850 Patriot vs 850 E-tec!

2018 Ski-Doo renegade x 850 (stock/studded) vs 2019 Indy XC 850 (stock/studded). Reservoir running!

[@mikem9953]

Amazing how two different manufacturers, different engines, skid, clutching, etc can be that close! That blows me away.

[@ajlukelepuke]

Doesn't get any closer. Buy what you like and have fun.

[@4freki]

Looked like it was close off the line but the Doo pulled the Polaris up on top. You can hear the Polaris guy say all he can get is 103 mph. I’m riding an 850 etec and love it with zero issues but if your looking for hyper speed lake running, think the Sidewinder is the way to go. Be safe out there.

[@joeyw1ls0n]

Verum Quaesitor on the next run my Indy stayed in the rpm and I got 107 or 108. The Polaris seems to have a better low end but the renegade has more top end. Maybe 5mph more. But in over an ¼ mile it didn’t pull it

[@benjaminjacobson1826]

Sidewinder all day...

[@nikosavo]

1650 triple instead lol

[@edwinhermanson8842]

They are so close it doesn't matter. Ride what you like

[@fxnytroxtxFPP]

Id say pretty much even

[@joeyw1ls0n]

Alex C very, very close. Whoever got the hit stayed ahead or side by side

[@fxnytroxtxFPP]

@@joeyw1ls0n did you get a chance to run against a 129" skidoo, if so what was the result?

[@joeyw1ls0n]

Alex C I ran with my buddies 2018 mxz 850 but it’s not comparable because he was not studded.

[@ianstuart7395]

This is fairly consistent. 850 doo still seems to have the upper hand.. only by a tiny bit though

[@bobdinkle3010]

The biggest difference I find between the two..... for whatever reason Ski Doos hold their value way more.

[@daveclausner]

Pretty even... I'll take the 4 year engine warranty.

[@fxnytroxtxFPP]

They both have 4 years of warranty

[@jacobhildebrandt6097]

I bet his sled is very new and still running extremely rich. Should top out closer to 125 mph

[@dickjohnson22dp]

The only way it would go 125 is if you push it out of on air plane

[@jacobhildebrandt6097]

No airplane required. Wrong. I had my 850 XC with a tall windshield up to 121 mph with the GPS gauge on a railroad track in Wisconsin. Was still going up when I let off the gas. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it would have kept going. I’d send a pic of the max speed, but I recently updated the GPS software and it was reset. Don’t care if you believe, I have witnessed.

[@jacobhildebrandt6097]

Terry Johnson. I too have been riding my entire life. It does go that fast, according to the GPS. Have you ever tried staying on the gas for 5 miles on an old railroad track with an 2020 XC 850? I have and it reached 121 mph after a couple miles on packed snow and around 20 F and was still creeping upward.

[@dickjohnson22dp]

The pict of the track the angle of the rails and the team clutch is very inefficient all slow you down and the high windshield all cut about at least 15mph off that sled the 850s I've raced that are stock have a little bit more on the bottom ,but are no faster then the last 800s and not near what the old thundercat and old XCRs 800 triples

[@jacobhildebrandt6097]

I don’t know about these jokers, my 2020 850 marked 121 mph. 450 miles on it, 137” Cobra 1.35”, 100% stock XC Adventurer with the biggest snow check windshield I could get. Conditions were optimal and the track was perfect, freshly groomed 20 mile straight run. Reach right around 120 not once but twice, maxed at 121. Took about 2 miles to creep from 115 to 120. Getting up to 115 was not that difficult, perhaps a mile. These guys are complaining about it maxing out at 105.

[@GoogleUser-tp1mq]

My 2017 ski doo mxzx 850 hits 125 mph. I should try slouching down on the sled to see if that would increase my speed.

[@davebaleja2567]

The guy who says go always wins.

[@joeyw1ls0n]

Dave Baleja but we each one a few 🤔🤔

[@tjaynes22]

Yamaha and arctic cat already at the end of the lake ?

[@joeyw1ls0n]

tjaynes22 nope. They were so far back on the trails we just had some extra time to kill!

[@tjaynes22]

@Don Olypopper didn't like them ?

