90 % of units need to be REMOVED?! | Is It IMBA Or Do I Suck

[@zimti7390]

"If everything is imba, nothing is imba" -Sun Tzu, at Waterloo

[@Fimbu1vetr]

I like that Waterloo is included hahaha

[@lecoutcritique8854]

people often misquote this one, but you sir didn't, so I'd say "gg" before quitting.

[@Max.-rs6sm]

xd

[@henryoberley701]

Harstem, if he kills all the pylons then he won't have supply to build cannons.

[@pablovirus]

Big brain

[@abdulmasaiev9024]

Naw, going for the pylon is Bronze Big Brain. Destroy the pylons and everything shuts down with just one building (except there were 2 of them, oops), and of the cannon or pylon options the pylon is actually way less tanky since there's a battery around. The battery won't charge it up automatically, and you can safely bet that it won't get targeted for charging up manually either since it's bronze, thus making it the softest target.

[@adhillA97]

24:00 Nah, Bronze League games are like Chess: Never resign, the opponent will probably make a worse mistake than you just did and even it out again.

[@charleysimmons427]

so true

[@ZC.Andrew]

"If you see your opponent making a mistake, don't interrupt him- make a bigger one instead!" - Bronze Sun Tsu

[@hinney827]

I'm mildly disappointed that you didn't end the "you suck" part with a little "hehe."

[@KradDrows]

I was waiting for the "hehe" at the end

[@adhillA97]

Hamster's live battle analysis is incredible. I hope you are paying this man well.

[@lucasduke1763]

@20:55 the full phrase of "great minds think alike" is actually a sarcastic insult (it's British who would have guessed) "Great minds think alike, and fools seldom differ" It basically just means idiots think they're right cause they agree. The more you know!!!

[@camille_sf]

9:50 He meant to battery overcharge :)

[@MrDNE1000]

It's too far from the nexus right?

[@camille_sf]

I believe it is, but he didn't know that :p@@MrDNE1000

[@stevef68]

I was kind of shocked to see recall in a bronze game, but mis-clicking overcharge makes a LOT of sense.

[@camille_sf]

I believe it is, but he didn't know that :p It's actualy part of the theory : He tried to battery overcharge, but it wouldn't work (cause out of range), so he tried other buttons, and it recalled ^^@@MrDNE1000

[@weaponizedemoticon1131]

Oh! That makes so much more sense.

[@bladgier]

Bronze complaints and games are truly the best. I remember back when I was bronze one of my games, playing zerg against terran and I thought it was a sick move to make few hyrdas and burrow them waiting on my ramp for terran to come. He eventually came about 10 minutes into the game with 20 or so marines no stim no shield no medivac, I unburrow and my hydras and get murdered. Everything on 1 base wings of liberty. Good times.

[@matth1005]

This happened to me in a brood war campaign mission and my marines got rekt, so theoretically a sound play

[@biigsmokee]

i made my friend buy sc2 and told him to go Zerg for our first 1v1, he mass overlords so much that I couldn't even see his hatchery under all the overlords. There were seriously maybe 200-300 overlords. When I ran across with 200 supply of roaches, he was surprised when they couldn't attack He plays Protoss now lol

[@garnetg987]

Harstem might actually lose his mind if he were to watch Winter's Bronze League Heroes casts.

[@ZC.Andrew]

That's why Winter is one of a kind. He can literally do anything.

[@charlesstoll744]

@@ZC.Andrew funny statement considering husky was the one who created bronze league heroes long, long before winter started doing it

[@ZC.Andrew]

@charlesstoll744 Husky was a legend it's true. But Winter is much more versatile... and much more reliable too.

[@chloesmith4065]

H to the Usky Husky hasn't made StarCraft content in like a decade dude. He dropped the community completely

[@cwalk1066]

There's something about low level SC2 that just seems like more fun. No builds, no sweatlords, just build some units and and see what happens

[@matth1005]

"Dang it! Ultras can't shoot up" XD

[@PantoniStrikesBack]

@@matth1005 that part almost killed me, it was so good...

