9TH WONDER DEBATES DIDDY VS DR DRE/ JERMAINE DUPRI... WHO WINS? Drop a comment!!!

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[@Mathhoffa]

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[@collective2008]

Bruh said he dont see Dre gettin on the Mic? This was only 5 years ago... kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKrVpn6HbLp_pdU

[@ThePremierGroupLLC]

Nah... Now you doin' TOO MUCH! SHOWOFF! 😁😁😁

[@colbyjackimprints1699]

Puff gone smoke dre too!!!

[@ThePremierGroupLLC]

@@colbyjackimprints1699 💀

[@charlesbrandon1587]

Niggas forgot dre got Kendrick too

[@royalrelle1484]

Some people can’t be in a Verzus cause it’s unfair. DRE can go all the way back to NWA, then go as recent as Kendrick Lamar!

[@ricflairWoooo]

Yeah I can definitely agree on that and I been saying Dr Dre shouldn’t be in it because he can dominate in many angles

[@Poetryforstoners]

All facts!

[@Poetryforstoners]

@alexander harvey hmmmm Good kid , mad city.....wtf YOU DONT KNOW WTF YOU TALKIN BOUT

[@joenanchengwa1618]

@alexander harvey you trippin bro, go sit down, take a breather.

[@deanbrooks7297]

@alexander harvey don't forget he was on a Kendrick Lamar song though. It can still be used

[@marcbjohnson]

"He's Thanos"....that's the line of this interview. Dr. Dre is freakin' Thanos.

[@freddiebrock6740]

Collecting all them stones lol

[@CinqueMalcolm]

Overused *ss reference and I don't even fvk with any if the comic book sht.

[@katlegomasoeu7993]

Factz

[@jaymac4448]

Timbaland has Dre beat

[@williamlane8141]

And let’s not 4get Dr. Dre production on The D.O.C.’s No One can do it Better album!

[@jalonirons]

Bruh Dre literally created 3 labels off his production creating 3 different waves in hip hop

[@michaeloverton2437]

Preach

[@terrenceperkins5282]

Dre don't write his rhtyms or produce & music don't really play & BBQ or clubs

[@brothacurbstomp]

@@terrenceperkins5282 That crack you're smoking must be fire 🔥

[@terrenceperkins5282]

Straight from south Jamaica Qms

[@geedoggydogg2372]

@@terrenceperkins5282 bro nothing but a g thang get played at every bbq

[@Coronaboii88]

I got Dre hands down. Y'all must've forgot Dre started as a DJ. That's an edge if you're selecting 20 of your best records to go against your opponent.

[@noble78b]

Dr Dre bringing nuclear bombs.. NY cats talking about Puff gon bring out French Montana 🤦🏿‍♂️🤣🤦🏿‍♂️

[@fairviewgreensmade]

Facts...they biased and out of they fuckin mind

[@acedavis4369]

"French" bro 😩😧

[@richardtaylor2906]

Lol

[@user-bg6kz7ci7q]

Dre tells French to hold any song off all eyes on me !!

[@redmanjohnson4616]

Lmao...

[@bambam6537]

When JD told Diddy “man turn that shit off that’s a remake! That ain’t yours!” Diddy started talkin about money. That said a lot to me about how Diddy really feel. JD Writes and produces and DJs….writes Rap and RnB.

[@jermainejennings7783]

I think you missed the part where JD was talking how many records he sold with confessions and how Bad Boy didnt sell any. Puff just grown maned him with how much money he has!

[@derekcastillo949]

Most puff shit was remixes lol. Or he literally used the samples in the same tempo and all no cuts nothing and just put drums on it lol.

[@jayevans6077]

No one. Dre is Thanos.

[@charliewilson5564]

Xscape "who can i run to" is also a remake🤔🤔🤔JD tripp'd out on that one

[@bambam6537]

@@charliewilson5564 that may be one, but puffy has a ton of remakes

[@michaelvin8632]

Once Dre drops Nuthin But a G Thang, the battle's over.

[@awwskit3929]

The whole show would be a celebration concert just imagine all the guest appearances

[@brettthomas6327]

One more chance is the greatest hip hop song of all time.

[@martinsmith7368]

@@brettthomas6327 said no one ever

[@DrDizfuntion]

Still Dre too

[@Kruniq]

@@brettthomas6327 really? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bjamminsincebirth3494]

The issue is Diddy didn’t produce a lot of those records. He just put his name on stuff.

[@ATLMIAPROMOTIONS]

Diddy Didn't produce any of his records the hit squad did.

[@willsalter8113]

Say it one more time for the slow people.

[@M.H.Paperstacks]

Diddy arranged the beats he tells them where to put the sounds, and what sounds good, so technically he does produce

[@DeeWunnHybrid]

Leave DRE alone….we wanna see warz not a Thanos snap 😅🙏🏾

[@MrScrooge1980]

Factual

[@dhill2758]

Maan Listen.....

