8GB M3 Mac vs 16GB Windows PC - Did Apple LIE to You?!

[@lemagreengreen]

It's wild that this needs to be explained to people. The power of marketing...

[@jameshernandez4112]

I was torn apart in the Mac reddit for saying it was obviously true.

[@Vss077]

whats wild is that he actually compared a win laptop in single channel (1 stick of ram) vs the 8gb mac (unified memory bs) - idk why ppl still buying in single channel laptops or brands sell it in that state to safe 1 buck

[@ashwinnarasimhan2729]

@@jameshernandez4112 So to an extent macOS on Apple Silicon is written to be more efficient than macOS on Intel or Windows but web pages are going to use similar amounts of memory as are browser extensions and it's going to require similar amounts of memory to work on the same files. If Apple were to argue that 14 or 15 GB can accomplish the same as 16 GB I'd believe them, but it's common sense that 8 GB was never going to be as good as 16 GB, otherwise they wouldn't be offering 256 GB as an option on the desktop Macs.

[@azexy21]

@@Vss077 lol that slot is empty that laptop has already 16GB soldered into the mob

[@JR-uy2nd]

Apple sheep being apple sheep. Just look how the Americans care about a color of an SMS.

[@marcrodet4900]

Apple is not here to make the world a better place or please its customers. It's here to extract as much cash as possible from clients. Apple perfectly knows 8 Gb is insufficient, hence its selling of upgrades at a massive markup. Apple makes way more profits from RAM modules than the entire RAM manufacturing industry...

[@nintendoever]

Do not forget there's law for abusive practices. If many customers report this as a scam, Apple will pay the price, as they did with staingate, iPhone battery replacement and so on.

[@markmuir7338]

@@nintendoeverGood luck with that. Apple has a decades long tradition of entry models having way less RAM than is practical. Not to mention flash storage in their phones. I don’t recall any court cases about either of these practices. Instead, the rest of the industry copied.

[@TheNewGreenIsBlue]

I wouldn't say it's INSUFFICIENT. My company only buys Macbook Pros for employees.... because hey... it has the word "Pro" in it and It just wants the safe bet. However, for MOST of the users, they don't do video editing... If Apple started with 16GB they'd up the price of each unit. Maybe they'd only increase it $100 instead of $200 but still... that $100 would increase the base cost for companies.

[@nintendoever]

@@TheNewGreenIsBlue The thing is that Apple makes money with RAM and Storage. That's what they have been doing by soldering RAM and SSD since MacBook Retina display in 2012-13. By doing that, they hugely overprice both RAM and Storage by a factor of at least 4 times what others charge. The reason why they keep selling MacBooks with only 8gb of ram, is a variant of decoy price strategy, to make a Mac with 16gb RAM with 512gb SSD looking like a much better option, and charge even more for cheap RAM and SSD upgrades.

[@Wade_Fucking_Wilson]

@@markmuir7338iPhones start at 128gb tho. 64gb is dead

[@gerald1964]

This was definitely a marketing / finance call by Apple. The engineers at Apple would definitely be opposed to furnishing such a Pro system with only 8 GB. It is unfortunate that less knowledgeable buyers will get stuck with such a system as their computing needs grow even slightly.This reminds me of when Apple was selling the smallish iPhone 5 while other suppliers were selling larger phones which is where the demand was going. Apple missed the market trend and marketed the small size of this phone as an advantage as it would easily fit in the pocket. Buyer beware...

[@ieast007]

The other MacBooks have RAM in multiples of 3 so it's quite obvious they're using triple channel RAM. Why they didn't stay consistent and use 12GB in this model is beyond me.

[@daveh6356]

A very poor call by marketing then.

[@NetvoTV]

I not understand that triple channel RAM thing, since when memory channel isn't dual channel like back in the days you can swap the dual memories in MacBook Pro? How about desktop? Or triple channels is laptop new advancement? But MacBook Pro now has some configuration is like dual or 4 channels and some are odd number jump which is likely triple channel you mentioned, there are 8,12,18,24,36,48,64,128, is there explaination video talk about this? And why Apple triple channels, isn't back then we learned that to keep the memory perform the best, you need to have equal amount of ram in these dual channel, is triple channel going to perform worse compare to dual and quad channels which is equal amount or just make sure the memory are same number in each of the triple channels will do?

[@RERM001]

This reminds me of my old Macbook air with 4gb of ram. Sure, it is still somewhat snappy, but my god do those 4gb of ram and 128gb of storage don't age well. For comparison, a VAIO Z of the same year (2012) had upwards of 8gb of ram and a 512gb ssd. This isn't anything new, Apple is just terrible at giving the user real amounts of usable memory from the get go.

[@goldenagegamer5851]

​@@NetvoTVtriple channel has been a thing since ddr3 I believe but correct me if I'm wrong About it being in a laptop, this is the first I'm hearing of it tbh

[@innnews6299]

It’s sad Apple sells bunch of new Macs in 2023 with shamefully inadequate specs like 8GB Ram & 256GB SSD. No new computers should have less than 16GB Ram & 1TB SSD in 2023.

[@fidelisitor8953]

so even $300 chromebooks should have 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD? 8GB is enough for normal tasks like web browsing or sending emails so 16GB isn't required. There's no way any laptop, even a windows one will come with those specs at $300 - $500.

[@jacobortega3424]

Yeah I think he meant “pro” marketed laptops

[@xeon2k8]

@@jacobortega3424 from his idiotic last sentence i dont think he meant only Pros

[@innnews6299]

@@fidelisitor8953 Chromebook IS NOT a real computer. It is just a web browser or glorified “iPad”, with keyboards. I am talking a real productivity NOTEBOOK.

[@innnews6299]

@@xeon2k8 Anyone who thinks a $300-$500 Chromebook should have the same spec as US$1,600 “Pro” Notebook is delusional.People who’ve read my comment and have some sort of intelligence would know what I meant which is, “Apple is ripping people off selling a $1,600 “Pro” fully-speced out notebook with good SoC but only to give it 8GB Ram & 256GB SSD.”

[@ronmac1832]

I don't mind the 8gb ... I mind the $200 upgrade cost.

[@KillerSuko]

yea its rediculous

[@MrLelopes]

Than you are not much smart, and the only thing that kept you form being an apple zombie is the lack of money.

[@ronmac1832]

@@MrLelopes LOL - if you say so champ!

[@Scornfull]

@@ronmac1832 He's not wrong 16 GB should just be standard on the base model

[@pythnnify]

@@Scornfull they should still sell an 8GB option, but they should made 16GB the cost of 8GB

[@FellTheSky]

Imaging having to swap to drives in 2024 when ram prices are pretty much for free 😂😂

[@janglaser585]

Bruh even my phone has 12gb of ram😂

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

My 4070 GPU has 12GB of RAM too.

