90,525,801,730 Cannon Balls - Numberphile

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@iabervon
@iabervon 5 жыл бұрын
What's the smallest positive integer that has never been Matt Parker's favorite number?
@numberphile
@numberphile 5 жыл бұрын
Whatever it is will be his new favourite!
@tracyh5751
@tracyh5751 5 жыл бұрын
No numbers are boring.
@ssdd9911
@ssdd9911 5 жыл бұрын
1
@dlevi67
@dlevi67 5 жыл бұрын
We can put a higher bound on that at 2, since Matt calls it "a sub-prime", which ain't nice. That doesn't leave many contenders.
@timclark2880
@timclark2880 5 жыл бұрын
90,525,801,731
@xaiano794
@xaiano794 5 жыл бұрын
"I don't think anyone else has ever bothered doing this" - Mathematicians in a nutshell.
@JosephDalrymple
@JosephDalrymple 4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha pretty much. The vast majority of a lot of these videos result in two expressions from me, almost simultaneously: (1) that's absolutely fascinating, and (2) why on earth would anybody even think of doing that? [now how, mind you: why] 😂 I ask myself the same questions every time I conclude my work and discover the answer to one of my engineering problems. It starts out the same and ends with the same questions.
@Triantalex
@Triantalex 10 ай бұрын
false..
@davidross7467
@davidross7467 5 жыл бұрын
Eagerly awaiting the follow up video in which Professor Eisenbud constructs the 31,265-gon with just ruler and compass
@numberphile
@numberphile 5 жыл бұрын
Good Numberphile knowledge.
@AlisterCountel
@AlisterCountel 5 жыл бұрын
David Ross Sadly, the 31,265-gon is not constructible. One may draw one with a relatively high degree of accuracy though, using just a compass, no straightedge needed!
@baijokull
@baijokull 5 жыл бұрын
@@AlisterCountel Sure it is, just bring me 90,525,801,730 cannonballs!
@bledathehun328
@bledathehun328 5 жыл бұрын
And Carlo Séguin to 3D print it.
@abd.137
@abd.137 5 жыл бұрын
@@AlisterCountel I see what you did there.
@jekyllgaming99
@jekyllgaming99 5 жыл бұрын
The 31,265-sided polygon, also known as the Triamyriahenachiliadihectahexacontakaipentagon.
@Sylocat
@Sylocat 5 жыл бұрын
Or the Parker Circle.
@hamiltonianpathondodecahed5236
@hamiltonianpathondodecahed5236 4 жыл бұрын
~Felt like the name of some chemical compound~ Sorry
@wizard-pirate
@wizard-pirate Жыл бұрын
Thanks for answering the dangling question of "What is the actual name for the 31265-agon?" I like Parker's Polygon, if not just because it's easier to remember.
@이규헌-s3c
@이규헌-s3c Жыл бұрын
Googolplex, also known as 'Ten Triacontrectricentitriadecatriavecitriacentitriadecitriaxonitriacentitriadecitriayoctatriacentitriadecatriazeptitriacentitriadecatriaattitriacentitriadecatriafemtitriacentitriadecatriapicitriacentitriadecatriananitriacentitriadecatriamicritriacentitriadecitremillinilliduotrigintatrecentillion'. (Note: this might be inaccurate, because it also feels like 9.1×10^(10^99).)
@Proto_Divi
@Proto_Divi 10 ай бұрын
medial omnicircumfacetopental triakishecatonicosachoron mommy
@nataliekanakova9496
@nataliekanakova9496 5 жыл бұрын
You can see it in his eyes how excited he is about his discovery :)
@ericstoverink6579
@ericstoverink6579 5 жыл бұрын
Because he thinks this will make us forget about Parker squares.
@richardtickler8555
@richardtickler8555 5 жыл бұрын
@@ericstoverink6579 maybe it turns out to be a parker pyramid
@Nemelis0
@Nemelis0 5 жыл бұрын
@@ericstoverink6579 No Parker Squares are unforgettable, but this will tell people that there are 31263 more sides to Parker than just the 2 in a square
@macswanton9622
@macswanton9622 5 жыл бұрын
@The Idiot Reviewer If it was a hat it would barely fit
@janschmeink9296
@janschmeink9296 5 жыл бұрын
it's so cute right
@jonthecomposer
@jonthecomposer 5 жыл бұрын
The Parker Conjecture: The amount of non-useful numerical discoveries will always be greater than the rate at which Matt Parker can discover them.
@peppybocan
@peppybocan 5 жыл бұрын
well, non-useful. What he does is - searching for solutions of non-linear diophantine equations, a tricky task to do!
@Tehcarp
@Tehcarp 5 жыл бұрын
a modern day Tristram shandy
@Veggie13
@Veggie13 5 жыл бұрын
You can't compare a number to a rate, silly.
@jonthecomposer
@jonthecomposer 5 жыл бұрын
@@Veggie13 I do what I want! You don't know me! Wait, wut? lol It's all in fun, man. I say it because it's ridiculous. Nothing more, nothing less. :)
@randomdude9135
@randomdude9135 5 жыл бұрын
@@Veggie13 I was about to type just that.😂.