[@s.c.t.g7735]

😂😂😂 well said

[@UncleRandy73]

Nobody touches Dr Dre. Dre still keeps heads ringin….

[@kbtitan2464]

DJ Premier

[@sunzofman940]

word tho they didn't even mention that one

[@fxxnxx2775]

@@sunzofman940 I play this track every Friday as in Dedication to the DRE

[@lelouchzero14548]

Dj Khaled

[@billytucker1065]

Dj Quik

[@killerra]

Dre, JD, Timbaland, Pharrell, these dudes actually touched the tools and made the records. Why is Puff getting put on their level?

[@mlean83]

Exactly what i been saying. This nigga puff flew a bunch of producers to an island and then became the executive producer on every track they made. He remixes he never created

[@meresofresh84]

Puff has the ear.

[@Neptunejc]

I agree. Puff never touched a piece of equipment ever he shouldn't be mentioned with dre jd timbo skateboard P & chad

[@mlean83]

@@meresofresh84 Dre does too that means nothing in this debate. No disrespect 🙏🏽

[@rustyie_winnin3279]

All of them use ghost producers 🤷🏾‍♂️. Touching the tools or not his ear is responsible for hit after hit no matter how you slice it

[@dubstc1]

I feel that Dre has a mountain of hits to play in the last 10 songs, so he could pull up anything. I don't think Puffy or JD can flip that situation. Dre's catalog is just more grand. His work ethic is way different to. This man has touched: Kendrick The Game Busta Eve Nas The Firm Eminem Snoop NWA The DOC Eazy E Michelle Xzibit 50 Cent Warren G Tha Dogg Pound Nate Dogg Anderson .Paak Mary J Blige Ice Cube Gwen Stefani Jay-Z Rick Ross Remember there was a time when Puffy was scrambling around trying to counter some of Dr. Dre's music because the sound from Dre was something that "They felt" needed to be countered heavy. Puffy loses if he uses Faiths "Emotional" on the strength that he literally took the sound that Dre made popular. They all have hits, I think that JD and Puffy have more club hits, but Dre has the head bangers. All in all, it's kind of not a fair battle because they are just 2 different types of producers, but Dre's track are just different. They are just bigger monsters. Maybe it should be between JD and Puffy. It would be more of a fair fight. No disrespect to none of them because I Feel all of them...

[@4baddboy]

Hmmm very well said to me even considering dre and Puff (no matter how many hits he has) is an insult to Dre this guys literally brought us and invented gangstar rap 30 years later still popping Puff is good dre is a legend.

[@juz4anna]

How’d ya leave out 2pac

[@ToasterForLife]

JD is a DJ as well. He understands song selection and timing and vibe.

[@user-uq9dc8cr3c]

Underrated ass comment

[@anthonybaker5199]

Facts

[@elegantrenaissance]

Man great observation your the first bring out that aspect of JD's bag. Puff better not take JD light.

[@JeromeGigante]

FAACCTTS !!!! , YOO YOUR COMMENT DESERVE TO BE IN A GOLDEN SECTION BRUH

[@MrWARBUCKS24]

But he won't be in dj mode that night

[@urbanchangewithin624]

Dr. Dre is a music producer, JD is a music producer, Sean Combs is a master ceo, executive, stylist and opinionist who can say that’s a hit

[@samsneadd]

Snoop has an interview to where he break down what Dre do. He calls hits to trust me. But i get ur point.

[@darrenevans1176]

Thank you people be getting the game twisted, Diddy ain’t played no instrument and produced no music, he rapped on a couple songs that somebody ghost wrote for him, JD is a producer made his beats, Dre produced beats even though other people played the instruments and ghost wrote for him, like you said Diddy is just a CEO, so you put him up against Suge if he was out of jail.

[@tremunique6149]

@P. Delor, Sr. I think u missed the point he was trying 2 make. I think he’s focusing more on what Puff is not than what Dre and JD r not.

[@tremunique6149]

@P. Delor, Sr. respect ✊🏿 back at u, but I don’t think he’s looking at Puff as a “producer” in the same vane as Dre or JD. That’s what I took from it anyway.

[@tremunique6149]

@P. Delor, Sr. , Puff brought forth some of my favorite artists; BIG, Mary J Blige and Jodeci. I’m not hating on him. His thing is just different than the other 2.

[@markbeckles2456]

Once Dre Play “The Watcher” and “ Keep Their Heads Ringin” it’s A Wrap . West!!!!!

[@THINKBIGc]

He wouldn't play either of them songs tho 🤣

[@markbeckles2456]

@@THINKBIGc who knows dre has a huge catalog it’s crazy

[@dominiquejones3805]

B Please is still crazy

[@michaeloverton2437]

​@dominiquejones3805 and thats not including B Please remix

[@earlpalmer5440]

"He's Thanos." With the gauntlet and all 6 infinity stones haha Great debate 🙏🏼

[@Ohbeepgcp]

When it comes to Dre, his surprise attack would be D.O.C tracks

[@michaeloverton2437]

Facts. He comes out with The Formula,, Then hit you with Grand Finale, Let the Bass go.

