A Beginner's Guide to Resting Coffee

[@StephenWingsTV]

My coffee is honestly the only thing that’s had any rest this year.

[@khirek5335]

I agree with the charming lady above me, hang in there you got this💯

[@garrulus3399]

Wishing you a more calm 2022!

[@EspenFrafalne]

Im just happy i adapt to my surroundings, so i eventually stop reacting to whatever makes me stressed, sad, angry, or scared - kinda like getting spoiled, only opposite. Some people think we will come to heaven and everything is going to be awesome and full of love and happiness all the time, but it seems more likely that we will evolve towards "inner peace". Bad experiences makes us less spoiled, while good experiences makes us more spoiled - and thats why "sado massochists" are your friends XD

[@frankweaver301]

I'm confused. I make espresso with a dark roast bought locally in proper bags, etc, including CO2 valve. After watching his previous video on various storage containers the trial after 4 or 6? weeks resting showed very little difference in coffee quality. On that basis I buy some 2kg of beans in 4 bags at a time which generally last a month. I only charge the grinder on a need basis and fold the bag such as to exclude as much air as possible. All this works for me and I certainly can't tell the difference from probably 3 or 4 days from roasting through to a month later. No doubt I will be told that my advanced years has greatly reduced my taste buds. Such is life.

[@kjdude8765]

@@frankweaver301 I don't do espresso but for my standard pour over, dark roasts seem to last in flavor much longer than a light roast which seems to lose its unique flavors within a week.

[@milton369uy]

I'm 28 years old, I was looking for a video about caffeine and ended up buying a French press, a grinder and fresh coffee because of you, I've never thought coffee could taste this good and how have I missed it for so long, keep making these kind of videos! Happy new year from Uruguay!

[@Uhdusv5527]

Ooh! The master Uruguay!

[@TomReinerDE]

Welcome to the club. 😉

[@yevhenbryukhov]

Almost the same case was for me half a year ago (now doing aeropress, cezve/ibrik). Welcome to the club 😉

[@maymayrays]

Same 🤦🏻‍♀️ I’m like $400 in on a pour over machine and burr grinder, and have a $80/mo beans subscription because of this man. My tastebuds have never been happier nor my wallet emptier 🎉😑🤣

[@eddiefalcon8316]

Keep at it. Coffee is a great hobby.

[@franklinnash]

Until I started watching James' videos I never realised how complicated making a good cup of coffee could be.

[@garyallsebrook3493]

It’s highly precise as well!

[@eliasvernieri]

you can have a good cup of coffee without this lvl of "complicatedness". just not the best posible cup of coffee.

[@personontheinternet2164]

Perfection is a collection of little things done right. Coffee just so happens to have a lot of little things to keep note of.

[@raymondrak961]

It's not complicated - it requires knowledge which James Hoffman provides via his videos.

[@VincentGroenewold]

Looks like that, but it's really not. It's simply a few set of rules, that's all. You want your coffee to be rested a bit and then brew it, the brewing process is usually overly complex due to what people on the Internet think what is best. The nice thing about James is that he often debunks this and makes it simpler. :) You can use a scale to weigh the same each time and things like that, which sounds complicated, but also really isn't, it just gives you the possibility to brew the same cup each time. But when you don't have all that (like me, travelling at the moment), you just use whatever you have and enjoy. I travel with an Aeropress and small hand-grinder, not the best grinder, but a great balance between good enough and portable, the fact I'm grinding my beans on the go is already so much better than not. That's how you should approach it I think.

[@GrahamSmith1523]

I’m commenting because I believe it will bring James joy.

[@greentape7817]

THANK YOU!! We had a customer recently who was very hung up on freshness, to the point where he requested coming straight to the roastery to buy a bag of beans that were *still warm*. (Offgassing aside, they should be 100% cool before they get anywhere near the bag!) The more people know about offgassing, the fewer well-intentioned but misguided requests like these will appear on the desks of specialty coffee roasters everywhere.

[@eventualreason4666]

did he offer to bring his own container?

[@clarejc]

Have also had a customer like that 😑

[@json8172]

Its hard to know unless you try it and know its bad that fresh. he should just try roasting at home.

[@TripleDDDD]

Why even wait for after the roast? I drink them beans green. (just kidding)

[@charlesflynn4850]

I hope your customer did not arrive at your shop with a Thermapen.

[@damien__j]

1 year ago: Hmm maybe I should try ground coffee instead of instant Today: But how long do I REST the beans for in low humidity at 9°C?!

[@Ash-ww8xg]

I feel you bro

[@eliasvernieri]

you had a great year then ;)

[@rubensoeteman]

Amazing

[@PraetorianCuber]

the evolution the progression

[@rdpsysium7340]

It's the classic Hoffman Effect. :)

[@ileenerebekah3740]

I just started working as a coffee roaster after 8 years of barista jobs. My boss gave me your atlas of coffee to read and I finished everything except the locations pages in a week. I use it to explain things to my customers almost daily. I love the book and I'm excited I found your KZbin channel. I've learned so much more from your book than from any coffee shop I've ever worked at. Thank you.

