A 22nd Century Dreadnought: Vulcan D'kyr class

[@SuperGamefreak18]

I always saw the Vulcan ships being so large because they were all warp drive and warp core but it also meant they had powerful shields and weapons for the time

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah makes sense. Look at the vents on the D'kyr

[@williammcconville4967]

Seems like a logical approach to a ship design.

[@alexandercaires5921]

Never knew how large Vulcan's go to ship is compared to TNG ships. Man, that thing is massive.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah those are big old beasts

[@tullyDT]

The 22nd century is my favourite era in terms of ship design. In all other series there is an element of sameness where shapes are reused. I'm really looking forward to the next instalment

[@chriscepec1655]

I agree. Unfortunately they didn't have the budget for CG as it was extremely expensive back then

[@warrenreid6109]

I wish that they would do the Romulan war in a two movie set. Big budget CG would make this ship and others pop.

[@enoughothis]

I love the D'Kyr! The folding ring warp drive is so unique and elegant. If there is one model I wish Eaglemoss would redo it's the D'Kyr.

[@A407RAC]

Redo? I haven't got their current version, is it not as good? 😭

[@enoughothis]

@@A407RAC, sadly no. There are many quality control issues with that, separation of the halves of the model and very low detail, it's also on the smaller end of their models. The Warp engine itself is not painted nor are the Impulse engines. It's like Eaglemoss phoned it in for the D'Kyr, which is sad because usually they do such fine work. I absolutely love the NX refit.

[@A407RAC]

@@enoughothis Aw :( I have most of the Enterprise era Eaglemoss models including the NX-01, Surak class, Kumari, Klingon BoP, and they are such beautiful ships. What would it recommend in the Eaglemoss line yourself, especially in the XL?

[@enoughothis]

@@A407RAC, the NX refit if you haven't got it. Detailed, high quality, fairly large but not quite an XL, and just a beautiful ship.

[@A407RAC]

@@enoughothis I'll defs have to get one - their NX-01 is utterly beautiful. I've found a full sized NX-01 model that's been extremely professionally done, lighting and all, so hopefully I can that baby as well - she's almost 20 inches long

[@alanmike6883]

I did think Vulcan ships were rather cool looking though very powerful it seemed clear that one weakness was mobility in combat

[@RiderofRiddermark]

I just realised that the Vulcan/Romulan doctrine of attaching smaller auxiliary craft to their largest battleships to "hitch a ride" is reminiscent of remoras attaching to sharks to feed on their scraps. Quite ingenious honestly.

[@Self-replicating_whatnot]

This ship was built to send a message: "Live long and prosper, so long as you f*ck off and stay there"

[@boqndimitrov8693]

Star Trek: Enterprise left us with many pleasant emotions, characters, and..impressive ship designs! What else would we have seen if they hadn't "killed" the series?

[@rohenthar8449]

Agree. Enterprise ships was lovely compared to this horrendous Discovery ones (except some from 32 century).

[@VampireDragon9]

Love the Vulcan ships wish we saw more of them!

[@neganrex5693]

Thank you for bringing this ship to light. I really enjoyed watching this video on it. It really is the war bird of it's day. Thanks again for covering this beast of a ship.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

The D'kyr is indeed a 22nd century beast. I didn't consider the similarities between the D'kyr & D'deridex before but in retrospect it does make sense for some commonalties. It makes me wonder if that tactic was used as far back as during the Vulcan sundering. You got me curious of a sort of "Battle of Dreadnoughts" between a D'kyr & a Narcine (The Xindi-Aquatic ship). Also, there should be more warp ring ships in Trek.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

That would be cool. I think there are warp rings but on civilian vessels.

[@ThePuppywolf]

Well, don't forget that in Enterprise we see a tri ringed Vulcan ship in Danials' holo-storage. Clearly the Vulcans are maintaining their own fleet of ships well into the 28th(?) century

[@rohenthar8449]

@@ThePuppywolf Every member retain their own fleet to some degree, but mainly for home defense and internal purposes. STO shows it quite nicely, especially when it comes to Caitian Atrox carrier, but STO is not a part of the canon, sadly.

[@ThePuppywolf]

@@rohenthar8449 This was my point. every member world folded some resources into the Starfleet, but still kept their own planetary/colony ships.

[@paulbeaney4901]

I've just had a thought. In "broken bow", T'pol is very concerned by a small error in the Enterprise's course to Kronos, yet the human crew laughed it off. Maybe this is because she is used to a ship that literally can't manoeuvre at warp. So, the vulcans developed a very strict SOP for navigation. Forgetting the NX01, can infact turn 🤣🤣.