[@sirjer73]

Yeah and all the NWA posse cuts. Parental Discretion iz advised, Grand Finale and the Last Song of Above the law!!!

[@michaeloverton2437]

@@sirjer73 exactly 💯 and add Eve, Em, Gwen Stefani, Blackstreet “No Diggy” then Dre can come out with “ Fuck the Police” ballgame over

[@88GURP]

Bruh that's the game changer

[@michaeloverton2437]

@@88GURP homie, especially if he brings Ice Cube out and Cube said "You Dre I got something to say, Fuck the Police coming straight from the underground" ball game over. Homie said its not fair to bring Cube out because Graig Mack, Biggie and Black Rob aren't here and his spot on but Dre can't bring Nate Dogg either especially when he plays the song "Bitch Please"

[@THEsoulquarian]

New Yorkers going to pick Puff and us Californians going to pick Dre, but if I’m being objective it’s hard not to pick Dre. Respect to all the legends but Dre is an institution at this point

[@ushouldrelax16]

I'm a new Yorker and i don't see Diddy winning vs Dre. He might lose to JD in all honesty. Dre has too much in the hard drive.

[@dhill2758]

A MF'n Maximum Security Institution....LOL....He could beat Puff & JD together

[@jayjacinto6906]

Dre just has a head start on everyone! Dudes catalog is scary

[@jayjacinto6906]

@@ushouldrelax16 church!

[@samsneadd]

Fam I grew up on both coast , luv them both and live in AZ now. It is Dre. Diddy is close but what they fail to mention is for every big is a Pac hit and vice versa. Diddy has Jodeci, Usher, and Mary, Lil Kim, Lox, Junior mafia, Busta and Pharell remix, black rob and 112, red cafe, Mase all dope and legends. Dre has Kendrick, Eminem, 50, JayZ, Firm ( Nas and Foxy and AZ), 2 Pac, Eazy, Ice Cube, Mary also, Busta, Snoop, Sam Sneed, Lady of Rage, Dog Pound, Gwen Stafani, Rakim, Black Street, The Game, Rass Kass, Xzibit, Nocturnal, Eve. The impact of artist and songs Dre has worked with is just greater. Salute to all the brothas. But, 9th and dude with the glasses is right . Dre is Thanos. These cats reind my of my cousins in the BX, when I ask them who better its always gonna be about Pun and Fat Joe even when they aint in the ring lol, or some NY nikka as it should. But dis right here is total NY Biased. Puff is dope af. But, no one f ing with Dre. Dre got all coast including NY.

[@jayseth]

JD has an incredible catalogue, so does Puff, but na I'm with 9th on this one. Dre is indeed Thanos

[@THEATTKID]

9TH Wonder: "He's Thanos" My man with the dreads: "SHIT" I felt that!!

[@RioSoul83]

Imagine if Dre gets Snoop, Eminem, 50 Cent, Cube, Kendrick, Warren G, Daz, Kurupt and the 2Pac, Nate Dogg & Eazy E holograms to all come out and do live performances of every song of theirs he uses in his Verzuz battle 🤯. Game over! 🚫🎮

[@AHSR9]

Add The Game to that Dre lineup too. Dre got it!

[@Seahawks_All_22]

That would actually be dope but I hope they bring everyone out on both sides while preforming. That alone would break hip hop past and present for a record

[@RioSoul83]

@@AHSR9Yes, the Game too! I forgot about him.

[@RioSoul83]

@@Seahawks_All_22 Great idea! Puffy bringing out Mase, Mary, 112, Jodeci, Carl Thomas, Shyne, Loon, Yung Joc, Total, Lil Cease, Kim, the Lox, Stevie J, etc would be crazy! That would take Verzuz to a whole other level, generate an insane amount of ticket sales and put a whole lot of money in the pockets of several great artists. Dr. Dre would prolly feel more comfortable approaching a Verzuz battle this way as well.

[@derekcastillo949]

@@RioSoul83 lol not really bro lol go read that list again 😂😂😂 and tell me how you need 13 mfrs to match dre bring maybe just 5 artists he made. Not even same caliber

[@jamesanthony6733]

JD vs. Rodney”Darkchild” Jerkins. Both has hits, both write music for their artist.

[@noble78b]

Perfect!

[@brandonralandssr.3468]

Great idea💡

[@donneysimpson8536]

Yo! I forgot about Darkchild. He had Brandy Full Moon album poppin' that was her best shit.

[@The1shaboogie]

I agree

[@ec6239]

That would be a great match up!

[@WordToMomsYo]

I see this show doing bigger things. The whole “barber shop theme” is genius, and Math is a consummate host and ambassador/conduit for rap’s running conversations. An easy way to blow two or three hours, and I look forward to each new episode. Keep up the good work! 💪

[@seehleD]

I mean 9th Wonder is a god tier producer himself, I love his humility.