[@Deto128]

I think fatbeaver actually did see the cannon rush and thatsvwhy they built their barracks so far on the top side. Yes, definitely a terrible response, but at 2100 mmr that isnt so unlikely

[@loraxak]

It's not terrible if you build marauders. They can clear up cannons quite well.

[@hanrockabrand95]

I think "hehe" stands for "has endured humiliating experience"

[@wol_ves]

Love the test battles that got included, they really bring some of the points home haha!

[@Uranium_chewer]

"flying ships that send small irritating ships" this man is my soul animal

[@MinDeRien2658]

This. And the flying laser ships. That’s their name now.

[@chloesmith4065]

I mean he ain't wrong... Lol😅

[@MrDNE1000]

the 1 probe recall was probably meant to be a battery overcharge but the battery was built too far from the nexus? It would have made the pylon focus even worse

[@jeromevent4548]

It wouldn't have made the pylon focus worse because that battery was only autocasting which doesn't affect pylons.

[@phileas007]

I like how the toss thinks, always make da beam THICCCCCCC

[@AdeQuacyFail9]

-How desperate you you? - "rise depo against carriers". 22:54

[@HENTAICOMBO]

That art seems like something I would draw with my friend when we declare war against each other at 4 grades.

[@BentusiProgenitors]

"We got the 1 marine contain" LOL

[@rykehuss3435]

dont underestimate him, that couldve been jim raynor himself

[@Magdavian]

at bronze level the response of pulling scv is rare, scv is more precious than marines. sacrificing the marines at the start to kill the probe is also standard. attacking pylons to shut down building is a common tactic as well. you are like a spacefaring advanced civilization watching primitive wrestling in the mud, you can not imagine how wrestling works because it is so far beneath your current level,.. haha,..i used to use these tactic against normal AI , many units being cued up is also the suggestion of the tutorial.

[@vinniechan]

I used to think at bronze league level the best terrain counter to cannon rush is straight up lift off and double expand lol

[@pwoblo]

😂 evacuate!

[@mothrahlurker788]

Just pull worker early because they can't probe micro to keep it alive and they never wall in cannons, just a freewin.

[@disrespect1226]

At 15:48, he is actually shift queueing amoves on the Void Rays. With any other unit, that would have been better than I expected, but here it means he's not using lock-ons. Truly an incredible game

[@paulojounin]

this is probably the worst starcraft game i have ever seen

[@emjizone]

Not the worst in the comedy genre.

[@emjizone]

Nor is it the worst if you plan to use it to train an artificial intelligence to do the opposite.

[@jpVari]

10 seconds into the complaint and I already agree

[@wedgeantilles8575]

Well, like Harstem said - a lot happened in the game. That makes it way more interesting than a lot other games.

[@timoborri298]

But you have seen it

[@vinniechan]

To be fair bronze level protoss going air is one of the most predictable thing

[@Fimbu1vetr]

I mean I play garbage like 2 base carrier into forge and a 3rd in mid diamond but carriers start slightly earlier than 11:30 xD

[@shadehealer]

Diamond 3 here. Also going carriers very often :D

[@ZAWARUD00]

And later, it's Immortal-Chargelots-Archon all the way up to diamond

[@linusgustafsson2629]

Considering the full version is "great minds think alike but fools seldom differ" or something, it is no surprise they had the same moves.

[@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer]

Good wits doe jumpe 😅

[@Astaesteceeacesp]

I love how Harstem is looking at 57 marines at minute 20 wondering if they can win a fight...not realizing that stim is not done, no micro would occur, and those armor upgrades he just talked about are the difference maker!

[@CarsonP-p8b]

"We still have a one marine contain over by the ramp." I spit my coffee out laughing so hard.

[@liamhelot8307]

that drawing looks like something found in a cave that makes people believe in ancient aliens

[@OMGclueless]

This is someone who learned that Protoss needs pylons to power their buildings and thought "Aha! I've found their Achilles heel!"

[@chloesmith4065]

"I am a genius!" "Oh no-"

[@countarchvile]

Fresh out the campaign teaching them you can unpower production

[@ashesofaranea]

9:13 i'm fucking dying, he managed to micro so his units would be even worse than if he just moved in. even if doesn't know about attack move just place those marines up there and bam game over

[@Fimbu1vetr]

I remember this hardstuck bronze streamer insisted on a clicking everything (terribly) they were attacking instead of a moving. They also didn't build probes or army very often. "Why dont you try 4 gating to practice the basics?" "No, it won't work at higher leagues I must learn how to play properly."