[@machinesnoires]

What is most worrying is that the behavior of scammers has completely been integrated and accepted by a majority of consumers.

[@BrandonStecklein]

Good video. The 8gb on this pro machine is pitiful. Almost as bad as the iMac with only a 256gb ssd. Apple has completely lost touch

[@Terrilltf]

Both my 2019 Intel MacBook Pro and Dell XPS laptops have 32GB and I’ve never been happier.

[@420planttechguy]

Do you have the i9 variant?

[@riomorder]

I suffered with an 8gb ram in 2017, I cannot believe Apple still selling it

[@drplokta]

You shouldn’t be using Chrome for your web browser tests with lots of tabs open. Part of the reason that you need less RAM on a Mac is because Safari is much more memory-efficient than Chrome. Rerun your test using Safari as the browser on the Mac.

[@nicktw8688]

I have the air 15 with 8 gigs....and for what it does; ie. not a lot of multi-tasking; I get no slowdowns - even with Firefox open with dozens of tabs (don't use Chrome people, it's a memory hog). However, I can see how it could quickly become a problem on a Mac 'pro' if you have the expectation to do actual, heavy, multi-tasking.

[@peterpayne2219]

I like my Air 15 with 16 GB better, I do a lot of graphics programs and (sometimes) 400+ chrome tabs. I am clearly insane.

[@hreetampaul9350]

400....vro you are god@@peterpayne2219

[@renebaebae0600]

Firefox is also a memory hogs 💀 but im using it on windows, safari is the best in terms of memory usage for macos

[@renebaebae0600]

Firefox is also a memory hogs 💀 but im using it on windows, safari is the best in terms of memory usage for macos

[@mihaipopescu90]

by "heavy multitasking" you mean actually plain work

[@vacric]

Sharing my personal experience from 2022 I had to create a PDF of 700 page document when I command my PC to convert it into PDF and take a print out my RAM uses was around 5.2GB

[@sadev101]

the fact they perform similarly.. but mac is more expensive and you cant upgrade after .. means to me most mac users are using it for the status symbol

[@SweetSweetCandyBoyz]

A minimum of 16GB of Ram on their base pro models is going to be the ‘new and innovative’ feature to land in 2024. I loge Mocs, but come on Apple… that’s far from the $1,600 ‘pro’ performance someone would be paying for.

[@rashidkhalil5384]

The comparison was really good but for a better test, you should try both plugged and unplugged. Windows PCs slow down dramatically when used unplugged; it would be amazing to see the difference.

[@pranavjohnissac5078]

Apple : iCrap is better than food iSheeps : baaa.

[@chengshengway]

4:07 It is not insane. You cannot ask a car running with 40 L of fuel to out beat another with 80 L of fuel.

[@hendrikmoons8218]

Also as 'deils advocate': Can't the non-Mac on top of 16/32GB-Ram have 'unified memory' on top? Pro Mac-Pro apologiser: dies without shame

[@nnnnnopenoway8418]

All of these use cases, ARM or x86 are pretty basic. What about relational performance when paired with precision calculation software or engineering pipelines? I'd be worried that ARM would skip important instructions or have to emulate more.

[@judewestburner]

It's galling to me. The last PC rig I built in 2015 I started with 32GB RAM. I'm still on that machine to this day.

[@Parkourboy86]

macbook fighting vs a laptop without dual channel and lossing

[@paulmurgatroyd6372]

"8GB is all you're getting, don't ask for more!"

[@MainInternetUser]

The fact that the PC handles lower RAM better than the Mac is hilarious

[@pupiberto]

how a company can succesfully scam its costumers again and again is beyond me

[@greggalf6140]

I bought my Lenovo P1 3 years ago with 16GB of RAM and a 1024 SSD, and I can easily and relatively cheaply upgrade the RAM to 32GB (maybe even more, can't remember exactly) and I have a slot for a second M2 SSD. I was thinking about switching to a Mac, but I can only afford the 8/512 model. Isn't it crazy to go from 32GB to 8GB in 2024. I think I'll refuse.

[@sushisouchy4eva]

Unified memory just means that the GPU and CPU use the same memory - not a good thing, apple!

[@beardec]

It's a bad idea to buy any device with 8 gigs of RAM in 2023, EVEN IF IT'S A PHONE 😂

[@jaimebaca9439]

Just shows who make better quality. A three year old computer vs one just announced. Also you can get a used M1 for less than 400

[@anonjohnnyG]

Class Action anyone?

[@pinakbhusanmohapatra8207]

Just returning my macbook air now as it's still within return window. 8gb definitely hurts. I got a Asus zephyrus G14 laptop now.

[@y32code16]

i upgraded my laptop from 8 gigs to 40 gigs with half the price of a 8 gig memory stick from apple

[@alpenspass]

not atleast 12, at least 16GB! it costs 1600 dollars!!

[@halitderya]

The cost of 8gb ram to apple is no more than $2.

[@kelet-studios]

pc with same price is twice faster that laptop 💀

[@stickmin_S]

that RTX laptop beat the Mac while not plugged in. Apple sheeps..

[@ytuser993]

ram is ram. Try after effects and it's ram preview, count of ram is important

[@irfanmcsd]

Since 2014 Apple provides 8GB in base model which is no longer suitable for this era apps and AI.

[@Sexy_Stev]

i hope people here realize false advertising is a literal crime and i truly hope to see a class action suit over this since i'm pretty sure it's not their first time doing this

[@jj_1edzep]

That 8GB Mac only exists to upsell another 8GB for $200, a Crucial 8GB 5600 DDR5 SODIMM is $25, 1/8th the price. What Apple is doing is misleading advertisement

[@smokym1k381]

Facts

[@realnotes]

Sadly, they screw their buyers every chance they get - it makes buying in to their business model a hard sell

[@nniklask]

i mean standard 5600 sodimms are not quite the same as SoC memory. 5600 MT/s is 69 GB/s in bandwidth, apple's SoC has 150 GB/s of bandwidth. That obviously doesnt justify the price, but not quite comparable.

[@fidelisitor8953]

@@nniklask Apple uses standard LPDDR5 RAM sourced from Micron Technologies and it's DIRT cheap. It's the same RAM that's used in smartphones and is a lower powered DRAM capable of much higher memory speeds and bandwidth than DDR DRAM. Now top that off with multiple channel configs and Apple's LPDDR5 is able to achieve incredibly high bandwidths that standard DDR5 can only dream of. But in the end, the RAM Apple uses is really cheap so there's no excuse for them not adding more except upselling customers.