[@kh7688]

Facts upon facts.

[@tusuzbeatz7118]

They count Songs That Puff didn‘t Produce. He signed the Artists. JD actually produced the joints. BIG difference!

[@killerra]

Right like we might as well put Puff against Suge Knight

[@tusuzbeatz7118]

@@killerra yes Suge, Dame or Lyor Cohen

[@seanharris140]

And they claiming dre producing songs on albums that Dré didn’t produce. Y’all need to stop the hate and nut riding.

[@seanharris140]

All these Dré Tracks y’all talking about got CO PRODUCERS, but y’all saying Puffy ain’t touched nothing. Gtfoh with that one sided lies and approach.

[@tusuzbeatz7118]

@@seanharris140 you ever saw footage of Puff Using a drumashine or him Playing Keyboard? 😂

[@wldfmsp]

Dre is Thanos. Don't forget Dre also did the D.O.C., Michelle and The GAME first albums

[@PromosMakeCents]

No one is playing one song from those first 2 people in a verzuz so it's irrelevant lol He might play one or 2 game songs... If any. But none of this will ever happen.

[@wldfmsp]

@@PromosMakeCents do you even know who they are? Those are two classic albums. However if Dr.Dre vs Diddy happened they would need to expand pass 20 songs to at least 25.

[@PromosMakeCents]

@@wldfmsp yes and u sound silly af. Michelle aint getting played he almost killed her, smh lol DOC lost his voice (similar to beans) and no one would even know a single song from him, they might know the beat he rapped for the song shyne sampled from him called thats gangsta. Do you even know who they are in relation to who Dre has worked with! That's like saying Puffy would use a song from Gina Thompson (sure you dont know who that is lol). Its silly. Like i said he might use 1 or 2 game songs... That's it. Did u have any other questions bud?

[@PromosMakeCents]

@@wldfmsp and they not expanding ish. They play 20 songs and that's it. If they play more they play more but that aint the battle abd u can't be thanos if u can't actually perform thanks

[@Pauxthabeatmaker]

Who you think brought you the oldies? Eazy-E's, Ice Cubes, and D.O.C's The Snoop D-O-double-G's And the group that said, "Motherfuck the police

[@aaronhampton3141]

This Conversation Was So Needed!!! We Need A Part 2 with different Guests!!

[@orionpax85]

I appreciate the convo, it good to see a good debate!

[@annualcheckin4907]

It’s good too see math elevate past battle rap this podcast is really up there with the best of em

[@kingprince8011]

Real

[@In73ll3c7u5]

thass facts

[@lonniepartlowlp]

It's good that he went to another level, but honestly I don't know anything about any of his guests life story. You have to remember most people don't know alot of the guys.

[@miked.336]

And to think… when talking about Dre, they didn’t even name Kendrick and The Game lol. More Wins for Dre > puff

[@tariqabdul681]

Bro they forgetting The D.O.C. Album

[@miked.336]

@@tariqabdul681 facts

[@mlean83]

I was waiting for The Game to be mentioned too

[@JRUSS80]

Didnt mention the DOC, GAME or K DOT

[@silverspoon8656]

This my type of convo, love it 🎶🎙❤️

[@olatokunbootitoju9949]

Nobody touches Dre. He is at that level that nobody is yet to attain. He is the pioneer, the synthesizer and the heavy bomb beats. May be Timbaland can contest but Dre is on another level. With Dre, we had Dre himself, Snoop, Pac, Nate dogg, Eazy E, 50 cent, Eminem, Warren G, Kendrick, Xzibit, The Game... Nobody can battle Dre.

[@dquayvionhamilton412]

Dre didn’t do most of the death row beats Daz did and Dre took credit for beats to and Diddy did the same goin JD all day

[@judahscattered4corners757]

@@dquayvionhamilton412 Yeah yeah yeah Dre is that dude period. Enough of the fairy tales

[@Manahyde]

The only person that come to mind, that could be worthy opponent to Dre, is a Rick Rubin that is allowed to also bring non-rap hits.

[@judahscattered4corners757]

@@Manahyde Dre is thanos

[@abrahampalmer8761]

Very valid point

[@godsongodson7435]

Dre wins hands down

[@SaaayUNCLE]

Missy vs Dre

[@FrequentFlyerRC]

Rza

[@prof3ssor178]

NOOOO COMPARISON ! DR. DRE IS ON A WHOOOLE ANOTHER LEVEL.... HE'S A PERFECTIONIST............ DRE WINS HANDS DOWN COMMON SENSE!!

[@carlphillips3876]

@@prof3ssor178 Yeah, Dre is a composer!!! He’s on a whole different level. I’m not sure if anybody can touch him (especially when it comes to mixing and engineering). Sonically, he’s hard to beat.

[@prof3ssor178]

@@carlphillips3876 Big time....!

[@littletrucc101]

Tip and then 9th?? MEO is nothing but a blessing to the game. Salute!