@johnchessant3012
@johnchessant3012 5 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: A hyper-pyramid with a cube "base" can always be arranged into a square, no matter the height of the hyper-pyramid. This follows from the amazing fact that 1^3 + 2^3 + ... + n^3 = (1 + 2 + ... + n)^2.
@NAMEhzj
@NAMEhzj 5 жыл бұрын
Thats very cool!
@TheRealFlenuan
@TheRealFlenuan 5 жыл бұрын
But then the question is: Which can be arranged into a cube?
@alexanderehrentraut4493
@alexanderehrentraut4493 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheRealFlenuan I don't think there are any.
@witherfly5811
@witherfly5811 5 жыл бұрын
Just as any 3-D Pyramide can be arranged into a Line. So nothing special.
@pleaseenteraname4824
@pleaseenteraname4824 5 жыл бұрын
Withi Nah, this is cooler
@codesimpson6010
@codesimpson6010 5 жыл бұрын
"And so that's when 4,900 stopped being my favorite number, and I upgraded to just over Ninety billion!" - Matt Parker, 2019
@j.hawkins8779
@j.hawkins8779 4 жыл бұрын
LOL😂
@ramonalainmirandaquintana6515
@ramonalainmirandaquintana6515 5 жыл бұрын
"Is not useful, but I love it". Denotes both great appreciation for mathematical beauty, and terrible parenting skills :)
@Erichwanh
@Erichwanh 5 жыл бұрын
Please pin this comment, hahaha
@maxnullifidian
@maxnullifidian 5 жыл бұрын
It may not be useful yet, but who knows what the future holds? It may someday be found to answer some critical question that hasn't even been asked yet!
@tqnohe
@tqnohe 5 жыл бұрын
Describes my son Michael.
@beauwilliamson3628
@beauwilliamson3628 5 жыл бұрын
@@maxnullifidian Like: What's the coolest way to stack the 90,525,801,730 plasma torpedos I've stockpiled for my invasion of the Galactic Empire?
@maxnullifidian
@maxnullifidian 5 жыл бұрын
@@beauwilliamson3628 See, it's useful already! LOL
@bookslug2919
@bookslug2919 5 жыл бұрын
I thought this was going to be good but it's just a load of balls
@zippy-zappa-zeppo-zorba-etc
@zippy-zappa-zeppo-zorba-etc 5 жыл бұрын
*Clap* *Clap* *Clap*
@Danilego
@Danilego 5 жыл бұрын
@@zippy-zappa-zeppo-zorba-etc *MEME* *REVIEW*
@Kris.G
@Kris.G 5 жыл бұрын
ba dum tssss
@fafnir242
@fafnir242 5 жыл бұрын
I applaud you.
@vipcesh
@vipcesh 4 жыл бұрын
Hey! I thought he was really ballsy!
@KurtRichterCISSP
@KurtRichterCISSP 5 жыл бұрын
The 31,265-gon is one of my favorite shapes.
@eternalreign2313
@eternalreign2313 5 жыл бұрын
It looks more and more like a circle the further you move away from it. In fact, even if you're right next to it you probably can't tell where one of the corners is.
@KurtRichterCISSP
@KurtRichterCISSP 5 жыл бұрын
@@eternalreign2313 depends how big it is relative to me...
@therabbits69
@therabbits69 4 жыл бұрын
@@KurtRichterCISSP People should figure out how big it actually would be IRL using the average canon ball.
@markreynolds1436
@markreynolds1436 4 жыл бұрын
@@eternalreign2313 I don't believe it's round. It's probably a sphere or something mad.
@bertblankenstein3738
@bertblankenstein3738 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe a 31415-agon could be used in calculating pi. Can a 31265-agon be constructed?
@unclvinny
@unclvinny 5 жыл бұрын
Brady, your animator is so good! They were really working overtime on this one.
@spaceatlantis3504
@spaceatlantis3504 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, his name is Pete McPartlan
@iggusify
@iggusify 5 жыл бұрын
"Matt, seriously, I'm proud of you!" -- That's beautiful...
@Mr.E-Bachs
@Mr.E-Bachs 4 жыл бұрын
I love Matt’s self-aware pause, “with enough... spare time and a laptop.” And that is why we keep coming back for more.
@asailijhijr
@asailijhijr 5 жыл бұрын
Something that nobody was looking for but that is genuinely impressive, a Parker Pyramid.
@sophiegrey9576
@sophiegrey9576 5 жыл бұрын
Or a Parker Cone.
@spinter1310
@spinter1310 5 жыл бұрын
“That’s not useful”, said every mathematician about his discoveries a few decades or centuries before it is integral to revolutionary technology.
@Kylora2112
@Kylora2112 5 жыл бұрын
Now: Matt: "I found this useless object and it's fun and cute!" 3019: "Matt's discovery lead to the Unified Theory Equation and is the key to intergalactic and interdimensional travel. Human civilization is now based on 90525801730."
