As a dwarf player, I don’t know why I watched 3 hours about magic, seems like some elf nonsense. But I had a good time watching it! Great job guys, looking forward to more deep dives!
@Sandrip392611 ай бұрын
You've got to bring a good honest immovable grudgin anvil.
@zeldaaddicted668611 ай бұрын
Know thy enemy.
@user-vd5wh7cj2e9 ай бұрын
I'm also a Dwarf player and I'm watching this to understand magic better so I can defeat magic.
@ComandaKronikk3 ай бұрын
Just another Elgi scheme... there will be no alliance with elves, only a reckoning!
@Nekorook Жыл бұрын
Every deep dive needs to start with the submarine noise. Arguably the double awoooga. Val’s fuck up just established a new precedent.
@SquareBasedOldWorld Жыл бұрын
The double is serious
@GlodansYT Жыл бұрын
I wish I could live life with half the enthusiasm Val puts into his interpretive dance intros.
@TrippyTheShroom Жыл бұрын
It breaths life into my day.
@logandaley154410 ай бұрын
This is the first Warhammer product I’ve ever bought. I’m putting together a force for a local escalation league to help learn the rules so this is a big help.
@ClaudiosCollection Жыл бұрын
I watch your videos more than once... sometimes more than three times! I love your videos! I can listen to you geeks talk-Hammer all day, over and over again! Keep up the great work!
@SquareBasedOldWorld Жыл бұрын
I think we're ok with this? Should we start using a safe word?
@Legion_of_the_bland Жыл бұрын
The more of these you put out the more i'm tempted to give old world a try. Love watching you guys bounce off each other with such great enthusiasm ❤
@anderslundtoft2315 Жыл бұрын
You have now been my favorite Old world channel! Keep em coming! :D
@StrengthHammer Жыл бұрын
Love you Val! Thanks for coming on my show last week! You two continue crush it!
@SimplyWarhammer Жыл бұрын
Im new to the Old World and watching 😁 really excited to get in and ive chosen Dwarfs as my 1st army. Enjoying the content, thanks
@warpaintjj8 ай бұрын
Third watch, still learning every time 👍 Deep dive on Lizards please… 🙏
@joshvikis9993 Жыл бұрын
1 hour after dropping I've already enjoyed 3 hours of pure and unadulterated joy. #Squareblessed
@rosvall2168 ай бұрын
The deep dive intro, it made my day!
@TheVigilante2000 Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind the Phantasmagoria only triggers at the end of the enemies movement. So they have a chance to dispel, and move away from it before it even can make them Impetuous or Panic (and Impetuous can't even trigger turn one).
@Alfindeol Жыл бұрын
This was what I was coming here to say. Even if you plop it down turn one and the trigger it by moving, they don't really suffer any ill effects from impetuous unless we circle all the way around to their turn again AND they fail to dispel it a second time.
@bobroll65309 ай бұрын
Indeed, you need no engagement bait, ngl, i started watching this to make an informed decision on my sorcerers' lores, staid for the mathgammer, fun and vibes, built my last chosennas you were talking about the lores I can't even take and still learned a lot about what I'll be up against
@CutePoisonEU Жыл бұрын
Guys... I am one minute in and no matter how informative the video will be, thank you for your chemistry and the way that you present stuff!
@SquareBasedOldWorld Жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@howardlewis9169 Жыл бұрын
Every deep dive needs that sound, put a smile on my face😂. Solid again lads. I commute home at the weekends and always listen to you guys for the 3 1/2 hours drive! Gutted I couldn't come to the opening at HQ as I only live 30 mins away but daughter was sick so couldn't make it. Keep up the great work lads, we are all still learning but it's fun doing it together, don't change a thing lads.
@collinl5023 Жыл бұрын
I'm in love with the idea of a Beastlord with Mangelder, his bestigors having the Manbane standard, and that demonology spell for potentially -5 leadership.
@nicovideotube Жыл бұрын
@43:00 laser line plus the corner 45° arrow tool are indispensable
@Coolduff.11 ай бұрын
This is so great. Thank you for all of the hard work.
@SquareBasedOldWorld11 ай бұрын
Thank you too!
@nurglematthew11 ай бұрын
What's Magic is the way these two speak to my heart
@jacekay6031 Жыл бұрын
1:22:15 Here you say that you get to pick spells if you roll doubles? This isn't true though right? It just says you re-roll duplicate results. I think the picking on a double is from another edition. Also at 14:30 you say the same thing? You both seem very sure so I'm confused if I've missed something.
