£90,000 car Blows engine up 2 weeks out of warranty, we couldn’t believe what main dealer says!

Well guys we want your opinion, this poor customer buys a £90,000 car that blows the engine 2 weeks out of warranty and main dealer doesn’t want to know, what do you think?

[@PhilG999]

When I was responsible for "Warranty" claims my "unofficial" rule was IF we found a warrantable failure within ONE MONTH after the warranty expired, we covered it. Only did it a couple times but "Management" never complained...

[@andrewbaron8713]

A lady I know bought a car from motorpoint. They went to book it in for a service and the service date as a Sunday, so they booked it in for the Monday. Two months later the gearbox went bang. Motorpoint said warranty was invalid as it was serviced a day late.

[@DTyzfR1]

As an old technician I’m very interested in seeing the inside of the Land Rover engine as it comes apart ! The black sludge you showed was an good indication it’s never been touched and the oil has never been changed! Some manufacturers are saying the oil changes are only due when the dash indicates it required as the oil quality sensor will tell you to change the oil? This is completely mad in my opinion, I would like your thoughts on this as you strip down the engine and reveal the truth

[@JustMe-Dude]

JLR just presets the time and mileage to indicate on your dash when the oil change is due. There is also a calculation for oil dilution that they have stretched to 7% that will indicate an early change is necessary. At 7% you've already done damage.

[@clivewilliams3661]

Its well worth fitting a Kleenoil bypass filter that filters down to 1.5 microns instead of 15 microns for the full flow filter. You can genuinely double the oil change intervals so long as a new Kleenoil filter is replaced on schedule. These filters are used extensively on truck fleets where the huge mileages mean that service schedules can come around very quickly.

[@JustMe-Dude]

@@clivewilliams3661 unfortunately that is snake oil on passenger vehicles. That only works on long-haul trucks because they run almost continuously for long distances. Ships also use bigger filters and centrifuge separators. Not some thing the common owner would have installed or even understand. The science behind bypass filters on the average persons car is nonexistent and the claims of increasing oil change intervals is pure sales gimmick. It does not address the types of contamination these vehicles get based on shorter distances and fuel dilution.

[@clivewilliams3661]

@@JustMe-Dude My Range Rover with a Toyota B diesel engine has a Kleenoil bypass filter fitted, which has been in place for the last 25+ years and I haven't done star ship mileages. The whole point of the bypass filter is the extra fine filtration of the carbon deposits that plague diesel engines, which is becoming evermore of a problem the closer the clearances are becoming. Modern synthetic oils have a much bigger tolerance to contamination of fuels and the like and that is why extended oil change periods are allowed, once you take out the major reason for the oil change i.e. the carbon chunks then there is no reason to extend the oil change period. As I said previously, the Kleenoil bypass filtration system is fitted to major truck fleet users is to keep the trucks on the road for longer between oil changes that causes downtime and therefore disproportionate expense.

[@iainball2023]

​@JustMe-Dude but it will help filter out the bits of rod bearing floating around in the 50/50 diesel oil mix 🤣🤣🤣

[@abzzeus]

I always made sure that the service was done at least a month before the warranty ran out

[@wulliest]

I had a Ford Puma (the Steve McQueen one) from new thanks to a 'staff discount' deal. On it's last service in Warranty (3 year) I mentioned to the guy at the desk "There's a noise coming from the gearbox / clutch area that wasn't there when I bought it - seems to be when I have it on the clutch - have a look". Technician didn't notice anything of concern. Two days later I'm on a motorway going up to Scotland and the clutch release bearing let's go with a bit of a "bang", no ability to actuate the clutch, fluid all over the clutch plate etc. Got it towed to a Ford dealer back in Scotland and they went to Ford - they got copy of job card from the dealer back in England and sure enough the concern was noted. There was hardly any wear on the clutch plate itself, but it was ruined with fluid - it was clearly the bearing failure that instigated the whole thing. Ford paid for the work to do a new clutch and bearing with zero BS.

[@springtechnic]

Re noise reduction on sumps. You may never noticed that even some steel sumps are double skinned with an insulating layer in between. Noticed this 25y ago when cutting and welding them, to address clearance issues.

[@leenorman8433]

Most mini head gaskets these days rubbish. The days of plonk the head on, torque it up, add fluids and off you go are over. A start up procedure needs to be followed. With the Payen gasket the coating needs to be activated. Run the motor without any coolant for 60 seconds or so, shut off, add plain water (definitely no anti-freeze) run up to temp, shut off and re-torque head with engine hot (45ftlb if using standard studs and nuts). Allow to cool, check valve clearances then run through a few more heat cycles before dumping water and adding anti-freeze. If it’s a copper gasket spray on sealer needs to be applied. Sounds like witchcraft but this is how we have to deal with minis coming through my workshop.

