The BIG Thing Most Drummers Get Wrong About The Kick Drum

[@michaelayers4860]

It does my heart good to see this! I’ve only been playing drums for 45+ years, and in my opinion, EVERYTHING revolves around the bass drum pedal first (playing technique, foot board angle, spring tension, beater throw). Even how high we sit on our throne is determined by these things. EVERYTHING starts here!

[@raitoxote]

Is it just me or is your playing getting better and better with each video lately? Keep on dude!!!

[@kushking420]

Its the cymbals jk

[@19tet]

ngl ive noticed that too

[@whotfknws1427]

He is now illuminati 😂

[@Beariss]

Have been struggeling to get my foot up to speed with control for many years. Today i tightend my spring from almost the loosest position to almost the tightest. My foot was finally breathing. Balance was so much better. And the speed was easy. And no ghost notes. You are a lifesaver! THX!

[@Mr.Bagi0]

And now I have a question for you-can you play ghost notes with the pedal at maximum spring tension? I mean controllable ghost notes, not random quiet hits on the bass drum.

[@Beariss]

@@Mr.Bagi0 everything is easyer. The tighter spring makes it so the foot is in control. Its like playing on a supertight snare vs a loose one. A loose bassdrumhead gives little rebound. So the tighter spring makes up for that.

[@FrederickIngraham-yq4sz]

Getting ready to bring my spring tension up as well, loose is just not serving me well.

[@johannjohann6523]

I think Evans has offered a number of great items that are affordable for drummers to get the best out of their kick drum, and I use all of them for great results. The Evans EMAD bass drum head. The Evans dampening pillow, that is hinged so when you hit the bass drum with the pedal the pillow pulls off the bass drum head, and then resettles after the note is played. And the Evan Bass drum riser. It helps your bass drum resonate, keeps the drum hoop from damage from the pedal, and ensures the pedal beater hits the bass drum head square on the head perfectly in the center of the drum. I love Evans products because they work great and drummers can afford them. Doesn't hurt to know how to tune your bass drum either.

[@johannjohann6523]

also try playing your pedal with shoes, and also barefoot to see if you prefer one way or another. You get more feel barefoot, more power with shoes.

[@Chaotic.neutral406]

Fully agree. Too many drummers, especially in my wheelhouse of metal and heavy genres, make the mistake at the beginning of thinking that higher spring tension = a better kick. There's alot of "proper spring tension" videos out there but yours is on point and succinct. Once again we see that so much of our chosen implement comes down to personal settings that we have to find ourselves most of the time. If we don't have those settings in the ideal position, you end up fighting your gear and yourself.

[@adamcomerford8502]

I ran into the opposite problem recently. I unknowingly had the spring tension so high I had to use full leg for every kick stroke. Turns out I've been training on hard mode. I loosened it to where you recommend and my kick speed/accuracy improved drastically since I can use far less movement to get the same result.

[@bradfoland2127]

YES YES YES! Finally someone nailed proper foot technique. You could also add that by dropping the heel thru the stroke it not only generates more power but it releases all tension on your leg in between strokes so you can groove in a relaxed way. Burying the beater or “standing” on the pedal Places your whole body under constant tension and kills groove feel. “No bueno”

[@RichardMullin-u8w]

That was really well done. I am a middle-aged (I’m 60 - maybe “late middle aged” 😁) amateur drummer who has been drumming my entire life. I have never seen or heard an explanation like this before. I am definitely going to try out some of these adjustments both to my kick pedal and to my seat positioning and foot technique. Thanks for this!

[@jensbakjepsen9304]

Dang - me too 😄 Playing heel up, and went from very loose spring tension to almost all the way up there.. Thank you 👍

[@zeichner42]

These are all valid techniques that work for lots of drummers. Thanks for taking the time to break them down. Personally, I prefer constant release technique, as it gives me a unified technique for hands and feet. It incorporates both heel up & heel down, as well as a third type of stroke. This third stroke type involves starting with the heel up, but dropping the heel & raising the toe at the end of the stroke. I also like to occasionally spend some time with the spring disengaged, to get a better feel of the rebound, and to be sure my foot is following the pedal (Jojo Mayer attributes this practice technique to Buddy Rich). The main reason I use constant release, is that it has built-in rest periods (when I drop my heel at the end of a stroke) that relieve tension in my leg. I believe this helps improve my timing, as my leg is more relaxed, more of the time. Check out Dom Famularo & Jojo Mayer for their explanations of this technique.

