805 sets reach Carlisle! New standard in passenger comfort! Plus other trains. 15 & 16 May 23

[@Martinsps2231]

Great video as always buddy. The fright is tops! I love seeing them snake across the tracks, specially when changing tracks!😎👍

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Thanks!

[@danielfrench753]

Great trains, love the two Colas 56's!! Plus, I have loved the look of the Hitachi 800's since I first saw one and I think they even look good just in that white livery! Great video Les.

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Thanks!

[@schoolshorts]

A remarkable view of the interior of the 805 newer set. For a moment I thought you'd managed to gain admission to the carriage - and then I spotted the reflections! I wonder how these sets will look when they're in full livery.

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

I suspect these will look very dull if the apply the pendolino livery. Hopefully more of the white will be present,Thanks Tim

[@trainsontuesday]

More great trains, thank you Les. The 805 seating looks like an improvement on the 800 first class seating.

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Thanks David. I did try to get a decent shot of the seated interiors but there was too much reflection! I'd hope the seats are as in the refurbished Pendolinos

[@davidfinch5062]

A great selection from one of my favourite locations. I've not been up to Carlisle since the mid 1990s when 86s, 87s and 90s on both MkII and push-pull sets ruled the roost. On more than one occasion I saw half a dozen or so NEA vans tacked onto the rear of a Euston bound train. Oh happy days, alas no more. Thank you.

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Sadly you only see the 86 and 87 on excursions and the 90s on freight. Not the place it was but enough to keep me interested

[@mickboakes7023]

Hi Leslie. Great vid as usual. With all those spray trains that pass through Carlisle there’s an awful lot of greenery appearing between the tracks. We’ve got loads of them, (spray trains)down here parked up in Tonbridge West yard. Stay safe. All the best. Mick.

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Thanks! There were two trains scheduled for last week but neither turned up. GBRf's new smart weedkiller unit between a pair of 69s

[@TrainLoverHimu]

Amazing ❤🚂❤

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Thanks

[@Transpennine]

Can’t wait until these trains come into service, watching them rush along the north wales coast line!

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Hope they get a good livery brighter than the usual Avanti colours

[@NorthumberlandSnapper]

Glad I tuned in Les - looks like 6K05 and 6J37 have resumed their pathing on the S&C.

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Thay have indeed - two weeks now since Avanti etc resumed full timetables north of Preston. The WCML around here is suddenly busy with passenger trains again.

[@KevBygrave]

Brilliant video! Les - What is the latest news regarding the siding with the stop sign @ 1:05 ? Do you know if the track will be relayed? That would make for a very interesting video, I would love to see that! Kind Regards Kev

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Thanks! This may sound odd but that siding has stop boards because there are lamps along its length (look on the wall-side rail) so that the adjacent road can be used as a carriage siding for Avanti at weekends until Carstairs is finished!

[@ModelTrainOutsider]

Hello, Les. Hope you are well. A great mix. I enjoyed seeing the 805s again, especially the first shot, but I am wondering when Avanti is going to livery those 805s or if they plan on keeping them all white. I know the video did not come out, but were you able to see inside the windows? The 32s with the Royal Mail train were interesting to see, as well. I guess I don't see or notice them much.

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Anthony, the 805s are I think still with Hitachi until they've been completed internally and completed their proving runs. I did take another clip yesterday so it'll be in the next video. If they run again next week I'll ask one of the Hitachi guys if I can have a look inside while they stop for lunch.

[@jameseldershaw7194]

Great video Les, nice to see the Colas 56's out and about, as for the 805's i bet the rail companies would love to leave them seatless and jam customers in like veal.

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Thanks!. I remember in the early eighties seeing CIE DMUs being towed around Dublin (before electrification there) - all the comfy seats were removed and plastic stackable chairs were fixed around the walls. Best not give the DfT ideas for the 800s!

[@pn112upfast]

Excellent 👍

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Thanks!