@KuraIthys
@KuraIthys 5 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, think of all the people that aren't mathematicians that randomly mess around with numbers sometimes (like me say) come up with something weird, look at it, have no idea what it is, and then forget they ever did it... Hopefully I've never 'discovered' anything new or useful, because if I have I've since forgotten again. XD For that matter, I ran into a youtuber recently that claimed to have 'invented' something that I had made a version of more than 15 years ago. They presented it as some great amazing breakthrough, and 90% of their audience agreed, meanwhile I did it randomly, looked at it and decided 'this is so obvious I'm sure there's been thousands of people before me that have come up with the same thing.', and then just ignored it and more or less forgot I did it until I saw someone else do it. So... Did I invent something unique and not realise the significance? Or was my assessment that it was a super-obvious solution that's probably been done a million times before correct and this guy on youtube is just full of himself? Either way, you never know. What seems trivial to you may turn out to have been an amazing discovery and/or invention, which is lost forever because not even it's creator remembers it, simply because it didn't seem particularly important or impressive to them. XD
@wolfson109
@wolfson109 5 жыл бұрын
@@KuraIthys now I really want to know what it was.
@Xeridanus
@Xeridanus 5 жыл бұрын
@@wolfson109 Same
@petros_adamopoulos
@petros_adamopoulos 5 жыл бұрын
Not this one, trust me.
@cooloutcoexist
@cooloutcoexist 5 жыл бұрын
Takes a lot of balls to search for this number.
@clayz1
@clayz1 5 жыл бұрын
Thats probably enough cannonballs to do the job. He’s a agon-er.
@sb-jo2ch
@sb-jo2ch 5 жыл бұрын
Natural number: exists Matt Parker: It's free real estate
@HonkeyKongLive
@HonkeyKongLive 5 жыл бұрын
My favorite part of this video is actually that I had to do some thinking about how "pentagonal" and "hexagonal" numbers are formed because at first the shapes seem wrong since their visual isn't like "pizza slices" that meet in the shape's center but rather wedges that meet at the top. Had to look that up and saw that any -gon numbers are constructed by making a "1x1" version of the shape and then building new layers around it anchored at one corner, leading to this rather unusual appearance.
@SpySappingMyKeyboard
@SpySappingMyKeyboard 5 жыл бұрын
There's one! Well, I didn't look any further, but there's only one! Parker proof?
@pleaseenteraname4824
@pleaseenteraname4824 5 жыл бұрын
Proof by exhaustion, i.e. I was too tired to look any further
@maximiliand2180
@maximiliand2180 5 жыл бұрын
Person: "Hey Matt what is your favorite number?" Matt: "Yes"
@unitrader403
@unitrader403 5 жыл бұрын
Computer: Error, encountered -NaN, expected Number
@imveryangryitsnotbutter
@imveryangryitsnotbutter 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, what is a very cool number.
@BeeCeeJay
@BeeCeeJay 4 жыл бұрын
I think this is my favorite video on your channel. Matt’s curiosity, skill, and sheer joy are all turned up to 11. Perfection.
@michaelzimmermann3388
@michaelzimmermann3388 5 жыл бұрын
Usefulness lies in the eyes of the spectator. I love your discovery, it is nothing short of amazing
@pipolwes000
@pipolwes000 5 жыл бұрын
"4,900 is the only number which can be both a square and a square base pyramid" Counterexample: 1.
@dcs_0
@dcs_0 5 жыл бұрын
Tut tut. You forgot 0
@SpaceboyBilliards
@SpaceboyBilliards 5 жыл бұрын
How is a single sphere a square
@cemerson
@cemerson 5 жыл бұрын
@@SpaceboyBilliards How are any number of spheres a square?
@Tfin
@Tfin 5 жыл бұрын
A sphere is a square because you're only considering the packing of that number of spheres. You have a square tray with sides of length x(n). How many spheres of diameter n fit on it? But 1 is trivial, and works for all numbers.
@SpaceboyBilliards
@SpaceboyBilliards 5 жыл бұрын
@@cemerson 4 spheres is a square because the outline of them is a square shape. 1 sphere has the outline of a circle.
@raghavproach2444
@raghavproach2444 3 жыл бұрын
I wish I had such a maths teacher, I have fallen in love with maths all over again. Would love to see more such cool stuff from Matt. Also, someone said this isn't a useful number, I think it is - it is fascinating and exciting, such that it pulls you towards math.
@adelarscheidt
@adelarscheidt 5 жыл бұрын
How exactly do you arrange spheres on a pentagon surface?... I mean what rule(s) do you follow?
@gadrill4285
@gadrill4285 5 жыл бұрын
1 sphere = 1 unit
@Theraot
@Theraot 5 жыл бұрын
You melt them and pour them in a pentagon mold
@theznayx808
@theznayx808 5 жыл бұрын
I think the idea is maximum packing. If you check that scene where they showed all the layers of the pentagonal one, you see there's big blank spaces inside.
