A Better Compound Clamp for the Grizzly Lathe - G0602

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Clough42

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@jespermller6956
@jespermller6956 Жыл бұрын
"What's the fun in that" You are absolutely right, it gives so much more to improve something you have, and to know that you did a better design than stock.
@klaernie
@klaernie Жыл бұрын
Also the learning in it is half the fun!
@Sweetchilliheat18
@Sweetchilliheat18 Жыл бұрын
Well for me it's more about $$$
@joansparky4439
@joansparky4439 9 ай бұрын
1) Stefan also said he wouldn't get a Deckel, sitting in front of his MB4 and 2 months later it was gone and he got a Deckel 2) bigger machines also have issues to solve.. so I don't see an end to "improve things"
@bruceang82
@bruceang82 3 ай бұрын
@klaernie buy a Grizzly & you'll get to learn alot.
@bobweiram6321
@bobweiram6321 Жыл бұрын
Awesome build! The ending felt abrupt. I guess was expecting a test run.
@lancer2204
@lancer2204 Жыл бұрын
Tool suggestion for the lathe: make an over sized centre for your tail stock, they're handy when you want to enter up on a hole to be enlarged (push the oversized centre into the drilled/bored hole, then snug up the jaws in the 4 jaw, and you'll be pretty damn close to having your part cantered)
@MattOGormanSmith
@MattOGormanSmith Жыл бұрын
A live bell centre is probably more useful, but spendy.(cash to buy or time to make)
@konzetsu6068
@konzetsu6068 Жыл бұрын
in this case... time to make = content, content = channel engagement, and hopefully some money from the big red play button guys... also makes it a work write-off ;D
@MattOGormanSmith
@MattOGormanSmith Жыл бұрын
@@konzetsu6068 I'm sure any creative accountant is writing off the whole home shop and the electric bill too. Hobby? What hobby?
@joewilson2580
@joewilson2580 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate everything you do. I'm probably one of the few people that would actually pay to work for you for about a year to learn.
@invertedpolarity6890
@invertedpolarity6890 Жыл бұрын
Just love seeing a person using their tools and knowledge to improve their tools to make nicer parts. Excellent.
@kylelaw7210
@kylelaw7210 Жыл бұрын
Making your machines better makes you a better machinist.
@jeffreymarshall5971
@jeffreymarshall5971 Жыл бұрын
"where's the fun in that" -> the whole point of this kind of channel, and my involvement in the hobby. Thanks for the video, James!
@markfletcher6511
@markfletcher6511 Жыл бұрын
As always, I truly enjoy each and every episode that you produce. I was surprised that two things seemed to be missing in this video. The first was a lack making and cuts with the new clamp in place. The second was a lack of a before and after tool deflection clip. I dial indicator pointing down on the tool as it entered a cut with each of the two clamps would have been, and still could be, a great way of characterizing the improvement that the new clamp offers. Thus justifying the effort used to make with more than the pure joy of creating. Please do not take this as a criticism. I really liked going along on the ride with this build. Keep up the great choices of topics to produce.
@Pest789
@Pest789 Жыл бұрын
13:41 I love outside the box ways to use tools like this. I've used regular woodchuck router bits as form tools for aluminum in my lathe and it worked extremely well.
@robertoviana514
@robertoviana514 Жыл бұрын
I don't own a Grizzly, but I have the exact same POS compound clamp. Good job on the clamp design, explanations and videos.
@BeckTools
@BeckTools Жыл бұрын
Watching this video just really shows how valuable a power draw bar is. I really need to get one I've been putting it off for far too long
@37yearsofanythingisenough39
@37yearsofanythingisenough39 Жыл бұрын
They are ridiculously priced nowadays and all they are is an air ratchet on springs. They save a lot of time and I wouldn’t be without mine however if I had it to do over again I think I would have made both of them. There are real good videos on KZbin on how to do it. Put that money towards a power drive for the knee on your mill which will cause you to really wonder how you got a long without something!
@BeckTools
@BeckTools Жыл бұрын
@@37yearsofanythingisenough39 I just ordered a power drawbar and power feed for my Y-axis right after posting the coment above. lol I could probably made one but I've put it off for soooo long that now I don't have time and I'm doing a lot of mill work. I totally agree that I need to put a power feed on the knee. That is a total pain in the arm to crank!