[@jonashellborg8320]

Ta for the pedal tips Nate. What I’ve found as the biggest factor in improving my bass drum playing quality is thousands, if not millions of bass drum hits. Your foot, calf and the rest of your body will get stronger, more agile, and adapt to the motion. It does take a long time - from starting out, years before your feet are comfortable.

[@chrisfournier6144]

Agreed. I have been working on triplets for months. It was pretty grim for the first bit but now things are coming around. Months in and a lifetime to go!

[@mdmc0]

As a bassist with over 30 years of experience, I promise you bass players don't underappreciate drummers' "power and precision with the kick drum".

[@stoobieman]

No, but us drummers do underappreciate bass drum precision ...and bass players opinions

[@EversonBernardes]

When we do that disapproving look to the drummer playing literally fast&loose with his kick patterns 😂

[@s4lroachclip]

Us drummers have NO real power with our kick drums without bass players placing a note there at the same precise moment.

[@Employee00765]

Can't speak for other drummers but, the bass player is all I care about. Locking right in with them is the best.

[@williamkleitsch1153]

@@Employee00765this idea is the beginning concept of a great band

[@MarrowPercussion]

Spring tension is critical I also adjust the beater angle for a perfect feel. Awesome video and so is your playing nice groove. 🙏

[@rjburk]

Thanks Nate! You saved the day once again. I'm looking forward to my hip flexors not being in pain. Yeah!

[@RalphOnofrio]

Love your videos, my friend.....The foot is the most difficult for beginners..As soon as they have drums,I launch into BD control.Even drummer friends of mine ask about BD control....Colin Bailey wrote the book in the 60's..His videos really get into it....Nice video.

[@davidguyton3567]

Great video, very helpful! Many years ago I cranked my spring tension very high, and in recent years I've been gradually bringing the tension back down. Do you have any thoughts on avoiding achilles, pain as opposed to shin pain?

[@drumdotpizza]

This is a fantastic video! Great topic (and not just intermediate drummers having issues with spring tension). Thanks for sharing this!

[@TrueAdamRipaStory]

Thank you Nate. I needed this video. I always got confused with this one. My goal was to hit harder (like Jon Theodore), his stick heights make him look so fierce and barbaric hitting those drums, he makes his kit look small. Anyway I’d have no issue hitting harder with the hands, then when it came to the foot, my shin would tense up a lot if I even try to play 5% harder. So this video will definitely make me mess with the spring tension now. Thanks again 🫡

[@dinospumoni5611]

You improved so much in the past few years.

[@Awesomerify]

Thank you for sharing your wisdom! Could you do one about posture and snare height and hi hat placement? Because my shoulders hurt every time I play!

[@s4lroachclip]

A pedal brand has way different feels. I used to play with a Pearl cheapo, with no plate or board. The problems were not tension but the fact is it was not a good pedal and i hated the fat mushroom mallets. I had 2. Got used to them on double bass, but now I only have one bass drum and just got an Iron Cobra 900 model double pedal and it is like learning a new instrument. SO FAST. It is faster than me. Now I have to work on controling it. I can't believe the price of a double pedal now a days.

[@bryanmize7192]

Fantastic! Glad you mentioned increasing beater angle as a way to increase tension!

[@serdarev]

definitely going to try it. i have an almost loose spring tension and I am able to control the strokes pretty well both playing heel up or down but without burying the beater. this sweetspothigher spring tension sounds logical and effective.

[@loullywood]

Hey Nate I play professionally and often and just feel I can what I need done no matter the pedal. BUT that said I decided to revisit my main pedal and really analyze the technique etc. I put more tension on it and I think im better for it. 👍🏼🙏

[@evFitzgeev]

Very Friendly nice light informal yet informative Mr. 80-20, you have my full attention.

[@jimvannest6958]

Very informative; as a lifelong drummer this is definitely food for thought!

[@CharlesTPrimm]

Great tips, thank you! I've been playing exclusively heal up for decades and have always felt somewhat sheepish admitting I can't play heel down. Has always felt unnatural for me.Meanwhile I've always thought the little elephants in the room the ghost notes between beats resulted from a too-tightly tensioned batter head.