@debblez
@debblez 5 жыл бұрын
For height 1: Pentagon size 1 (just one sphere) For height 2: Pentagon sizes 1+2(total 6 spheres) For height 3: Pentagon sizes 1+2+3 (total 16 spheres) And so on
@ig2d
@ig2d 5 жыл бұрын
I am wondering the same thing. Can this problem be clearly defined...
@NUGGet-3562
@NUGGet-3562 5 жыл бұрын
I love how proud he is of his numbers. "And I found it first!"
@betabenja
@betabenja 5 жыл бұрын
1919: I thought about it and proved it in concept for infinity cases using a clever logical argument 2019: I brute force found one solution, and I didn't even do the calculations. who knows, eh?
@ElektrykFlaaj
@ElektrykFlaaj 5 жыл бұрын
well, we use bruteforce to calculate something 1919 mathematicians couldnt do analytically
@GeodesicBruh
@GeodesicBruh 5 жыл бұрын
betabenja oof haha
@gajbooks
@gajbooks 5 жыл бұрын
I think it's more of "Is there anything within the realm of sanity that works, and can I find it without huge effort, because it's not exactly a useful answer".
@adamsbja
@adamsbja 5 жыл бұрын
@@ElektrykFlaaj If they'd added a 1920th mathematician I bet they could've figured it out.
@ElektrykFlaaj
@ElektrykFlaaj 5 жыл бұрын
@@adamsbja imagine the possibilities with 1921 mathematicians
@TeodorMusic
@TeodorMusic 5 жыл бұрын
Did I miss something or why do you ignore triangle base pyramid?
@pedrolmlkzk
@pedrolmlkzk 5 жыл бұрын
Tetraedron
@philipyao5989
@philipyao5989 5 жыл бұрын
Not sure with squares but the formula is n(n+1)(n+2)/6
@poofishgaming5622
@poofishgaming5622 5 жыл бұрын
For 3 it’s 10, 120, 1540,
@matthewstuckenbruck5834
@matthewstuckenbruck5834 3 жыл бұрын
He has it in the description
@quarkonium3795
@quarkonium3795 Жыл бұрын
@@poofishgaming5622 and 7140
@timsullivan4566
@timsullivan4566 5 жыл бұрын
That's nice - I've always thought 90,525,801,730 deserved some recognition. His factors must be so proud!
@levengli
@levengli 5 жыл бұрын
Discovery for the sake of discovery. The beauty of pure mathematics. Well done, Matt!
@nathanderhake839
@nathanderhake839 5 жыл бұрын
0:25 WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST COMPLEX NUMBERS???!!
@Ken.-
@Ken.- 5 жыл бұрын
The computer was probably thinking, "I must be doing something really important!" ....And that's why the AI computers will kill all of the humans.
@bookslug2919
@bookslug2919 5 жыл бұрын
Nope, they will just make our lifespans more 'efficient'.
@TheRealFlenuan
@TheRealFlenuan 5 жыл бұрын
Let's hope
@akaelalias1113
@akaelalias1113 5 жыл бұрын
At 0:34 Matt says that his club of favourite numbers is finite, but at 0:27 the graphic shows that all real numbers are a subset of his favourites!
@arkantyne7122
@arkantyne7122 5 жыл бұрын
"What's your favourite number Matt?" "Oh, err, somewhere between, err, 90 billion, or was it 80? Maybe 85..."
@Galileosays
@Galileosays 4 жыл бұрын
For the tetrahedrons, triangle based pyramid, there are 4 cases: side 3, 8, 20, and 34 are equal to triangles with sides of 4, 15, 55 and 119.
@krumuvecis
@krumuvecis 5 жыл бұрын
Hey, what about a triangle? Seems you missed the simplest polygon
@SSGranor
@SSGranor 5 жыл бұрын
10. You can do it with 10.
@krumuvecis
@krumuvecis 5 жыл бұрын
@@SSGranor Ok, that's one solution. Are there any others?
@PhilBagels
@PhilBagels 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Why did he skip over triangles? One of the ways you can actually stack cannonballs, as opposed to octagons and 31,265-gons. 10 is the first and easiest one to find. I suspect there are others, but I don't remember, and I don't have time to look for them now.
@krumuvecis
@krumuvecis 5 жыл бұрын
Apparently there are only 5 solutions: 1; 10; 120; 1540; 7140
@ffggddss
@ffggddss 5 жыл бұрын
@@krumuvecis And don't forget 0. Fred
@to2podemosaprender630
@to2podemosaprender630 5 жыл бұрын
I like this guy... He's always happy to find this numbers, I feel like all these numbers are going to be useful one day... I used to think like that..
@SlyMaelstrom
@SlyMaelstrom 5 жыл бұрын
"So the people whose names you're seeing on screen at the moment... these are all the people that found the number before Matt Parker."
@numberphile
@numberphile 5 жыл бұрын
Ha ha.
@blackraven114
@blackraven114 5 жыл бұрын
There's an interesting infinite family of solutions. For any "k-agon" where k=3a+2 for some integer a, you can construct both a k-agon with side length 3a^3-3a+1 and k-agon based pyramid of base length 3a^2-2. Both will use (3a^3-3a+1)*(9a^2(a^2-1)+2)/2 "cannonballs". The k=5 case gives the trivial solution of a side length of 1.