[@Mathhoffa]

Salute! Please share the vid

[@everettdouglas2326]

I like that!

[@antoniomontana7856]

Love

[@TheColdrush22]

I love these talks so much. 9th is one of my fav humans ever. And any of them could bring out someone from the camp to do a verse of a deceased person in their camp. If Snoop came out and said “Cruisin’ down the street in my six-four…” shit would be over.

[@lovatog14]

9th is a God tier producer himself and he straight up said "leave Dre alone bruh"

[@dominiquejones3805]

It's a lot goin on wit Dr Dre!!! SHOUT 9TH, LB BIZNESS

[@MODERNDAYGRIOT]

9th is a DJ. so he knows what’s up and what should be played and he knows how people have historically reacted to records in certain areas.

[@LossLeadas]

true

[@ninthwonderful]

Thank you brother

[@shyheimparker8433]

That don't mean shit

[@MODERNDAYGRIOT]

@@shyheimparker8433 habeus corpus shyheim. Habeus corpus

[@MODERNDAYGRIOT]

@@ninthwonderful oh shit it’s 9th!

[@markbyrd1775]

NY is super prideful and I love it! Be proud of where you’re from… but NOBODY is beating Dre…. Unless you pulling in Quincy Jones lol

[@katlegomasoeu7993]

Facts..

[@kh7688]

You're speaking those real facts now.

[@twilitezn]

IMMA add 2 things in support of THIS : - Dre isn’t JUST a producer....he was/is a World CLASS DJ! He knows how to work a crowd from behind the tables...you just don’t lose that! - I LOVE 9th Wonder...but I am AGHAST that he forgot to mention what I consider the FIRST modern produced hip hop album : “No One Can Do It Better”, by The D.O.C.....that album is STILL a banger, and STILL ahead of its time....it was the first album, for me, that sounded DIFFERENT, a complete departure from what had come before...the difference between SOC and NCDIB is stark to me...

[@boondocks211]

Jd and dre where dj, puff jus got dudes pressing buttons....

[@theonlyking9]

Facts, idk why they’re debating it.

[@kalonjicoleman5183]

Great discussion 👍🏆

[@mr.jenkins3553]

@16:06 "He's not talking to Dre the same way he's talking to Jermaine...Move out the way!" 😂💀💯

[@Quandryification]

First of all...if this happens im wearing timberlands with dickies with LBC T-shirt and NY Yankees hat.

[@tavaresthomas6016]

🤣🤣🤣 see what you did there

[@rapsta2255]

11:50 _"French is relevant now and signed to Puff!_ 😎" 🤦🏾‍♂️ Dude sounded too confident. He forgot Kendrick is signed to Dre.

[@ochomunna270]

No one should put French in the same sentence as Kendrick. Kendrick is Drake level successful, French is Tyga.

[@paulperry1489]

Man this is good conversation

[@stephenkinq5425]

This Segment was on Point ... When The God's of the game are so Outstanding!! The debate makes sense on all opinions.

[@kaii231]

There was a period where jd was behind everything. Kris Kross, da brat, bow wow, xscape, jagged edge, usher, Monica, Mariah Carey etc... He has a ton of hits

[@JamesCH08]

Yeah JD is underrated, I didn't remember Ja Rule had that many hits till this last Versus. JD will probably surprise allot of people.

[@derrickwashington9522]

R&B hits.

[@DjMikeiam]

TLC!

[@khalilshakur3402]

@@JamesCH08 that’s my argument. His surprises

[@The34thPsalm]

Yes 👏🏼

[@maddslander7359]

In Da Club's the National Anthem to every Birthday Party, way bigger Song (Hit) than Victory is

[@Juk3n]

But it ain't bigger than Mo Money Mo problems or One More Chance Remix. Real talk.

[@TRILLTALKTV]

@@Juk3n yeah it is. grandparents knows that song

[@redmanjohnson4616]

@@Juk3n ....lol What?? Yes it is way bigger

[@ExtraordinaireTheGreat]

Is executive produced or produced ? For instance Easy Mo Bee produced “Flava In ya Ear” I thought … Puff just talked on the track… does that count?

[@asimnicholsmusic]

Actually a very good discussion.

[@alexgrayafc49]

Puff Vs Dre literally will break the internet

[@dawb86]

True but it will also be embarrassing for Diddy and that’s without Dre even trying lol

[@alexgrayafc49]

@@dawb86 I agree lol

[@thapowerexchange]

Literally

[@dfree1442]

@@dawb86 You trippin'.

[@dawb86]

@@dfree1442 Tell me what records you think are undeniable from Diddy and I'll give you one that will not only beat it but you'll have a hard time thinking of another one that will lol

[@JsiadiNoon]

Ain’t nobody fucking with Dre! And I’m from the east coast especially if the sound system on point issa body bag

[@lm3939]

What about timbaland?