[@thegrowler-blackwoodngauge]

The 805's - good catch and twice to boot - going up to Central and then back down. All the 800 series just look the same. Cheers Euan

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Lol Euan so they do. Saw them again yesterday (and I think they are doing a run today). As they have to do reliability runs for n thousand miles before acceptance I expect to see a few more - but at the moment its a novelty seeing them in as built and pre-delivery condition.

[@Abnerbandanovotempoinscrito1mi]

Bom dia lelie trem novo gostei bom demais 0:43

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Thanks!

[@sydwoods.woodsendjunction9492]

another great complment of tains Les very good 805 are looking good and E M R my area are due to take delivery of 810s at the end of the year so we'll see if there seats are comfortable or not also nice to hear T P E Have got there marching orders Harpers finaly found his backbone , thanks for sharing take care Les looking forward to your next one a t b Syd👍

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Thanks Syd. I'm videoing TPE units more now before they lose their vinyls!

[@sydwoods.woodsendjunction9492]

@@LeslieGilpinRailways yeah good thinking Les collectors items for sure can't fault you well done take care 👍

[@michaelwells6797]

Let us hope comfort is a much needed improvement on all recent introductions on LNER azumas.

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Well the Azuma seats are supposed to be better than on Great Western's 80x units so things can only get better, can't they?

[@maly2ts408]

Do the 805 units have ironing board seats if so I can't see them being more comfortable than the Azumas

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

@@maly2ts408 who knows - the ones I saw were shrouded in plastic and the Hitachi crew quickly disappeared into town on arrival for their thirty minute stop over this morning so I couldn't ask

[@seanC3i]

I think the UK needs to get more dual mode locomotives and MU trainsets. So much of the national railway network is now under catenary wires I often wonder why there are still so many purely diesel trains still.

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Agree to more sual mode, especially for the passenger sets. However there is a surprising amount of mileage without electrification - very little is being done in England at the moment.

[@2010ditta]

Nice one Leslie, nice to see the 805's up by you. Do you know if they are staying in white or being painted? Anyway...great variety over the two days. All the best.

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Thanks Tim. The 805s are under test by Hitachi - I don't know how many thousand miles they have to run before acceptance. Once Avanti receive them then I expect they'll quickly receive vinyls. Personally I like them in white although a yellow cab livery would make them look like wasps when approaching!

[@SwindonJunction]

oohhh is that the new class 805 doing its test runs again. @16mins

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Indeed! They must have fixed the problems that stalled the tests the other week. Three runs to Glasgow this week for 001 and 003.

[@m1klgordon]

I see Avanti's Citadel Station management does not include vegetation management or removing litter!

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Vegetation and anything else on the tracks is pretty much Network Rail's responsibility and would require a possession if done manually. To be honest litter is not a problem on the platforms with proactive cleaning throughout the day

[@m1klgordon]

@@LeslieGilpinRailways Thanks for this, Les. I had thought/assumed that because Avanti manages the station, the tracks within its boundaries were Avanti's responsibility. I just don't understand why the the tracks north and elsewhere on the railway are not overgrown.

[@vlu855]

Looks like the RHTT need s a viksit to Carlisle...!

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

They do but I understand its a much more focussed activity. Ironically there were meant to have been two runs of GBRf's new weed killer unit top and tailed by Class 69s last week - over the Newcastle & Carlisle line, The irony is of course neither ran! Hopefully they'll appear once GBRf have finished in Scotland!

[@michaelchester8997]

Good video as usual,get the mower out Leslie

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Thanks. I reckon a few gnomes wouldn't go amiss! 😏

[@davidsedlickas8222]

That long train with filled ballast how many tons each truck load ?

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

About 70 or 80tons I reckon if they are 100t gross.

[@johnselekta]

A new standard in passenger comfort....except for the plastic seats that are obviously way way way inferior to a mark 1 seat :)

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

I remember that comparison for MK2 seats then the tourist seats in mk2f and mk 3 which in turn got replaced over the years. The best for me were the leather 1st class hst seats GWR installed just before pulling the HSTs from express service

[@colinlambert882]

Unless this new West Coast, mainline stock is substantially different to class 800/802 on the GWR, these trains do not set any new standards in comfort at all. The ride quality can’t be best described as lively and many consider inferior to the HSTs that used to serve for SW. The seats are yet another disaster - very hard for an up to 6 hour journey and said to have come from a design for German regional trains, i.e. for short journeys because the seats are so poorly padded. First class seats may be slightly larger and better pitch but are no better padded, whereas HSTs had a significant upgrade from standard in seat comfort.