@SuperJaXXas
@SuperJaXXas Жыл бұрын
Interesting, I didn't know about 'movie cameras'!
@titter3648
@titter3648 Жыл бұрын
Nice idea to use a threading bar to chamfer the backside of the hole in the lathe.
@tuberroot1112
@tuberroot1112 Жыл бұрын
I really like the calm explanations of each operation revealing tips and good practice. Quietly informative like a technical machining course without being an obvious lecture. Very enjoyable to watch. Very envious of the kit you have to play with.
@joeldriver381
@joeldriver381 Жыл бұрын
The reenactment was very convincing!
@JBMetalShop
@JBMetalShop Жыл бұрын
I have that same lathe and your channel has been so helpful in getting the most value out of a lathe i cant afford to replace.
@mikeinfinity2572
@mikeinfinity2572 Жыл бұрын
I hope you read this sir. I took a snap shot of the design as you said and I made it. You know what? Great job sir that reduced the chatter problem so much very happy great job it works
@robertcrossley9803
@robertcrossley9803 Жыл бұрын
Great video, camera work spot on really enjoyed watching the machining. Thanks for taking the time to produce
@MrTIGERH1752
@MrTIGERH1752 Жыл бұрын
I made something similar for my little JET lathe and my EMCO. And it works very well. You might want to try AHCS in place of your studs, lower profile, and handy hex head to match your other lathe, fastners. I literally have dozens of soft copper and aluminum bits for protecting machined surfaces, but usually end up using pennies from my pocket, (usually all I have in coinage), because I can't find them in the clutter!!! Love your presentations. Hope to see you again at the BAR Z Bash. Tim
@seldendaniel8819
@seldendaniel8819 Жыл бұрын
AHCS in place of studs would make it possible to have the top of the clamp flat, thus stronger, and simpler to make.
@ralphpavero7760
@ralphpavero7760 Жыл бұрын
I want to thank you for designing that compound clamp I made one for my grizzly go602 it went from 5 thousand to all most zero thank you again
@akschu1
@akschu1 Жыл бұрын
I want a newer/nicer lathe than my G0602 but then James keeps cranking out new videos with amazing add-ons.
@kylemattfield4431
@kylemattfield4431 Жыл бұрын
Random thought and I expect you might be the guy to do it. If you can do active sound canceling with speakers, you should be able to do active chatter canceling for a cutting bit. Vibrameter on one end of the bit, driver on the other.
@jamesriordan3494
@jamesriordan3494 Жыл бұрын
Half the joy of owning Grizzly products is the improvement of the baseline tool - my 4x6 horizontal bandsaw has, for example, embellishments such as flood coolant / lubrication, hydraulics, multiple table extensions and a proper hand wheel for the vise. Similarly, my drill press has been tuned up with an improved table lock / rigidity set up and quill depth DRO. The base value of most Grizzly products is superb; with design improvements such as the ones you have made, they really come into their own from a value perspective IMO.
@meocats
@meocats Жыл бұрын
the fun in buying a better lathe comes with all the new projects you'll be able to do. Your new lathe might have a copy atachment, automatic feed on x and y axis, a bigger spindle bore, and a longer bed. You'll be able to do poligon turning on your new lathe through a CV axis mounted to the feed screw on the tailstock end. A real engine lathe will do things you've only dreamt of. For example, i have a Sn321 lathe. There's a guy on youtube called B B machine shop (germany) with this lathe, you can find it by searching sn321 and going down the list a bit. You can see that this lathe has many more features than a chinese clone lathe. It has clutch on the feed screw for automatic disengagement if the feed force gets too high ----- helps when crashing in a shoulder. It has a 4th feed rod with cams, it has cables going to the compound for automatic disengangement. i'm not even sure what this is for to be honest, my lathe came with those cables cut and they look like electrical. Taper attachment. This thing is as semi-automatic as it gets before cnc. Might even have variable surface speed for facing. 3Kw Motor for a lathe that comes with 750mm between centers. Available in 1 and 1.5 meter centers but that's already like twice as big as g0602.
@russll02
@russll02 9 ай бұрын
"where's the fun in that" I do agree that is one of the reasons i have been building my own equipment, i have my MILL at stage 1, 3 stages designed and currently working on the designs to build my lathe with of course the ELS that you designed. Love you channel. Thanks.