@alonamaloh
@alonamaloh 5 жыл бұрын
I found this too! (a couple of days after you :) ).
@tetsuoumezawa5833
@tetsuoumezawa5833 5 жыл бұрын
0:37 remember when matt had hair
@andrewkepert923
@andrewkepert923 5 жыл бұрын
h=hair, f=favourite number. d/dt (hf) = 0
@johnchancey3941
@johnchancey3941 5 жыл бұрын
At 6:42, Brady sounds like a proud father whose child did something somewhat strange but surprisingly creative
@julienhau999
@julienhau999 5 жыл бұрын
I cannot imagine how you can stack cannoballs for higher base polygons I thought you could only make triangular base pyramids (tetrahedron) and square base pyramids only PLEASE respond matt
@Ellyerre
@Ellyerre 5 жыл бұрын
They had a note in the video at 3:35 that said that those pyramids wouldn't necessarily stack in the real world.
@kevinslater4126
@kevinslater4126 5 жыл бұрын
Of course you can! With enough time, expendable labor, and glue
@reidtrevar
@reidtrevar 5 жыл бұрын
My list of favorite Numberphile videos is large, but finite. This is my current favorite.
@harrypounds456
@harrypounds456 5 жыл бұрын
i thought this was a genuinely cool discovery, well done!
@guepardiez
@guepardiez 5 жыл бұрын
I don't understand the point of this. Only the outer layer of those polygons is regular. How are the inner layers formed?
@jokusekovaan
@jokusekovaan 5 жыл бұрын
Right, some things weren't explained at all. Is this something like the least surface area where the surface is 'stuck' like oranges in a cardboard box, and each round thing above the previous layer touch at least 3 things below in a stabile way?
@Koisheep
@Koisheep 5 жыл бұрын
The video says such forms may not be possible in real life, they are made up
@kevinslater4126
@kevinslater4126 5 жыл бұрын
There’s a previous video about stacking cannonballs
@TheRealFlenuan
@TheRealFlenuan 5 жыл бұрын
“Is this what it took?” 😂😂😂
@SAAAMTV
@SAAAMTV 5 жыл бұрын
This. is. absurdly. fascinating. I've the same enthusiasm as numbers as Matt, but none of the coding knowledge to realise these sorts of things. Thanks for doing these!
@beeell8017
@beeell8017 5 жыл бұрын
Is there a relationship between the 1k and 5k hexagon stacks? That could predict the next size?
@Vaaaaadim
@Vaaaaadim 5 жыл бұрын
If so, I think the solutions would be a recurrence relation. In the past before I had looked for where the sum of integers from 1 to n equals a perfect square, for whatever reason. In other words solutions to the equation n*(n+1)/2 = k^2, for integers n and k. I remade a program to look for this after seeing your comment, and found the following solutions 0,1,8,49,288,1681,9800,57121,332928 and I noticed that this sequence of solutions fits the following recurrence relation: F(0) = 0, F(1) = 1, F(n) = 6*F(n-1) - F(n-2) + 2 and it seems this recurrence relation predicates the next value of this sequence being 1940449, and indeed sqrt(1940449*1940450/2) = 1372105 an integer. Seeing that something like this comes up with a recurrence relation like this is what would prompt me to think that the hexagon stacks thing would also do similarly, if such a relationship exists. Though there is a difference between this example and that which comes up in the video, as my thing has a quadratic on both sides, whereas the video has a quadratic on one side, and a cubic on the other.
@blackraven114
@blackraven114 5 жыл бұрын
There are more solutions higher up but there doesn't seem to be any sort of relation. I ran things up to 10^22 and you end up with 1045 , 5985 , 123395663059845 , and 774611255177760.
@lvl1969
@lvl1969 5 жыл бұрын
Turns out the equation is that of an elliptic curve. Siegel's theorem gives us that there are only a finite number of solutions. The recurrence formula you are looking for is that of point addition/duplication on elliptic curves, but they will eventually start producing rational numbers.
@mystifiedoni377
@mystifiedoni377 Жыл бұрын
These animations are amazing! Really help you understand what's being talked about.
@LukePalmer
@LukePalmer 5 жыл бұрын
At 4:36 I can hear matt thinking "yep, this is who I have become"
@stever1693
@stever1693 5 жыл бұрын
How many cannonballs would you need to stack before they started to fuse together at the bottom?