[@ElderNewt]

This is why the Vulcans were very shocked when one of these ships were found basically defeated. Until there was an investigation the idea of a ship like this losing was nigh impossible

[@Hathor1991]

The D’kyr and Kumari are my favorite ships, love the bronze color of the Vulcan ships.

[@ISAF_Ace]

The biggest disadvantages of this ship are quite clear however, with the Vulcans focusing of large warships in the 22nd century of all places, the numbers they can field are going to be very limited. With their navy even seeming to only really go for the D'kyr in an offensive aspect, they're going to be heavily outnumbered in every encounter and will suffer for it. The loss of single D'kyr would have been devastating as it represents a significant portion of their naval strength, its why the high command was so interested in the loss of the Seleya. Sure if we assume that a war between the andorians and vulcans would be like Jutland, then the vulcan focus on heavy combatants would allow it to absorb heavier losses much like the royal navy did; but the andorians don't focus on heavy capital ships and it isn't world war 1. The andorians having much larger numbers of more manoeuvrable warships would allow them to throw more ships at a D'kyr and exploit its less than adequate weapon coverage. This is even seen when a D'kyr is overwhelmed by 4 small tholian craft, their manoeuvrability and near technological parody with the vulcans allowed them to very quickly overwhelm and disable it. I imagine that this would repeat itself if they had been a similar number of Romulan raptors. The Vulcans also wouldn't be able to as easily absorb losses in the face of superior andorian numbers which I have no doubt they would exploit. My reasoning for the Vulcans arcs of fire being inadequate is the battle in Kir'Shara where an andorian force, which should have been overwhelmed quickly, survives by going into CQB with Vulcans. In a prolonged war against the andorians, the Vulcans wouldn't have been able to sustain losses, and the casualty adverse high command wouldn't have accepted them anyway. The D'kyr is the right ship in the wrong era.

[@guillermomartinez1752]

Fantastic work! I look forward to see how the andorians find a Way to at least confront this Behemoth of a ship

[@jhallam2011]

I don’t know why but I was shocked when this Beast showed on Enterprise!

[@lynngreen7978]

Thank you for doing more 22nd century ships

[@warrenreid6109]

If the Vulcans had entered the Romulan war on day one with this monster it would've been a Romulan slaughter.

[@jeffhallam2004]

Venom rocks!

[@armorer94]

The Shi'ran seems to take some design cues from 50's Oldsmobile hood ornaments...

[@dragonhound3706]

Long term sto player here On STO it's a Tier 5 ship and it's pretty good for a T5

[@ThePuppywolf]

Yeah, its a science focused class that can punch above its weight. and the Tal-kir boosts its shields when deployed making it a very tanky shield boat with relatively good maneuverability compared to the tipical lumbering cruisers of the same tier.

[@TimothyChapman]

I have a 22nd century design that's 637 meters in length. I wasn't really trying to beat-out the Vulkans in terms of ship lengths when I made my ship. It just so happened that the unit conversions put its length at 637 meters. However, my ship *is* officially classified as a battleship with comparable technology, so it might be able to go 1v1 against the D`kyr. Assuming my vessel doesn't fire nearly 200 antimatter warheads at the K'kyr on its first volley.

[@jamessullivan7692]

Somewhere I read online about the Vulcan doctrine concerning the concerning the cling lines that due to previous encounters with them they had standing orders when they would encounter a klingon ship

[@robertbarrows6687]

I have no problem with the Vulcan's having humongous ships for the 22nd Century. They were basically THE Superpower of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants and had been so for centuries at this point, the only true competitor being the Klingons who are pound for pound weaker than they are. I mean even in the 24th Century their own personal Starfleet was fielding fricking Star Destroyer sized ships (considering how one compared to the Cerritos) and they still maintained the technological edge over the rest of the people in the Federation.

[@madrabbit9007]

The Aquatic ships have to be slow and hard to maneuver because they are full of water! That's a whole lot of mass all by itself that you have to sling around. As a result of dealing with all that mass I bet they are in fact very tough ships.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

But they aren't well armoured

[@gigagian]

Here here! Add to that all the additional pressure differentials that Aquatic ships must deal with just to maintain their liquid environment, then you got yourself one extremely tough hull as is necessary.

[@madrabbit9007]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 perhaps not but given the life they are supporting they have to be tough.

[@ThePuppywolf]

@@madrabbit9007 Agreed, and we see one get absolutely smashed in the battle with the Enterprise against the reptilians. the view-ports shatter and water spills out into space, but the hull itself was almost untouched

[@rohenthar8449]

@@madrabbit9007 No, they are quite fragile (as we see in Enterprise episode where Narcine is literally shattered), but they compensate it by powerful shields and integrity fields. Also, Narcine is in my opinion more of a mobile base or a carrier than a stand alone battleship.