[@nniklask]

@@fidelisitor8953 as i said, doesnt justify the price

[@amyshaw6657]

Selling a $1599 laptop with 8gb of ram in 2023 should be a crime 😮

[@Belaziraf]

Don't forget $1,000 has to go to the investors and $300 to Tim. If they put 16GB as a minimum, Tim would get only $280 per device.

[@lamastu2156]

Well after the death of Steve Jobs, Apple committed many crimes

[@Johnnyiswhere]

​@@Belaziraf😂😂 wow

[@Belaziraf]

@@Johnnyiswhere How do you think he bought his mom an iPhone ? 😁😁

[@Stormlywing]

Selling a Scam items on real know site should be bigger than Apple Best part you know what is a crime giving a SCAM price on real sites - Not even wish or eBay just a well known store selling not legal laptop for 2x the cost of an Apple laptop Refurbished Laptop - not even NEW laptop costing 2x much as Apple that with APU not even mobile suck with not upgradeable ram there was 4 of them no longer for sale but that still there Plus you get less cores to deal with task ( Max 16gb ram ) selling a 8GB PC from ( PC world or currys ) for £9.999.999 - you should has saved £1.3M even made amazon Mad as it only £649 like new ( You should get 15 time the PC is was there from amazon for far cheaper and will not cost your bank - 21 Nov. 2023 from amazon date ( Date is unknown - google says ( 2021 ) - 3 years ago by one of their PC Curry laptop - is an Apple * Apple = Double the price scam -------------------------------------- Apple Macbook - 2023 48GB ram Cost £4,099.00 which is 3X better than their Scams likey comes from Wish Max upgradeable is 128GB RAM Max out macbook cost ( £7,798.98 ) - 8TB SSD 128GB 16 core + Final Cut Pro + Logic Pro and still get the newest longest battery over that 9 hours laptop

[@andrewgarfield1195]

Never buy 8gb laptop no matter windows or mac..

[@theepanvr]

Very True. The amount of read and writes it does to your SSD will 1/4 the life expectancy. Luckily MAC doesn't play top tier games the way windows does which is Ram intensive.

[@innnews6299]

Have always used/using Macs. Still, 8GB Ram is a crime to sell in 2023.

[@Ryukishi07hjj]

It depends what you want from that laptop...

[@masx4813]

​@@tonyburzio4107bet you never did heavy job

[@David-rt5vj]

@@tonyburzio4107Also used a Mac with many hundreds of hours but please dont buy 8gb if its not a M1😂

[@DOGroove]

I had 16GB Ram in my MacBook Pro 10 years ago… 8GB in 2023 is horrendous.

[@Kamdenmcleanmusic123]

You didn’t have an Apple silicon Mac. I have an 8GB Apple silicon Mac and it’s totally fine Edit: everyone replying that it’s not enough for them, cool. You have a more ram hungry workflow than I do. That’s why they sell higher ram configs. Believe it or not guys, not everyone does the exact work you do, and not everyone needs the same specs. To say that 8GB isn’t good for anything is dumb, and then when I say it’s fine for me all you have to say is “it’s not fine for me”. Great. Buy higher specs then.

[@pt192]

In 2033, they’ll still only offer 8Gb. Its Apple.

[@Kamdenmcleanmusic123]

@@pt192 it’s 2023 and they don’t only offer 8GB.

[@fidelisitor8953]

@@Kamdenmcleanmusic123 You missed the point. OP's saying Apple will only offer 8GB at base not as the only option.

[@NyangisKhan]

@@Kamdenmcleanmusic123 I mean 8GB of RAM is completely fine for plebs.

[@Reza1984_]

Worth noting that the windows laptop is not running dual channel memory config, you could get even more performance by using a pair of 8GB ram sticks

[@nickbrown3981]

I wish this comment was higher up in this thread!! I'm also surprised more people haven't noticed this! Including the dude in the video!

[@slicer2938]

this comment needs more attention seriously a big thing when it comes to ram and something should know. Apple Soldered Their Ram to their Motherboard essentially making it impossible to ever upgrade or even repair. If RAM fails its likely that repair is not going to be as simple as just 'put in new ram' its going to be "take to Apple Authorised Repair shop where they can charge apple money because of a fault in the product they purposefully made to fail.

[@4ndyr0g3r50n]

An excellent point, I didn't think of that

[@IVIRnathanreilly]

​@@slicer2938that's the point. Same thing with soldering the SSD. You need a new unit when something does. Can't recover your storage so you better back it up on the iCloud, not enough storage? You'll have to pay.

[@abheetl9743]

Its not on the CPU die, but on the CPU package @echemenon

[@basedboy]

My 2017 Macbook Pro‘s SSD wore out so quickly due to the swapping that one day it just stopped working. I‘m glad that it was still under warranty and had been replaced.

[@oumousalmette1722]

After how many years? What did u use it for?

[@LanceRazon]

its a 16gb machine?

[@ashtonmiller-z1n]

but where you play games at super duper high 5k+ rezltuons or soemthing or just makeing far many 8k prerednerd viedos or something. yesh

[@emanuelecerri8806]

"less is more... expensive (and that's it)" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@shitvideoquality4856]

8GB isn't unusable, but there's ABSOLUTELY no way should a 1600 dollars laptop in 2023 should be having 8 GB of RAM. This is just absolutely ridiculous and inexcusable. If they haven't made a 300 dollars price increase to the base model it would be less of a disgrace

[@he8535]

Wtf? Why is he getting 5.7gb used on windows Im using 3.3gb on my ryzen 5 16gb PC

[@ImNotSid-2540]

correct

[@doctorsora]

This

[@depralexcrimson]

My phone has 24gb ram and costs $800 lol

[@Comm0ut]

@@tonyburzio4107 Bad analogy because RAM prices are known and even if Apple bought RAM at retail prices it would still be dirt cheap.

[@Roninkinx]

My laptop in 2015 came standard with 16gb ram. It was 699 usd. This is ridiculous in 2023.

[@Youcanatme]

Even with inflation the fact that at the top end they have 128GB in the same metal build also macbook pro should kinda prove the ridiculousness

[@tudork7559]

while I do agree that 8gb is too little, it should be worth mentioning that if you disconnected both laptops form the charging cabled. this would be hole different story; isn't the point of a laptop to be portable a use it without having to be tied to a outlet? It should be also factored in that the functionality of both machines stayed virtually the same. And for people that would call me an apple fanboy, I do not own a MacBook, I use Linux and Windows.