@only2ndplace
@only2ndplace 5 жыл бұрын
"It's not useful, but I love it." - every mathematician about every field of math ever
@SteveHodge
@SteveHodge 5 жыл бұрын
You can generate some cannon ball numbers with the formula: 1/2 (27x^7 + 189x^6 + 513x^5 + 684x^4 + 474x^3 + 171x^2 + 30x + 2)
@Anchor9Studios
@Anchor9Studios 5 жыл бұрын
7:29 is that Adam Savage of Mythbusters? He watches Numberphile? I feel like I’m in great company with so many superstars :)
@trequor
@trequor 3 жыл бұрын
Props to you for actually reading the patreon credits
@MrVasile
@MrVasile 5 жыл бұрын
Lots of comments asking about the "triangle base" case. The formula for a layer is (n x (n + 1) / 2. I haven't figured out the formula for n layers, but just brute-force adding all previous layers works in a spreadsheet. Once you do this you have the total balls in an n-layer pyramid. You then need to back-calculate to figure out how many balls on a side for a flat triangle shape. To get that calculation, you solve (m x (m + 1)) / 2 = t where t is the total in the pyramid and m is the sides of the flat triangle. There are two solutions (quadratic equation) but you can toss the negative solution (only a positive number of balls or any units makes sense). This results in checking if (-1 + sqrt( 1 + (4 x 2 x t)) / 2 is a whole number. Again, since we are counting balls, only whole positive numbers make sense. Result (up to 100,000): Pyramid height : flat triangle side 3 : 4 8 : 15 34 : 119 19,628 : 1,587,766 23,380 : 2,064,115 70,524 : 10,813,194 85,542 : 14,444,951 You are welcome!
@odineinmann5299
@odineinmann5299 5 жыл бұрын
My guess is that there only exists 17 integer solutions to this entire problem as it is a variant of an elliptical curve
@quarkonium3795
@quarkonium3795 Жыл бұрын
The last four are not correct. Whatever code you used hit a floating point error
@AviMehra
@AviMehra 5 жыл бұрын
I was expecting a 31,265-gonal Parker square but I got a 31,265-gonal Parker pyramid
@numberphile
@numberphile 5 жыл бұрын
BTW, there is a new Numberphile podcast out too: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6qUc3qso7msh6M
@MrCyanGaming
@MrCyanGaming 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah but matt, I think cannon balls can't be stacked in shapes greater than a hexagon right? like, I'm pretty sure you can only have them in triangles squares and hexagons
@julienhau999
@julienhau999 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah i dont understand either how they are stacked for higher polygons
@dfhgjhg
@dfhgjhg 5 жыл бұрын
It's the Parker's cannon ball stack
@KurtRichterCISSP
@KurtRichterCISSP 5 жыл бұрын
The foundation level is inside a frame made of adamantium.
@Tahgtahv
@Tahgtahv 5 жыл бұрын
@@julienhau999 They are all stacked in the same way. It's successive layers, with sides of length n-1. That fact that this would be more or less impossible to pull off physically is irrelevant.
@theznayx808
@theznayx808 5 жыл бұрын
If you look at the scene with all the individual pentagon layers you see big spaces so it's probably just maximal packing
@Latchfpv
@Latchfpv 5 жыл бұрын
And this is now one of my new favourite Matt Parker number videos.
@arthurdequeiroz8393
@arthurdequeiroz8393 5 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Brazil , absolutely love this channel
@Duey8808
@Duey8808 5 жыл бұрын
I really like your observation that the number has been waiting since the beginning of time for someone to attach some significance to it. That's a very interesting way of looking at it.
@joe9832
@joe9832 5 жыл бұрын
3:38 - Damn, I was really looking forward to stacking hundreds of cannonballs - in differently shaped polygons nonetheless - in the comfort of my home, sadly confined within the real world.
@whatno5090
@whatno5090 4 жыл бұрын
Luckily, by Siegel's theorem, for each number of sides of your polygon there are only finitely many solutions (if any at all).
@deidara_8598
@deidara_8598 5 жыл бұрын
1:10 Looks like Gauss' formula applied to three dimentions! If you had a pyramid in 2 dimentions you'd suddently be looking at summing n length at the base with one lower until you get to 1, so naturally one should be able to make a function that applies to all dimentions.
@tyzonemusic
@tyzonemusic 5 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you took this into account, but from the animations in the video it looks like your pentagons, hexagons, etc. always have a cannonball in the center. If you look at flat squares however, 3^2 will have a cannonball in the center while 4^2 will not. Was that taken into account when calculating the different values you could get?
@dkamm65
@dkamm65 5 жыл бұрын
I finished Humble Pi and now I'm reading Things to Make and Do in the Fourth Dimension. I just read the chapter on cannonball numbers today, and I come home to find a video about them waiting for me. Funny coincidence.
@jonathanwalther
@jonathanwalther 5 жыл бұрын
Damn, these animations! Well done!
@xander1052
@xander1052 5 жыл бұрын
I calculated for the 31265-gon shape, its diameter would be approximately 7,186 km, approximating the shape as a circle and the diameter of the cannonballs at 30cm. which makes it just small enough to do this in real life (in theory), given if you can make 90 billion + cannonballs. For the pyramid, assuming that each cannonball level is stacked directly over the last, with none of that real world stuff that happens when you stack cannonballs the pyramid is a mere 77.7m high, and assuming it is close in shape to a cone, the radius of the base should be 18,269.30385... cannonballs, or 5480.79m, so a cone with a diameter of over 10km if my maths is correct, would like someone to check that.