[@ThreeFortySeven]

I’m mostly self taught and I alternate between heel up and down depending on the pattern. I recently acquired a DW 3000 double pedal and it feels really sluggish to me. Gonna try your recommended formula for spring tension to see if that helps. That and I’ll prolly get some lighter beaters. Great vid - new sub.

[@Karamazow1982]

Merci pour ce tuto ! Hélas mon niveau d’anglais ne m’a pas permis de comprendre tous les détails. Mais je crois que j’ai retenu l’essentiel : pour la technique du « talon levé », il faut augmenter la tension du ressort, jusqu’à trouver le point d’équilibre pour éviter les doubles coups non désirés. Merci pour tes vidéos ! 😊

[@szumiaceczaszki60]

Refining my technique over the last year or so I had similiar conclusions about the kick drum pedal setup and it improved my doubles - it's nice to see it all confirmed from a third party!

[@jonathanmandani463]

fantastic video, I can’t believe how well you explained each element.

[@rickwells5624]

Really good tutorial. Tganks for taking the time and effort to make it and share the knowledge with us. Truly appreciate it. Now I'll see if i can get rid of the extra kick "gost" that seems to be haunting the bass drum lol

[@Matty_Ice87]

The mainframe reference was what got my subscription. Well done Sir😂

[@ZackMester]

Great to hear someone address the unwanted ghost note issue (especially on e-kit). It makes sense to me that the spring tension should be largely dictated by the weight and angle of the leg while resting. Maybe that’s why I’ve experienced less unwanted ghost notes with the Iron Cobra Cobra-Coil. Can’t wait to try it out!

[@paulrandolph2291]

Great lesson! I cant wait to apply what I have just learned.

[@truestorey3158]

Just paused at halfway and made a few adjustments, at least 20% better on my (longish time) beginner kicks which is massive, and straight away playing on legs alone I can navigate and just let it go from mind to sound which is such a privilege, thanks bro much love to all 💙💜💛

[@angelahart2854]

My hubby has been playing drums for 40+ years and plays heel up. He is scheduled for knee replacement surgery in 2 weeks on his bass drum knee and is worried about recovery time and how soon he can get back behind the kit. Any tips or advice from fellow drummers?

[@Warpedsmac]

Greetings from Australia, I may be wrong about this but I heard that Joe Morello was able to play any pedal WITHOUT THE SPRING. It was said he was able to catch the rebound off the bass drum head after the initial stroke. This may be possible with bass drums having "jazz" tuning. HAve you heard of Joe's amazing feat???

[@flavy1000]

What about the cain tightness? Because my pedal comes back beating the chain against it and I am not making any release errors, as much as I can see....Can they be adjusted?

[@VermontScaleCustoms]

Yeah, sometimes we never realize how much harder we're working until an adjustment is made and feel the difference. I used to crank my spring tension on my pedals until I got a set of Axis Longboards. I run those fairly low tension and they're so much easier to play than cranked to the nines. Plus, I feel it gives me a ton of range on the pedal for foot placement for various strokes for different patterns.

[@kobrakommandar8370]

Yes, I find the same thing after getting my Axis longboard double as well (have a shortboard single of theirs too). Much lighter tension for sure and heel down on a longboard also gives you good bounce. The large smooth board leaves lotsa playing options (good to change around during a long set to avoid cramps). I was always a heel-toe drummer and play heel down for slower, more basic stuff. Heel up is good for dancing on the pedals and that "heel drop" technique he illustrates makes a good approximation of heel-toe but without the heavy heel strike (when wanted). Of course I believe Ghost pedals are the best for H-T and fast and light in general (have several) but for a double the Axis is the best non-boutique pedal!

[@johndamberg]

Thanks mucho. You are right!

[@radoslavdragnev8797]

Hi i'm an advanced drummer with a degree in music. Only heel up playing. Idk why But my kick drum speed is pretty fast when going strait 16th notes , but when I try to do fast chops using my kick suddenly the weight of nearly my whole body is transferred to the kick between the bursts of hands and foot , I shove the beater in the head and that seems to be tiring me and slowing me down by a lot. Prevents me from flying around the kit more than 10 seconds as I build up fatigue really fast. Idk how to explain properly the issue but for me it's a sort of a balance problem. The weight of my body can't stay at my ass and I lose my balance during the fast chops because it's not just straight 16th that I can use anckle motion basketball technique. Never seen anyone adress this issue and Nate I think you may be the one to explain how do I fix this? If I try to transfer my weight on my ass only and use only ankle motion of my foot , then suddenly I can no longer provide enough force on the bass drum and It doesn't sound consistent

[@8020drummer]

sounds like you're not sitting in an optimal position, so it's difficult to reach the pedal with most of the weight through your tailbones. What's more, you're probably not doing the "calf raise" thing; and instead using your hip flexor to pick up your foot, which results in a big weight transfer from your foot to your butt.