[@derekhobbs1102]

We did similar on Datsun L series, but retorqued before anything was added to cooling system.

[@MiniPerformance]

Yeah it's the bk450 that a lot of us use on high horsepower mini engines, run first, re torque then add the coolant and away you go. Pocketed blocks need a special gasket anyway, I've never done it so can't say which ones you can get for them. For the steel gaskets you are supposed to run a surface ground block, ie super flat, I've never bothered and not had a gasket fail.

[@simonm7776]

“Caked with treacle”. Well said Lee Why? Cheap oil……..made from cheap base oil and cheap or obsolete additive pack? Missed an oil change or two? Who knows… It pays to use oil that - 100% protects and performs, throughout the oil drain interval.

[@JustMe-Dude]

No such thing. There is no oil that will go 20,000 miles in a diesel engine of this design, and there is a JLR specification oil that is required to meet warranty. JLR couldn't even get it to last that long in their engineering tests. The shorter distance you drive on average the shorter the oil interval due to contamination issues.

[@daledavies2334]

American heavy duty diesel manufacturers put sound deadening on the sumps 30+years ago. The mechanical injectors that injecyed once tended to hammer on the rod and main bearings pretty hard, causing noise. It was standard to do bearing rolls at 250,000 miles. Those engines working fairly hard would go 1,000,000 miles. Now with common rail injection and maybe 5 injections per power stroke, the engines are much quieter. Bearings last longer and engines are lasting over 1.5 million miles.

[@STANLIZ4]

Are they ever going to finish your roof? That scaffolding has been there weeks now!

[@GundogJake]

LR..never again. Shoddy engines and crap warranty. And the reason I now drive Lexus with a warranty up to 10 years or 100k miles if it is serviced by main dealer..

[@-DC-]

Just had both rear hubs and a door wiring harness on a 8 year old Toyota all covered under the 10 year warranty absolutely no quibble, I'll never buy anything else 👍

[@williamprobert5124]

A friend of main is a Landrover main agent tech and they normally fit 10-14 2.0 ingium engines a month they have that many discovery sports waiting they had to order more of the little trolley things that go under the wheels so they can push them around. Even the 3.0 ingenium are failing While I was talking to at there workshop a 6 week old defender came in with a sized engine he said the new defender engine are pretty easy to fit lots of room to work. The build cost of 3.0 is £750 the 2.0 is £474 that’s what the main agents get them from Landrover at when there under warranty. He said they Landrover are thinking of ditching the ingenum series and get there Diesles from bmw . The new svr is a bmw petrol

[@keithfletcher6123]

Reasons someone doesn’t want an engine shown :- 1) Sent it in but not got pre-approval from chief procurement officer (the missus) and she watches too 2) it’s being fettled as a gift for someone, who also watches - Car SOS style 3) it’s being tickled up as part of a surprise show car reveal at a show / photo shoot. 4) It’s being sorted by someone in a race series who wants to surprise the fleet with a stealth engine refresh. 5) It’s nicked …

[@minigpracing3068]

I'm guessing 4 or 5.

[@Cheepchipsable]

You can identify a stripped down engine from a photo of it? Sure a serial number but you would be hard pressed to identify a particular engine from one of these videos.

[@frasermitchell9183]

As a Jaguar XE owner, I have found the diesel Ingenium engine in my car does all I want of it. However, the service intervals specified by Jaguar are totally OTT with their intervals, being 21k miles or 2-yearly. So when I bought the car, I also bought a service plan at the Jaguar dealer who sold it to me and I got them to include an additional oil/filter change between the 2 yearly intervals. This cost me very little extra, (the car cost over £21k for heavens sake !), , and as I always say, "oil is cheap, engines are expensive". So far all is well. During my time with the car, I have been a member of the usual forums and about 3 years ago, an OP (original poster) came on who had suffered serious engine failure like your engine. It turned out after some questioning on the forum, that the car hadn't been serviced for 50k miles !!! Well, what can you say. My view is that service intervals are now barmily long, but frankly, if you don't look after your car it will come back to bite you.

[@johnmoruzzi7236]

@@frasermitchell9183 Hope you continue to enjoy your XE…. Soon to be discontinued sadly as the decline of Jaguar gathers pace… best engine the 3.0 V6 S petrol !

[@davidnorton5887]

But most of the issues have nothing to do with oil changes, like liner problems.