@muralikonda6233
@muralikonda6233 5 жыл бұрын
“ And I found it first “ 😂😂😂😂
@TanookiOshawott64
@TanookiOshawott64 5 жыл бұрын
I worked out the equation he is using! Given the number of sides on the polygon s with sides of length n the number of balls in: 1 layer=n(0.5s(n-1)+2-n) n 1 pyramid= Σ i(0.5s(i-1)+2-i) i=1
@Answerisequal42
@Answerisequal42 5 жыл бұрын
Does this work with tetrahedrons too?
@ameyaparanjpe6179
@ameyaparanjpe6179 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing content as always Numberphile
@hoggyapproved3040
@hoggyapproved3040 5 жыл бұрын
What about triangles?
@LeoStaley
@LeoStaley 5 жыл бұрын
Easily the most important comment here, but jokes reign Supreme.
@WildAnimalChannel
@WildAnimalChannel 5 жыл бұрын
Did you know 1^2+2^2+....+24^2 = 70^2 is used in things like string theory in 26 dimensions, and is related to the Leech Lattice in 24 dimensions?
@sekundus9274
@sekundus9274 5 жыл бұрын
Are this Parker-pyramids?
@LaSDetta
@LaSDetta 5 жыл бұрын
It's definitely a Parker Pyramid!
@Jp4wt
@Jp4wt 5 жыл бұрын
as long as its not again a parker square xD
@gadrill4285
@gadrill4285 5 жыл бұрын
@Parody Poops pretty sure it'd be a pyramid. definitely not a cylinder though
@gadrill4285
@gadrill4285 5 жыл бұрын
@Parody Poops well i wouldn't call it a circle either
@kourii
@kourii 5 жыл бұрын
I don't know, but that was a spot of Parker grammar there, mate
@davidharmeyer3093
@davidharmeyer3093 5 жыл бұрын
Just checked by rearranging my cannonballs in my room. 90,525,801,730 does indeed work.
@quesoestbonne
@quesoestbonne 5 жыл бұрын
Matt's mum: I asked you to tidy your room, why are you playing on your computer? Matt: First I have to prove it's possible with the number of cannonballs I have
@Casowsky
@Casowsky 5 жыл бұрын
"Really! Is this what it took?" Lmao
@awardmathpu4231
@awardmathpu4231 4 жыл бұрын
This(pentagonal based pyramid) did help in discovering the pattern that never repeats called (Penrose tiling).
@rafbammens1032
@rafbammens1032 5 жыл бұрын
He what about triangle based piramides? Just asking? Greeting Raf.
@matthewpeltzer948
@matthewpeltzer948 5 жыл бұрын
10. 1 + 3 + 6 (levels of a triangular pyramid) = 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 (rows of a flat triangle)
@RichardPenner
@RichardPenner 5 жыл бұрын
{m -> 1, n -> 1, s -> 3 }, # 1 - trivial {m -> 3, n -> 4, s -> 3 }, # 10 - stack triangles 3 high or make one triangle with a side of 4 {m -> 8, n -> 15, s -> 3 }, # 120 {m -> 20, n -> 55, s -> 3 }, # 1540 {m -> 34, n-> 119, s -> 3}, # 7140 I am told these are all the solutions when the number of sides is 3, but I haven't seen a proof yet.
@GeneralYouri
@GeneralYouri 5 жыл бұрын
@@matthewpeltzer948 Besides the trivial solution and your given solution of 10, there are at least three more: 120, 1540, 7140. There are no more until at least 2^53.
@canadiannuclearman
@canadiannuclearman 5 жыл бұрын
That equation is the sum of squares. as in. 1^2+2^2+3^2+4^2+5^2.... up to N^2. in a 4x4 square matrix and ask how many squares there are then it is the above equation with N=4. sum is 30 squares. 16 squares of 1x1. 9 squares of 2x2. 4 squares of 3x3. 1 square of 4x4.
@DjVortex-w
@DjVortex-w 5 жыл бұрын
How exactly do you arrange spheres into a regular polygon?
@kourii
@kourii 5 жыл бұрын
Pedant.
@Rabbit-the-One
@Rabbit-the-One 5 жыл бұрын
Proud of you too Matt.
@tomkerruish2982
@tomkerruish2982 5 жыл бұрын
What about 0 and 1? Don't they always work for every shape?
@sebastianjost
@sebastianjost 5 жыл бұрын
They're boring. It's about the non-trivial cases. But you are right :)
@ragnkja
@ragnkja 5 жыл бұрын
Tom Kerruish Too trivial.
@tomkerruish2982
@tomkerruish2982 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed, they're trivial. But IMO they should have been mentioned. You always need to take care of such cases. E.g., when defining a field, it's always made explicit that 0 and 1 are unequal.
@arw000
@arw000 5 жыл бұрын
Matt Parker is just a joy.
@Monosekist
@Monosekist 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve discovered every number... Just not a use for each one.