@berntsteinmetz8564
@berntsteinmetz8564 Ай бұрын
good work ! i cut new adjusting screw tips for the gibs. they were cones. i made flats under an 30 degree angle to the axis. better adjustable gib now ! try to press the compound slide by hand while cutting. you will see the flex motion on the part. i ll have to preload the slide against the force for turning the knob by hand.
@mduvigneaud
@mduvigneaud Жыл бұрын
"Why not just buy ..." James, I completely agree with "what's the fun in that?!" A while back I was learning how to make a keyboard and someone suggested I just buy one. I've also had people suggest I just buy a newer version of Photoshop because I was writing my own image processing code to do something specific. Why *not* make your own tools if you know how to do so and have fun learning along the way?
@alewis8765
@alewis8765 Жыл бұрын
Didn't know about the tariff on video cameras. Interesting. I'm curious why you cut the viewing window before boring on the lathe. I would think avoiding an interrupted cut justifies splitting your mill functions. Also, treat yourself to a Haimer gauge. Finding edges with a Haimer will be a breath of fresh air. Thanks for the idea for my next lathe improvement project.
@JohannSwart_JWS
@JohannSwart_JWS Жыл бұрын
I'm no safety nanny, but your hand was ridiculously close to that running fly cutter at 6:56 when applying cutting lube. Made me pucker up :-)
@Clough42
@Clough42 Жыл бұрын
The video makes it look closer than it was.
@somebodyelse6673
@somebodyelse6673 Жыл бұрын
It'll do for now, but I'm looking forward to the full taper attachment :)
@Bob_Jones_
@Bob_Jones_ Жыл бұрын
Cant wait to see the results, nice upgrade
@PositronicDiscombobulator
@PositronicDiscombobulator Жыл бұрын
This is great. I have to chuckle as I am sitting in my workshop with a piece of stock in my lathe that is going to fix my compound. I went for a slightly different design as a don't have a mill. It's the The “Donut" By John Pitkin. I've actually had it in my lathe half finished for a month now, embarrassingly, just got a couple of things to do first.
@PositronicDiscombobulator
@PositronicDiscombobulator Жыл бұрын
Just finished the video. Very inspiring and thanks for the video. I always learn something new with this channel.
@sblack48
@sblack48 Жыл бұрын
If you already have invested a lot of time tooling up your machine and you don’t want to start again with a new lathe one thing that would improve yours substantially is scraping. When I took the King scraping class 3 guys brought in their compounds and 1 cross slide from the their grizzlies (not picking on grizz, all imports have similar issues) and when they blued them up on the surface plate the contact was awful. A few hours of scraping and there was an incredible improvement. I think the Chinese factories just slap ‘em together and there is no effort to get any kind of quality of fit. Also some have warped castings because they aren’t seasoned or stress relieved. The bonus is that to scrape you have to buy a bunch of new cool tools!
@Clough42
@Clough42 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think the cross slide on mine would benefit greatly from this. Even grinding would improve it a lot.
@bking0740
@bking0740 Жыл бұрын
The compound slide was the first thing to go on mine. I like your upgrade and will likely do one myself.
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes Жыл бұрын
12:10 - hmm, I thought it was a _good thing_ if the chips picked up color, because it indicated that they were taking the heat away from the part?? Not so?
@ReactionTime344
@ReactionTime344 Жыл бұрын
Light gold color is ideal. Blue or black chips indicate too much heat in the cut
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes Жыл бұрын
@@ReactionTime344 interesting... I'll have to dive deeper into this someday. Today is not that day. :)
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop Жыл бұрын
I am in the buy a better lathe group. You can't make a silk ear out of a sows purse. Wish I had done that myself. Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.