[@rw9207]

If you are getting stressed about your coffee bean resting time, congratz, you life is almost perfect and you're living the dream!

[@turtleanton6539]

Indeed😮

[@mitsuki1388]

Imagine getting beans that freshly roasted xD The minimum I can get is beans roasted two weeks earlier but usually goes up to a month

[@Dr.Tackleberry]

James. You’re the man. What you’re doing for the coffee community is beautiful

[@Jackssky]

Well I was never stressed about my coffee before, but now I am. Thanks James.

[@1515Steve1515]

My roaster fills my storage jars directly and leaves a little sticky note on them telling me how long to wait for each batch. Takes all the anxiety right out of it. He made it very clear that getting the jars filled from the machine is a privilege that comes with responsibility, responsibility not to ignore the sticky notes lol.

[@lobstrain]

I thought you meant a machine roaster and was very confused.

[@IPANoah]

I like how casually James explains that yes in fact setting your coffee on fire will definitely produce a lot of carbon LOL.

[@Champion-jb6uj]

Plant food 🎉

[@susanshea8415]

😂 Extra dark roast

[@craigbrown9987]

And now I understand, after all these years, why my coffee bags have little valves in them. Every extra video I watch takes me further down the coffee rabbit hole, but I'm loving it. Bought an expresso distributor last week, thinking about a getting an precision basket for the portafilter, so many things to think about...

[@ineedmymodfixed]

I was not familiar with this until I ordered coffee from the local roaster. They roasted and packed it the same day, and I pulled a shot the 2nd day. I could 100% tell over the next couple of days the flavor improved a lot.

[@piperrobb2346]

It’s a good week when we get two videos back to back!

[@TSK5443]

If the coffee is very fresh but you still want to brew it, a neat trick is to pregrind before you actually brew it and let it sit for a while to let it degas.

[@siigari]

Perfect! Just got into coffee roasting and this information helps greatly. Made a light roast and let it rest for three days. Juicy, pleasantly acidic and good body! Now I have a baseline to let it rest a bit longer. Thanks James! Edit: James please make a/some videos of roasting coffee at home!

[@vl507]

My experience lines up with what James said: initially I was much more concerned about roast dates but over time I’ve come to realize that taking a more relaxed approach improved my enjoyment of coffee

[@amusliminusa]

I love how these videos pop up just as I'm having my coffee or about to make it. The best!

[@angelopepeskordos]

I am completely geeking over this! It’s awesome!

[@philipdeppen3189]

No rest needed after roasting. Cool your beans grind the amount you want and let the grounds rest for 10 to 15 minutes before brewing. All co2 gone and maximum flavor I promise it will be the best cup from the roast batch.

[@dakotatrotter3940]

Thank you for speaking to the issue of equalizing pressure on those vacuum canisters; it's always so frustrating to see highly suggested reviews on sites like Amazon claiming that the product has a poor seal.

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

Ah yes, stupidity of the consumer. The hardest part of online shopping

[@RentalFloss]

I was made aware of your channel this year by a friend, and it's been an amazing discovery that has fundamentally changed my relation with coffee. Having loved and enjoyed coffee for a few decades but never really nerded out over it, binging your videos, I've been amazed to find what is achievable at home with just a few simple techniques, some care, and a set of scales. I'm still learning and still trying out new things, but never has my coffee been as interesting and as great tasting. Here's to many more years of learning and here's to you. Happy new years James and thank you for all your amazing work.

[@jarekb6524]

Hi James, home roaster here. I think the unpleasant notes in fresh coffee depend a lot on the roast style too. When I roast my coffe just right, I can pop in my Aeropress immediately after it cooled down and enjoy an absolutely phenomenal cup that is never equalled after any amount of rest. While with a different roast profile I get the sour-smoky notes you describe. So the whole matter is probably more complex than lighter roast = longer rest.

[@mib6002]

Would you say that ‘roasting them just right’ means they’re not too light or dark? And have you experienced any differences in types of varietals?

[@amusliminusa]

Thanks, I was hunting for coffee that's just roasted and I'm glad that I don't need to be such a stickler on that. I like light to medium roasts. So, let it rest for 3 to10 days for filter coffee. I use an Aeropress, thanks to you James. But, I definitely enjoy trying out pour overs , French press, and espresso drinks at locally owned coffee shops that often roast their own beans or get them from a local roaster.

[@mesosadohno6813]

Nice

[@Davasto89]

"Dark roasts bloom more" answers a question I literally had for years!