@nok400
@nok400 5 жыл бұрын
I really like how you have uped the production of these videos. Keep it up, I am loving it. - A fellow Tim
@Mr.Funkenstein
@Mr.Funkenstein 3 жыл бұрын
Anybody else notice that 31265 is also a beautiful euphemism for “There’s 12 months in a year”? (12 inside of 365) Or am I just weird?
@OlliWilkman
@OlliWilkman 5 жыл бұрын
I discovered a second decagonal cannonball number: 368050005576 (unless someone else already found it). It is the the 6511th decagonal pyramid number and also the 303336th decagonal number. I tested all numbers up to the ten millionth decagonal pyramid number, which is around 1.3e21. After a bit of pen&paper, and a few lines of code in the Julia language (took me a couple of hours), it takes about 0.02 seconds to test every number up to the millionth decagon pyramid number. After that I have to switch to using arbitrary precision numbers and the code slows considerably. Testing up to the ten millionth took about 92 seconds. I'll leave it running for the billionth as I go to bed now.
@OlliWilkman
@OlliWilkman 5 жыл бұрын
In more detail: I noticed on OEIS that all the decagon numbers lie on a line in the square spiral, so that in the spiral, their X coordinate is positive and their Y coordinate is zero (when the coordinate system is chosen in a particular way, but it's arbitrary and other choices will just interchange X and Y or the sign). I implemented an algorithm that gives the coordinates in the spiral, and then just fed it decagonal pyramid numbers and tested whether the condition "X is positive, Y is zero" is fulfilled. Edit: I'll add that the clever bit here is that computing the spiral coordinates is a constant-time algorithm, which then makes checking whether a given decagonal pyramid number is also a decagonal number constant-time as well.
@OlliWilkman
@OlliWilkman 5 жыл бұрын
Update: did not find a third one decagon cannon ball number, when checking up to the billionth decagonal pyramid number (which is around 10^27). So at least up to there we only have 175 and 368050005576.
@EpicMathTime
@EpicMathTime 5 жыл бұрын
Woah, that's a lot of damage!
@namewarvergeben
@namewarvergeben 5 жыл бұрын
I started reading "Things to make and do in the fourth dimension" just this morning and came across the Cannonball Numbers. I recognised the thumbnail immediately. What are the odds that Numberphile would upload a video of Matt Parker talking about this topic just now? I mean, coincidences like this happen, and it could have been any of the other topics I've read in the first few chapters so far, but man. Freaky.
@w0ttheh3ll
@w0ttheh3ll 5 жыл бұрын
most of those pyramids aren't actually proper stacks of spheres, you would need some kind of complex support structure to hold them in shape, defying the point of stacking in the first place
@HanabiraKage
@HanabiraKage 5 жыл бұрын
Would they be called Parker Pyramids, then?
@bulgaria9003
@bulgaria9003 4 жыл бұрын
It's been so long...since I have seen a big number...on this channel...to the man who's talking numbers
@partygirl0101
@partygirl0101 5 жыл бұрын
the biggest meme of numberphile is back at it again
@htmlguy88
@htmlguy88 5 жыл бұрын
a meme ? ahem.
@partygirl0101
@partygirl0101 5 жыл бұрын
@@htmlguy88 yes
@QuoteVG
@QuoteVG 5 жыл бұрын
no the biggest meme is -1/12
@michelegiacomini8487
@michelegiacomini8487 5 жыл бұрын
There is actually a different way to calculate the solutions that gives all possible answers for a given number of sides. For example there are two larger solutions for octagons (the pyramids with bases 49785 and 91839 long can be rearranged in octagons of sides 6413415 and 16068720 respectively). With the number of sides fixed, the problem is equivalent to calculating integer points on an elliptic curve. The nice thing is that there are algorithms for that. The downside is that this method is much more computationally heavy. For example my laptop struggles to calculate the solutions for 21 sides.
@Fogmeister
@Fogmeister 5 жыл бұрын
I just realised who you remind me of... You’re a cross between Rimmer and Kryten! It is uncanny.
@bookslug2919
@bookslug2919 5 жыл бұрын
Now you've said it I can't un-see it!
@venkateshbabu1504
@venkateshbabu1504 4 жыл бұрын
Sine cube plus cosine cube equals one and solve for angles and get ratio. Whenever you see sphere.
@thomasturner6980
@thomasturner6980 5 жыл бұрын
What would win, nuke or 90 billion cannonballs
@slowsatsuma3214
@slowsatsuma3214 5 жыл бұрын
90 billion nukes
@xbzq
@xbzq 5 жыл бұрын
Some research indicates that this is old news (some 5 years old) from "Things to Make and Do in the Fourth Dimension"
@danielleanderson6371
@danielleanderson6371 5 жыл бұрын
...which is Matt Parker's book. Numberphile has been trickling out factoids from that book for years now. It's the reason I actually stopped reading it; most of it I'd already seen in vastly superior video format.
@feeish
@feeish 5 жыл бұрын
3:35 I feel like if they "work" mathematically but can't be stacked in the real world it's kind of cheating.
@todork.3240
@todork.3240 5 жыл бұрын
At this point i can say, that this channel cannot get any nerdier, or can it. Thanks for the great video.
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