[@erickjohnson6438]

Well said Math

[@kincamell2]

Much Gratitude

[@dakidcolombiano]

Lol that’s mad outta pocket!! Puff tellin JD “get out tha way & go holla at Pharrell” 😩🤣😭

[@garrenedwards5376]

So DRE is going to have The Up In Smoke Avengers on his side to call on plus 50 and 2pac songs . That’s nasty 🔥🔥🔥

[@leedza]

Don't sleep on JD. His catalogue is deep. Puff has an edge for hip hop however, JD was holding Atlanta and the South since the early 90s. It would be an interesting Verzuz.

[@javiercarrion6843]

Damn yo this is a good ass debate on some great producers. What about Q-tip who does he get in a producer verses

[@Muziq103]

Did I just hear a room full of hip hop and battle rap head say that ACTUALLY WRITING doesn't give JD more steam in a verzuz??? Idc what record Diddy has, the fact that he has nothing to do with the production or writing of ANY of them (for the most part) automatically lowers how well they'd do in a battle for me. As far as I'm concerned all Diddy did was cut a check majority of his career.

[@slycooper1979]

If we looking at it from a true hip hop perspective yes. If you looking at it like “who’s name is associated to the better hits” puffy wins. Idk if I explained that correctly

[@MosheXX]

Not really. Whether he wrote it produced it or not if it’s his song it’s his song. It only really comes down to the actual songs and if you can perform them well enough to win over the crowd. I don’t see how JD wins in that setting

[@shoptalkconvo-mak1471]

Yeah you heard them say that.. And what you heard is called "Eastcoast bias"

[@501Caution]

@@MosheXX JD is the Remix king! But Puff makes everybody party & move even if they can't dance.

[@King-ns6dw]

@@MosheXX well said. JD cannot win, he can't mix it up. I don't wanna be hearing any mariah carey or usher after one more chance has been played, or all about the Benjamins then jd is gonna play xscape...fuck outta of here

[@Drtyred313]

as far as dancing and performing JERMAINE DUPREE STARTED AS A DANCER…Whodini (FreshFest 1984)…So that’s 50/50

[@popi2971]

So did diddy, he was dancing in videos and doing choreography

[@alanpage4075]

JD is definitely a better dancer than Puff. He could start doing windmills and all type of shit LOL

[@cfromupdablock7609]

Everything 9th said... personally as far as innovators go, he’s a contender himself and I’d like to see him go against Alchemist,

[@freddiebrock6740]

I love how they keep going back to Ushers Confession. High-school senior when Usher dropped that. Straight bangers.

[@PeterCarr.H]

Dr Dre is Thanos for sure. Diddy is Tony Stark he’s got a 1 in 14 thousand chance to win.

[@Zaferino1]

Lmao

[@katlegomasoeu7993]

OMG😅😅😅😅😅💣💣💣🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@jairoportillo3932]

Iron man still pulled it off tho lol

[@BrillanteXO]

Dre can technically do ALL of Kendricks songs... Aftermath Records

[@dawb86]

"Lay Low," "Bitch Please," "What's the Difference." I lowkey want to see him humble the fuck out of Diddy now lol!

[@malod]

Yo that's some curve ball shit if I ever seen one. They would never be ready for that.

[@DigitalV4]

@@dawb86 💯

[@NoLimitDirk]

He can not beat Diddy wit ALL kdot songs you whylin

[@BrillanteXO]

@@NoLimitDirk in ADDITION TO the rest of his catalog?! 🤣 okay.

[@IslamRapGod]

“Don’t wanna stand in the room with him and some Ciroc” 😂

[@GuapoSantana]

Diddy going to playing records he not even affiliated with🤣🤣🤣

[@frankgatesjr.4815]

Michel'le's "Something In My Heart" would cripple everything Total or Carl Thomas ever made. Janet Jackson's records that was produced by JD would cripple everything R&B made by Bad Boy or with MJB during her Uptown MCA too

[@stevehines5234]

I need whatever you smokin bruh 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️☠️

[@dominiquejones3805]

Truth Hurts joint, Noc Turnal

[@chad-jamierigaud3033]

That "French Record" is an Uncle Luke record!

[@darrylwatkins2335]

Tell ‘em!

[@MrScrooge1980]

A lot of heat Dre produced for Busta too over the years, Truck Volume and don't forget the whole Busta album damn near!

[@DeeMaxum]

Side Convo: how about Nottz vs Alchemist??

[@lyfestile7]

They're crediting records to Puff that EASY MO BEE did

[@fuckallthat]

The disrespect for jd is unreal

[@MrScrooge1980]

On da realz

[@truthiscensored]

They still think the South is slow. New Yorkers always hate on the south, but quick to move there

[@juskeaton]

This is my favorite clip! Lot of east coast bias but this was a dope what if scenario.

