8th edition Imperial Knights Codex; review

[@chaz32]

I find it rather funny that the man-portable hellblaster guns have a higher AP value than an enourmous Knight-mounted plasma cannon. Fantastic work GW *pets his 15 Dark Angels Hellblasters*

[@benrobbo2902]

chaz32 *pets 15 salamanders hellblasters captain and lieutenant*

[@benrobbo2902]

*Reroll hits of 1 wound of 1 and one re roll for 1 fail for each for salamanders chapter tactics*

[@chaz32]

I'll take Grim Resolve + Weapons From The Dark Age any day =D

[@drizztiley8740]

Why would I take a thunderstrike gauntlet? Because It looks cool and I can throw things.

[@Arcodus]

Plus, if you really feel like it, you can model it making rude gestures at the foe:D

[@theoffbeatgamer8285]

Drizzt Iley has a good relic and stratagem as well although 9/10 feet are better but 1 gauntlet in an army can be useful

[@gathin1]

The relic version of it is fantastic

[@theoffbeatgamer8285]

gathin1 they have so many good relics I can easily see paying 3cp for 3 total. Gatling gun, 2+ save and 3rd depending on knight configs will be my go to along with 4++ trait. Then add cheap guard for backfield and probably Gman as he does a lot for the knights even when he’s not warlord.

[@gathin1]

Yea it is stiff competition. However, if you have built a warden its 2+ to hit in melee and extra attack combined with the relic gauntlet not having a -1 to hit certainly do give it a purpose in existing. It is a very hard choice and against most things the gauntlet is probably overkill anyway....but damn it is fun to think about

[@trentathawat6714]

22:12 Household Traditions ("chapter traits") 44:49 Stratagems

[@gathin1]

not all heroes wear capes

[@bradleyunderhill6449]

Trentat Hawat thanks

[@charliehaines7499]

Cheers mate

[@Allaryc]

That's official i'm gonna build robots, bless the emperor the omnimessiah

[@bobsickle2336]

I ca't believe that devastating reach is a stratagem and not just something that all large models get. I's pretty stupid when you see a Knight next to a ruin at crotch height and not being able to attack the midgets hiding right on the edge of it just because they aren't mingling at his feet. Surely they would be even easier to hit with his arms at that height.

[@erikbrown1827]

Just wow! Brutal beasts! Hope the Orks Stompa, Gorka/Morkanaut gets some love this upcoming Codex,..

[@tuatarafromnz5303]

I love the idea of burdens and qualities. Thanks for the review.

[@hamsack981]

I wish they made rules for 7th for that little walker one. That thing is sweet.

[@teambellavsteamalice]

What are recommended setups mixing with AdMech? I think you mentioned AdMech lacked heavy firepower except for the cool onager dunecrawlers with neutron lasers. Cheaper or more cost-effective knights seem like a good addition. What setup would fit in 2000 points and work well? What do you think of the fluff of imperial knights? I think it weird, as they'd rely on AdMech to build and repair the machines, why don't they just use them theirselves? On the other hand these flaws in fluff, like the separate space marines and IG vehicles (all made and repaired by AdMech) result in variation on the tabletop. I'd consider knight worlds just primitive agri-forgeworlds, but still 100% controlled by a larger "true" forgeworld. and think it would be fluffy and logical to always integrate them in an AdMech force. As Raven Guard has its own forgeworld and Iron Hands should have dozens, I'd like it if they also could have knights, but i guess that wouldn't be fluffy. (and techmarines can only repair chapter vehicles 😢) What could AdMech add to knights besides CP and repair, what do they lack most? Would you think mixing with IG would be nice and/or make sense? I assume IG already have enough tanky firepower?

[@Forgemaster1]

would probably add just one knight to my AdMech list, at the moment looking at one of the new Dominus class (not sure which one) because you can have a fair amount of firepower for AdMech, e.g. Ryza Plasma Kataphron Destroyers overcharging wound T8 on 3+ (T7 on 2+) for 3 damade per shot & Neutron Lasers. but surprisingly AdMech can shine in combat (especially Stygies VIII) 10+ melee priests infiltrating or Stygies Dragoons running up and charging you can do damage as well. I would pick which class of knight after I get the codex to see what stratagems, abilities etc are available for each. the triple flamer one could provide a nice distraction and horde killing, where as the volcano lance one would provide similar longe range firepower, it would probably depend on what else I have in my list.

[@massivepineapplerainofdeat2867]

Death grip is so OP. I love it!