[@CafeLomez]

James is a coffee wizard! So much insight and pushing the limits of what’s possible with the dynamic of beans and water. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and helping us become better home brewers ☕️

[@CraigBrideau]

I just got a bag of fresh roasted coffee from a local company for the holiday break. My aeropress ended up half filled with foam and I was struggling to get a full cup of coffee out of it. Now I know I need to let the coffee rest a bit so I have less foam thanks to James!

[@Ash-ww8xg]

I just bought a grinder 2 weeks ago, and resting is something I've always heard about but never made a big deal about since I used to buy pre-ground. I can definitely confirm that resting absolutely makes a huge difference! This video was incredibly helpful and super relevant!

[@alijohncristian]

"preground"??? get out! lol

[@Ash-ww8xg]

@@alijohncristian it's illegal in these parts, I'm aware

[@genericplantlife]

I am in the beginning of starting to like coffee so I have not committed to a grinder yet lol send me to pre-ground jail.

[@allannahjackson2870]

We need an audiobook - what a lovely voice to nod off to ❤

[@joaobuagas615]

Is it weird that I can smell coffee here in my room just watching him 🤤♥️☕️

[@jamesf931]

Great information. It explains a lot to me. A few years back, I visited a friend in Anchorage, Alaska. We stopped off at a Costco and I was surprised to see a rather large coffee roaster in the back of the store. My friend always buys the freshly roasted Costco coffee, and this trip was no exception. However, the next morning, he made some French press coffee using the bag he purchased the day before. I wasn’t all that impressed. The final product tasted rather sour to me, and I was a bit disappointed, as I thought it would taste very fresh and flavorful. But now having watched this video, I understand the reason behind resting the coffee.

[@huijeongkim7211]

Great video! My experience aligns with what you just pointed out in the video. Whenever I brew my home roasted coffee, I notice its taste gets smoother over the days. When I try the coffee the day after roasting, it has quite tangy and sour taste (for me, it's a bit uncomfortable) which gets mitigated in the next day and so on. I definetly need degassing for some time, but I'm just too impatient to wait..lol

[@alextaylor6793]

wow this was very interesting i just got into all this and got my first Ethiopian light roast for filter, opened it and had it fresh. i thought wow that kinda tasted like Neapolitan woodfire margarita pizza. it had way more body after a few days interesting stuff

[@kd0r]

Photos of what you consider light, medium and dark roasts would be helpful when we compare the coffee in front of us to your comments. Thanks for a good discussion of resting coffees. I've found that 24 - 48 hours of rest of our light to medium roasts brings the filter coffee to the point where I can't really tell much difference after that. David

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

Hm, I wonder if filming that might make it too hard to give an accurate color, with the limitations of a camera. But I suppose hes trusting that if you are bothering with these kinds of nitpicky factors, you bought coffee that communicates the darkness of the roast

[@kd0r]

@@skeetsmcgrew3282 we roast our own from green beans. I agree that doing a good job of color matching can be a problem. Some pure white in the frame , then white balancing might help.

[@LarryHaudini666]

Colour isn't the best indicator of the roast degree... Hypothetically - you could have a 12 min roast with 20% DTR, or a 7min roast on the same machine with 25% DTR that is potentially darker in colour, but not exactly darker in flavour. Colour is the a good indicator, but it depends on so many factors, (probably why James has left this out on many of his videos). Cheers

[@kg-Whatthehelliseventhat]

Dave's not here, man.

[@cumberlandbills]

Despite not liking coffee personally I think it speaks volumes to your style and quality of content that I enjoy watching your videos regardless. Good work!

[@CoffeeReviews]

Even as someone with plenty of experience resting coffees of all roast profiles, I found a lot of very useful and interesting information in this video. I appreciate the way you explained the details in a very easy to understand manner. Thanks as always James 👍

[@JohnDoe095]

Love all your reviews. Don't always have the time to check them all, but I check as often as I can. Keep it up

[@CoffeeReviews]

@@JohnDoe095 I appreciate the comment and any time you can Igor. Thank you very much, means a lot 😄

[@davidjaniszewski6653]

I built an industrial style gas roaster last year and have the Eagle one prima espresso machine. It's normal for me to roast light to medium. I can taste the smoky/roasty flavor for at least the first 1-3 days making it difficult to judge how well my roasting went. My coffee really shines for espresso after 4-7 days and sometimes peaks at about 10 days. As always the Hoffmann makes the most informative and entertaining videos guiding me through the never ending journey of better coffee!

[@MorrisDugan]

From all its effort to keep you awake, coffee gets tired, sometimes VERY tired... I'm glad someone finally let this cat out of the bag. I had always been afraid to bring it up before. The problem, though, is that between the need to rest, the tendency soon after to get stale, and the advice not to preserve it by freezing, there's only about a 3-minute window where coffee is at its optimum condition to be made into a drink. After that, just use it in your garden to do something that regretfully I forget precisely what. Mulching, composting, scaring off beetles, something...