[@quickdraw6893]

@@Fimbu1vetr Wonder how he feels about Akrij spamming the exact same build and getting to GM off it

[@Fimbu1vetr]

​@@quickdraw6893ehh they didn't really listen to much better players sooo they were 1600 MMR. Think about how bad this was and imagine 500 MMR worse lolol

[@PavlosPapageorgiou]

That's the RTS game normal people want to play. If it's a bad SC2 game that's a design issue, not a skill issue.

[@mh1593]

@2:00 EDITORS NOTE IS WRONG> In THIS season (2024 Season 1): I am 2500MMR and I am BRONZE ii. This season the Rank MMR cut off points are all changed; Last season with the same MMR I was GOLD ii.

[@tilmanvogel2387]

12:36 I like how he actually calls him "THE fat Beaver" x-DD

[@Velisatra]

Not leaving until all buildings are gone is actually pretty common in silver and bronze. It's like Galaxy Quest: never give up, never surrender!

[@domacleod]

I love this new "Kowalski, analysis!" mode you got going. Figure it's more effort but damn does it pay off.

[@Sequence322]

the drawing on the form gave me a good laugh

[@EnRandomSten]

"dang it I cant shoot up, well thats 45 minutes of my life well spent" I fucking love harstems commentary lmfao

[@min009]

Harstem, just remember this game next time you guess Silver 2 on rank roulette.

[@MySelfTheThird-ft8fo]

"we still have our 1 marine contain" i don't know why but this line is going to be stuck in my head for a while 😆 overall , this game was quite entertaining to watch !

[@Belhun]

Great Editing this episode, made the Video way more intresting

[@recarsion]

Just reading the submission I was thinking surely this must be a shitpost

[@mglegacy012]

“Now attacking the building cannon… which isn’t being powered?” 😂 very nice.

[@wedgeantilles8575]

"Great minds think alike - and apparently the opposite is also true" Haha, what a roast :D

[@2019inuyasha]

I laughed so hard when he saw the cannon started a cc and as soon as it shot once bam gone cc canceled loss if 100 minerals for absolutely no reason acheaved...

[@DistrictTerra]

I dunno how harstem didn't see it but he was trying to activate the battery overcharge when he recalled the probe. Was a mis-click. Also it wouldn't have helped anyways because the battery wouldn't have tried to heal the pylon.

[@chloesmith4065]

And was about to lose power. lol

[@DistrictTerra]

@@chloesmith4065 yeah but if the battery is activated and targetting to the pylon it will survive.

[@VictorF0326]

That drawing is top gold though

[@Klerafukan]

Very entertaining. That is my level and I can relate... :) Nice army simulations, Hamster!

[@whateverppl1229]

15:00 I had a game very similar to that but im not bronze, im diamond. and you might be wondering what the difference is and really the only difference is the terran used medivacs for vision.

[@synka5922]

"I have 1/3rd of the workers of my oponent, why has he so much more resources? imba"

[@guilhermeportugal6389]

This editing is just too good!

[@Licoman256]

Love the editing and unit tester

[@Gandalf1232]

Bringing back the nostalgic feels of husky casting bronze league heroes lol 😅

[@chloesmith4065]

Winter still does them once in a while

[@Ricewarrior01]

One of these days, Harstem should co-cast an IODIS next time he's hanging out with one of the guys like Reynor, Clem, ect.

[@itspch]

Agreed with editor, 2100 is silver not bronze

[@anupew3276]

thats bronze 3

[@sjoerdglaser2794]

When I heard this was bronze, I was directly hyped! Or rather, I a hyped, I am three minutes in

[@ManDuderGuy]

Nothing better than cleaning up early cheese from metal-leaguers (I am of course the most godlike of players, high diamond) and forcing them into a macro game...because they can't macro.