[@hamsterhotep]

House Taranis were going to bethe fluff-centric choice to go with my Mars Admech force. Now there's a much greater incentive. All I have to do now is work out which flavour of armiger I want.

[@jasonnoreen5920]

Tom Cole I'm thinking the warglaives are the way to go. Admech is already really strong on long ranged firepower but lacks mobility.

[@hamsterhotep]

Good point. Plus, with the points drop, there's probably room for another Onager dunecrawler.

[@GirlPainting]

What i am wondering is, can we finaly take knights, dual wielding their main weapon? like a paladin with 2 battle cannons, or a errant with 2 mega melters? the renegade knights could always do that before, but the imperial ones are always stuck to "whats in the box" configuration :-(

[@JHRgaming93]

I’m considering getting another army I could use with my marines are the Imperial knights worth getting as I love the look of them

[@TheSushiandme]

I enjoyed this video so much I ate an entire large pizza... i was in the zone... forgot to moderate myself... :)

[@thatfrenchguy9140]

Say, do I have one shield drone per missile... Why yes I most definetly do! Gotta love how a recon drone can stop two of those.

[@SuperGreentears]

Ah crap and now i am making a Knight army, i already have two knights so i may as well buy the big guy and a few of the smaller ones

[@ehahn775]

Thank you for sharing this video with us all!

[@wintersSEO]

e hahn No problem

[@grantbetts9123]

My brain now hurts from all that inload. Gonna rewatch to get some of that in my head til my codex arrives. But first batrep time.(Penitent forge's buddies are gonna look epic stomping on things.lol)

[@Allaryc]

Is their a new kit coming for this Canix Rex special character? I like his gun a lot

[@SWRDFSH3850]

Arthur Demarcq Delormel I assume so

[@benrobbo2902]

Yes

[@kaelsyn_nz]

Seems like Knights are going to struggle to get command points

[@MorkathRagnarok]

IG are easily splashed in though, 180 points gets them a 5cp battalion.

[@teambellavsteamalice]

Aren't AdMech more logical and fluffy, who wouldn't mix em up? 3 troops are nice for objectives and 2 HQ can repair, right?

[@augustwillow3925]

Bella Alice Swan Cullen. Use Imperial Guard as a militia from the Knight's home world.

[@teambellavsteamalice]

Isaac Adnitt Right, that makes sense! Do IG have admech that can repair knights? enginseers maybe?

[@augustwillow3925]

Bella Alice Swan Cullen I dont think IG do. I know if your knight is Questor Mechanius a tech priest can repair a knight 1 wound and cawl can repair for D3

[@LandofMert76]

can you make a 500 or 400 point list with the new book?

[@WuerfelsportFreunde]

When can we see an nice Report with the loveley new Knights?

[@wintersSEO]

Sunday

[@MrShacman]

Hey all, seen a few bat reps with dreadnoughts using auto cannons, is this a thing in 8th as cant see it in the codex (thanks for the help)

[@Anyustis1]

Hi! What do you think about using ik in a competitive format like itc?? Mixed with admech?

[@jamesross970]

Iv literal year Just started playing raven guard 8th edition properly (I THINK)...... quick Question; Canis Rex..... if I bring just him, with a 2k Battle Forged list of RG will I loose my 3CP from ‘battle forged’? So sorry if I sound like a moron I just literally WANT ONE NOW!!!! More than likely to start my second army................

[@biggis74]

Does the book have the rules for the piece of terrain for the knights?

[@wintersSEO]

Yes. It's bad. So I didn't bother with it

[@henryc4209]

What's the power of the valiant, castellan and helverins?

[@lordchaosmonkey552]

Can any of the knights, be used in a chaos marine army?

[@RedTankable]

so I won't have command points if I take 2 armingers and 1 dominus? A bit disapointed if its the case...

[@dowdrickvonfukleberg756]

I think you've over looked the devastation House raven would bring with that ridiculous speed Winter

[@wardog456]

Info for the scenery piece?

[@jag1460]

Blue Striped same would love to know what that actually does.

[@Waaagghhh]

So sad that Arminger Class are Lords of War but don’t count as a LoW to gain the 3CP Why a LoW? Why not heavy and allow your big Knight as a HQ and then little ones as HS - gain 1CP at least Useless classification for the small Knight Especially as when they were released GW wrote about how great the Arminger were to gain CP as LoW choices You will squeeze in 3 big guys in a list and that’s 6CP That’s it!

[@zacharynelson1992]

Waaagghhh that's what the guard battalion is for...