[@wendelleg2002]

Coffee grounds in garden: provide nitrogen.

[@ropro9817]

That was good to know re: vacuum containers and off gassing. I had bought one of those expensive Fellows containers and thought that it just had a bad seal. You saved me from throwing it out. 🙇‍♂

[@q11v]

When I was having a lot of trouble with channeling with a fresh, light Espresso, the roaster suggested to let the ground coffee sit for a few minutes to degas and that helped too (now I just buy a little bit ahead in time ;-)).

[@lothar1080]

Love the technical videos.

[@sarcasm-83]

Oh I've never even known this. I guess this explains why sometimes when I've ordered freshly roasted coffee beans online and they arrive to me maybe 4-6 days from the roasting process, the second or third day coffee made from them has seemed even better than the very first brews. (I prefer light roasts) I've so far chalked it as me just getting used to the beans or .. placebo or something, but maybe this is what has caused it. The more you know.

[@davidclark5842]

So wesome to have this very well presented video as a reference I can share! I work at a specialty coffee shop, and quite often when taking a stint on till, customers will become upset that we don't have coffee from that very day when the roaster is operating daily 10 minutes down the road. I always try to say the usual "well no, that's actually a good thing" but more often than not, I'm met with skepticism as if I just want to make the sale at all costs. But I would never want to sell a product that I didn't think lived up to our standards so that attitude being projected our way is somewhat disheartening.

[@zyzda22]

Awesome, very sensible way of talking about resting! Would be curious what others have found in terms of how quickly coffee goes stale, on the other side of the discussion? I buy medium-light roasts and rest it 4 or 5 days, not really on purpose though, I don't worry about it. It takes about two weeks to use a bag up for me, so it's never stale by then. I've had some stale coffee before of course- I probably wouldn't buy a medium or light bag that was roasted more than a month ago?

[@RealAmouranth]

Your videos started coming to me on Facebook I'm here and a subscriber now. I started drinking coffee around 17. Now at 25 I don't drink soda anymore it's coffee or water. I love learning and I like the way you present your information. Low key thank you for making these videos and being a teacher of sorts.

[@sonnisndergaard3896]

James have you considered making a video where you taste coffee (filter and espresso) from different glasses like wine and beer glasses? It would be interesting to see how the shape of the glass would enhance different flavor aspects 😊

[@J.T.K]

Look up his review of the Kruve EQ glasses. It touches on that.

[@CR7Update]

stop spamming dude

[@user-xs3db6ox3q]

Very comprehensive. Love that you always start with understanding how it works and then move on to what might be the best practices!

[@RavenSWE]

I’m really impressed and happy with the amount of content uploaded recently. Great work as ever James, I’m sure I’m not the only one who’s hugely grateful 🙏

[@mr0ptimistic]

Have I found resting to be stressful or frustrating? No...not until I saw this video because I had no idea it was a factor. And that's why I keep coming back. These videos are great!

[@bradk8978]

Thank you James, my experience with my home roasted coffee, is exactly as you have described. I have found it very informative to start tasting the next day and observe how the coffee develops in flavour. Predominately I have espresso based coffees, sometimes a siphon or Aeropress. Have been roasting since 2016 and have only recently started blending, ain't that a rabbit hole. Thank you for the insight. Always love your videos, keep up the good work.

[@temptingfate759]

World Barista Champion 2007 James Hoffman...I have been following your channel for years but I never realized there was a barista competition let alone you were a champion. I stumbled on the video in my KZbin feed. Congratulations it was quite impressive to watch you work. Any chance you might be able to discuss the various coffee mixtures you presented and how you created them?

[@alanshewitt]

I started home roasting during lockdown and am constantly improving my roasts. One of the first things I learned was precisely this. When I tell friends that “freshly roasted” is a marketing myth and that you actually *don’t* want that, it’s always met with surprise.

[@BurningInWaterDrowningInFlame]

I love resting and seeing anything else rest, whether: animal, vegetable or mineral brings me great comfort and encouragement. Rest on u resting army. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@StormyDoesVR]

I'm not a coffee person, I'm a hot chocolate person, but the intricacy and detail in your videos have opened my eyes to a world of coffee I didn't understand. I may still not be a huge fan of the bitter coffees, but I've started drinking coffee in general a little more often since finding your channel. Thanks

[@neburiveS]

This video is a godsent. During the pandemic my favorite local roastery shut down. So I decided to learn how to brew good coffee at home. Watched a ton of your videos recently and enjoyed them tremendously. Today my late christmas present arrived. A good quality handgrinder and a hario v60 decanter and dripper. So I decided to go to another local roastery in my city and get some good quality beans as a treat and I get home and this video is the first thing that is recommended to me.

[@Matt-vd3xv]

As always, a great content. I’d love to see one day James’s take on roasting at home and his view on all of the related complexities around profiling.