[@tjaynes22]

@Don Olypopper that's really too bad man my boat sled and motorcycle are all yamahas and i love them

[@fxnytroxtxFPP]

Fixing their chain cases lol

[@Rumblefan]

Don Olypopper There ya go, welcome to (or back to) the great world of lightweight and powerful 2 strokes. The technology in modern 2 strokes, especially etec, make them close enough to 4 strokes in reliability, fuel economy, oil economy, and cleanliness that it’s totally worth the loss of weight and upgrade in power

[@adan1985]

I’ve hit 108 on my patriot 850 and it was still pulling, I let off it, not sure what’s going on here. I raced my buddy with an 850 etec and blew him away on acceleration and top end

[@joeyw1ls0n]

Indy or assault? Track, track length, and gearing have a lot to do with this. This is a 137” renegade with a 1.25 track vs a 129” Indy with a 1.35 track

[@adan1985]

Mine is an 21 Indy XC 137, he was on a 19 Renegade 137. We switched sleds multiple times on the ride during the day, both agreed the xc had more power

[@softwashscience]

@@adan1985 assault 144 1.6 lug mine hits 112 stock clutch

[@bobhirdes6725]

I call pure bullshit on your false and fake news claims. The Doo 850 is the speed king of the 850 class period end of story.

[@softwashscience]

@@bobhirdes6725 well that’s very nice that you’re so partial to ski Doo that you will ignore facts. Just think about it here for a second. The Polaris has more horsepower and more torque. People who claim that it is within 2 horsepower have not seen the numbers with polaris his new tune because it’s about 6 to 8 hp more I’m not quite positive on the torque number. The Polaris is also a lighter sled. One other thing to add is the fact that Polaris has much better clutching it’s extremely radical and Agressive both down low in the mid range as well as top end. The ski Doo on the other hand has an extremely linear power curve and riding one is like listening to someone with a monotone voice. They are definitely an OK sled but they won’t surprise you that’s for sure.

[@jeffreyhagelin5927]

The Skidoo could probably benefit with one or two more teeth on the top gear .

[@spideyy5920]

Obviously the ski doo is gonna pull at top end the polaris is a 144 not meant for high speed

[@joeyw1ls0n]

The Polaris is a 129” Indy. The ski doo is a 137” renegade

[@braaaplife675]

I don’t think that guy on the skidoo was on the throttle lmao.. I’ve gotten way over 103 faster than that

[@joeyw1ls0n]

BraaapLife the doo speedo was saying 114.....just because your Speedo says you’re getting there doesn’t always correlate to gps. We have run a ton and they are damn close. Whoever gets the hit will stay in head

[@nsp5258]

Even my 9000 turbo tops out at 105mph most of the time. Seen 110mph a few times on ideal hardpack running the backcountry x track 1.75" lug. The Speedo says one thing but the gps doesnt lie, never had mine on GPS and it is all stock but I can testify that it pulls harder to 100mph than any other stock sled ive ever ridden. Owned a 9000 before with the 1.25" ripsaw and it was much smoother past 100mph and the Speedo would consistently climb to 115mph and creep close to 120 with enough lake. Nothing pulls like that yammie 4 stroke.

[@atcmxz5989]

Noah Ranker you’re a dumb fuck. Lots of old sleds would do over 120 mph in stock configuration none of the new 2 strokes do that. They may accelerate a little faster but the older ones have higher top speed do some research idiot new sleds are designed for deep snow and acceleration not top speed

[@joshpitts7256]

Triple would fry both of them.. Sad

[@andytaylor2321]

Skidoo is quicker ( not by much as seen here) but more fuel efficient.

[@mikemessy68]

My speedwerx cat would crush these guys souls!!!

[@AdolfTrudeau]

"My done up sled will beat stock ones" ctecs suck get outta here get sppppp sp so. Go bad kitty!

[@kellygraham1700]

My buddies 850 ski Doo kills my riot ‘ not even close ‘ considering going over to the dark side

[@slick_rickmcquick387]

As i am sure there are thousands of modified sleds out there that would. But i think i can speak for all stock sled riders you cant "crush our soul" when we really dont care how fast you are or at least how fast you think you are.

[@joshpitts7256]

Another one stuck in the Litter Folks..🤦‍♂️

[@kyledejong9607]

The doo has longer legs as usual, poo let off before it walked it

[@heatmoon]

I am surprised the Polaris could even stay within 100 feet let along keep up or even beat an 850 etec. As a NW Minnesotan, well done Polaris, Roseau Minnesota can keep up with the over-hyped Doo! So how could an 800cc arctic do, not this.