[@captainyossarian388]

Love the D'Kyr. Love your vids, dude.

[@rodan9773]

Imagine if Humanity invented Hyper Drive not Warp Drive and developed with out The Vulcans then after Building a Massive Interstellar Naval Fleet and Military they then encountered The Adorian's first i wonder what would happen. Respect and keep up the epic work.

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

Andorian and Humans Duke it out a bit, gain a mutual respect and become allies as they essentially think alike and get along with each other quite well. The vulcans naturally freak the hell out and decide to do what they usually do being the total jerks they are and humanity tries to act as a middle man and negotiator between them the vulcans and andorian working something out

[@nealsterling8151]

The funny thing is the Vulcan D'kyr in Star trek online is a science ship, which means it has less weapons than a comparable Starfleet Cruiser and ony a Lt Tactical Bridge officer seat (which means it's tactical abilities are basically non existent) and is VERY science heavy (space magic). Whereas is should have decent firepower. One has to understand that in Star Trek online even old ships are made to be on par with modern ships. One exception was the Galaxy Class, which was neglected by the devs for almost a decade and was one of the most firepower less ships in Starfleet, even the Excelsior had more firepower, lol.

[@barrybend7189]

actually in the 22nd century Andorians have the best shields. Vulcans it's sensors and tractor beams. the NX refit uses Andorian shields.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

but if I remember right the vulcans weren't too far behind andorian shield, tellerite and vulcan shielding were probably 2nd and 3rd place in shielding tech

[@lowellleber1722]

You are most likely correct. But never began a sentence with actually.

[@matthewboyd3653]

I LOVE this ship!

[@shanenolan8252]

Cheers, you had me with the title

[@rohenthar8449]

D'kyr in STO is for ZEN (or at least it was), not in boxes, so no luck involved here.

[@merafirewing6591]

Maybe have a look at that futuristic Vulcan starship seen in one of the ENT episodes. Also that survey ship attached to the D'kyr looks like a hand Phaser with guards attached to it to protect your hand.

[@Nostripe361]

Talking about a hypothetical war between the Vulcans and Andorians makes me interested to see you do some videos on alternate timelines/what ifs in the star trek world. Like another alien race being the first contact with humans. I feel that if any other species met humans first, the human would probably be more militaristic since any of the other powers in the region would value the more Terran aspects of human culture. Even if they conquer the Earth, they would still probably prefer humans as aggressive and cunning foot soldiers instead of as workers.

[@spudz7405]

Wood cool vid

[@christopher5723]

"Combat cruiser" sounds like the kind of political games that lead to the UK's through-deck cruisers, or how the Zumwalt class are officially DDs despite being heavier, longer, and slightly beamier than the Royal Navy's last predreadnaught class, the Lord Nelson class. A cool follow on from the Vulcan fleet tactics and doctrine would be a video on the influence of Vulcan and Andorian tactics and doctrine on Starfleet of the 22nd and 23rd C.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Good point although the two approaches are in many ways incompatible

[@nekophht]

In all fairness, ship types get larger over time. The USN's early battleships in the 1890s were ~10k tons. By the 1920s, "heavy" cruisers capped at 10k tons. By the 1940s, the Cleveland-class light cruisers were 10k tons. And these days, guided missile destroyers clock in around 10k tons. As for political games... the UK's "large light cruisers" comes to mind. ;) That being said, Vulcans like to put themselves forward as peaceful, etc. As such, I would be surprised if they'd ever (at least by the time of First Contact with humanity) designate something as a dreadnought or battleship or the like. So what happens if they have a design that would qualify as such? Calling it a "combat cruiser" is a good way to sidestep the issue by making it sound like one of their regular designs, but angled more towards fighting. In a similar way, I mentally redesignate all Starfleet dreadnoughts/"battleships" as "large cruisers" since they generally seem to be based on established cruiser design styles and it sounds less warlike than battleship or dreadnought, which would be important to getting funding from Federation Parliament. Because battleships, battlecruisers, and dreadnoughts implies a "battle fleet," which is the opposite of what the Federation wants to appear as (peaceful) to the wider galaxy.

[@ThePuppywolf]

@@nekophht Oh, like the defiant is an "escort" while being a warship? that kind of side stepping?

[@nekophht]

@@ThePuppywolf In that case, I like to think the project was originally for a "destroyer escort" (what the USN called frigates during WW2-ish time frame). Reports started shorthanding it to "escort" and eventually the briefer term stuck as the official designation for the project. I mean, what are they going to call it otherwise to designate it a warship? Destroyer? Cruiser? Frigate? Terms already in use. Battleship? Not remotely powerful enough to count. What do escorts do? Use force to defend what they're escorting. If it's to "hide" it's a warship, whoever was actually fooled needs to retire. ;)

[@ThePuppywolf]

@@nekophht Hey, no matter the century, politicians will use whatever terms are needed to fool other politicians and side step rules! hehe.