[@iammattodonnell]

I'm glad to see this video! People think I'm out of my mind when I tell them that when I buy a bag of specialty coffee beans, I'll open it to try one brew and then let it sit for a week. I'd only been doing the same for espresso, but I think I'll try to go closer to 10 days from here on out. Definitely better shots pulled and less spritz when I let it rest. Thank you so much!

[@paulhodge855]

I had one coffee from Burundi that the supplier recommended a full two week resting period after roasting. I split the batch into several bags to test. The coffee tasted ok and was not great for two weeks. At the end of the two week period the flavor came out and it was all chocolate covered cherries. Maybe my favorite coffee ever.

[@kiranthapa1589]

Who was your supplier?

[@paulhodge855]

@@kiranthapa1589 Sweet Marias

[@grenierdave]

Oh, nice. I got my “Popper” coffee roaster from them. First time roasting coffee. A good, little machine for testing the waters. They have some damn good coffee, too! Which blend was it?

[@paulhodge855]

@@grenierdave One of the nicest most generous small coffee suppliers I have encountered. Always great quality products and service.

[@eyesofnova]

Thank you for the information on the vacuum seal. I thought my vacuum seal coffee canister wasn't getting a good seal, but I also suspected that it was due to co2 being released from the beans. Thank you James for confirming this.

[@kleinebre]

When roasting on my Gene, I do actually quench using - exactly - a spray bottle. I also profile-roast on a heavily modified popcorn popper (and I actually prefer the coffee it produces), switch off the heat and just let the fan in the popper run on high to do the cooling in 2 minutes flat. On the topic of resting my advice would be not to worry too much about it. It may not be at peak delicousness if you start drinking it straight after roasting, but even then it will still be vastly superior to any supermarket coffee out there. If you must have the best possible tasting cup of coffee, simply follow the flavour development over time, keep notes and adjust as needed.

[@Woofersgalore]

I’m just about to embark on the whole coffee experience having used Nespresso for the last 4 years or so. I have bought the Sage grinder, bambino coffee maker, storage tins etc and have a local roasting company in the village. Your information on all the processes involved is great and so helpful as I am about to embark on this journey. Thank you for your straight forward and clear information, I have subscribed to your You Tube as I will need as much help as possible.

[@TexelGuy]

I was literally just thinking this topic of resting my new batch of coffee, I've never really paid attention to that aspect before, and started brewing coffee that was roasted on the same day. Incredibly convenient for a video on this exact topic to come out today! (Almost scarily so, can you read my mind James?)

[@mijnnaamisaaron]

Why is there always someone in the comments that has the urge to let everyone know that he was thinking of the video's subject

[@TexelGuy]

​@@mijnnaamisaaron Why is there always someone in the replies that has the urge to suddenly attack a harmless comment

[@bryanupchurch3001]

I came here to make this comment! 😆 Based on the time this was posted, I was standing in the shower thinking about how nobody's talking about degasing times and I really need to figure that out.

[@mijnnaamisaaron]

@@TexelGuy hey now - don't make this about me. You were the one with the verbal diarrhea with 0 content. I'm just facing you the facts.

[@steprockmedia]

@@mijnnaamisaaron You're not adding anything productive. ...and I was JUST thinking about this very topic too. It's a way to tell people like James how timely and useful their content is.

[@ThinhTDiep]

It’s a good informational video. I have always known about resting the coffee from roasters’ recommendations, but I just simplify the process by buying my coffee some days before I run out of my old ones. I just let the new beans rest when I finish the previous bags, and it may sit in the cupboard for a few days, maybe a week or so, which is then perfect for brewing.

[@crispypappadums]

I like to rest my light roast filter coffee beans at least two weeks after roast and start really enjoying them after 3 weeks to a month… to me the brews at that point presents much more clarity and consistency and that’s when I vaccun-seal and freeze a part of the bag splitted in single-serve doses.

[@joecrevino3933]

I came here to ask about this. I got a vacuum sealer for Christmas and just purchased a few pounds of light roast coffee. I think I'll let the coffee rest for a bit before I freeze it in small portions. Thank you!

[@oddviews]

I had my first dedicated coffee machine just over four years ago. Without a manual or special learning help, it has taken that long to create the cup of coffee I have earned that occurred last week and continues with consistency. In all that time, I have periods of coffee drinking that was acceptable but nothing to excite my palate. I consider myself now to be thought of as a self-taught domestic Barista - with the help of James here, polishing up my act! Good luck to all you budding coffee aficionados.

[@willstace7786]

I broke my left kneecap and top of my left tibia, along with a radial head fracture to both elbows 2 weeks ago. The line, "...right up until the point of combustion. Which I don't recommend, but it does produce an enormous amount of CO2.", gave me the best laugh I have had since the accident, and indeed for a while! Thank you James for your constant help to my brewing methods, and your comedic genius!