[@theodorecaldwell6228]

Don't forget about the Doc album

[@pculiarmuzik3496]

Dre's got legendary albums with legendary acts like NWA, Eazy, The D.O.C, Snoop, Pac, Em, and 50...whole albums. Along with big hits from legends like Mary, Eve, The Firm and Kendrick. Puff has classic whole albums as well, both Hip Hop and R&B from BIG, MA$E and Mary. So many of his own legendary artists like Faith Evans, Craig Mack, Black Rob, The LOX, French Montana, 112, Total and Carl Thomas. I didn't even mention Dre's Michel'le hits and Turn Off The Lights...and all of Puff's Jodeci shit. Then they both have acts that don't even get mentioned like Tha Dogg Pound, Rage, Shyne, G Dep and even MGK. No loser here...too many hits on both sides.

[@ChampHere]

Best comment I’ve seen so far..

[@wiljones2500]

Puff didn't produce no off them at all

[@Kruniq]

Puffy got hits but Dre got them bangers. Puffy loses in this world and the alternate universe

[@truthiscensored]

New Edition was on Bad Boy too

[@n8tivsole]

And people don’t even recall this one Dre… The Game

[@Poetryforstoners]

Math drop this episode nigga!!!😭😭😭 this preview was litt!!!

[@oxhdmgui]

I'm in day 3 of fucking w these podcasts. Within the 1st 45 seconds, knghz go crazy w the content. Im loving this shit.

[@jayevans6077]

This was a great video. Puff should focus on JD. I think that would be a good versus. And yes, Dre is Thanos. Dre's NWA stuff would destroy any competition let alone Puff. Always in to something is untouchable even in today's standards. 100 miles and runnin? It's over. Lmao.

[@lovatog14]

People forget about Dre's stuff on the efil4zaggiN album, the beats on that record are insane.

[@ydrew3495]

Dre could bring out Eve, Kendrick, Scarface, Ice Cube (Natural Born Killas) Dre has bigger hits with Jay. But Puffy needs to worry about Jermaine.

[@topdogg8244]

Don't forget nas

[@jefferybarefield6372]

Em and 50 and Snoop

[@dfree1442]

But Puffy has Biggie, The Lox, Mase, and Lil Kim. Dre getting smoked

[@prongs1998ggmu]

@@jefferybarefield6372 there's no em song that gets played at a Dre versus. and I love em

[@tellmesomething2412]

@@dfree1442 Tupac... NWA is equal to Lox, Kendrick > Mase. Lil Kim < Eminem. Tupac is equal, if not better than Biggie.

[@crich95]

the straight up silence after "he's thanos" said it all

[@JacobStayViben]

Lmfaooo 9th Face @ 8:32. Math Buggin

[@raymondtobinjr8263]

Dudes forget Dre can dig into his Joel Ortiz, Busta, Eve, Michelle’

[@killaskeem]

Easy E Pac Kendrick 🙄

[@jefcergos]

Endless angles. Completely too much lol. 9th was right to compare him to Thanos. And Verzuz don't allow Avengers haha.

[@MrWARBUCKS24]

Dre ain't playing none of that shit tho

[@MichaelBrown-ti1un]

I forgot. Something in my Heart by Michel'le is an iconic record. That might beat one of Puff's 112 or MJB records. It's only 20 rounds. If Dre can neutralize an r&b Bad Boy remix or two, it could get ugly. Nothing outside of Puff's Biggie catalogue is beating anything from Dre's hip hop bag. You play Flava in Your Ear, I can counter with Keep Their Heads Ringing or Boyz n The Hood by Eazy-E.

[@chicosworld]

Did a few Toni Braxton songs too

[@Jmega1999]

Yeah that Diddy vs Dre would be something serious... Can I get a 9th vs. Alchemist on some deep cut $hit in a poorly lit basement club tho!

[@dmelvin5858]

Don't do 9th like that. Alchemist is all these dudes father. Al still drop classics yearly to this day. I love them both but Alchemist is the god respectively. I think 9th wonder vs Bink would be good.

[@shahawndonaldson9674]

I'm on the Southeast of the map and respect Puffy cause he put out some big artists but Dr. Dre is untouchable dude is a monster when it comes to production and putting out quality music,from Ruthless to Death Row to Aftermath records and the year's he's been around from the 80's up until now,,,smdh,they don't call Dre the Dr. for nothing 💯💯

[@noble78b]

Dr Dre has too many records. That Scarface track with Ice Cube on the hook. "Lord please murder my enemies, burn'em at a 1000 degrees.." With that Bruce Lee beat... come on man.. What are we talking about here.. 🔥🔥

[@nasaihyana]

Close but I'm going JD...He actually makes the beats and writes not just orchestrating hits

[@sontwisted]

Thats not what the competition is its just the songs

[@nasaihyana]

@@sontwisted bruh the competition is the greatest hits that the artist is associated with i.e produced, wrote, performed, or featured on. If it was just the songs then why don't they play any song from any artist?? If you have no involvement in the the songs creation then what are you competing about?? So if you have more involvement then you should get more credit for the song right??