[@JustMe-Dude]

@@davidnorton5887 liner problems are caused by injector problems and oil problems

[@williambaird8807]

Don’t crow . These thing are time bombs. It’s not a matter of if but when.

[@DebraLeighfield]

I’ve looked after my car which now only has 37,000 miles and it’s blown. I know nothing about cars but am now learning the hard way. Always serviced at dealers and last service was only in Feb. It blow in July! And it is the dreaded 2.0ltr diesel

[@davidbillington9654]

Regarding the Morris engine I've always found the head gaskets for those A series engines come off cleanly unlike many engines where you have to scrap the remnants off the head/block surface. Worthwhile checking the nuts aren't bottoming out on the stud threads and failing the clamp the head properly, that can happen if the head/block has been skimmed a bit much.

[@phildavis434]

Agreed. I seem to recall the original washers were always thick too.

[@michaelthompson6885]

Love the reference to Mick Miller with the:very nice: comment Lee.

[@5rgs17]

Hi Lee. Why does oil go like tar? I used to find it on Pinto engines with the oil spray bar getting clogged so wiping out the camshaft. Normally this was due to either using crap/unsuitable oil or lack of oil changes. But the Ingenium should not have suffered with this as it appears that it had service history. I am very wary of some of the new cars with ridiculously long service intervals. I have always changed oil & filter at least every year or sooner if high mileage.

[@rob19632]

JLR should fix this, they know there are issues with the ingenium diesels

[@fraser7744]

Any engine which is gunked up like that after only three years and with low mileage has been used mostly for school run duties. With that kind of usage, oil changes have to be much more frequent, especially for a modern diesel. The JLR manual does in fact suggest much shorter service intervals for such adverse circumstances, but main dealers and owners seem to blindly ignore it and seem surprised when the inevitable happens.

[@JustMe-Dude]

They don't actually know. The four cylinder had designed flaws and inferior quality materials used. The six cylinders are re-designed to not have the same problems. Other than the recall on the cam boxes.

[@BoostyGeoff]

​@@fraser7744 They only just started notifying customers of that in the last couple of years, it also wasn't detailed in there handbooks until very recently too as well as on there websites. Most customers with diesel cars that I've ever dealt with had absolutely no idea they should be servicing there diesels much more regularly if there just doing the school run. Its widely not provided info to customers because it results in more profitable jobs for dealers service departments if they don't mention it and the customer brings the car back later. Was done all the time by those above me when I was selling new and used cars.

[@ecossearthur]

I think we have more to this than meets the eye... Many cases when JLR have covered this type of deal... Yeah I actually own a MY21 Defender...

[@davidgourlay2287]

Shut up

[@julianchambers8372]

Hi, LRJ engine should have put in a Perkins in it mate just about run forever if its looked after.

[@TheBlibo]

I wouldn't put a spanner on that jlr unit until you get conformation you can get the parts

[@JustMe-Dude]

The six-cylinder version is supposedly much better without the design flaws of the four-cylinder version. I am very curious and excited to see the internal workings and failures of this engine. Note: there is a recall on some of these engines for the cam boxes not being machine correctly. The one thing that shocked me when you passed the camera over the engine was the fuel injection pump. That looks like a CP4 ! They are notorious for failing in pick-up trucks in the USA. Dirty fuel or a little bit of water and it wipes out the injectors, the rail, both pumps, the lines and the fuel tank with metal debris. Lots of investigations and lawsuits on this pump design. Engineering reports from both independents and JLR, both state that 20,000 mile oil changes are not possible. It is strictly a marketing ploy. 7500 to 10k miles is the MAX! They get around this by putting in a statement about driving conditions changing oil intervals. JLR's position on this is "we are broke" so blame it on the owner. You are in for a bit of a tough time with this engine because nothing is indexed. Everything is timed with special tools. And I mean everything!

[@rvarsigfusson6163]

Really GOOD info her...... Thanks..... Really like it and eager for more...... What is the model-code for this engine or the family name..... When came it first time..... Where can I get some much more info on this engine..... Never heard of it before

[@andyday4535]

Problem in the motoring world in terms of warranty may be the sale of goods act. Must last a reasonable length of time etc. And the retailer is responsible. Take the Boogers to court!

[@daledavies2334]

Warranty pays a lesser time than retail. The factory determines time by averaging 10 or 20 technicians time to perform a job on a new vehicle. The techs get to do this job like 10 times. A bit of an advantage. Also any parts required get billed back to the factory at say cost + 10% instead of retail. Dealers will say they can not find a problem until the vehicle is out of warranty, because they can bill for much more.