[@octopus8420]

Hope you're doing better now and the healing is going strong

[@HORansome]

Thanks for this. I moved from Auckland (New Zealand) to Zhuhai (China) and aside from trying to find matches for the coffees I drank back home, dealing with the much warmer climate here has been an issue here

[@Thetache]

Thanks for this, the message seems to be that there is no absolute scale for resting the coffee so I like to start brewing 2 days off roast and see how it develops over the next few weeks to find and enjoy the developing flavours, a bit similar to real ale when it is freshly tapped on day one and develops different flavours as it oxidises over a few days.

[@RebekahSian]

My husband and I love watching James's videos because we love the technical side of brewing. But another thing I love, is James's jumper collection. He should tell us where he gets them, they look so comfy 😅

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

Concerning the temperature sensitivity: would it make sense to store it at room temperature until it's sufficiently rested, and then move it to cold storage to extend the lifespan of the beans until they go stale?

[@DouglasSantos-si5df]

This is the way

[@murphface]

Both comments above are correct: if you'll finish a bag within the 'staling period' (3-4 weeks off roast), then just drink and enjoy; but if you'd like to extend the life of your coffee or switch things up more between cups (as I often do), then freeze away in freezer bags or mason jars and only thaw what you want to drink the next day/week. Also, some coffee KZbinrs (Kyle Rowsell, Sprometheus, etc.) have pointed out that if you have a *really* special coffee (like a gesha or similar), then you could vacuum bag and deep freeze (20-40 below) to keep it for 2+ years and break it out on special occasions

[@jannis300886]

@@murphface what is the process of defrosting? Just take it out an let it sit for an hour or two? Would you recommend to freeze coffee in the bag you buy them? Or but that bag in a freezer bag as well? Thanks for information!

[@Jalfred92]

Hi Juan, I have to say no. Rather than storing the beans until they go stale you could brew then into a hot beverage and drink it.

[@gravlygravy]

@@jannis300886 after researching this here's what I do. Divide 1kg bag into 250gm portions and put in zip loc bags, squeezing out as much air as possible. Put those bags into a second zip loc bag for each portion (8 bags in total), and stuff the whole lot back into the original coffee bag which you've cut open. When defrosting, pull out individual portions and let them come up to temperature inside their double zip loc bag before pouring them into your usual coffee storage. I usually do this overnight.

[@nicosmond3799]

Thank you for this interesting episode; I learned a lot. I roast my own coffee at home ... usually a medium-ish roast (City to Full City+) depending on the bean. I typically let the roasted beans rest for 48 hours before using them. Recently, I brewed some beans in my Aeropress that I had roasted less than 36 hours earlier, and I was disappointed that the coffee was a bit sour. The next day, the same beans in the same Aeropress tasted great.

[@gkseyfu]

Recently I've been grinding ahead of time with really fresh coffees I just can't wait to brew - for really light roasted high altitude coffees I'll maybe grind 45m/1h before brewing the day after roast and then decrease 10m every day, so 4-6 days after roast I'm grinding and brewing immediately. Had varying results, but it's definitely been better than not waiting at all. Anyone else tried this?

[@40wattsun82]

I was just about to ask if a technique like this could work for super fresh light roasts! Definitely curious if others have tried this as well, and how effective it's been

[@JumpingWatermelons]

This is interesting. The whole coffee process has so many variables to control. Very interesting

[@LarryHaudini666]

Roaster here in NZ - yup, this can be done. It gives an effect of 'rested' coffee. We will do it if we are in a mad rush & hurry to get something cupped. It is not the same as ageing it however... better to wait if you can. Cheers

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

Is the waiting process only relevant if you roast your own beans, I buy roasted beans off the store do I also need to rest the coffee after grinding them before usage?

[@LarryHaudini666]

@@Daniel-dj7fh if you're buying from say a roastery that roasted em that day - yes. Same applies. If you're buying from a supermarket though, chances are those beans are already atleast a couple days old

[@akquicksilver]

I roast at home with a Gene Cafe. My favortie roast is Ethiopian Yirgacheffe and I take it to just beyond first crack. I let the coffee sit in an open container for at least 48 hours and then store it in an airtight container in the freezer. I've brewed coffee in my Profitec Pro 600, that was frozen up to 4 months and it was excellent with good amount of crema. I tried several other single origin coffees, Asian, African, South American and the results certainly vary, but since EY is my favorite I always keep some on hand while experimenting with others. Good video and consistent with my experience. Happy New Year!

[@squatty9994]

James, great video as always. I have a Fellow Atmos vacuum container and I've wondered, could you de-gas coffee beans from the vacuum itself? Say you diligently reapplied the vacuum after the container filled with CO2, would that change the coffee taste at all? Maybe change how we would do our bloom?