[@radoslavdragnev8797]

@@8020drummer Yeah I would definetely try to pay attention more on less hip flexor pick up and more calf raise. Thanks!

[@Frodohotep]

At 5:40, is the heel down, or is it up slightly? Is the weight of your foot and leg at rest, or held up by the hip? The camera is too high to tell. If the heel isn’t down, what’s your leg resting on, if not being held up by your hip flexor?

[@8020drummer]

@@Frodohotep the resistance of the spring

[@3L3V3NDRUMS]

Cool video man. I'm 15 years old and I'm going the way of Jimmy The Rev Sullivan R.I.P. and Aquiles Priester. I started a 60 minutes daily double bass endurance routine about 8 months ago! It is boring and costs much time but it got me playing songs like 'Ashes' by FFDP and many more. I play without triggers and only heel up. Keep it up man🤘🤘🤘

[@tommyzcat]

❤ you are a great instructor with a great channel Nate! 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@nickreeder7639]

Hey thanks! Been struggling with this!

[@Fentonyl]

Always fun hearing George’s name when you don’t expect it. Thanks for the video, I’ve been wondering how my tension might be boycotting my best playing and what to do about it recently

[@monkeymalletsvideos]

Jharis! Yay! One of the most focused drummers I've ever known. And I'm really old! I've seen a LOT of drummers.

[@johannjohann6523]

I think Evans has offered a number of great items that are affordable for drummers to get the best out of their kick drum, and I use all of them for great results. The Evans EMAD bass drum head. The Evans dampening pillow, that is hinged so when you hit the bass drum with the pedal the pillow pulls off the bass drum head, and then resettles after the note is played. And the Evan Bass drum riser. It helps your bass drum resonate, keeps the drum hoop from damage from the pedal, and ensures the pedal beater hits the bass drum head square on the head perfectly in the center of the drum. I love Evans products because they work great and drummers can afford them. Doesn't hurt to know how to tune your bass drum either. lol

[@RonaldRol]

How does this work with the hi-hat? Are your foot equal on both pedals? I seem now to tension the spring of the hi-hat

[@joemanderino6234]

What do you use for internal kick drum muffling?

[@JamesBerlo]

Really Excellent Piece !!!

[@johnd9481]

A question: do you advocate a heel/toe technique for fast doubles, or simply a faster heel up toe/ball of foot technique. I ask b/c I've noticed some heel pain using heel/toe.

[@8020drummer]

@@johnd9481 I don’t advocate for heel toe but I’m also not super familiar.

[@MediumHalf]

I think I was misinterpreting your advice and expecting the pedal to hold the beater off the head with my foot with heel up on the pedal essentially dead weight, kept adding tension to my Speed Cobras until they were at the max and was getting ghost kicks (but no remaining tension left). Backed it off to where I still have to "help" hold my leg a little with my heel up and I think things are feeling good. Didn't realize how low my tension was until I started fiddling, was definitely using hip flexors more than I am now with the tension cranked!

[@TheSpartanMoose2453]

I started getting the accidental ghost notes when I went back to my double bass pedal. I figured it'd either need more or less spring tension but haven't gotten to play around with it yet. I'll now be trying more first and see what happens.

[@SWH2012]

hey there, Long time fan and follower of your channel. Kudos! The late, amazing Joe Morello totally believed in solid footboard kick pedals, which I have never seen any other jazz drummer use. DW used to produce a model for him. Pretty sure they don't make them anymore. Not a lot of drummers in general use these it seems. Why is this? And why is this type of pedal hardly ever discussed anywhere? I mean when a master like Morello believed it has real value...there must be something to it. Love to hear from you!

[@kobrakommandar8370]

Yeah the Ghosts were very popular amongst jazz drummers originally with their solid pedal (what we call longboard these days) design. More inertial control I find as you are balancing in front of the the pivot point, more like riding a surfboard to a degree! When playing heel down in front of pivot means your heel is also moving and adding to stroke and you can dance around the pedal depending on the rhythms you are actually playing. More of a live feel than the static feel of a fixed heel plate I feel.