[@MuserukaEmmanuel]

I agree, I use the Mac Air M3 2024 for a whole day with 30 tabs on chrome and Photoshop open

[@Rusty01]

@@MuserukaEmmanuel the argument isnt that. The argument is based on ram. Not CPU

[@Atom.Tech.]

12 GB Ram Phones laughing in the corner 😂

[@derekdresser9214]

What is worse is the mac is relying on the also not replaceable flash storage for its swap file. The flash drive has a fixed known life span. Which means you are also shortening the life span of the computer by getting the 8 gig configuration. It's kind of brilliant on Apples part in a most devious way

[@em8969]

So true

[@UnifiedFriends]

It gets funny when you put the line up name, in a milking context. 😂 Pro milking Max milking Ultra milking

[@Arun_George]

Apple don't need to worry about longevity. Apple users can be easily convinced to just buy in the next computer when it is released in the next one or two years... And Apple fans will do just that. Hand over all their money to Apple for the next modeel. hahahaha. Brilliant marketing by Apple.

[@KijkEenVogel]

@@Arun_Georgei know people that run Mac’s from 2012 and that are still happy with it. And even if you buy a new Mac every 2-3 years, the return value of your old Mac will still be pretty high, higher than what you would get from a pc.

[@Arun_George]

@@KijkEenVogel Did not know that. So Apple fans would pay a bomb even for old Apple stuff eh? I guess when you've paid 10x the price for something, it's hard to sell it for less. Mac's got incredible hardware and software though, no denying. PC's (if you didn't buy the cheapest model) have some incredible hardware too; just depends what you configured in your PC system. I used a PC system for 10-12 yrs as well; no need for upgrading. That's just marketing-pressure on you. But PC prices are reasonable.

[@cadenchurchill4296]

Apple only giving 8GB of RAM on a pro laptop is just ridiculous - especially considering how much 16GB VASTLY improves the performance. I think it's still okay having 8GB in the base MacBook Air, but not in a pro laptop.

[@interproservice]

Apple forgot what Pro stands for.

[@cadenchurchill4296]

@@interproservice Or they just never really knew in the first place 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@keshavejat]

Basically Mac uses compression on memory and the same can be enabled on windows. But the worst part is excessive use of swap. Which will kill the SSD way earlier. Now guess what? SSD is soldered on board and ROM is on SSD, means if SSD dies then you won't be able to boot the system at all.

[@cadenchurchill4296]

@@keshavejat Yup, that’s one of the things that really frustrates me about Macs. Not happy some PCs are beginning to do the same as well.

[@mowtow90]

@@interproservice Pro is just a marketing trick. What is Pro computing , where it starts? For some people everything beyond simple web browsing , video watching and email is Pro work. For others its much more. For me , its programing , running VMs , remote and on site server administration ext. That is the problem , there is no defenetion what Pro stands for .Its just a marketing plot to upsell you something because "its for pro users". Just like everything on the market that has "tactical or military grade" bage can sell up to 2-3 times more then standard. In reallity "military grade" stands for low quality because gov procurement is done on lowest offer basis but most consumers dont know that.

[@billcoons2730]

Apple has the pricing setup to make you go to the next model higher. If you price out the base model and then add another 8 gb your so close to the next model up you might as well just pay the Apple tax to get it! They also know that if you want a good laptop that actually works on battery power they are the only game in town.

[@rafalp7485]

You know nothing, you buy 8gb, you are happy with a price and performance as you have no clue about computers, software etc, you do not need anything more anyway at least you know your laptop is affordable. If you go to store and start asking they will propose you upgrade, decision in your head for Mac was already done so adding extra 10% to price is normally no problem to sell. If you are aware of reality, you never buy 8Gb, you buy upgrades/higher models. That is the point. Apple wants people see their computers affordable and in the same time making most of the people buying them expensive or as upgrades or higher models. This is genius, perfect business model. I can't criticise it as really base models with 8Gb as office machines with long battery durability they are just perfect for years to come - see M1base Air. You can see it basically with almost every car manufacturer - most of the profit comes from options - same with Apple. Exceptions are iPhones/Tesla they are loaded but they have price already anyway.

[@iLoveAppl3947]

The only reason the battery life lasts longer on macbooks is because of the newer and efficient electronic components drawing very very low amount of power they hit the jackpot with the new components....My father is an electronic engineer and we opened the M1 macbook to check what kind of battery they used and what's inside but there's nothing special inside just a normal battery ... they invested in the new electronic components drawing absolutely nothing hence the battery life

[@superbros1690]

Yes their unified Arm chips are next level efficient, they really are sippers of electricity.@@iLoveAppl3947

[@vxox2195]

this is why i buy used macbook pros 👍🏼 get all the upgrades of a gen or two ago for thousands of dollars less

[@moriyamakyon1067]

@@iLoveAppl3947 "they invested in the new electronic components" - ARM existing from 80s just disappears

[@psicologiajoseh]

Why Apple people accept this kind of abuse from this company.

[@habiblipawing2365]

Brainwashing

[@daanw6270]

Brand loyalty. 🤡

[@urinduishan2678]

brainwashed.

[@GaetanLeGac]

Because we accept to pay the price for the advantages Macbooks brings: efficiency, productivity and longevity I don't care I paid my computer 4500$ if it allows me to make more money

[@habiblipawing2365]

@@GaetanLeGac Alright I understand. But unfortunately, this also assumes that there is no PC that gives you these advantages? No PC manufacturer, no brand does the same or better than Apple?

[@eldardb]

Judging by the task manager on the windows machine it seems like you have 16gb in single channel since it says "Slots used: 1 of 2". I would recommend that you redo the tests in a 16gb dual channel configuration since for Intel and AMD machines it makes a really big difference in performance. Also it seems to me that the swap space used on windows is showed under "committed".

[@jordantsvetanov9920]

+1

[@TomCruise-vu9br]

it's a laptop not a pc

[@eldardb]

@@TomCruise-vu9br I know alredy... what are you trying to say?

[@mejohnc]

If Apple wanted quality segmentation, the M3 would start at 12GB and max out at 24GB, with BOTH configs available in-store for folks who can't wait on custom orders/don't even know about them. The M3 Pro should start at 24GB and max out at 48GB and go hog wild with the Max RAM configs, it just feels like that was the trajectory we were on before M3. I know its easy to spend Apple's money but look at RAM prices and it's rather reasonable, even considering Apple's generous margins.

[@PavitraGolchha]

I hate the fact that Apple doesn't have 16GB M2 Air to buy right away 😢😡

[@not_anton]

But then people could buy the 24GB model ON DISCOUNT instead of build-to-order from Apple's website. Unthinkable!