@roboticgadfly11 ай бұрын
That was my read from the rules as well. Great video deep dive into Magic though! Lot is new, so important to dump out all the other editions of Warhammer Fantasy from the brain. 😅
@nurglematthew Жыл бұрын
3 hours in and still a fan. What a thiccc, juicy review.
@Brightminipainting Жыл бұрын
Outstanding review and the best intro to date, cried with laughter - even more hilarious on twitch. Deep dive!!
@DirtdoingThings9 ай бұрын
Id wish they kept that crazy shit on the miscast table. I need more of that gameplay in my life
@mjpyro7993 Жыл бұрын
By far the most entertaining warhammer duo. Keep up the great content!
@mizzrum7591 Жыл бұрын
You smashed this video out the park guys. Information was great and going need to watch the video more than once lol.
@T0beyeus Жыл бұрын
I could not think of what one might do with Hammerhand unless playing Warriors of Chaos or a treeman, but if I am understanding Shield of the Lady for the Handmaidens of Bretonnia, it would mean they can be in the rear of the unit safe but still cast Hammerhand as if still in the front fighting rank. This could be very useful for a level 1 or 2 Damsel.
@stevekearns6173 Жыл бұрын
What an opening! love it!
@diegoteutli9104 Жыл бұрын
YOu guys are killing it with all this amazing content! Keep it up!
@prlostinshadows Жыл бұрын
Haha, tbis is the first time Ive watched on my TV instead of my phone.....let me tell you that the Val intro in 75 inch is something to behold.
@GVS86 Жыл бұрын
Def the best Old World channel. Factions dives are awesome. Can't wait for the rest.
@LokiDokiGG Жыл бұрын
Brilliant stuff as always, fun and educational, really loved getting Val's initial impressions on alot of the spells
@skullfullofbats Жыл бұрын
If I am going to Canada this year, I need a Pint or five with Val. What a dude!
@hellboy_bloodbowl7981 Жыл бұрын
3 days and I made it to the end. A deep dive *insert sound effect* indeed! Great stuff.
@davisj011018 Жыл бұрын
This video is as long as a lord of the rings movie and packs more content. I love it!
@thomasc6684 Жыл бұрын
Nice. Looking forwards to the Empire overview you’ve said is coming soon and more deep dives with both of you.
@belannaertv Жыл бұрын
3 hours of lovely background awesomeness while I paint some models. I ended up starting Wood Elf army and I 100% blame your video :D
@searnshaw100 Жыл бұрын
That submarine intro was glorious!
@MiniatureRealms11 ай бұрын
If anyone else did a 3hr hour video on magic it would have been dry as ….., great job guys.
@SSBBcore Жыл бұрын
This channel carry the hype for TOW so hard! Thank you guys!
@ExodusDisciple Жыл бұрын
You guys are fantastic.
@YetiLord Жыл бұрын
Jesus christ these intros are the best
@Doin1er4 ай бұрын
I really appreciate coming across your channel, lots of useful vids for a new player
@Linkusmax Жыл бұрын
I think the value of a lot of these Lores is increased by the Lore Familiar magic item which lets you choose your spells, especially ones like Elementalisim which have only a couple really good spells which if you can guarantee you can do a lot of list building around.
@nurglematthew Жыл бұрын
I like the part where we deep dive!
@MattDer-ff2us Жыл бұрын
I survived till the end..I might have absorbed %10 of the content.. Worth
@joelfoster2256 Жыл бұрын
What an epic video. Love your work lads! You both have excellent chemistry feeding off each other, keep it up! I’m working on my Warriors of Chaos list and this video really helped in deciding how to flesh it out (taking more than one wizards now😂😂😂)
@johndale8308 Жыл бұрын
Great stuff fellas - really excited to get some games in.
@SquareBasedOldWorld Жыл бұрын
HAND OF DALE
@matt9591 Жыл бұрын
This podcast is giving me LIFE
@Juliusstarcraft Жыл бұрын
That was a wonderful video. I’m excited to see how wild Bret can be with magic!
@ScatterDieGuy Жыл бұрын
Another epic show. Loving this, keep it up guys. ALL the magical vortices!
@JaykeHallOfLegends Жыл бұрын
Thanks gang! I’d never have been able to sit and read all those, so big shout out to Val and Rob for helping this poor ADHDer out
@jolamber Жыл бұрын
Do you need vision and line of sight of the enemy wizard to wizardly dispell
@SquareBasedOldWorld Жыл бұрын
No, just need to be in range.
@jolamber Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video
@CitadelSavage Жыл бұрын
Loving all the content you guys are putting out! Keep up the good work
@Emanon...11 ай бұрын
Great video!