@chrisford9045
@chrisford9045 Жыл бұрын
You can get the best lathe that money can buy, and you will still want to make modifications, alterations, accessories, improvements etc
@David-hm9ic
@David-hm9ic Жыл бұрын
James, I started working on my clamp this evening. My 11x26 G9972z compound matches your G0602 on all critical dimensions, just in case anyone was wondering. The compound itself is a few thousandths wider but that's not significant. Like you, I started with 3/4" hot rolled mild steel. The question is, is there a mechanical reason like stability to remove the mill finish from both sides or is it for the sense of craftsmanship? Asking because I need to develop a better shield to protect myself from hot chips and haven't yet. I don't have a fly cutter so I use an R-8 Indexable End Mill with TPG32 inserts, 2" diameter. It slings blue hot chips in every direction. For anyone concerned about the movement of the clamp seen at around 19:40, the clamp itself is not a precision piece. The close fit is maintained by the stub coming out of the compound seen during the assembly at 19:00. Even though it requires a considerable number of operations, it's a great teaching project and hitting the dimensions dead on is not critical. I ended up taking my 3/4" raw material to .650" with a 3/4" end mill. The surface finish isn't as nice as James's but I was putting function before form. I didn't care for the finish so I tool 2 of the 3 inserts out of a 2" insert end mill and took off a few thousandths more to make it look better. After finishing the clamp and making a few pieces the difference is remarkable. The previous visible diving of the cutting tool is gone. Surface finish quality is better without any additional effort. It was 100% worth the time and effort to make the new clamp.
@J_CtheEngineer
@J_CtheEngineer Жыл бұрын
My 0754 is currently disassembled for the solid toolpost riser mod. Looks like I’ll have to add this to the list.
@ElectraFlarefire
@ElectraFlarefire Жыл бұрын
Surprised you didn't put another stepper on the lathe, this time on the back of the cross-slide and add some software to the ELS to do tapers. :)
@2oqp577
@2oqp577 Жыл бұрын
I can see the day when I am going to need to do something similar. Thanks for the hints I will need.
@shadwellsong
@shadwellsong 9 ай бұрын
Yay! This is great thank you. Boy I’d love to see a copper handle on that thing.
@Fredpotts
@Fredpotts Жыл бұрын
Another problem with these Chinese compounds is that the two parts of the dovetail impinge in the middle where there is not supposed to be any contact. This makes the upper part of the compound not contact on the intended mating surfaces. Thus it rocks under load. There are several YT videos about how to fix that problem.
@ShedBuiltStuff
@ShedBuiltStuff Жыл бұрын
Exactly. NO FUN in just buying your way out of a problem. 👍
@homemadetools
@homemadetools Жыл бұрын
Nice work yet again. We shared this video on our homemade tools forum this week 😎
@AlsanPine
@AlsanPine Жыл бұрын
i've done the solid riser very similar to yours. i am definitely going to do this update as well. i have seen several variation of this on the different channels but i like this the best as you have maximized the beefiness here. love the channel 🙂
@umahunter
@umahunter Жыл бұрын
Did the exact same a while ago made a huge difference I used to put jacks to stop the tip lol oddly enough the mounting stud for the original setup sheared the very last time I used it
@Chris-bg8mk
@Chris-bg8mk Жыл бұрын
Hey James, you could grind a trepanning tool for the boring head. Always quicker to do another operation in the mill while the part is still set up. (Unless you have to grind a tool…)! 😂. Nice project!
@PeregrineBF
@PeregrineBF Жыл бұрын
IIRC you mentioned it when you made your solid tool post mount, but Robin Renzetti has a solid tool post mount on his Hardinge HLV-H (and did a video on it). Those are $50,000-$100,000 lathes, the only ones capable of holding equal or better tolerances are the Monarch 10EE. And it's *still* a noticeable improvement to take the compound off and put on a solid tool post mount! "Just get a better lathe" doesn't change the fact that every extra joint reduces rigidity. Of course you're not working with ±0.00005" tolerance bands like Robin seems to do regularly, so you might not notice the rigidity loss on a better lathe, but you're a bit of a perfectionist so you'd end up with the solid mount anyway.
@procyonia3654
@procyonia3654 Жыл бұрын
You can definitely feel the difference on a better lathe, I took the compounds off all my big lathes (20hp+) it's a weak point no matter how big and tough the lathe is.
@SoBoring136
@SoBoring136 Жыл бұрын
Simple, but really well made. Thank you
@neillickfold
@neillickfold Жыл бұрын
I am a great fan of 2 jaw keys for use with the 4 jaw chuck. They don't have to be as big as the main key, as you use them in tandem to reduce 4 jaw indicating time while still keeping some load to hold the part. Great idea for the better clamp for the top slide.