[@MidnightPolaris800]

Polaris for the win as usual

[@bobhirdes6725]

you are obviously blind as the ETEC was the winner

[@terancestevens5922]

Arctic Cat for the win

[@johnstjean1422]

Not a fair race not even not the same class of sled trail to crossover

[@edwardabrahamiii3742]

Joe wilson whats your track length and lug height?? What are you running 129 137 144 146??

[@joeyw1ls0n]

Edward Abraham III it’s a 129” with a 1.35 Cobra

[@edwardabrahamiii3742]

Joe Wilson would of been a little bit faster with the 1.25 ripsaw track on that snow ypur running on in this race but that 1.35 cobra will hook up better in the water and in the deeper snow i want the 850 seems like tho doo is faster on top end tho

[@joeyw1ls0n]

Edward Abraham III that’s a 137” renegade 850 im racing. It creeps up top against me but never catches me to 100. I let off in this @ 103 when he appears to fly by.

[@nsa6790]

Joe Wilson Seeing as your track is more built for speed and his is for grip, and on the second the run when you both launched right around the same time he stayed ahead of you the whole time. I don’t seems like doo has a more powerful engine, start-middle-finish.

[@edwardabrahamiii3742]

@@nsa6790 the ski-doo is more powerful gets a top speed of 128mph the polaris doesnt even come close

[@stevewenzel391]

Where was this?

[@joeyw1ls0n]

Steve Wenzel in southern Vermont

[@paulmiodowski]

Hawaii

[@stevewenzel391]

@@paulmiodowski really? Wow. Cool name bro

[@wickedmainah950]

My old 800 triple machz would have easily smoked both of those sleds

[@wickedmainah950]

@Mike Miller 1000ft on a lake no problem..trails no way. The old triples where the fastest sleds ever made. The big turbo 4 strokes might give them a run.

[@joseywales898]

@@wickedmainah950 Fair statement on the triples. That mike miller is a troll tho

[@tjaynes22]

@@wickedmainah950 might? .......dude whole different dimension of power and speed

[@jamescantlin1072]

my 2002 viper back in the day eat the machz for supper every time we were on the lake was not even a race!

[@ryanxcr800]

@@wickedmainah950 these new four strokes are fast but for how much they cost they should be faster no? Then look at the price for a tune lol Didnt cost that much for a triple xcr 800 to pull big numbers

[@benjaminjacobson1826]

Sidewinder.... enough said..

[@bobhirdes6725]

Benjamin Jacobson what a stupid and ignorant comment to compare the turbocharged sidewinder to theses non turbocharged snowmobiles. There not in the same class as the sidewinder has a fricking turbo on it. Just a stipid ignorant argument.

[@bobhirdes6725]

sidewinder is a TURBO CHARGED snowmobile and should NEVER be compared to a non Turbo charged snowmobile because they are in a different class as in power and torque. Stupid comparison.... enough said

[@tjaynes22]

I think what he is saying is why does anybody care about 2 strokes they will slowly fade out and just be ridden in the mountains

[@bobhirdes6725]

tjaynes22 that is blatantly false. Two stoke snowmobiles are not going anywhere. Turbo charging is a modification to a engine that has forced air induction to produce more power. Just don’t compare a naturally aspirated engine to a turbo charged or super charged engine because it’s not the same. Nothing to brag about when your turbo charged snowmobile beats a non turbo charged snowmobile.

[@tjaynes22]

@@bobhirdes6725 i know what a turbo does lol and it's factory on thundercats and sidewinders therefore not a modification ......4 stroke tech and performance has surpassed 2 cycle engines just watch to a motocross race....it's just my opinion that 2 cycle popularity will decline because people will always want to go faster 2 strokes just won't cut it anymore

[@edwardabrahamiii3742]

Haaa that polaris patriot got no top end vs the etec

[@joeyw1ls0n]

You’re right. The taller geared renegade has more top end. But it’s not a lake racer it’s a trail machine and has all the pull where it counts. Then I clutched and tuned it and it was a whole different story.... but I sold it now.

[@edwardabrahamiii3742]

@@joeyw1ls0n to slow for you

[@joeyw1ls0n]

@@edwardabrahamiii3742 nah I moved to Florida. It was fast af

[@edwardabrahamiii3742]

@@joeyw1ls0n my 14 polaris indy 800sp wasnt what i wanted it to be P.O.S at top end