[@Sara_Feingold]

Honestly, the "response" to the cannon rush feels like FatBeaver watched the replay (which is more than can be said for a lot of IODIS submissions, so good on FatBeaver for that! :D ), realized the probe got in, and then tried to make up an excuse in hindsight for why there was no response (: 9:50 "What was the thought process there? And also, what was the thought process here with the micro?" You're expecting too much from bronze league, I think (:

[@thenonsequitur]

Don't forget this is bronze. They might have no idea that SCVs can be used to respond. 3-rax might be a sensible response if that's what you think.

[@chloesmith4065]

I believe him, I think the two rax was the response, he tried to make marines and use them to clear the cannons. Terrible idea but I see the"logic"

[@oysterjamivxx]

maaan those simulations are so nice, this give so much value to your content.

[@johnraudabaugh726]

This was a great cast. It good content for my friends and I to play a drinking game where you drink every time harstem says “fat bEAver”.

[@kythlyn]

"We've still got a one marine contain on the outside" XD

[@oscarjosefsson9300]

Harstem is such a nice guy. Imagine being one of the best in the world at something and still spend your time giving advice to the worst amateurs / beginners.

[@domacleod]

1:30 there is already a terran vs terran game out there, red alert 2, most units are analog to each other, each subfaction only has 1 different unit, and both allies and soviets have about equivalent overpowered units. No pesky upgrades, and static defense is actually a kind of defense. Complainer should be playing that instead.

[@jialianglow]

this is comedy gold, i wish i had irl friends to share this with who would understand

[@anupew3276]

2:00 well I am currently in bronze1 league on EU with MMR around 2500 and it says it is bronze 2 (it say 2300-2600 is bronze 2, when I was in Bronze 1 MMR after placements I believe it said 2600-2900 range) and that I will be probably demoted next league if my MMR doesnt increase. 2200 is bronze 3 on EU, not silver

[@crippy3819]

wow the micro test clips. harstem making imba content

[@GrimOrdnance]

"Darn they dont shoot up!" I died..

[@michaelkeegan9260]

Imagine he seiged his first tank outside protoss base, and sent the second to join it...

[@AxelDerAlptraumraech]

I am very happy that the declinced-stamp has been back for a while now :)

[@mh1593]

@15:50 it takes 20 marines to take down a single carrier.

[@UbergamR447]

I love the battle simulations added to these videos! great content!

[@bayusa8961]

👏 Well done Editor! You really added noticeable value to this video 😊 👏

[@eclipseeffigy]

Love the combat sims Hamster 👏

[@ErenisRanitos]

bronze players sending imba complaints are like flat earthers to me

[@Berry_Bruiser]

What the point of a bronze Is It IMBA? The dude is probably breathing incorrectly, he has much larger issues than his Terran macro.

[@Eewokney]

cause its also a way for players to get some guidence\coaching on their playstyle. its not only to roast people.

[@Berry_Bruiser]

@@Eewokney That didn't answer my question, that's the basic concept of Is It IMBA, which is why we are here. The point I'm trying to make is that this bronze player is so bad that everything is wrong with him. Why waste the time pointing out that everything he is doing is wrong, anyone could tell him to just play the game more and that would make him a better player. It makes this feel like a pointless episode, unless you're here just to hear Harstem talk or to laugh at the silly bronze player.

[@Daiyuki117]

@@Berry_Bruiser That's exactly why I am here. Or are you here for the green stamp confirming this is IMBA? Because I have news for you...

[@Berry_Bruiser]

@@Daiyuki117 At what part of anything I've said lead you to believe I wanted Harstem to say something was IMBA in this video?

[@xilial]

whats the tool to test the startcraft batles that show marines vs cannons?