[@stevenfarrall3942]

Re JLR Ingeniums in one sense I do feel for JLR - a little bit. They had just got back to making their own engines when the government says it is going to ban the sale of ICE powered vehicles in 2030. Given that, how much effort would you put into development as problems identified themselves? (NB - to be open I drive a Disco Sport with an Ingenium diesel...79000 miles....). Note, I am not excusing JLR at all.

[@BoostyGeoff]

I don't feel sorry for them what so ever. They designed and assembled these vehicles in an utterly appalling and rushed manor and evidently are designed by people whom aren't fit for there jobs. If there not having electrical problems there having driveline problems and if there not having driveline problems there rotting somewhere or have security issues...

[@stevenfarrall3942]

@@BoostyGeoff What actual evidence do you have for those assertions? Anecdotal 'evidence' is not 'evidence'. And if true they are not exclusive to JLR. Look at the Ford Ecoboost engines for example. Or the JLR/Peugeot/Ford V6 diesel crankshaft issue - which is a Ford design. You have to have a sense of proportion. And anyway my point stands (as it does for other manufacturers) that government coercion and eye watering financial sanctions have cost the industry billions upon billions that could have been better used redesigning components that only time could reveal were less than ideal. Or finding better ways to reduce emissions, maybe by investing in synthetic fuels.

[@donaldhalls2189]

Warranty is a legal way of saying it's going to fail 😂 but you do get some that don't service their vehicles regularly, then complain, thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones

[@stevenfarrall3942]

I have just had one of those style head gaskets fail on a X Flow in exactly the same way. Water was getting up under the gasket into the pushrod holes. It seems as those the fire rings do not permit the head to crush down on the gasket.

[@Goldie644]

Moral of the story - never buy a Land Rover product

[@DebraLeighfield]

I’ve learnt this the hard way. Paid £35,000 for my new E-Pace i3.5 years later 37,000 miles and it’s gone bang! JLR are the worst 🤬

[@johnwilliamson467]

K and N make some rather proper filters for those NA pipes . They work well for dirt track and rally use as well.

[@jackrussel853]

As others have said many manufacturers these days are stating oil and filter services north of 20k miles, i was watching an O'Rileys Autos video a while back and he said the same, his van is meant to be similar but he changes oil and filter every 6k and has never had any problems.

[@rob19632]

Diesel engine should do 250,000 miles

[@nigeleveratt2626]

only without dpf and adblue crap in other words an old school motor

[@MrSnookerballs]

@@nigeleveratt2626 Don't agree. If they are serviced more frequently then not a problem.

[@charliejackman2953]

@@nigeleveratt2626 What's wrong with adblue?

[@JustMe-Dude]

@@charliejackman2953 nothing wrong with add blue. The issue is the overall design forced by euro 6 specifications. Diesel engines are no longer capable or designed for short distance driving. Everything added to a basic diesel engine is a trade off somewhere else.

[@BoostyGeoff]

​@@charliejackman2953the adblu systems alway die and fail resulting 9/10 times in much more expensive bills to repair said system than there even worth in the first place for the benefit they provide.

[@AM-6-u7o]

In Australia the manufacture would most likely need to repair or replace the motor under our consumer law, as long as it was maintained correctly, in this case I would think that JLR would have to share the cost. We are able to have a book service done anywhere here and the warranty is still valid, is that the same in the UK? The law states that if it doesn't meet the following a court will decide what action is required by the manufacture if the Dealer doesn't respond with a reasonable solution first. " How long a reasonable consumer would expect a particular good to last depends on a number of factors including: • The nature of the good, which can include:2 ‒ The materials used or composition of the components ‒ Whether the good is a new good, a factory second or sold second‑hand by a business. • The price of the good3 • Statements made about the good, either on the packaging or by the supplier or manufacturer4 • Any other relevant circumstances.5"

[@StephenKirker]

"One of them!" Great timing... Oil change is everything.

[@TermoneenyCC]

The sump jacket is to help reduce oil emulsification, cold air on the outside causes condensation on the inside, and great work lads.

[@goffthomas2554]

This was apparent 40+ years ago with oil emulsion, crankcase breathers blocking. Short trips low oil temperature etc

[@casperme6552]

The DPF pressure switch packed up on my Transit, it was out of its 100,000 mile warranty, but less than three years old. Ford paid for about 80% of the cost, which was around 800 quid iirc. I thought that was a nice surprise.

[@TonyRule]

I'm surprised ol' Blighty doesn't have some proper consumer protection laws. Here, in the southern colonies of Sheepshagistan and Convict West Island, we have rights in the form of durability guarantees based on what a reasonable person would expect, that can't be contracted out of. The manufacturer's explicit warranty is of little concern to us.