[@Waaagghhh]

Oh for sure - but for someone wanting just Knights its pants

[@briancripps496]

Because Knights don't have HQ models. They are Lords of War. They'd have to provide a hefty rework of "what counts as what" and just for pure Knight lists to make it work. This is why the Armiger counts as a Lord of War. It would otherwise simply not work in a Knight codex. As for why they made the Armigers not count for the command points, it's because they dropped rather dramatically in points. Imagine being able to take 3 random dreadnoughts in your Marine list to get 3 command points? Right now, you have to add an HQ and then only get 1CP for your troubles. It's clearly not their intent. Though I'd have liked to see them allow you to take 3 Armigers as a single LoW choice and have it still count towards the 3CP. That way you could take a wolf pack of 9 Armigers and still get 3 CP for it.

[@teabagsmckenzie]

The GW logic/reasoning isn't very good, 2000 points of knights should be able to get ~9-12 cp like 2000 points of anything else. How potent and how much the stratagems cost is a seperate issue all together. "We don't want players to spam helverins/armigiers"; well you can't if you can only have 3 datasheets of the same unit as that beta rule will probably become permanent.

[@jtowensbyiii6018]

i would despise them if they did that, thats just pandering to expensive builds for no reason, lords of war are and always will be expensive, so to have them have 0 weaknesses is just not balanced

[@timostegemann9738]

For him u got shadowswords ;)

[@nipitas]

Hmn, really thinking about adding 3 Armiger Helverins to my AdMech Army. In my opinion they are pretty good against alot of things, like Primaris and Terminators for example. But i dont know what the best way would be. I would love to be able to repair them with my HQ. Any suggestion?

[@wintersSEO]

The Helverins are boss. Get a chunk of them

[@SWRDFSH3850]

nipitas I do like them I am thinking of making an admech list with 2x Warglaives for the melee capabilities and the big boom Castellan knight. I don't know if I like the Warglaives or Hellglaives more.....hmmmm are the autocannons assualt?

[@nipitas]

STM Polaris ist's easy! Moar Dakka for the Dakka God! 😎

[@j-pgamefreek4191]

So what about chaos knights

[@RemTV]

So can armigers be freeblades?

[@Dantevonlocke]

Just want to point out, you don't have to be in base contact for melee. You have to be within 1 inch.

[@thomasfrance382]

Could you do a battle report with just Knights?

[@konrad6661]

Did Armiger characters have any relicts?

[@short_yeti2058]

So Rotate Ion Shield ins't 3CP for Dominus class..?

[@gitsapalooza8027]

An hour of joy!

[@archivedchannel175]

I really want to see the imperial knights in a battle report again now xD

[@darkstalker2000]

Tabletop tactics just released a Death guard vs. knight batrep.

[@archivedchannel175]

did they? holy crap how did I miss that xD

[@TheTabCrawler]

How to roll a 9 or more for a freeblade? Leadership is 1D6 right?

[@Allaryc]

TheTabCrawler well, before the 8th leadership test, where 2d6 if you're equal or under your leadership it's pass otherwise it's a fail. This work the same way

[@josephconway1526]

Can chaos take freeblades or is chaos completely out of luck?

[@baudbard]

So far chaos knights are out of luck.

[@briancripps496]

There are no rules for Renegades in this codex. As such, you will have to still use the Index. Or have friends that are fine with narrative alternative choices, like allowing you to take a Renegade out of this book, using this book's rules (you'd lose the 2 Avenger cannon load-out, though). Or, y'know, just play a full Renegade Knight list, and straight use this codex. No need to worry whether you have the keyword if you don't take any other Chaos models. There are several ways to make it work. You just need to not play in a super-tournament/matched play centric gaming group.

[@isannui]

Well there are options for renegade knights in the boxed game they're reprinting, but other than that, as folks have said, the index is your only other option.

[@DeepInPotatoSalad]

Can imperial knights take 2 of the same weapon in the new codex? or is this still a chaos only characteristic?

[@caboosealmighty3735]

Kyle Palmer nope

[@Jeremy1041]

It's House Taranis in Mechanicum, not House Terryn

[@johnedwards9443]

Yea default weapons should not be upgraded unless u change to another weapon

[@SWRDFSH3850]

John Edwards What knights are you talking about? The relics are good.

[@constrainedanacronysm1370]

From posts and leaks I've noticed that some relics and traits will be just restricted to Questor Imperialis. As an Ad Mech player who uses knights, for us "Questor Mechanicus," how restricted might I be in utilizing this books relics, traits and stratagems with "Questor Mechanicus Knights?"