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

My comments were rather tongue in cheek referring to the set having no seats. But I can agree with your comments. I've not tried Azumas, Novas or Lumos but am told the seating isn't customer friendly.

[@melissasmith5109]

Does freightliner still have any class 70s left?

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

I'm not sure. Certainly none wrk up here any more. I think they are still on Intermodals etc from Crewe south.

[@AndreiTupolev]

They're mainly used to Southampton and Felixstowe

[@breeze1472]

when do these 800s go into service

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Not sure - I believe they are intended to replace voyagers especially on routes to Birmingham, North Wales and Liverpool

[@damianmurphy6133]

800-series with nothing in them would at least make a change from the complete mismatch of seats and windows. Says me who has just come from Bristol to Leeds on a good-old-fashioned HST Mk3 with an excellent view out (and an extremely good driver making up 21 minutes of lateness at New Street)

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Well as you can guess, the seating arrangements Avanti want don't line up with the windows, even in first!

[@railfangig6699]

Train designers still haven’t learned that passengers want a uninterrupted view out of carriage windows, I remember the current BR chairman at the time Sir Peter Parker being asked about this issue on the BBC programme Nationwide in the 1970s.

[@damianmurphy6133]

@@railfangig6699 They're even hiding it. The seat selector in the LNER ticket booking web pages used to show the window locations when they were operating Mk4s and the odd remaining HSTs. Now that they're mostly 800-series the choose-your-seat page shows no windows at all. Evidently something LNER at least knows and is embarrassed about. As you say, the designers ought to know better (I like "airline" seats because of the more reliable legroom - but they're third-class when it comes to window alignment).

[@hotdogpilot6319]

The 805's look like all their brethren..... uninspiring but the freight was most excellent, call me a Ludite if you will.

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

I want to see one painted yellow. Then with the black front it'll look like a wasp. Thanks Andy

[@jörgschimmelpfennig-m8h]

Even the Pendolinos had some charakter ...

[@hotdogpilot6319]

@@jörgschimmelpfennig-m8h Prefer the Vomiters... I mean Voyagers. You have a fantastic name Jórg.

[@jörgschimmelpfennig-m8h]

@@hotdogpilot6319 So do I. It's a pity they'll be gone by the end of the year.

[@pn112upfast]

​@@LeslieGilpinRailways lol

[@lowiepete]

When you say "New Standard", do you mean an improved standard from the previously uncomfortable (much disliked) 80x classes so far? Or is this a further downgrade, hence a new low standard?

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

I suspect the correct answer is maybe!

[@geoffreydingle2410]

I see the forest is thiving in Carlisle station and its environs.What a disgace.Can't Network Rail do better than this.

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

You'd think so. Sadly they appear to be totally underfunded for the coming years. Plus given the regulations they have to follow (don't spray near watercourses or on bridges and visducts - Carlisle Station is built on arches) and focussing on specific plants rather than everything.... Lets say I wouldn't want to be responsible for weed control at Network Rail!

[@declanjoyce8640]

You beat a brace of 56's

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Hope they'll be back!

[@richardstout6364]

So they not run weed killer trains anymore? Remember seeing top and tailed 20’s zipping all over the place on the 90’s.

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

They do but I understand its a much more focussed activity. Ironically there were meant to have been two runs of GBRf's new weed killer unit top and tailed by Class 69s last week - over the Newcastle & Carlisle line, The irony is of course neither ran! Hopefully they'll appear once GBRf have finished in Scotland!

[@AndreiTupolev]

Do I detect any tongue in cheekness in the title? 😛

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

😏 as if I would...... Very much so given the discomfort of seats in 80x units.