[@JamesAnderson-kd4to]

LR have a service schedule for these six cylinder ingeniums of 21000 miles or two years, so no surprise that the engine is full of crud. I have one, so have a special interest in how it all turns out. The six cylinder seems to have much less issues than the four,, but as they're only on the market for three years or so, maybe that because all the blow ups so far have been quietly dealt with by the dealers?

[@fraser7744]

All the manufacturers try to sell extended service intervals as a marketing point. For modern diesels, if you want to avoid a gunked up engine like the one above, go for no more than 10,000 intervals for oil changes, and 5,000 or less if you are doing mostly short runs. The recommended 21,000 intervals may just be OK if usage is mostly motorway miles, but it won't do you any favours if you want your engine to last well outside of warranty.

[@JustMe-Dude]

Quite a bit of redesign from the four-cylinder. Better engine overall but did have a recall on the cam box. I am more worried about the CP4 fuel pump that has a tendency to catastrophically fail at a cost of around $15,000 for the full repair.

[@JamesAnderson-kd4to]

​@@JustMe-Dude The supposed missing service on this car seems very odd. The car has to be three years old to be out of warranty, so should have been serviced at least when it was two years old, given it says it was very low milage somewhere, so the second service wouldn't have been necessary until closer to four years old. If the dealer is claiming there was a late service, that had to be the first service and it was very late if it still hadn't been done when the engine blew up. Something very odd here?

[@clivewilliams3661]

There is absolutely nothing stopping you having the vehicle serviced annually if you have any doubts. The motoring public should take more responsibility for the servicing of their vehicles and not rely on the manufacturers recommendations.

[@JustMe-Dude]

@@JamesAnderson-kd4to missing? First oil change at 21,000, Second oil change not due until 42,000 miles or four years. So under warranty of three years this car only gets one oil change. Oh and a motor rebuild at three years +2 weeks. I think maybe the bigger question is did it even have the first service at all and was still waiting to get scheduled three months later at 30,000 miles on the clock?

[@andrewlittle7668]

Sump covers are on vw engines as well From andy in south devon

[@JustMe-Dude]

One of the biggest complaints about diesel engines was always the noise. Customers were afraid to buy them because they just didn't sound right compared to gas engines.

[@brianwithers4438]

hi Lee, its just drive them and never check them nowadays, people new more about cars 40 year ago checking fluid was a must do job every week.

[@EverydayLife621]

whilst you might be smug with that Ingenium JLR engine - just wait until that Orange Ford Transit fails with the wetbelt challenge in the next few years 🤣🤣 - hopefully its on lease.

[@Gassit]

Geoff Buys Cars was saying that they keep lowering the replacement intervals on the belts due to problems with them, last he heard they where down to every 50k from every 150k. Doesn't sound good to me.

[@EverydayLife621]

@@Gassit I agree 👍 👍, Ive just gone onto an EV - not a singe challenge in the past 2 years (aside from the rear tyres🤣🤣)

[@charliejackman2953]

I think Lee covered this - they've halved the service times or something like that.

[@jamiebourne8047]

I've heard that shortly after a wet belt change, the pulley bolt is shearing off due to a change in tension. Now advising that bolt is changed with a belt replacement.

[@nigelk780]

There are so many reasons JLR is on its way out and reasons not to buy and it's not just the vehicles. Try and get spare parts for a Jaguar or even a service. I just sold my F Pace SVR and F type V6S as it's pretty clear where things are heading. Had to service mine annually even though they had covered less than 3k miles give me a break.

[@-EC002-]

I would say that the bottom end of that engine was within warranty when the problem started! It didn't get like that in two weeks.

[@user-gl5kj1fm5x]

mls gaskets have been available for the a series for a while and there are a few different thickness to resolve compression issues

[@dodgydruid]

They stick the sound deadening shield on because its cheaper than a metal skid plate to protect the sump. I always say to folks listening to an engine they need to make a mechanic's stethoscope which is a longish screwdriver you touch the metal end to the engine block or head, you cup your hand over the handle end to your ear and it will pick up rod knock, blown bearings, misfires, rumbly rattly chains. I have an old cabinet makers wooden handled one which works brilliantly, I listened to upstairs neighbours new Corsa for him as it was lacking power, listened to the block and I could hear the tappets so moved to the head and said yep, something not right with the headgear so he wanders back to Vauxhall who discovered a problem with timing control and they replaced everything timing on his warranty. This is a brand new motor and it came out like a bag of shite... it came back and I listened again and quiet as a mouse.

