but you biggest critic will always be yourself.

[@JulianFernandez]

The kit thing is because you don´t play the kit. You play the sticks. That´s why Harland will sound good on cardboard (as Gadd sounded great on reel tape box). You learn to play the sticks. Surface underneath is circumstancial.

[@paulstamas]

JulianFernandez the stick thing is because you don’t play the sticks. You play the mind. That’s why Harland will sound good with any sticks. You learn to play the mind. Sticks in the hands are circumstantial.🧠

[@richardthompson3104]

Here on KZbin: Cactus - Jamming "One way or another" Carmine is playing CHAIR and sounding great.

[@CordScott]

Police vs Coverband: Wrong drum part, obviously, and that alters a little what the others play. But those guys in the coverband are pretty decent, and I'd have a hard time believing they couldn't play it the other way if they wanted. Might have a lot to do with having to know 100's of songs and just not remembering every detail of those.

[@threepe0]

Exactly what I was thinking! I didn't think one was necessarily (obviously (maybe that's the point?)) better than the other... they're just playing different. The cover band guy was a bit repetitive, but I thought he was 'locked in' just fine

[@ScoriacTears]

9:07 Oh! I came here sure I'd leave with a lump of humility. . . Whadda ya know lol, Subscribed.

[@chrisking6695]

Everyone is different. You can be an amazing drummer and be thrown off by a kit that you're not used to. The guy drumming on stuff, yes, of course he practiced before he recorded himself lmfao.

[@GlennDavey]

"I'm going to switch hands. Ohhh that's better." I think we all know how good this feels.

[@Encysted]

I'm not 100% sure, but the subway band at 7:41 looks like Moon Hooch. They're pretty good. I'm sad to hear they didn't make the cut for "locking up".

[@adamgilbert8602]

James the drummer for Moon Hooch is awesome. There is also a difference between someone searching for a weird clip and looking at someones actual skill. Also, some people care about being tight with the band they have and building it instead of looking for some kind of commercial gig. Thanks for catching this!

[@billytheweasel]

Candy Finch wouldn't let me adjust his kit. He said the same thing, good drummers can play any kit.

[@feastofmoloch666]

Then, why didn't he let you adjust and he could just deal with the new adjustment?

[@CardinalEgan]

Candy played a small 4-piece jazz style kit that was about as "standard issue" as you can get. You were lucky to sit in on a kit like that. (Great that it was Candy's too!)

[@DopeboySpoon]

Moon Hooch is a terrible example of a drummer "not locking up with the band."

[@robinrob87]

I was looking for someone else pointing this out before I commented this very point my self... I have seen them A LOT and they have never had a "sloppy" show or ever felt out of sync in the slightest... This Drummer looks like an alien and proves that he is with his super human chops and timing. just my opinion though.

[@greenwaldian]

Couldn't agree more

[@lak9684]

Aric improta was a bad example to choose for a drummer who can’t lock up cause boy can he. Night verses, fever 333.

[@Mynamesalexa]

Watch Art Scaltrito Drummer For Hire here on KZbin. There are about 12 videos . Watch how I hold the sticks vs those on this video. Then you tell me if I've got "it" or not.

[@elmhurst86]

Every time I think I'm playing great on my kit, I sit behind one of my students kits and try to replicate the same playing/sound. It's sometimes quite difficult.

[@injestpowerviolence8519]

Well as long as you’re here you too are one of the students.