[@edwardtan1354]

You will have to do this in a span of days since the "equalization" of pressure will make the seal pop on the atmos, you can compensate on the blooming aspect though, likewise you will only know when your coffee is done its degassing is when it no longer makes your seal pop on the atmos coincidentally its also the sufficient amount of days your coffee needs to rest.... so... technically "no"

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

Interestingly, this is also a problem/question in the marijuana industry

[@Programentalist]

@@skeetsmcgrew3282 Marijuana needs degassing too?

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

@@Programentalist Lol, no but storage is a huge issue. If you draw a vacuum on it you risk the delicate volitile chemicals all evaporating away rapidly, but leaving it at ambient conditions might encourage molding or oxidize certain delicate compounds. Like the coffee industry, most people solve the problem by not giving a crap, but those who are artisans really struggle to find a good solution

[@Programentalist]

@@skeetsmcgrew3282 Ah, that makes more sense.

[@scotlandgee]

I buy my coffee from a local roaster (within 5km from my house) and sometimes they try and sell me beans that are 1-2 weeks old. I would describe their roast closer to medium than dark and they say it’s perfect at that timeframe. My scepticism has been confirmed thank you James Hoffman 🙏

[@Astraeul]

In my college years I worked as a barista in a small coffee truck. We didn’t store all the supplies in the truck but 1-2 5lbs bags of coffee for our espresso would be in there at a time. The temp changes throughout the seasons and especially the temp changes during a fall day, going from 30F to 65-70F (sorry I’m American I don’t know Celsius lol) was brutal. I had to constantly dial in the espresso as the grinder warmed up throughout the day. the humidity would change and wack out the espresso as well. It was a challenge, but I did start to notice that during the winter, the beans would seem to stay fresher much longer. During the summer when it was 90-100F inside the truck the espresso I could produce was greatly diminished. Unfortunately the owner didn’t care much for quality product, just the money :(

[@adrianlandreth9918]

PV=nRT

[@dingus5851]

Between starting to roast my own coffee and baking sourdough, I’m in for it 🫠 this is extremely informative, thank you!

[@kevinmackler]

used to work at a cafe that roasted beans and some days we were so low our roaster took them directly from our roaster to our grinder hopper. they were all medium roast and the espresso tasted foul

[@hpgurgel]

Another amazing informative video - I use a certain pressure profiling for fresh and light roasts which gives me great results. Apply 3 bars for 12 seconds, 6 bars for 20 seconds and 3 bars for 6 seconds so total extraction time is 38 seconds on 2:1 ratio. My machine is a VBM Super Digital with electronic pressure profiling but you can do the same with a mushroom valve.

[@abelburnem4402]

So this actually makes me think of an interesting experiment. Can you use something like a fellow atmos that has vacuum indicator to give you some idea of when the coffee is finished degassing? A few variables I can see being notable: the container volume, amount of coffee, and headspace volume about the coffee. These would make a difference as it would take a different amount of CO2 released to make that valve pop up but it could be interesting…

[@dazeller82]

If I understand correctly coffee doesn’t actually finish degassing but rather reaches a point between too much gas and getting stale which is where you want to brew it. I reckon once the coffee is completely degassed it’s long past stale.

[@mkpleco]

Great topic and thanks for sharing. My experience is a week old, I'm always thinking about next week or my next weekend off from work. My coffee gets better everyday it hangs around.

[@acooknamedMatt]

Learning a lot from you

[@Thejustincredible500]

Glad to hear this information! Sometimes i find myself wanting to try that coffee so much, i dont want to wait! Once its here, i want to brew!

[@jonathanbignall1198]

I have found that the coffee beans I buy, even though I'm filter brewing, do seem to benefit from about 5 days rest if they were very recently roasted. I've sometimes felt that the coffee improved over time and reached a peak about 2-3 weeks after opening a 1 kg bag. This seems counterintuitive and it's difficult to quantify, maybe it's a placebo effect, but others drinking the coffee have made similar unsolicited observations. Whoopdedoo, what does it all mean Basil? 😂

[@Bones97000]

Working in a small town coffee shop I can attest that espresso pulls notably better when the beans have had at least seven days of rest, and are usually at their peak after 10-14 days from the roast date. :)

[@jasonchin238]

Thanks! I thought my vacuum seal container was broken. Thanks for explanation

[@Yirgamalabar]

Resting coffee was a problem until I started freezing single-dose vials and just grind the frozen beans when needed, without thawing. This way, my coffee is always at its optimum resting age to meet my taste (usually 9 days after roasting). It doesn't gradually change and doesn't go stale, not even a month later. It's worth the tiny extra effort.

[@scorpseven2861]

You know what, I've been searching YT with keywords like "degassing coffee" for weeks and explanations vary while I noticed James Hoffman hasn't tackled it in depth. And now? Happy holidays to me.