@de-bodgery
@de-bodgery Жыл бұрын
Agreed! Where is the fun in that!? You have convinced me! I need to make a better clamp for my compound too. It's got way too much flex in it.
@joell439
@joell439 Жыл бұрын
Exactly James - that was fun
@ikkentonda
@ikkentonda Жыл бұрын
Excellent content as always. I don’t own this lathe but I’d bet real money that two (possibly larger) bolts (or studs and nuts) in the middle on each side of the clamp would be effectively as rigid as the six you have. I’m even more confident that the two middle nuts aren’t accomplishing much with all six tightened. Do me a favor, and perform some tests with an indicator while gronking on the compound with two, three (two on the tailstock side), four, and six nuts tightened. Might save you some annoyance when using the compound.
@erik_dk842
@erik_dk842 Жыл бұрын
Diminishing returns.
@billstoner5559
@billstoner5559 Жыл бұрын
Why on earth would you want to buy a “better” lathe when you can manufacture improvements to your own desires. 😁😁 Great video as usual. Thanks. Nice touch using a 3d model for proof of concept before committing time and material to the finished product.
@melgross
@melgross Жыл бұрын
A weak spot on small lathes is the compound gib. Two problems with it. First is the type of gib. A straight slab using three screws for adjustment. Three screws isn’t enough, it should be four, or more. That type of gib isn’t rigid. The reason is that the three screws project out of the top dovetail to engage the gib. That means that the gib doesn’t engage the dovetail on both sides just the bottom dovetail. This allows the gib to wiggle under high loads. Secondly, when the compound is at an extreme rear position, it loses one screw, effectively, allowing the gib to move sideways a bit. The tapered gibs are much better and were designed long ago to overcome this problem as the gib is always 100% engaged with both sides of the dovetail giving much more rigidity. The second problem is for some reason that I’ve never understood, the compound gib is in the wrong side of the compound. My larger lathes all have the gib on the trailing side. The way this is, the pressure from the load is against that loosy goosey gib with the problems I mentioned, rather than against the solid side of the dovetail. This pressure tends to loosen the compound under pressure rather to tighten it which would be the case if the gib were designed and constructed properly. I’ve spoken to a few others with this problem. I’ve also looked at a fair number of lathes and almost all use the tapered gib on the right side of the compound rather than the left side. It’s something to look into, but correcting it means a whole lot of work which might not be worthwhile. But could allow the compound to be rigid enough to be used for most, or all work.
@mattw7949
@mattw7949 Жыл бұрын
Great, informative video. Clever using the chamfer bit in the boring head.
@TangentJim
@TangentJim Жыл бұрын
James -- Excellent Video -- Excellent Engineering -- Excellent Results . -- Jim
@TheArtOfMistake
@TheArtOfMistake Жыл бұрын
Why spot the centre hole and then annular cut it? See as i have; centre drill and then set up in the lathe with a centre between it and the tail stock and you can better align it
@Clough42
@Clough42 Жыл бұрын
That would also work. Though my mil has a lot more power and torque to run the cutter.
@ADBBuild
@ADBBuild Жыл бұрын
You could have made the flange thicker if you used button head screws instead of nuts and washers. If you were worried about them coming loose, just use medium loctite.
@Lindsay-t2e
@Lindsay-t2e Жыл бұрын
I was just about to suggest exactly this.
@kylelaw7210
@kylelaw7210 Жыл бұрын
Id like to see some rigidity comparisons. Solid tool post is way better than the stock compound but how much better is it than the new compound?
@idontwantcorporateretaliat6301
@idontwantcorporateretaliat6301 Жыл бұрын
aww, I wanted to see this parting some steel stock
@robertoviana514
@robertoviana514 Жыл бұрын
And thanks for providing the detail for my next project.
@car9167
@car9167 Жыл бұрын
I have exactly the same lathe as yours and same issues. The cross slide flexes as well quite a lot. I ended up making another cross slide out of cast iron twice as thick and of course I lost some of the diameter I can machine now. I had to remake the compound base as well and kept the original moving part of the compound
@RoFFen10
@RoFFen10 Жыл бұрын
Whats the difference in diameter on the hole in your cross slide and the pin in your compund? i would have thought that was supposed to be a tighter fit to prevent tilting under tool load from your cutters. i liked this video. good job
@Mudweizer
@Mudweizer Жыл бұрын
Cool video, what lathe would you upgrade to from this one? (Love the last part of the video, hehe.)