[@elcowabungahe-man6156]

Great video this ship's remind me of the Mon Calamari Cruiser from Star Wars. Friend a question your going to continue the Dominion war take care

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah very similar shape too.

[@TheWoblinGoblin]

How starfleet seemingly took over from those national fleets could be a cool story. If Vulcan still built ships like this we wouldn't have nebulas full of vulcans

[@ashleycross7593]

"sir, the enemy ship has opened fire on us" "Main battery full power *"SURVEY" THEM*"

[@alanmike6883]

Imagine if the andorians met humanity first. Taught and helped with ship development. Would the xindi crises go better? Would a human vassal of the andorian empire have helped Tip the scales?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah but they'd probably turn humanity into a vassal

[@alanmike6883]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I think the andorians saw a lot of similarities in the pink skins

[@ThePuppywolf]

@@alanmike6883 I think that was only after fighting alongside them though. Initially I got the impression the Andorians looked down on humanity as primitive nuisances to be tolerated.

[@shanenolan8252]

I forgot to say wasn't this ship the biggest vessel untill the 24th century around the dominion period, they made a new version of it bigger and state of the art , i imagine it was a reaction to the romulan attempted invasion the borg and dominion treat , logically it was the most dangerous period since the federation was founded. ?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Possibly I more saw it as a vulcan response to the galaxy class. A long range scientific class.

[@mackenziebeeney3764]

The D’Kyr was a beast in its time and probably a decent ship if refitted up through much later eras. If you ignore the mirror universe of a TOS Constitution destroying two easily.

[@starrellington7942]

I would love to have an Akira with a few more phasers and cloak with 2 K'Vort class battle ships with aft torpedoes that would be a awesome little squadron

[@deplorabledreg8757]

Problem with folding the warp ring. There is a shaft in the way

[@Noxalon]

i realize im late to this video but where does this info come from?

[@marsar1775]

despite my eternal simmering strong dislike for vulcans as a species, i cannot help but respect the Dkyr to do otherwise means death looking forward to the kumari!

[@ThomazPRdeAndrade]

How many NX was build in Theo years 2153 a 2173...

[@ThePuppywolf]

in cannon? 4. two on screen and two others discussed on screen. Edited for spelling

[@jyralnadreth4442]

The D'Kyr's shields are more likely second best....the Xindi Aquatics are top but their ships namely the Mothership is much much rarer than the D'Kyr. The Tal Kyr also resembles the Oberth's Sensor boat configuration

[@mikesmith7815]

Well here's a question for you to think on I get that they can only afford so many actors to play in these movies is crew people but these ships are supposed to be so big so massive and hold hundreds of crew but we only ever see just a handful of people and it's like if this was real life and you tried to run a ship of that size on a crew compliment you I'll be dead because there is not enough crew

[@jamessullivan7692]

I got cut off I apologize about that but when they would Encounter a cling on ship that they had standing orders or thereabouts they just opened fire on it and never gave the warlike people of the klingon's an opportunity to be Belligerent I thought that that was pretty cool. rent and given the Valcan pinched For logic and no nonsense BS no nonsense yes this made total sense and and watching the enterprise show it seems that the klingons had quite a bit of respect for the Vulcan's

[@roberthooper77]

Have you ever considered doing content for the Stargate universe? They have some pretty excellent ships. Just a thought.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

im actually in the middle of a stargate binge right now. im tempted but the algorythim wouldn't like it.

[@IronMan-kz8tg]

Always thought warp nacelles we're the ' sitting ducks ' of the ship .

[@lenkautsugi5747]

What I like to know is klingon d5 vs vulcan d'kyr who will win in a fight

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

D'kyr easily

[@joeswanson733]

and we see the constitution class uss defiant that was just a little bigger than an nx-01 destroy a mirror vulcan cruiser that looked a lot like a d'kry class with 6 torpedoes... lol

[@ThePuppywolf]

Its actually not that far different than US Carrier Groups. one massive carrier and a supporting group of cruisers, destroyers, and submarines.

[@LastAyleidKing]

T5 zen ship Not super big compared to a lot of STO ships Very large compared to Archers enterprise

[@iamanevutable981]

Hey, now. That's not a dreadnought. That would be a cruiser. Dreadnoughts, as the name suggests, are massive. The Enterprise E is bigger than the D'Kyr

[@_Omega_Weapon]

Mate, you completely butchered the name MAR-TEEN-EZ😂