[@The3rdFunkateer]

Constrained Anacronysm No. and are different keywords so the special rules from one will not apply to another. It's the same as special rules not applying to . However, you can run a Questor Imperialis detachment with your AdMech army no problems. You just need to be aware of which special rules will apply and which won't.

[@constrainedanacronysm1370]

Aarav Winters is getting further into it now, and I'm relieved. I was worried they were abandoning the Questor Mechanicus Keyword, but just looks like each faction will have specific traits and relics, and get to use the general things as well. Just as long as it is not a special thing for the other faction.

[@Stormy2021x]

Might want to up the volume on your voice.

[@johnedwards9443]

It’s not what Knight it’s how GW making all vehicles set points as in you just bought a vehicle with no weapon then default weapons are paid for I think it wrong default weapon should be free cause it came with the model as a default and upgrade should be paid for (example last edition predator default weapons were auto cannon top turret and side sponson were heavy bolters if you wanted to change weapon load out then you pay for them )

[@thomassmall70]

It means they can have weapons have the same value across all models, for example replacing an autocannons with a lascannon should be less of a points investment than replacing a bolter with a lascannon so by making you pay for the autocannons they don't have to reduce the price of lascannons for that specific model compared to other models.

[@peanusbenis5631]

Nice

[@commanderdon4300]

Hurray the Mechanicus codex is finally complete -_- So those larger class of knight are less than 600 points? why would you ever field a Baneblade or one of it's variants? Also the points drops completely invalidate a lot of my Mechanicus codex(not that there's much good in it anyway) and I think they were too deep, knights are way too cheap. We are going to see knights on the table every game now.

[@mitchverr9330]

I added the cost to being 577 and 604 points pending version, a baneblade is significantly cheaper points wise, 456 points, a shadowsword is 404 points iirc. The shadowsword is still arguably the best imperial super duper in my view.

[@commanderdon4300]

A Baneblade is 527 with 2 sponsons and without it's 459 but no one takes them without, a Shadowsword with 2 sponsons is 472. I have never seen a Baneblade or variant fielded without sponsons in any battle report online or in person, also 404 points for a volcano cannon at BS 4+ and a single twin bolter... wtf how is that ever worth more than 2 manticores?

[@mitchverr9330]

Might not be worth it to you, but I have seen them fielded very well in 8th without sponsons in armies where other units are pulled in to protect them, especially the shadowsword, its job is to fire upon and destroy big threats, you can also give it a support vehicle or 2 from FW to make it better, it effectively removes a landraider and half per turn or another baneblade per turn with a couple wounds to spare, if your firing on titanic you reroll wounds. Stick a support vehicle with it and your taking out knights per turn with it hitting on average a little over 5 times instead of just 3, AKA titan per turn killing. If you really need to take it with self defence guns, you can also take the shadowsword with only the twin heavy bolters, no need for the lascannons thanks to the FAQ.

[@Starburst7641]

Spoiler Alert: It`s a gud`un!

[@WilliamKuby]

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[@davedogge2280]

Fifth but 1st for momma Ork who is not really a mum.

[@bluhfer1445]

Harlequins will laugh at your green Corpses! Hahahahahaha For the Laughing God!

[@Michaentus]

The shooty mini knights look terrible (Helverins) the guns are basically sticks (rifle dreads looks much better with 2 barrels and the ammo mags showing and its an old kit)and of course, still have that tiny dumb hat gun of the Armigers. Looks like they spent all the time on the design of the big knights.

[@briancripps496]

Use a bit of finagling, build twin-barreled arms for your Helverins. Make 'em look like a Mechwarrior Vulture. Would suit quite well and give 'em a distinct look compared to others. Kinda want to do this, myself, now....

[@Michaentus]

There are third party weapons made for them that look like miniguns and look amazing, on shapeways if i remember correctly). Cheers

[@snoweefrost4412]

super late to the conversation but they are supposed to look like Tournament Lances, so yeah the stick look is intentional :)

[@xriansspace9874]

Ya yeeeet 1st

[@bluhfer1445]

Bahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhhahahahahahha!!! More toys for us too destroy!! For the Laughing God!!!!

[@bluhfer1445]

STM Polaris Hahahahahaha! Look at this Space Marine. You got a pair of jingle Jangles on You! (Flys by on his skyweaver and jumps off walks over and says "Lets Dance" *performs the Riverdance*)

[@phillyb4588]

u guys r gonna buy knights make games workshop rich then they will nerf it...dont fall for the same 40k... come to 30k

[@thomassmall70]

Philly B yeah, with the other 3 people that play it.

[@phillyb4588]

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[@phillyb4588]

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[@zacharynelson1992]

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[@tabe8850]

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