[@AlexeyKarimovUK]

That’s exactly what happened to me. I was looking for MacBook Air. There were only 8gb variants available at the apple store and I didn’t have time to wait for online order to arrive. And the difference of $200 is kind of significant as the laptop itself starts at $1k. So had to take the 8gb/512ssd.

They want you to pay $200 to buy 16GB which is enough. Apple is not about quality. They want to make money.

[@MaxTechOfficial]

Yes that is a big point I made in my previous 8GB vs 16GB video. 16GB is not a stocked system so if you want to get one in store or even shipped fast you have to get an 8GB M3 or step up to the $2000 M3 Pro. If you want a 16GB M3 its like 1-1.5 weeks before you get it. The sucky thing is people will go and buy an 8GB M3 because of the price point and then later realize they need more and have to buy a whole nother computer which of course is nice for Apple.

[@nuclearchef-san8304]

Even more horrifying is what they charge for upgrades! Right now on pc-partpicker 2x16(32)gb sodimm laptop memory ddr-5-5600mt is $120usd, and a 2terabyte pcie gen 4 m.2-2280 ssd is $100 .. Apple charges way more for each of those..

[@jus2310]

12x the markup for storage is wild. 8GB, 256 GB of storage would be standard for a budget MacBook, not the MACBOOK PROFESSIONAL!

[@hajjdawood]

To be fair, the ram is also for video memory, when was the last time you could upgrade your video memory on a PC? (Hint, never in modern times)

[@fidelisitor8953]

@@hajjdawood But at the same time, it puts more strain on the tiny memory because both CPU and GPU have to share 50:50 a measly 8GB RAM meaning you get only 4GB for the GPU and more wear and tear.

[@Krilium]

@@hajjdawoodWow, you really won’t stop at anything to try and justify the Mac’s bad performance

[@tempeleng]

@@hajjdawood I don't understand you. My brand new mini-pc with Ryzen 7840hs shares the same DDR5 RAM with the integrated Radeon graphics. When I upgrade RAM, that GPU ram also gets upgraded. Because it's shared. AMD even calls it Unified Memory Architecture (UMA).

[@Goktug-sx6fm]

Just stop buying macbooks and they will upgrade baseline to 16 gb otherwise they will keep selling it is company trying to make profit as much as they can

[@dima1353]

M1 was phenomenal. But in recent years laptops on Windows have done a lot of work in those areas where they lagged behind: Quite good screens, touchpads that are useful, fast SSDs, very good hardware (mobile Nvidia 4xxx are great). But Apple remains in the same logic regarding memory/storage prices. Yes, the M3 is a little faster, but the speed and efficiency of hardware is not Apple's primary problem right now. As a buyer, I see enormous practical progress on the side of Windows laptops and hardly see it on the Apple side. And you know what ? In Europe prices even worse. I can buy Asus or Lenovo for almost US price, but it's different story with Apple.

[@magnus9316]

No tbh intel didnt really make up that much since m1. They are still quite behind. Amd on the other hand has much more modern cpus to compete with apple silicon imo

[@trademarktmel]

@@magnus9316 they didn't mention intel though. Intel can't really compete with U/P series to AMD's U series, but Intel H series vs AMD H series is neck and neck. Either way, even intel U series 13th gen competes with apple silicon m2 in speed alone. apple has benefits still as always, but these days, it's not always possible to justify spending $2000 on a mac when you can spend like $400+ less on a comparable windows machine

[@magnus9316]

@@trademarktmel pure cpu speed is similar. But that comes at a cost of maybe half the battery life and the igpu is a lot worse.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@magnus9316 And that only because they are using EXTREMELY outdated tech for their chips, squishing more and more with diminishing returns.

[@magnus9316]

@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 exactly. Tbh i dont really feel like its a discussion any more when comparing an intel laptop to amd or apple thats meant to be carried around

[@RApdx74]

The small RAM/SSD sizes and the huge extra charges for upgrades were the reasons for me to leave Apple(MacBook Pro 16 M1 Max) some days ago! I really like their M-CPUs but i dislike their company policy more and more...

[@ZeldagigafanMatthew]

they can keep the trashy 8 gig model for all I care, but $200, just to upgrade to 16... that's more than I paid for my 2x16 gig kit last year.

[@taylorshin]

I returned MBP 14 M2Pro for the same reason. It had 16 GB of memory and 512 GB of SSD, not even an issue for now and may not be at least in a few years. But being unable to repair the SSD, which definitely holds my private data, myself to destroy it after replacing after some time later it may end up broken, was a kicker. Sure the ARM architecture was great to be mobile, but Intel/AMDs are catching up with x86 and even Qualcomm is becoming a main contender with ARM architecture side as well. Not to mention Windows for ARM is looking better than it was years ago. I think, if Inter were able to release current 'Ultra' series back in 2019-20, Apple would have still been releasing Intel macs. But then again, having not able to replace a broken SSD is a huge problem.

[@sri19]

Could you please share the cost and processor specs of these two machines? Thanks.

[@tomsun3159]

Multitasking is not just having another window opened in the background, this can easily be swapped out, but eg. using multiple monitors, having multiple apps active in process will make this thing even worse. i would propose this test with both devices with an external monitor attached having multiple applications and/or browser videos active. so that there is no ability to swap out any not in the foreground browser tab, i fear this will destroy the 8Gb Mac vs. intel 16 Gb, despite having a more effective ram management. My prediction is that apple very efficient swaps out background tasks to give the memory to the foreground tasks, but if there are no background tasks so far its difficult.

[@MaxTechOfficial]

Its a lot harder to shoot that video and prove things are happening in real-time, but yea that would be an even bigger load. Thats why I also wen't back while tasks were running to the web broswer and other apps to show when something can't just be cached or on swap and not needing to be used.

[@wclifton968gameplaystutorials]

Apple has probably only released an M3 series laptop with 8GB of RAM at such a high price so that the OS is forced to use memory swap on the SSD which decreases the shelf-life of the flash storage chip which will die faster and force the user to buy a new machine which they otherwise would not need as it would be uneconomical to desolder the flash chips and solder in new ones since the Mac Books or Mac Minis do not come with M.2 PCIe slots or Mac Studio/Mac Pro flash storage modules. 8GB of RAM or Less should only come with a computer which has an original sale price of

[@l4kr]

When have you ever worn out an SSD? Literally when? I use a cheap SSD as a cache drive an in 1 year I could write hundreds of terabytes in it. Guess what, some of the SSDs lasted me longer than HDDs.

[@taylorshin]

@@l4kr You DO wear out SSDs with frequent file transfer and large sized files. People check up TBW when purchasing a M.2 SSD for the same reason. And yes, professional workload requires these kind of operation a lot. Read up how NAND works and Tunneling first.