[@HellooJames11]

All the talk about co2 release makes me wonder about the actual “emissions” aspect of roasting coffee. Maybe a video on the impact of coffee roasting would be interesting wether it’s a negligible emission or significant!

[@DaveGme]

You want to start a riot?! Ha! You’re going to stand between people and their coffee? Get a history book.

[@HellooJames11]

@@DaveGme lol fair enough - but as a solution I was thinking more along the lines of carbon capture rather than limiting coffee production

[@stevegee218]

You would also need to offset the growing of the coffee as the plant eats CO2.

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

Almost certainly negligible in comparison to burning anything. You could easily do the math, just take 10L (the number stated in this video) x the worldwide coffee production in kilos. Then just research what the average power plant emits in a year. Id imagine we are taking several orders of magnitude difference

[@DaveGme]

@@HellooJames11 and do what with it? Honest question.

[@paintingwithjeremy1005]

These guidelines match up well with my personal experience. I'm very greatful for this video. It's the first time anyone has explained resting to me with any depth or understanding as to what is happening.

[@optikalblitz]

For those putting their fresh coffee into Fellow Atmos containers, I strongly recommend against picking up your containers by the lid! As James explained, the displacement of that vacuum by the off-gassing of the coffee means that the tight connection that the lid makes to the container is effectively gone. Picking it up by the lid will lead to fresh coffee beans everywhere. #PSA

[@iangrissett9203]

Had happened to me many times

[@bfflorida2311]

All I can say is THANK YOU JAMES!!!. It's about 1 year mark since I saw your first video and you helped me understand what coffee really is. For years I was trying to figure why certain coffee tasted better than others, well after watching all of your videos you explained most of the mistakes I did, mysteries around coffee that I had no clue and most importantly how to develop joy in making and drinking coffee. You are a true blessing to us. Thank you again

[@beetole]

finally, a logical human being that agrees with the fact that dark roasts contain less residual oils than light roast. dark roasts only appear more oily because the extended roasting time makes the oils rise to the surface of the bean, leaving very little oil left on the inside of the bean. most coffee expert youtubers, including barista champions, roasters, high end coffee equipment retailers insist on the myth that dark roasts contain more oils.......

[@allenlark]

i love using recipes. i can tell precisely how many shots i’m going to get out of a bag when i buy it and plan having perfect rest periods and still never run out of beans

[@darkpatches]

I think this is one of those coffee tips that's part true, part myth. I roast my own coffee. It may be true that the coffee gets better if you let it age several days, but it's not like it'll taste horrible if you drink it the day after roasting (as James says). It tastes pretty good actually and just gets better day after day. Until it starts to get worse, day after day. ;-)

[@jasonpeckman472]

Thank you for the explanation. I am a home roaster in Denver, CO and I have adopted a resting time of up to a week for my beans. I came to this conclusion through experimentation and it seems to work for medium to dark roast for me.

[@CafeLomez]

Imagine a James Hoffmann video collaboration with Wes Anderson 😎 I already see some similarities in visual symmetry, blocking, and staging. It would be epic!

[@NameNaameNameeNaamee]

This topic came to my attention through one of the roasters I frequently buy at and which has risen to my favourite supplier of beans. They've become that for a number of reasons, mainly the fact that they are super concious about sustainability - from the people that grow the coffee plants to the people that sell them and everything inbetween, besides making some of the best roasts I tasted so far. But what they also do is not only writing the roast date on the bag, but also a recommendation for resting time. And just as you said, those do vary quite drastically depending on the roast. I found those incredibly helpful. Thanks for this video, giving us the theoretical part behind all of this. Highly appreciated!

[@Victor-kh5rh]

James is missing the two biggest components of degassing: grinding and agitation. Ground coffee will degas much faster than whole bean, you mentioned that 20 minutes after roasting is not enough waiting, try roasting, cooling it down, grinding it, and then resting for a few minutes. Huge difference. Degassing is akin to decanting a wine. I roast my own coffee, I pull espresso on day of roast, sure there is some grinder surfing as the beans degas but I wouldn’t consider it unpleasant, just different. If anything you can grind, wait a few minutes and the results are indistinguishable from week old coffee. For other brew methods you can just use agitation in the bloom phase to degas.

[@personontheinternet2164]

Love the bit about grinding it and waiting a few minutes. That's exactly what I do with extra fresh coffee before it's had a full rest, I forgot where I learned it from tho.

[@townazier]

This right here. I never have a need to let coffee rest when brewing filter coffee, its just too easily degased in the process itself to even bother. Taste difference being very minor even in first three to four days.

[@Fredrik_Alfredsson]

I was just about to ask if you could rest the ground coffee a little while, thanks for the tip.

[@TheBioethicist]

I've been buying a bag of coffee from my local roaster on Saturday and generally get around to brewing it for the first time on Wednesday (and finishing the bag on the following Tuesday), so I'm glad I accidentally backed into a pretty good practice.