[@sontwisted]

@@nasaihyana and when your listening you only care about who the song is attributed to and how hype it gets you not who technically wrote the lyrics or who technically made that beat

[@Davey1522]

Orchestrating hits is a double meaning 😂😂😂

[@Cymatic18]

BRO!!!! You got 9th???? This becoming my favorite KZbin channel real quick!!!

[@Mathhoffa]

Salute! Subscribe!

[@Magnetic1908]

Dre hands down… Puff is an entertainer with good ears but Dr Dre is a DJ, producer and mix engineer with golden ears.

[@th3thiiird3y3]

I think I hold this sentiment with Ye as well. (Dre being almost near impossible to win against.) Ye and Pharrell would be the most you can do. But I don't think JD can edge out Pharrell. Yall understand if Pharrell plays one specific song, even 5 year olds are favoring him. 😂

[@crg5]

From the rump shaker, grindin, super thug, happy, and bag u want Pharrell in

[@BrillanteXO]

" Dre aint playing CHARLENE son" lmao

[@kayyrobin958]

Just because Diddy’s artists passed, doesn’t mean Dre can’t bring his artist out because they are a part of his music catalog.

[@tatertots0046]

The thing is Dre *NEEDS* Snoop, Em, 50 etc because Dre can't perform worth a shit.

[@cyrusgill1594]

Agreed

[@Bud_Jablonski]

@@tatertots0046 🧢 clearly never watched him on stage.

[@tatertots0046]

@@Bud_Jablonski Dre is a terrible performer

[@pastense]

I lean towards Dre. But yeah, performance is definitely his weak point. Not to mention his recent health issues, his energy may not be up to par.

[@godmerlos6103]

The 20’somgs should be PRODUCED by the artist the actual Beatmaker !!!!

[@focuz4899]

Dre also produced for one of the most incredible MC's to ever do it. The D.O.C.

[@bertyoung8889]

This Diddy Combs JD verzuz match chatter is hilarious. When verzuz started, two guys played songs/music that they ACTUALLY produced. I believe their names were Swiss Beats & Timbaland. Diddy is an executive producer, JD is a RECORD producer. Big difference. Does Diddy have a vaster executive production catalog? Clearly. If Diddy was asked to play songs wherein he was involved in creating the actual music - he'd have 0 songs to play.

[@klegrand9595]

Exactly!!! Diddy good at putting people on but he hasn’t produced one beat.

[@dariusjones7006]

I agree and JD should’ve said the same thing himself when people were dismissing him

[@XeviousvSBlackmanta]

@@dariusjones7006 He did in a recent live with Fat Joe and Snoop Dogg.

[@JustMe-ws2pe]

figgity facts

[@thecoach11]

Bert Young 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾💯💯💯🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@St23Vincent]

If Puff play that French “Pop that” Dre is dropping “Bitches ain’t shit but hoes n tricks” 🤷🏾‍♂️ lmao Dre catalog is dummy

[@CedRockStarr]

puff ain’t produce that shit. shit don’t even sound like puff

[@justinbryant2280]

That was Uncle Luke not Puff

[@CedRockStarr]

@@justinbryant2280 the original was luke. not french’s song

[@lnapjr76]

If Diddy has to play French anything, he's already lost.

[@redmanjohnson4616]

@@lnapjr76 ...lol Right

[@BanDiLL]

Dre we love you... When this man passes(and i knock on wood for this) He leaves a legacy and a culture he almost built half/quarter of it, Still. 1. King

[@noname1878]

No matter what the outcome will be won’t change what happened when they dropped those music. That’s why we are a fan through and through. Big ups to both JD and Diddy

[@SabrumBaker]

Dre wins easily. He could only use his 3 albums alone and it still wouldn’t be fair. He can only use 2-3 of his own artists. Bro I love Kanye, Premier, RZA, Diddy all of them but they aren’t touching Dre. He’s just different. That’s both my west coast bias and just knowing better smh 😂😂😂😂

[@THEsoulquarian]

Yup 100%

[@dawb86]

These niggas done completely forgot Dre can play Boyz n the Hood, Dopeman, Express Yourself, It's Funky Enough and still ain't even got out the 80s. Hell, he can even play some Michel'le "No More Lies" and I'd be going crazy lol!

[@hohepahape8625]

You know preem got over a thousand records right

[@dawb86]

@@hohepahape8625 That's who I always thought Dre should've went at it with in the first place. Classic East meets West. Now that it's become so large though, I think in a live setting Dre would get Premier too though assuming the battle is done in netural territory to avoid favoritism...

[@hohepahape8625]

@@dawb86 thats the only versuz that makes sense with dre everyone else getting smoked

[@DeeboComing]

Man I didn't know 9th was this popular. I been listening to his beats since back in like 2012 and 13 that he made for a dude who made Madden videos named Dreamkillas. Crazy how big he's become now. His beats was so soulful 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾

[@birdycanflyy2912]

I need that song from the intro!!!!

[@SuperJamesII]

I wanna see Camplo vs Clips