@Clough42
@Clough42 Жыл бұрын
It's a big jump, but I'd enjoy a Hardinge HLV-H.
@tmurray1972
@tmurray1972 Жыл бұрын
I still need to do this mod to mine, just haven’t decided on a design yet. I’m thinking a better class of spindle bearings would be a great improvement as well.
@David-hm9ic
@David-hm9ic Жыл бұрын
@tmurray1972, I thought the same thing about my G9972z. Two things changed my mind. One, I took the compound off and cleaned all of the chips from underneath. Two, I got some better (name brand) inserts and started machining better quality metals. I'm using ISCAR DCMT070204/DCMT21.51 inserts with an IC907 coating now and can remove half a thou at will. I got them new in the factory sealed packages on Marketplace at a great price and they're amazing. Unlike most carbide, they give a great finish at lower rpm than most and do well when making shallow cuts, ideal for our smaller lathes.
@624Dudley
@624Dudley Жыл бұрын
Another fun improvement romp. 👍
@AlmostMachining
@AlmostMachining Жыл бұрын
Very nice new mount! thank you!
@lolzlarkin3059
@lolzlarkin3059 Жыл бұрын
I've been thinking of this instead of a solid toolpost. And even tried looking for a compound off a big boy lathe to lash up onto mine. Interested to see how you find it after some use.
@Clough42
@Clough42 Жыл бұрын
So far, it's a massive improvement. The clamp can distort the cross slide, so you have to be careful, but it's really good.
@gerritvisser
@gerritvisser Жыл бұрын
The original clamp also considerably warps the cross slide, making adjusting the gibs impossible. Having just a few thou of clearance will avoid most of that 'fun'. the best lathe is the one you already have in the shop, anything else is dreaming :-)
@lancer2204
@lancer2204 Жыл бұрын
that, and the trashing of the t-slots when some gorilla hauls down hard on the nuts because they don't understand the limits of the machine
@sblack48
@sblack48 Жыл бұрын
He mentioned clearance and so do you but I don’t understand what clearance you are referring to.
@bambukouk
@bambukouk Жыл бұрын
Exactly what was happening on my (very similar/not Chinese) lathe. To clamp, the clamp needs clearance. If it has clearance it will distort cross slide as you tighten the clamp... Making clamp heavier/stronger solves little...
@gerritvisser
@gerritvisser Жыл бұрын
@@sblack48 there is a small (or in case of original large) amount of clearance between the bottom of the bracket Clough42 just made and the cross slide. This is what provides the movement to clamp the graduated dial. There are better designs but more difficult to adapt to this lathe style.
@sblack48
@sblack48 Жыл бұрын
@@gerritvisser oh I get it - the clamp doesn’t actually touch the xslide. Gotcha thx
@Agouti
@Agouti Жыл бұрын
I disagree that the original issue was because its a 2 bolt system - many high quality lathes (e.g. Monarch) only have 2 bolts. I'd like to see some tests on your new better clamp with and without the extra bolts to see if there is any measurable rigidity being added.
@dimsum5567
@dimsum5567 Жыл бұрын
Yea, it’s irrelevant, as the tool post is pushing down.
@jimforsyth2.
@jimforsyth2. Жыл бұрын
Solid tool post and make a taper attachment
@lukerickert5203
@lukerickert5203 Жыл бұрын
A two axis ELS would seem like the obvious way to solve this problem. They work really well and are much easier and cut straighter than any compound slide.
@Clough42
@Clough42 Жыл бұрын
Maybe, but only when traveling in a direction that feeds against the workpiece so the cross slide screw is compressed in the correct direction.
@lukerickert5203
@lukerickert5203 Жыл бұрын
@@Clough42 I did run ball screws but even with trapezoidal screws backlash is easily managed. A properly designed lathe doesn't hurt but I could make a POS emco cut just fine. (With a solid tool post)
@jaycastello1171
@jaycastello1171 Жыл бұрын
Belfanti machine works makes a kit almost identical to your design. It’s been out for a few years now. Been looking at getting one for my G0602
@Clough42
@Clough42 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I wasn't aware of that. It's a fairly obvious design.