@IceJoust Жыл бұрын
Absolutely love the deep dive alarm 😂 3 hours is nearly enough square based for a week.. Don't kill yourselves chasing more but anything you put out I'll keep clicking it O7
@SquareBasedOldWorld Жыл бұрын
We will keep making!! Thanks!!
@IceJoust Жыл бұрын
@@SquareBasedOldWorld I made it out the other side! I want to see Biggles Dwarf vs the 8 Feet of Gork
@kellyhoesing257311 ай бұрын
I'm going to have vietnam flashbacks every time someone casts Drain Magic now.
@Rhaenday11 ай бұрын
Ok, now I *NEED* some people with lots of O&G make a narrative game, both using O&G, both taking as many wizards as possible and the entire battle turning into a place with giant godfeet of magic stomping all over the field xD
@SquareBasedOldWorld11 ай бұрын
I genuinely tried this my first game with two wizards. The fickle foot of Gork was more interested in stomping me than the bretonnians, but man it was worth it.
@christopherschlegel6412 Жыл бұрын
I love Val's sound board shenanigans
@philr7177 Жыл бұрын
Phenomenal work thank you for what you're doing! Pretty sure you guys are why I'm getting into the old world!
@willd5328 Жыл бұрын
This was so very helpful. Thanks!
@PRAISE_HASHUT Жыл бұрын
Our lads are in essentially sweat shop conditions, pumping out these videos thick and fast for our mass consumption!! 💕
@SquareBasedOldWorld Жыл бұрын
Grafting like champions
@PRAISE_HASHUT Жыл бұрын
@@SquareBasedOldWorld like champions, musicians and standard bearers. Full command.
@91elpiris7 ай бұрын
The casting odds table analysis is amazingly interesting. I thought that low level wizards were useless before seeing this!
@oldex656411 ай бұрын
This was great. Listened on Spotify so just wanted to leave a comment for the algorithm so here's my top 58 albums of last year 58. Asagraum - Veil of Death, Ruptured 57. Ghosts of Atlantis - Riddles of the Sycophants 56. Issa - Lights of Japan 55. Tradtorned - Into The Void 54. Sophie Lloyd - SHRED vol. 1 53. Turmion Kätilöt - Omen 52. Solence - Hope Is A Cult 51. Void Chapter - humAnIty 50. Ronnie Romero - Raised on Heavy Radio 49. Warmen - Here For None 48. Craving - Call of the Sirens 47. Draconicon - Pestilence 46. George Lynch & Jeff Pilson - Heavy Hitters II 45. Metallica - 72 Seasons 44. Liv Sin - KaliYuga 43. Otep - The God Slayer 42. U.D.O. - Touchdown 41. Escape the Fate - Out of the Shadows 40. Twisted Rose - Cherry Tales 39. Conquer Divide - Slow Burn 38. Obituary - Dying of Everything 37. Self Deception - You Are Only As Sick As Your Secrets 36. Delain - Dark Waters 35. Phantom Elite - Blue Blood 34. Powerwolf - Interludium 33. Babymetal - The Other One 32. Otherwise - Gawdzillionaire 31. Lyrre - Not All Who Dream Are Asleep 30. Red Cain - NÄE'BLISS 29. 3Teeth - EndEx 28. Bezerker Legion - Chaos will Reign 27. Elysion - Bring Out Your Dead 26. Burning Witches - The Dark Tower 25. Redhook - Postcards From A Living Hell 24. In This Moment - GODMODE 23. Steve Morton - Technically Metal 22. Aortha - Monolit 21. When Plagues Collide - Chaotic Upheaval 20. Manntra - War of the Heathens 19. Dog Eat Dog - Free Radicals 18. Avatar - Dance Devil Dance 17. Beyond the Black - Beyond the Black 16. Lordi - Screem Writers Guild 15. Angus McSix - and the Sword of Power 14. Ignea - Dreams of Lands Unseen 13. Danko Jones - Electric Sounds 12. Prognostic - Chaotic Upheaval 11. Cobra Spell - 666 10. Edge of Paradise - Hologram 9. The Unslain - Descending 8. HAWXX - Earth, Spit, Blood and Bones 7. Nacarbide - The Identity of Discord 6. Icon of Sin - Legends 5. Butcher Babies - Eye For An Eye... 4. Tulip - The Perpetual Dream 3. Lovebites - Judgment Day 2. Daedric - Mortal 1. Butcher Babies - ... 'Til The World's Blind
@Suilezrof Жыл бұрын
love the show, and Vals intro shenanigans makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. Thanks for the deep dive :D
@PRAISE_HASHUT Жыл бұрын
So many cool spells to try but they’re gonna be difficult to learn. If only GW made a set of reference cards we could readily buy in shops or on their website.