[@zeyadhanygouda8324]

what are the windows laptop specs? like cpu and gpu, because it ain't fair to compare a laptop with an i9-13980hx and rtx 4080 with an m3 macbook, because windows will be faster even if the ram matches.

[@panos7256]

I used to have all products from Apple. iPhone, iWatch, iPad and MacBook Pro. I wanted the just works experience. Well, the just works experience is also a limited functionality experience. You still need professional software products to do serious work such as Microsoft Office. I have a Lenovo ThinkPad with i7 12 cores, 32GB of Ram, 1TB SSD and cost me the half price of a similar MacBook. My Oppo Find X Pro is better than any iPhone, I have it for two years and still works the same as on day 1, the battery lasts the same and most importantly it fully charges in 15 Minutes. At the end you can do the same things and more in Windows, Android / Your own ecosystem. When you buy an apple product you pay a premium for a system with less features. Totally not worth it. Apples targets the inexperienced, non-technical - savvy user and charges a fortune. Additionally, it is a huge pain to escape the Apple ecosystem. Stay away from apple. Freedom, functionality and reasonable pricing do not come along with Apple products.

[@ruithisway]

Apple's RAM = made of gold

[@yaroslavurshu2732]

and assembled by small Chinese hands

[@gyrozeppeli00]

​@4070super "you got some money for me boah? saw your name in our ledger"

[@thaZeref]

Time to compare the m3 max with a 4080/4090 laptop.

[@ThinLineMedia]

Its been time for like a month now. 4090 will still be way better on GPU side. Also some 4090/4080 laptops you can get for twice as cheap as the 40 core M3 Max. I bought mine 4090 for 2900$ , while the equivalent 2tb M3 Max would cost me almost 6 grand here in Europe.

[@nuclearchef-san8304]

@@BeaglefreilaufKalkar about 2 hours gaming and about 40db but can ramp up to about50db./5-6 hours of mixed use otherwise..35-45db fan noise.😜Hey you asked,bro!

[@chrism869]

@@nuclearchef-san8304 no one will be gaming on battery power on windows laptops so who cares, to get the full power it needs to be plugged in, and regardless the mobile 4090 will easily outperform any m3 chip gpu

[@nuclearchef-san8304]

@@chrism869 I have and do while on the go and not plugged in.. My worst time was at 1hour use on battery while gaming. my first reply was from my own experience.. And yes the 4090mobile smokes m3max in terms of graphics horsepower, I never said it didn’t?

[@thaZeref]

@@ThinLineMedia Macs have been and will probably always be more expensive than other brands, that is something people have known for decades now. On the GPU side, yeah, your 4090 will be a macbook pro killer machine but only while plugged in, which for a LAPTOP is nonsense for most buyers: when purchasing a Laptop people normally buy it considering the fact that most of the time they're somewhere else and not at home hence with little access to power. If you need to be plugged in to maximize your performance, then I would get a dekstop pc with NVIDIA, and not a gaming laptop. What's more I prefer waiting more time, even 10 times more rather than covering my ears until that gaming latptop noise stops.

[@wCUuXWag]

The Lenovo has a Nvidia GPU with its own memory so more than 16 GB. Not exactly the comparison Apple was talking about but yeah still 8GB is not enough l.

[@waterjack5216]

To be honest, without exact specification of that 16 GB RAM system, the whole evaluation is meaningless.

[@DarkVadimjke]

you can see that Lenovo got RTX on board and most likely is connected to the wall

[@pranavgothoskar8893]

@@DarkVadimjke So if windows doesnt have rtx, 8 gb mac won't use swap? Why the hell mac users have only one point?? BATTERY? Did you know when your ssd dies due to swap, you have to throw that mac into dustbin ..

You can’t look it up goofy?

[@Hangyeol97]

Having 8GB of ram is like having 64gb of storage on phones. It doesnt affect many people who doesnt install bunch of mobile games and use it just for the basic stuff, but definitely not enough for people who dont. In my opinion, Apple really needs to consider about making the base model at least 16gb for basic muiltitasking at work, and maybe make a SE version like iPhones for people who plan to use it for uni, watching videos and etc.

[@dominusdone5023]

But why though? You can get any non 1000 dollar device to surf the Internet?

[@kurtpadua1920]

m3 8gb memory ram is ridiculous...

[@ahaimes6320]

I never see that pointed out on Surface Pro, Galaxy Book Pro, XPS 13, etc reviews! All of which start at 8GB in the UK!!! So, if you are just flexing on Apple then I will say you are probably just flexing. The industry standard for ultrabooks is 8GB, right or wrong, and as Windows has 91% of the market, they set the parameters and are to blame. Of course, most Windows reviews are sponsored so creators are sent top of the line configs and they never buy the base Galaxy Book 3 Pro (etc) and test that out, for obvious reasons (lose sponsorships).

[@re_yolo]

@@ahaimes6320 Apple fanboy detected

[@AZisk]

graphics and video professionals should not be using 8GB machines. not even 16

[@TheDude50447]

According to a quick google search unified memory is purely trying to minimize or remove redundancies in the shared ram between gpu and cpu. Hence data used by the gpu and cpu will only be stored once. Makes sense for the mac which only got integrated graphics but on the legion any more graphically intensive task will be run on the dedicated gpu with its own vram.

[@sayankakalita7827]

Unified memory is just like a cheap term for using system ram as both dram and vram 💀, only difference is windows have a fix allocation, and because Mac is a soc even if it uses virtual ram it doesn't affect it too much, but overall they are marketing a existing tech with different name

[@TheDude50447]

@@sayankakalita7827 simply said with unified memory if the gpu and cpu need the same data then its stored only once in system ram. Normally youd have to store it twice. Once for the cpu and once for the gpu.

[@sayankakalita7827]

@@TheDude50447 yeah 👍

[@guyarnaultmfoumbi8876]

Even though you're right and all people is agreed to say 8gb is not enough today for a Mac, but you compare a baseline MBK pro with a i9 windows laptop with RTX GPU maybe 4060, I think there is some biais, what do you think 🤔

[@daanw6270]

The speed compared to each other isn't really the point, it's the difference in speed when you're performing tasks while lots of RAM is being used. The mac has no head room, so immediately gets slower. Lots of performance left on the table for absolutely no reason other than Apple wanting to sell you an extra 8 gig for 200$ and is worth less than 20$. In a 1600$ machine btw. It's even affecting the lifespan of the machine so you would need to buy another one much sooner, which Apple obviously doesn't mind either. It's just anti consumer and greedy. Even making up lies that 8gig is the same as 16 in a windows machine which makes 0 sense. But it doesn't matter, Apple cultists will keep bending over for this company forever.