[@chloesmith4065]

custom map, unit tester

[@dylansevitt]

Hamster mdid harstem dirty in the unit tester. Hardtem definitely meants 56 marines with stim and medivacs... Not just 56 marines by themeselves

[@chloesmith4065]

Yeah, if he waited for stim, +1 armor, had the medivacs, was in position, there's a chance

[@screes620]

I seriously think the Mule, and subsequently the Command Center is just broken as a mechanic in the game. The ability to have basically no SCV's but still out mine the enemy is something no other race can do. Every race has a cap of 200 units, zerg and protoss need drone/probes to have an economy, reducing the possible size of their army but not Terrain. Terrain can have zero SCV's with enough orbital commands and just constantly drop mules and have 200 army supply. Not only that, they can drop those mule's anywhere on the map without restriction to repair or mine things. On top of that Command Centers can fly and choose to either be an Orbital that can spawn mules AND scan anywhere on the map at any time OR become a massive gun surrounded by units that heal it making it a huge defensive structure. I recently saw a game between Clem and Serral where Clem was down to like 9 SCV's in the late game, but he just had so many orbitals he could continue to outmine Serral and win the game even though Serral had like 5 times as many drones as Clem did.

[@SaiKisaragi]

This is a lesson in anti-micro and why upgrades are so important.

[@ZC.Andrew]

To be fair to FatBeaver, the Terran race feels the most "complete." That is not saying imbalanced, but all their units feel thought out. The same cannot be said about Protoss.

[@Aminmotors]

"Great minds think alike, and fools seldom differ."

[@oliverhughes610]

On the plus side, I do like his drawing

[@beeble8204]

another fantastic commentary from the captain! Top analysis well done

[@sebastianeckert4637]

Cannon rushing a terran with bis flying buildings is a questionable idea.

[@christianr9649]

The battle simulation was great.

[@Alex-pq2fv]

20:44 that's brutal 😂😂

[@enlightenerr8342]

Thanks for the editor note! I was wondering how could 2100 mmr still be bronze. What is that 2000 mmr for, if it is bronze already

[@Bizm4rk]

"Great minds think alike, but fools seldom differ"

[@OneJazzKid]

I have been dying so hard of laughter...."great minds think alike, and apparently the opposite is also true"...."static defense, combined....a battery and cannons - SUPER static!" oh god my belly. thanks captain:D

[@Kheapathic]

Harstem is only unsure about what would win; because when you reach a certain level of proficiency, your brain has a bit of an issue going back in time to when you were unskilled. He knows what would win in a higher level game, as he knows what upgrades and unit composition would be. You throw in Bronze level players who are just kinda flailing around, and you don't know, because your brain has to put in more effort and can't rely on it's normal knowledge.

[@cooperleher10]

Hi Captain! Thank you as always for the wonderful content. I would like to be able to see the complaining race and mmr while you read the form.

[@ericdupuis8819]

worst thing is he probably would have won had he a-clicked his entire army of marines in the natural...

[@Cellus5000]

The production value is insane

[@the_rabidsquirel]

It's always amusing when Terrans think a nearly pure marine army should be able to beat anything their opponent has.

[@vietnamgamer9490]

That request read like someone who had never played before… and so did the gameplay

[@NewAge1138]

I believe the recalled probe was a misclick and was meant to be battery overcharge

[@lelouchvibritannia7809]

I haven’t seen a player this good since TheSeed on Purity and Industry

[@stanimir5F]

2 things amazed me in this video: 1) Harstem was surprised that they are not following a certain plan. I am high-gold, low-plat and I am still awful strategy-wise. And I have 100 more issues. In short I am quite bad player :) 2) That these are bronze players. No irony. These are actually quite good for a BRONZE! If you see any of my games when I was start playing the game you would want to commit a suicide! I mean cannon rush? Bro, I wasn't aware of which unit/building requires what. I was trying to collect minerals with my zealots! Expand? Upgrades?!?!? What the hell is this?! My base looked like a tower defense map. I had 60-70 supply and 50 cannons all around my base. I mean obviously the imbalance complain is... unfounded to say it mildly. But I am absolutely serious when I say that for a bronze players they were quite good. Especially the protoss.

[@thefirstsol1770]

Finally less of friendly game analysis and more of laughing Harstem

[@jeffreywilliams3421]

When I saw a 2100 rated Bronze League player, I thought we finally had a chance at finding a real imbalance, a guy who can get such a high rating but still retain his bronze badge has to be doing something right. Sad how it turned out.

[@mothrahlurker788]

Mmr determines your league, 2100 is extremely low and that's why it's bronze.

[@BrandASDGamings]

Im not sure about the cam overlay.