[@derekhobbs1102]

We used to have a piece of vacuum hose with nail in end of it.

[@7443jan]

It's 3 years old, but how many oil changes has it had? It would be interesting to see you take it apart.

[@JustMe-Dude]

30,000 miles would be just one oil change. 40,000 the next one. Not sure if the UK Version is every year or two years?

[@7443jan]

@@JustMe-Dude Thats the problem,. I do mine every 5000-6000 miles (10.000 km).

[@JustMe-Dude]

@@7443jan I drive longer distances and the oil samples show that I can go 7500 miles. I had short intervals like you suggested and my timing chain still failed at 20,000. i'm very interested to see what type of timing chain they're using in the six cylinder version.

[@dgk42]

I know an outfit that will fix things outside the warranty. They don't publicise that in order to avoid abuse of the generosity. They work to be realistic and friendly towards customers. Oh, and they are still very profitable :)

[@brianbaker-xm1fk]

That engine like most Land Rover modern ones seem to be rubbish,for what they cost new.

[@isaachunt5799]

anyone buying any range rover or land rover needs to see a shrink.

[@davyboy888]

JLR have busted the myth that you can't polish a turd - they package and polish it in such a way that people can't get enough of it !

[@paulnolan1352]

Cheers Lee, well, that customer has got more money than sense, plenty of controversy around JLR Engines, leave well alone.

[@davidcoyle7125]

Longer service intervals, low tension piston rings , egr and higher power are just some of the reasons for sludge build, only my view based on my experience but oil is cheap compared to cost of an engine.More oil and filter changes equates to less sludge and carbon build up. fuel additives are worth considering but oil additives are best avoided.

[@user-mp3nz7vs8j]

It's all down to oil changes ; manufacturers know you can't do 20000+km between oil and filter changes but want to show their cost of ownership as low.... that and the viscosity of oils is getting thinner and thinner even in sunny Aus.... it really is no wonder that we are seeing failures/unit increasing over the last 10 years.

[@AndrewNeilBaird]

When i ran a small workshop and used VW o-e spec Quantum engine oil by the 205 litre drum the supplier, (who shall remain nameless as they still trade) offered refilled quantum drums but containing a "similar" oil that was under half the price !!! The sales person said "aye ye can still punt it tae folk as quantum coz its comin oot the right lookin drum" . (thats how a Glaswegian accent sounds) I think something similar is going on with these landrovers.

[@iainball2023]

I had a BGA 1275 head gasket, that when torqued, didnt crush the fire rings and left the coolant passagesopen to the outside world. That had the funky silicone coating on it, and actually looked decent. A bit too decent, the fire rings were almost solid. A payen gasket cured it. 😂

[@Chris12211]

That really is bad from a vehicle that’s cost £90k. Be interested to see the tear down of the 6 cylinder to see what you find.

[@madeljacky]

The 21,000 miles that JLR recommend for servicing is absolute madness for an oil change, Years ago it was 5000 or so miles on an oil change, yes oil has got better and yes engines have got better but at the end of the day oil is oil and engines still have cranks, rods, pistons etc like they had years ago so what changed to say you can now go 21,000 miles between servicing ? Long gone are the days of the Carina diesel engine with 350,000 miles on it and it still running like a swiss watch.

[@JustMe-Dude]

20,000 miles is all about marketing in the arms race to sell you a car. The fine print if you read JLR's info says this is under ideal conditions and that oil changes may be needed prior to this. In some markets they make you sign a document saying that you know that you will have engine problems with diesel engines if you don't drive long enough distances. With euro 6 designs, it is not possible to drive around town as your primary mode.

[@Judith-c6r]

Nowadays all about economy, power, not about reliability but regular oil and filter changes are a must, and not just short runs.

[@brandywell44]

...and the correct grade and type of oil as specified in the owners manual. I would not go beyond 5,000 miles or one year on the same oil and filter either, despite what the manufacturer may say.

[@rvarsigfusson6163]

A lot of people buying car today do on a lease contract and they do follow the recommendations about service and just that. The car will be used in some time and then changed to another one after a short time ca. 3 years max. Many of them will have eazy car system and they can figure it out that the fail will not be theirs if they do so....... Or as a lady I knew she did no ever heard of oil change and the car did die because of that and I think it was before 40K Km.......

[@chascarpenter5006]

Flash sighting....John,,,,13:20, close the office door!!,

[@charliejackman2953]

Always good to see a surprise appearance of Johhhhn

[@StephenBrown-ti6mm]

Guys that JLR straight six is torture just my opinion call the customer tell him its not one for you they were not designed to be remanufactured.