[@lobbyrobby]

I'm still a beginner. The last month or so I've been working on my foot. I'm definitely getting better. I remember the first time I tried putting a kick on the A of 1 and A 3. I couldn't do it. Now I can basically sneak a kick in wherever I want without my brain saying "you can't do this" lol. I still have a lot of work to do tho. Especially when it comes to speed. Here's my problem tho. I'm concentrating so hard on getting these kicks in at different spots that I'm literally hurting the bottom of my foot if I play for a half an hour or so. It's like I'm so tense, I'm hitting way harder than I need to. Hopefully that gets better with time. Thank you for the video.

[@the_spkr]

My first kit came with a cheap pedal, so the highest tension was lighter than like 10% of my current iron cobra pedal, and I got used to that. When I got the cobra I cranked it up following the same advice, from a previous video. Tried it for a week, but couldnt really get used to it, so I went back to this 10-15% percent, which allowed me to work on my precioson a bit easier and felt good. But now I feel like my fast doubles are lagging and I might crank it up again lol Even if it's just to get out of this being stuck mental state

[@JazzDrummersCorner]

Always refreshing! Thank you for the input!

[@guntertorfs6486]

I treat drumming as a sort of dance. It makes the playing more fluent and musical. Hitting the bass with all kinds of combinations and intensities is a big part of it.

[@garageganggyms]

Thank you for this video. I just got a simmons titan 50 4 days ago - total noob here. The kick drum is SO much easier with more spring tension!

[@enzodebredo]

what about the type of shoe you wear? Hard sole or soft sole? flip flops?

[@Mr.Bagi0]

An interesting tip about adjusting the spring tension, but there are also many pitfalls here: it’s not the spring or the pedal that should be doing the work, but rather the foot itself should move together with the pedal and return with it, so that the beater doesn’t slow down near the drumhead and create unwanted quiet, inertial hits. I remember Billy Cobham once advised practicing pedal playing without the spring at all, just relying on the rebound from the drumhead, so that the foot learns to return with the pedal.

[@iskandercespedes7305]

I agree that for yourself you could and should optimize everything for yourself. But what do you think about jam or shared situations that just make you think that you should study thinking that you may adapt to any situation?

[@8020drummer]

@@iskandercespedes7305 that’s important too

[@spongebobsquarepants2878]

Excellent video, thanks!

[@monkeymalletsvideos]

If you have a long enough pedal, you can also kick with your heel, or the ball. Which means you have to give a little on the spring(s).

[@joethedrummer11]

I LOVE your videos! This helped me a lot just a few minutes after I practiced today. I feel like it doesn’t even matter what pedal I use at home or on gigs now. They all feel great after this video and minor pedal adjustments.

[@stevetrivoli1385]

I have had the ghost note issue for over decades. I blamed it on my age and physical issues. I will try adding a bit more tension to see how that may help.

[@TimothyTucker0]

Very good video. Thank you sir.

[@kjdtm]

thank you ! Your methods might be just what i need...

[@NathanBarraza-y9i]

Abe Cunningham drumming analysis one day?? My favorite and (IMO) one of the most underrated drummers.

[@jasoncampbell3955]

There is something that was not really addressed... Heel-to-toe technique and the slide technique (which is more toe-to-heel)... I am a toe-to-heel (slide player) player and I don't have any fatigue and I usually have clean hits, it just feels natural, plus I generate a lot of power. Everything else you said, spot on!

[@pastrnak8863]

Thomas Pridgen said he uses his DW pedal right out of the box. No adjustments. It feels good that way to me as well

[@8020drummer]

@@pastrnak8863 DWs are doing something magic with the cams that lets them feel lighter while still not requiring energy to retract them. The same amount of tension on other pedals feels like a lot of resistance. But I agree.

[@danlc95]

Johnathan Moffett said that's how he played them, so that's what I used to do too. It just works.

[@johannjohann6523]

One problem with bass drums and players is too many players are trying to see how fast they can play. How many beats a minute they can put into a song. And More notes does not always mean a better song. Usually quite the opposite. There's nothing wrong with kickin' it with the double bass, but 240 BPM is not a song. It's more like a sport competition than music.

[@ex0148]

One mans scrap is another gold, that is the beauty of our art form.