@stevenshea990 Жыл бұрын
And even if you did get a chance to pre-order, if you live in the East Coast USA, you couldn't get them anyway because the snow storms delayed all of the shipments to stores.
@Willabrador Жыл бұрын
Can you choose a fated dispel if you have a wizard available? Or is the wording that you only get a fated one if your wizard cannot dispel for whatever reason?
@SquareBasedOldWorld Жыл бұрын
You can do a fated dispell once per turn for whatever reason you like. If you're out of range, don't have a wizard, or perhaps don't want to risk a Miscast.
@Willabrador Жыл бұрын
@@SquareBasedOldWorld nice, thanks for the reply. Loving what you're making dude! Hyped for the Old World!
@blastbeatpie3239 Жыл бұрын
Also, somehow this has made me even more excited to get my Night Gobbos on the table. It's going to be mayhem 😂
@franpschorr364611 ай бұрын
If one character has fireball as a bound spell, can another wizard still cast fireball in the same phase if they know it as one of their enate spells?
@SquareBasedOldWorld11 ай бұрын
Yes absolutely.
@franpschorr364611 ай бұрын
@@SquareBasedOldWorld ty. If I build an empire lost I want to spam magic missiles and the 20pt wizard staff.
@tripp9278 Жыл бұрын
Incredible video, lots of awesome info.
@adamsboringvids Жыл бұрын
1:09:32 loremaster of hoeth casting hammerhand with ASF sounds good. He can do that in addition to chopping down fools with his greatsword.
@tgiffin Жыл бұрын
Big video. 🎉
@GreatMachination Жыл бұрын
Waaagh! magic is without a doubt THE most chaotic magic there is and man does it look like that now more than ever. Thanks again Rob and Val for all the work you guys do, so much. Cheers!
@Gizimpy Жыл бұрын
Someone's gotta correct me if I'm wrong. From the Sister's of the Thorn rules, their Deepwood Coven ability states that they know one spell "chosen by their controlling player before armies are deployed." That reads that it's not randomly generated. If so, that's crazy-useful to guarantee you have Curse of Arrow Attraction.
@SquareBasedOldWorld Жыл бұрын
Or plague of rust....
@CatharsisChaser Жыл бұрын
The major secondary benefit of dispel magic from my pov is that it makes casting harder to proc in the first place therefore you don't have to risk dispells as often Also it would seem you can cast shield of saphery first and then cast another enchantment spell on the same unit since it only states it gets rid of ones cast previously Also I see those devious cogs turning in your mind Rob with regards to vortex spam ;P It was some of the first magical shenanigans I thought of as well Sisters of the thorn pillars of fire spam seems like a ridiculous standoff tactic since you can kite the casters away from potential dispels and keep crisping units whilst hampering their charges Wind blast is also a contender for me since you can utilize the poisoned javelins at 12" and follow up with a wind blast to widen the distance even more, seems like a bit more reliable damage but less control so a combination of the 2 would probably be ideal The fact that they are a special choice means that you can run 7 of them (@2k) as well which is just plain ridiculous since they all get to CHOOSE their spells BEFORE DEPLOYMENT from both battle magic and elementalism... the ultimate utility unit imho
@crimsonsun2000 Жыл бұрын
Well I'm going to give this a listen while I support some STLs for spicing up my units in my Vampire counts army.. looking good, Witches in the wood should look super cool.
@adamgooley943 Жыл бұрын
so long so good
@TomB15 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video guys! Great Submarine intro 😂
@mjpegasus1079 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the deep doive
@kamael22 Жыл бұрын
What about double ones on fated dispel? Who suffers miscast effects? If I missed the answer - sorry!
@SquareBasedOldWorld Жыл бұрын
No one
@jacekay6031 Жыл бұрын
Since you asked for comments on drain magic, I think it's a very weak effect. As Rob noticed, it's a remains in play, which means you opponent will get another free chance to dispel it, this time at it's base value, before they cast any spells. At 9+ that's trivial for a level 4 and pretty easy for even a level 2. Even if it's not dispelled it's quite weak. Unless you have low level wizards attempting high difficulty spells the +2 casting value requirement will mostly be irrelevant. A level 4 doesn't really care if it needs to roll a 6 instead of 4, on 2d6 since it's aiming for much higher than that or it will be easily dispelled. So for this spell to have any impact at all you need to: 1 Successfully cast it. 2 Opponent fail to dispel it 3 Opponent fail to dispel it at it's base value on their turn 4 Opponent roll exactly 1 or 2 below the new modified casting value That's an absurd requirement. Overall a very disappointing signature. Should have been -2 to the opponents casting roll, and lasts until your next start of turn sub phase instead of remains in play.