[@JustMe-Dude]

Actually they are designed to be remanufactured at a JLR computerized facility. Not as easily done in a machine shop. The cylinders aren't supposed to be replaced with liners. They are supposed to be spray welded. That is a completely different world with complex different kinds of parts.

[@clivewilliams3661]

........and tell him to retrofit a BMW or Merc diesel! Its out of warranty so should make no difference. It might however, make the vehicle more saleable!?

[@JustMe-Dude]

@@clivewilliams3661 won't pass MOT. Can't sell it either.🙄

[@garethjones8047]

You do seem to shut the young lad down a lot. You cut in and talk over him.

[@adee-H1066]

I've noticed that a lot over the last few weeks.

[@JustMe-Dude]

Are you suggesting a character flaw?

[@johnhiggins6984]

If the sump is caked up then serices have been missed, no manufacturers would warranty an engine that has not been serviced.

[@tkpeters]

Most decent brands will cover a major failure within a few months of warranty expiry, as long as its been serviced correctly

[@jomukuk1950]

If those engines are packing-up after 30K then it isn't a design problem, it's a designed-to-fail event!

[@ambydaly5713]

Motor point sell cars on Sundays, if it went to court they would be liable as it suits them to sell on Sundays but not service,why?

[@jamest5149]

Missing service dates/mileages is on the owner, you are not held to have the service done by the main agent, as long as the garage is reputable and uses OEM parts and correct spec oil it would still be in warranty…. they should have taken it elsewhere when the dealer could not take it in. The service schedules are stretched to the max to pander to lease companies costs and government environmental regulations, but there is nothing that says you cannot service early other than the small cost to your self…. Voiding the warranty and having a engine rebuild far out weighs that cost, not only with the bill you get to repair but now the vehicle has lost the whole warranty forever, the repair doesn’t reset the warranty so the car is worth a lot less to sell on. Since the inception of these ridiculously long service schedules, and as time and mileage pass these issues will become more prevalent and in a few years everyone will know/accept it was a poor decision to run these schedules from a longevity/engineering standpoint and will massively devalue cars out of warranty/lease. Most manufacturers have two scheduled for servicing you can choose, one is for the less companies normally called extended service or similar, using analytics of driving style like length of journeys, speed etc, the other is for owners (out right or on finance but not lease) and is a normal mileage/date driven schedule annual servicing. The extended service schedule uses a different oil with a different additive package to try and make the oil last a bit longer but more telling is a different oil filter with a different filter medium that actually filters less (lets more particles through) so it doesn’t get blocked in the extended time.

[@johnmoruzzi7236]

With the Ingenium 4 and the solenoid and wiring to the oil pump, you'll find that to get Euro 6 certification modern diesels (including the JLR V6) have a 2-speed oil pump so that when it's idling it drops the flow (and hence power consumption and emissions)... really sad that these critical modern British engines seem to be so flawed and flaky, hamstrung with all these requirements that hammer reliability. Disgraceful attitude by JLR regarding repairs servicing and warranties... I wouldn't be surprised if the low oil flow at idle / low revs contributes to the sludging and oil deterioration...

[@JustMe-Dude]

The solenoid is actually a pressure/flow regulator, Computer controlled. The cams and piston coolers are also solenoid controlled. So partially this is a fuel consumption design, but it is more about supplying oil at a constant pressure when changes in flow occur. When monitoring my ingenuim oil pressure there is no difference between driving or idling. The fact that there's no difference is the computer regulating pressure and flow

[@grapsorz]

i rely want to know what oil service they want on that and what it have had or not have. a lot of the modern engines need 2-3 times the oil service to last. it normally "just about2 last over warranty on the factory interval.

[@ianmurray3820]

Emission regulations have killed diesels, dpf filters choking the motor, egr valves sending exhaust gasses back through the inltake, so that abrasive particulates can pepper everything , 200 bar fuel pumps that seize if they get a whiff of contaminated fuel! And to top it off why would anyone drive one of these pumps from the same belt /chain as the valve gear.!!! Chain driven overhead cams..?!! diesels are very low reving.! And very torquey, and so in the grand scheme of things what is wrong with pushrods.? A bit more mass and friction but seemingly a lot more reliable…😱

[@itsverygreen532]

I'll bet that engine was short of a few oil changes, you don't get that sort of treacle with good clean oil.

[@johnp9235]

those 2.0 ingenium engines are disgraceful.