[@kabirycreator]

In Linux (Ubuntu) we can actually increase or decrease the swappiness value of our system to tell the PC to use more ram and less swap storage (hard disk) as ram, this speeds up the system significantly 😊

[@King_Kong_Song]

It's in Windows and even Android. Most likely part of MacOS too.

[@daanw6270]

Nobody cares about Linux

[@King_Kong_Song]

@@daanw6270 Declining Windows marketshare says otherwise

[@GaetanLeGac]

Nobody except nerds are ready to use a 10 years late OS

[@pranavgothoskar8893]

@@daanw6270 We dont even expect mac users to look at linux

[@AlanTheBeast100]

This fits my experience in the sense that similar task loading on my M3 iMac results in similar memory load as my i7 iMac. However: I bought it with 24 GB of RAM so I usually have 8 - 10 GB of available memory except on the most consuming apps. I don't like swap generally and with SSD even less.

[@CrassSpektakel]

Using an amd64 system without mentioning its CPU is utterly unprofessional. Shame on you. But then your tests - although primitive at most - seem to be somewhat legit. But let me mention ONE thing: I bought an Ryzen 4600H Notebook in 2020 for €1000 (32Gbyte RAM, 2500GByte, Geforce 1660Ti) and it OUTPERFORMS even the M3 in almost every task. So I wonder WHY you paid $1600 for your Notebook. Because Apple is so often lying that it needs a very special customer base to keep going. I have been using ARM for 20 years and ARM instructions are LONGER and need MORE instructions for the same thing. At worst ARM-code can be 300% bigger, at best 50% bigger.

[@Япохожнакота]

What are the characteristics of the Lenovo Legion Windows laptop, the exact processor model and what video card was used? Nvidia RTX 3050???

[@Yangking-z9d]

If it's $1600 like the Mac I'm assuming it has a 4060 or 4070 GPU with i7 14700hx

[@daveh6356]

For its intended market, 12GB/256GB (with the same NANDs the iMac has) would have worked better. The upgrade gouging is criminal.

[@ElectronicInspiration]

not to mention that louis rossman was discussing how bad the idea of soldered on SSDs are, plus the fact that the RAM is not upgreadable. As software becomes more ram intensive (or in some workloads already is) then the page file will have to be accessed a lot more, which will accelerate the decline of the SSD health, not to mention that you cant upgrade either to prevent the inevitable. also im not just pointing the fingers at apple, some windows laptops have soldered on everything which is equally anti consumer and i heavily dislike

[@Skorrigan]

What were the price tags exactly of the two models tested?

[@fkutw4tt3rtub3]

Legion was probably 300-400$ cheaper and also came with a dedicated gpu

[@dreamingabyss]

All this did was demonstrate that there is a negligible difference if you aren't a photo editor. Guess what, the vast majority of us aren't content creators only creating content about how good certain laptops are at making content lmao. The base-line MacBook Air M2 has been flawless for the dozen+ window business analyst work I do.

[@bythewei]

Used a M1 Macbook Air to proceess hundreds of 50-megapixel raw files. Works fine for me. It’s also important to remember that taking 1-2 extra minutes to complete your task is perfectly fine for 95% of the population. I would say that if your work does not involve gaming, photo/video editing and coding, a base model is fine. Be happy with what you have, and not spend time fretting over what you don’t have. Peace.

[@SashineB]

I hope Apple learns a lesson from this. I was going to buy the M3 iMac and then I decided against it due to that RAM scam. I can get by very nicely with my Intel iMac that has 16GB RAM. And Apple wonders why their sales were down in the last quarter??

[@fintonmainz7845]

For every intelligent person like yourself there's 1000 fools who will do the opposite. I bet from a marketing point of view they're doing the right thing to make $$$$$

[@arbiter1]

Yet this has been what Apple has been doing since around mid 2000's. they havent learned then they will never learn now.

[@SashineB]

@@arbiter1 I would consider getting a Windows PC, but my Mac TimeMachine backups can't be converted for Windows, from what I've heard. I'm sick of Apple charging sky-high rates for RAM.

[@taylorshin]

Chinese intervention that banning Apple devices from their 'nation' owned or operated facilities can be the main reason. Unlike US or any western countries, many of 'big' companies and facilities are owned by Chinese government there. And also need to consider that most of PC sales are coming out of those 'facility' purchases not retail. I think Apple kept the 8 GB / 256 GB set up just to supply those 'work computers' instead of actually selling them to any professionals or someone who actually has expectations for a ~1,000 USD machine. On the other hand, Chinese population who can afford such expensive boutique machine with menial spec is way more than any western hemisphere combined. Let's hope those Chinese switching to Huawei or their own stuff. Then who knows? Apple may have to re-evaluate their shady tactics.

[@homurak8]

Just wanted to inform you, Windows actively uses swap even when the RAM is nowhere near to full, just so that you can have more free RAM, which is kind of genius. for example at 0:51 you can see that although 5.7 GB of physical RAM is being used, 8.3GB of RAM is actually being used, so it's already using 2.6GB of SSD Swap memory in order to free up some of that physical RAM. Also, it says that 8.3GB out of 25.8GB of "memory" is being used, which is because there is a ~10GB swapfile that the system allocated on top of the 16GB of physical RAM.

[@matuszewskistudio]

It's the same with OS X. I have 64gb in my system and according to activity monitor i have 5gb of swap while only gaving 36gb RAM used. Prices of memory in recent macs is nuts.

[@deadboy9955]

I have a hard time understanding how using swap when ram is nowhere near full beneficial? SSDs have a limited lifetime compared to ram sticks, so you're essentially wearing out your ssd when you have zero need to do so.

[@homurak8]

@@deadboy9955 it puts system components that don’t need constant reading into the swap memory so that the RAM is cleared up for better performance and more free RAM, but yes it will wear out the SSD(very slowly as there isn’t that much swap being used normally)

[@deadboy9955]

@@homurak8 from what I garner, it's reason seems to be more for preserving data in case of a system crash. As ram is volatile, if everything's stored in ram then it is lost in a crash, but the pagefile/swap is not lost and can be recovered.

[@homurak8]

@@deadboy9955 that’s also a reason, yes, but most of the data is stored in the volatile ram anyways and will be lost, and some of it will be written to a dump file. most programs like the microsoft office suite will continually write to a temporary directory on the drive anyways in case of catastrophic power loss

[@azexy21]

it's a brilliant money-milking strategy by Apple and you can say I'm impressed. they actually expected videos like this showing that 8GB isn't enough and they are counting on it because buyers will go for a higher-speced system I mean 200$ for an extra 8GB RAM is very profitable to Apple.