@mikereed4594 Жыл бұрын
It's cast on a 9, you have to beat the casting value to dispel, so the dispel on their turn needs a 10+. That's pretty easy for a lvl 4 to beat, but pretty good against multiple lower level casters who are failing more than they succeed, and that's where the +2 casting value is also at its most effective. Certainly a very matchup dependent spell, but does not seem bad.
@jacekay6031 Жыл бұрын
@@mikereed4594 That's true, good point. Yeah still quite easy for a level 4 but a little bit harder than I'd thought. I agree it's decent against multiple low level casters. It's just a shame that that's already when you're dispelling most enemy spells with your level 4. You'd really want drain magic to help when you're evenly matched or even behind (like against Chaos +6 to cast). But drain magic will do basically nothing there.
@Jalapenerine Жыл бұрын
About Phantasmagoria, I am guessing there will be discussions about enemy units that didnt move but are in range of the template. The casting player will say they endet their movement inside and the defending player will say "i didnt end any move since i didnt move".
@TheLunchBreakPainter Жыл бұрын
Best Old World content!
@VoltanIgnatio Жыл бұрын
Legends 💪👍
@Stonehorn Жыл бұрын
Id only Steed of Shadows could be cast before the charge phase, an 8x3 brick of say, chosen, or Knights of the Realm on foot. A 13-18 inch charge range. It’s still a fantastic spell though, but damn, I’d take it start of charge phase on an 11+!
@Stonehorn Жыл бұрын
Also, Daemonic Vessels, you guys kept talking about it buffing units, but it clearly says “self”, caster and mount only. The units don’t get +1 Str, attacks, and AP1. Only ever the caster.
@Stonehorn Жыл бұрын
Only other thing you guys seem to be missing is that most remain in play spells, like Drain Magic, templates, and buffs and hexes can be dispelled each round for its casting value. As it’s cast you need to beat the casters roll, but the next turn it’s dispelled at its value. Or that’s how I’ve seen it played in multiple places. Also, great work and great videos.
@emcdunna11 ай бұрын
One thing I realized for assailant spells is that if you have higher Initiative than your opponent, you can wipe out their front line and prevent them from hitting back. So hammerhand is brutal vs dwarfs let's say, because you take away their heavy armor and take down several front rank models with great weapons before they get to hit you
@morcar899110 ай бұрын
Arcane Urgency on Fanatics? Would it work this way?
@warhobby Жыл бұрын
Oh! Oh! It's Magic!
@jensbalslev4693 Жыл бұрын
I went all the way! I managed to magnetise 13 Ungors, put three Dragon Ogres together and paint a Bray-shaman. Good times!
@kingcaboose2 Жыл бұрын
at 19:30 you have on the conditions that it cannot be cast on the same unit multiple times. Doesn't it say 'during the same turn' in the rules so if the spell is continuous I would say you can cast it multiple times on a unit just not in the same turn.
@SquareBasedOldWorld Жыл бұрын
Worth a read thankyou
@Rhaenday11 ай бұрын
It feels like RAI with the "all other X previously cast on any of the affected models immediately expire." is to thwart stacking the effect of the spell with others - but RAW it just changes the order in which you try to cast your enchantments / hexes, no?
@SquareBasedOldWorld11 ай бұрын
Yes exactly. Because that condition was not consistently applied it sure seems that it can be gotten around by certain lores. This feels like something that might be cleaned up with errata in the future.
@NoName-lo9ym6 ай бұрын
Wind Blast is a killer - you can push enemy units off the board instantly killing them or pushing them into dangerous terrain etc. Brutal
@aidenwasson748911 ай бұрын
I think elementalisms earthen ramparts would be great on a unit with impetous that you do not want to charge with would that work?
@nicovideotube Жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see what bonuses to cast dark magic the Dark Elves get
@edwoolley2985 Жыл бұрын
I tell you what is magic. These podcasts baby.
@SquareBasedOldWorld Жыл бұрын
Oh you.
@space_bees Жыл бұрын
I think Rob has convinced me to start a beastmen army
@adamsboringvids Жыл бұрын
Me too
@colonelcabbage Жыл бұрын
Rob has convinced me to expand me to expand my Beastmen army
@blastbeatpie3239 Жыл бұрын
Best intro ever 😂
@NoName-lo9ym6 ай бұрын
Helblaster with Engineer and Curse of Arrow Attraction on the target = a battlefield of pink mist 😄