[@peanutygoodness]

Exactly what I needed.

[@patdare6525]

my issue is that I play heel up with both feet, so when trying to develop hi hat foot independence I tend to get thrown off balance. Whats the solution here? Hi hat foot heel down to give me a base to lean on? Lean back/sit up right to absorb weight into stool?

[@8020drummer]

@@patdare6525 nope just reps. And micro movements. So that one foot is keeping balance while you move the other.

[@patdare6525]

@@8020drummer do a video on this xxx big fan of ur stuff btw

[@michal.k.7728]

''resting position?'' ,sorry i am not sure what you mean.could you show the pedal from the side please?Also resting position on the hi-hat means that the hats are tight so i am a bit confused

[@CalumetRedJacket]

Good general info Nate but what but what about the difference between an 16" bass drum and a 24 or 26"? Also what about playing off the center of the bass drum? Are there situations where tightening the spring may not be the best choice? Also, do you think you ever reach a point where you don't have to adjust spring tension anymore?

[@8020drummer]

@@CalumetRedJacket I don’t know why the drum dimensions would affect the pedal setup. Also, of course once you get the pedal dialed in you don’t have to mess with it.

[@DriftSpaceZero]

@@8020drummer Leverage. The beater head has weight, so if you have to change the beater length to accommodate the "sweet spot" for a drum of differing diameter: that same weight on a longer (or shorter) lever changes how the pedal feels and responds.

[@MiddleMalcolm]

Going to agree with Nate here. I don't know why head diameter would be a significant factor. As a related thing, why would you purposely not be hitting the center of the head? I guess it's possible if using a pedal with very limited setup options. Set the beater length to contact the center of the head, and then adjust the beater at rest angle and spring tension until you get the desired response, much like what Nate was showing. Once you get a pedal setup that you can more fully refine your technique with, you will appreciate the consistency. This also leads to being able to quickly replicate a similar feel with different pedals, as opposed to endlessly feeling around for an undefined setup.

[@DriftSpaceZero]

If you're changing between kicks of different sizes, but sticking with the same pedal: you'll have to make some adjustments between drums due to the weight offset from changing the beater length; if you like the setup Nate proposed here: the same steps would theoretically give you the same "feel" between different drum diameters after you adjust the beater length so you're hitting where you want.

[@CalumetRedJacket]

@@8020drummer I don't often disagree with you but I have to here. There is actually a lot involved with changing drum sizes and DriftSpaceZero has pointed out one. The biggest problem to overcome though is the volume of the drums. The more air that has to be pushed the more energy it takes. Unlike the beater though which has a linear length a drums volume growth or reduction is geometric. As a drum gets larger it becomes harder to play and get the same dynamics a drummer could get with a smaller drum. I've known at least a half a dozen young drummers that bought themselves the Ludwig Bonham kit and couldn't do with the 26" bass drum what they could with their 20 or 22" drum. This is why I brought this up. I've worked with a lot of young drummers of the mindset that all drums are created equal and they're not. When buying a new set, know what you're getting in to or you may be taking a lot of steps backwards for a while. Spring tension? The longer I played the stronger my muscles became and slowly the spring tension went up. Now that I'm almost 70 spring tension has slowly been coming down. I'm not as active as I once was. I never found anything about drumming to stay the same.

[@tommckeown6970]

So, higher spring tension can help with hip flexor problems? I call the leg cramps I get after a long session "drummer leg". I will give this a shot. Might help me sleep at night too. Ha!

[@sbradyork]

Thanks Nate, very helpful, you da man! 👏👏👏🍻🍻🍻

[@Plydrms]

This topic is so subjective. I have an unbelievable teacher than slightly lifts his leg the whole time. It's like there's a neutral buoyancy on the pedal, allowing it to come off the head. In videos it looks like Simon Phillips uses the technique. It does take a lot of practice. thanks 80/20-

[@krusher74]

What about heal/toe? ( I play that with low spring tension)

[@kobrakommandar8370]

Yeah, with a long board, heel-toe gives a quick rebound as you are letting pedal freely bounce, you don't resist pedal return. Direct drive works best for this as a chain can bunch up when you do that and give a weird slack in the stroke. When I use Ghosts or Axis I run them at very little tension (cause your heel on the longboard actually works like a higher tensioned spring).

[@Poetavater89]

can you link the video of the song starting at 1.55?