[@trademarktmel]

not really, it's the same price for $16 GB RAM at launch (m2 pro 14 was $1999 base). the 8 gb is just a lower starting price. the bigger thing is apple hiding it a bit by putting the 16gb SKU behind custom orders rather than being able to pick it up in store

[@fidelisitor8953]

@@trademarktmel Which is why it's a brilliant money-milking strategy! They discount only the 8GB models while they make you pay full price for the 16GB models because they know most people will be buying that model. Brilliant!

[@babarsheikh9006]

My Arch Linux uses around 500MB to run the OS😅

[@craighudson4382]

Too bad the specs of the windows machine were not in the description, Specifically, does it have dedicated GPU// Video memory? M series SoC have to share ram with GPU's so it would be nice if the windows machine had to do the same. Irregardless, 8GB is just stupid at this point in time.

[@Krilium]

No, it absolutely does not matter. The ONLY thing that matters is that the price is the same

[@stevenp6761]

and you also need to deduct memory for the GPU… sweet.

[@surfsD47]

TL:DR: Haha, this turned out to be a "they had us in the first half"-type of comment, but I couldn't agree more!! This is a total disgrace and pure corporate greed from Apple. I mean, come on, at their scale of mass production, how much adding extra 8gb (or even at least 4, so that no swap is used for most common tasks)? 10-20 bucks? And that translates to +200$ for the user?? AND it is not upgradable in any way shape or form like in every other laptop??? (same goes for storage, btw, +200$ for and extra 256gb on the ssd? Is this year 2012 or something??) So uncaring, greedy and disrespectful to the customer, covered up by lies "oh it is the same as 16gb"... Nope. No, it's not the same. But, in any case, maybe you shouldn't have 30 tabs open in chrome, regardless of the ram available, haha =) P.S.Been using the 8gb MacBook Air 15 for some heavy c++ development, so far so good! Compiles very fast, even with a few tabs open in the browser. Haven't seen any lag in any daily use so far. And the reduction in weight from an MBP 16" is just pure bliss!.. Best laptop ever! (I wish 16Gb model didn't cost 2000$+ in my country, tho...otherwise this wouldn't have been such a difficult choice! But no regrets on the 8gb ram so far)

[@kwasigentleman5051]

One thing we need to understand is that Apple will tell you what they want you to believe in. They are good at that.

[@kencritchley5546]

Did I miss it but what processor was the PC running with?

[@skld1295]

It was running i9, probably 13-th gen like 13900H maybe from the looks of it Lenovo legion is a great series overall They have great cooling system, fast charging and their design just hits the spot for me This is how laptop with powerful processor and graphics should be made Im rocking one right now with 2060 and i7-10750H

[@Adore_04]

what's the windows laptops specs?

[@James_Lurk]

Like a past PC gamer who was interested in hiend specs PCs, building PC etc. can not understand actual apple users who considering 8 GB laptop like something good and 16 GB RAM already like some special or futureproof in 2024. Honestly, all of you are just super brainwashed by Apple, used to spend significant amount of money basically for nothing. Most of you are uprooted and locked by Apple for such a long time that you did not realize this bad reality if you considering 8 GB RAM in 1600 USD laptop in 2024 like something OK. I had 12 GB of ram maybe already somewhere in early 2000s with my Intel Celeron Tualatin/TNT2 config, my last PC around 2015 with C2D used to have firstly 8 - WHAT A BIG MISTAKE, then upgraded to 16 GB and I am lot talking also about storage itself - basically all my "PC carieer" I am no used to feel any insufficients of RAM or storage, my last PC used to have both amounts better in 2015 than many discussed Apple computers of novadays - LOL? As I am getting older and dont gaming to much, I switched to Apple two years back, I choosed MB PRO 16" M1 MAX, 32 GB ram and 1 TB like absolutely minimum to feel "upgraded" from my last PC, even storage itself is big downgrade. Processor feels to have enought power for my needs for next 10 years at least and I feel no pressure regarding RAM and storage needs, I can use this laptop until it will be alive - this is great feeling, yes, for big price - basically I am aware Apple basically robbed me. Like time going, I am more happy to feel safe with this great "futureproof" machine instead to save some money and think every day about "if my 8 GB ram laptop will be enough in two years in the case storage chip will not die first due to permanent swap"... Guys, wake up!

[@TBoneX1]

I have been using MacBook for my work and I recently downgraded from MBP 16" i9 to MBA m2. Although the baseline both are similar, multitasking just with chrome is a pain and the m2 just bottlenecks with lack of ram. Apple just knows how to squeeze the money out of you. I really miss my i9. Heck it works great in windows bootcamp.

[@triero]

I have the Lenovo Legion Slim 7i, which looks like the same model used in this test, and it has 16GB soldered to the motherboard with a single open SO-DIM slot. This means that if you don't add another 16GB to the Lenovo, it cannot take advantage of dual-channel memory architecture, and it performs worse than other 16GB dual-channel laptops on memory-intensive benchmarks.

[@dashcamcrashchannel9833]

If it has ddr5 isn’t a single stick already dual channel just by its architecture?

[@potatoes5829]

@@dashcamcrashchannel9833 afaik, ddr4 is 1x64bit channel per dimm, ddr5 is 2x32bit (I.e., it reports as 2 channels, but its really 1 channel split in two)

[@adrien437]

8 gb is usable if you run Linux on it

[@wangfire4219]

macOS = Linux distro

[@pythnnify]

@@wangfire4219 macos isnt linux its unix you fucking idiot

[@pythnnify]

@@wangfire4219 try running a linux app on a macbook and see how you fail just like you very clearly failed at everything else in life

[@wangfire4219]

@@pythnnify of course. Apple are greedy company with engineers to make his product "exclusive". There are own rules of launching apps and other but core is the same

[@pythnnify]

@@wangfire4219 this comment makes pretty much no sense and the shit that I can understand is just wrong

[@UntrainedPuppy]

Absolutely tripe! I have a M1 Mac (2020) 16gb and i eat through the unified Ram, i just bought a Custom PC costing £1500 which is about £500 more than my mac costed, specs are 64GB DDR5 Ryzen 9 12 Core, 3060 12GB Graphics. Apple is A rip off for performance.

[@Aleksaaa555]

I think we need to compare only memory. You have run so many graphical tests, but it is about graphic card more than about memory. All we need is memory tests. 8 GB on Mac is almost the same as 16 GB on PC it is true because MacOS is way more efficient as OS than Windows.