[@richardhartley1705]

Land Rover should honour the warranty not customers fault they couldn’t get round to servicing the vehicle, if that is true of course 👍

[@johngray722]

i think they've just stamped the book i bought a car had 20 000 miles on it had full service history and just been serviced took to my local garage to get good oil in it and wen i picked it up they said oil never been change went back complained and they offered me a free service guess wot i said

[@Gman-nb9ge]

Who would you guys say makes the best engine? Also, do you do any bigger stuff, Caterpillar etc

[@jabberwockytdi8901]

No way that Ingenium is only 1 service overdue.......

[@Freecomments4u]

Diesel engine blew? awh shouldnt be that terrible.

[@MegaReddevil71]

Take no notice of manufacturers service intervals too long 30k and never had a oil change probably oil dilution as well i never go more than 10k without a oil change or 12mths oils cheaper than a engine not surprised there's a queue to get it booked into a dealer probably overwhelmed with work on these nails their waranty claims must through the roof

[@tonyshaw4570]

should have changed the engine oil .

[@minigpracing3068]

So looking at the build up in that motor, I'm surprised you are even going to touch it. I say that because you know this guy is never going to change the oil, it will get all gunk fillec again, and then he'll take you to court when you don't rebuild it under warranty! You know I'm right. That engine was neglected, either the service station lied and didnt really change the oil, or the owner never had the oil changed because they didnt want to pay for it. I think this is one of those jobs where you say you can't get parts, or you triple the price knowing that you'll be seeing this one again!

[@confederatenationalist7283]

6 cylinder ingeniums ?.

[@keithr3682]

Hi chaps what building work r u have in done 😂

[@tx41979]

My lti tx1 done 421k but had to get rid of it due to London emissions scam and sold it still was running at 500+ k .

[@TheBlibo]

Anyone who buys a jlr vehicle is just asking for a worl of pain. How can dealerships have outlandish times on getting services done and on waiting for parts. It's no wander there were vehicles being stolen for export because there is a very poor parts supply and all this from what was once a premium company.

[@scottmiller3025]

Hey you finally showed back up in my vids…

[@charlesgraham9954]

BMW just as bad with warranty stuff, i will not buy a car made in the last 20 years. their all crap

[@martinfortune9988]

If you want a 3 tonne landrover to do 0-60 in 7 secs and still be fuel efficient your going to have stupidly stressed engines

[@williambaird8807]

I feel for anyone that’s being conned by Landrover there not fit for purpose pure junk . There living on the brand name of old Landrovers . There destroying it . Nothing works on them. That’s the 3.0 in. The new pretender the timing chain not fit the rings get blow by at stupid miles , not strong enough spring tension . Oil’s dilution blown turbo seals . Big end oil dilution again . I forgot all the problems oh steering rack failures stupid price 2k . Just pure junk . They look good but that’s the end of it window dressing . Landrover should be sued for all the heartache and misery they caused

[@stevem7868-y4l]

Have i missed the second part of John grinding a crankshaft ?

[@colinscutt5104]

nope😞

[@seanatherton4310]

Like thay say in Japan after 40k its scrap

[@dalejones3862]

Jlr are not the car to buy now service times to long used to change my oil every 6000 miles

[@tractorhead971]

My 300tdi could benefit from a nice absorbent sump nappy like that.

[@andyclears8593]

The warranty isn't down to the dealer is down to the JLR as they are the ones who pay for it. Customer should have call JLR customer relations and my of got some of it paid for.

[@JustMe-Dude]

He did..... they said no..... When it's this type of warranty situation JLR corporate is the one who decides if it's warranty or not.

[@stuartlew1229]

how are you getting on with the eco boom engines

I woukd never buy a new car. Waste of time. 🇬🇧

[@malcolmwhiting3078]

Please stop waffling.

[@BoostyGeoff]

The only landy id ever buy is a classic now, anything modern thats non svr is an utterly worthless, poorly constructed sack of absolute dogwater. There older service schedule was detailed as such to generate more business for there service departments as is well documented by ex staff of jlr. I worked at a dealer next door to theres and there staff would brag about this sort of scumbaggery all the time

[@dallas6847]

👍👍👍👍😎😎😎😎😎

[@enesfazlic6017]

Well if it was seriviced regurarly that sludge shouldnt be in there should it now. NO DONT FOLLOW MODERN MANUFACTURERS SERVICE SCHEDULE. What ever they say HALF THAT AND YOUR ENGINE WILL LIVE ON after the warranty. Or be like this guy and dont service you vehicle and you will get sludge and ENGINE BAD VERY BAD LIKE MATT ARMSTRONG SAYS 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@halfinchholes88]

A sump cozy?

[@lesprice255]

why the hell are people taking the day off for a birthday no wonder this country is screwed