[@Frodohotep]

If the spring is tight enough to support the weight of your leg when you rest on the ball of your foot, how do you step on it hard enough to get a sound?

[@8020drummer]

@@Frodohotep gotta wind up ;)

[@sergiozdrums]

Thank you😊 useful stuff. This is something ive alwauys struggled with🎉

[@Nosferatufatum]

Great explanation 👍

[@EdmontonDrumLessons]

I recently switched to heel-up in my 16th year of drumming and came to the same conclusions. It's also worth noting that those who play heel-down should sit far enough away from the pedals to allow their knee to rest behind their ankle. In other words; greater than 90 degrees at the knee. This allows for mobility through the shins. If you're switching from heel-down to heel-up you'll need to sit closer than you're used to. You'll likely have a mindless tendency to adjust your throne back because everything feels too close. This will throw off your balance and make playing heel-up very difficult so keep an eye on your throne position. You also might need to re-evaluate the rest of your kit to accommodate for your new throne position.

[@stretch1807]

Spring tension AND beater angle! But great video still! ❤

[@8020drummer]

I mention that ;)

[@RDL1968]

I play heel down depending on song tempo. Higher tempos I play heel up.

[@kobrakommandar8370]

Yeah. Been playing over fifty years and basically use whatever technique works best for a particular song (or part). Heel down for easy stuff. Heel up but just using ankle for faster stuff, heel-toe when I want to really blast it (as the heel impacting gives the loudest bass drum hit with fast rebound-no burying). All about feeling like your dancing on the pedals I find and if the drummer is dancing the audience probably will too!

[@sethwhite3424]

I remember watching that John Blackwell video from the early 2000's. Someone asked about his pedal setup and he was like IDK, I just crank the spring until it stops

[@RandySeverino]

Whenever I play a house kit , I always need to increase the spring tension. I always thought I used more than most players?

[@tobiasgebb]

Thanks for affirming my recent discovery after struggling with unwanted ghost notes - spring tension! Oh, and BTW, don't forget about the famous "six ways" kick drum exercises from ? Forgot his name. Sick player with a single foot like a double bass drum. Do constant 16th notes slowly with an accent on the downbeats and try 1. all heel down. 2. start down, lift heel up on first hit and come back down 3. Up/Down - lift heel on first hit, drop heel on 2nd hit. 4. all heel up. 5. The opposite of #2 start heel up, drop heel on first hit but lift for the rest. 6. The opposite of #3 down/up. :)

[@notdoneone2499]

Please Post the name of that drummer if you remember!

[@tobiasgebb]

@ Bruce Becker is one of them!

[@tobiasgebb]

@@notdoneone2499 and Colin Bailey

[@notdoneone2499]

@@tobiasgebb Thank you SOOOO much!! You are awesome!

[@tobiasgebb]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4a2foqqotllfrssi=eYTr_kWX3gJob2nP

[@epiphanyvideomarketing7541]

I have been playing for 25 years and for me I keep my bass pedal pressed on the bass drum head between beats. It works for me, but everyone is different. For me, I feel it helps me deliver a lot more power.

[@8020drummer]

@@epiphanyvideomarketing7541 that’s valid, but it can mask some technique and setup deficiencies. That’s why I like to play as if I’m going to avoid planting the beater to encourage good setup and mechanics, then if I choose to plant the beater for musical reasons I always can.

[@epiphanyvideomarketing7541]

@@8020drummer I’ll have to try your method

[@bobc.5698]

The problem is that when you establish your comfortable footboard angle, now when you re-position the beater, the footboard angle changes..... Im going to try these techniques, but being able to play heel down and heel up might work better for some people.

[@alexanderednie1205]

Hutch has a great course about feathering

[@ChaosPootato]

George Kollias mentioned!

[@Frank1979Zappa]

THE big thing most drummers get wrong about it is calling it a KICK drum in the first place. 🙄 You PLAY it, you don’t kick it.

[@monkeymalletsvideos]

The first question you should ask of your students pertaining to the kick, is 'what are you wearing on your feet?' The shoe is everything when you want to pedal the pedal. Otherwise, the spring, yes, is everything.

[@victorespinosa9322]

This. Makes. So. Much. Sense.

[@lincelukose4683]

Thank you

[@Pinkybum]

This is the number one thing I find getting behind someone else's kit. It sucks because I don't want to mess with their spring tension!