@1crazypj
@1crazypj Жыл бұрын
You would have a LOT more rigid set up if the complete base of compound was sitting on a flat surface. Even with 6 screws holding things together it still relies on the diameter of the plate (72mm) The torque applied by cutting forces is further from center and QCTP adds to the leverage available trying to tilt tool-post. Making the mounting much thicker you could machine a taper into center pin and have an external screw (s) to pull things down (then rely on extra surface area to keep things straight) It seems to work pretty well on Myford lathes (I don't have one and have never used one but have seen what's going on underneath compound)
@fakerfake1
@fakerfake1 Жыл бұрын
Hey, I also have a G0602 and something that’s always bugged me is the studs with nuts instead of just using a bolt. Can you explain the reasoning for using the studs and nuts on this project like what grizzly did, instead of simplifying it to 6 bolts?
@piccilos
@piccilos Жыл бұрын
Studs let you get full thread engagement without making a custom bolt. Only reason I can think of
@chrisford9045
@chrisford9045 Жыл бұрын
Using bolts will strip the cast iron threads
@matsbengtsson3756
@matsbengtsson3756 Жыл бұрын
Good improvement. I agree, you need a better lathe.
@salvspitaleri7215
@salvspitaleri7215 Жыл бұрын
Nice work, that's a worthwhile improvement. I have essentially the same lathe and the OEM compound locking arrangement is woeful in terms of rigidity. Will you be leaving the new clamp in the white or applying a surface treatment as a means of corrosion protection, such as bluing or nickel plating?
@dhollm
@dhollm Жыл бұрын
Did it matter what the rotational orientation of the countersink's cutting edges were relative to the 'slide' of the boring head?
@Midlife-Adventures
@Midlife-Adventures Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I have an Australian (purchased) lathe that looks pretty similar however my cross slide has t-slot's in it.
@Clough42
@Clough42 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. I'm thinking about making a new cross slide and that would be an improvement.
@Midlife-Adventures
@Midlife-Adventures Жыл бұрын
@@Clough42 I'm on my second test print at the moment. My recent attempt at a new sturdier base skipped a way to view the index marks. I learned some stuff from your work, thank you. I printed a test piece overnight using the dimensions I'd used on that earlier base but with the tunnel as you have done and allowing for 6 bolts rather than 4 (as in my prior attempt). No real chance of seeing the dial that design so I've trimmed 15mm off the front in my design and sent it back to the printer. The t-slots in mine have a 75mm center spacing and the cross slide is 98mm across so a little different to yours. I love being able to print out a test piece or two to test fit etc although I've not used that capability often enough.
@jimihendrix5576
@jimihendrix5576 Жыл бұрын
@Clough42 Could you tell us where you bought the studs or post a link please? Thank you for sharing and please congratulate the boss lady for us on her fitness progress.
@Thelemorf
@Thelemorf Жыл бұрын
Since I kind of never use my compound, maby I should make a solid block for my lathe. 😊
@jhawker2895
@jhawker2895 Жыл бұрын
Buy a better lathe and Enjoy doing it .... Thanks for sharing ... Stay safe and well....
@RobytheFlorentine
@RobytheFlorentine Жыл бұрын
Hi why don't you put a swcond stepper motor for the y axis ? Taper will be easy and a new great project😅
@frankpiazza953
@frankpiazza953 Жыл бұрын
Wondering why you decided to enlarge the center hole on the lathe instead of using the mill boring tool after you cut the initial hole?
@tonyray91
@tonyray91 Жыл бұрын
That’s an improvement but can’t your ELS do tapers?
@MrRctintin
@MrRctintin Жыл бұрын
Another great project, well done, love your work
@osgeld
@osgeld Жыл бұрын
even if you bought a "better" lathe, its going to have a different set of "issues"
@chrislee7817
@chrislee7817 Жыл бұрын
Don't suppose your lathe supports a taper turning attachment on the back? My old Hardinge does and I adapted a different brand attachment to fit. Still loads of fun to be had with a "better lathe" there is always something new to modify. If you have never used one could you do a video on trying one out somewhere? Is that even possible?
@Clough42
@Clough42 Жыл бұрын
I want to make one. The challenge is space for the screw disconnect.
@deemstyle
@deemstyle Жыл бұрын
You said the solid toolpost was the 3rd best upgrade you've done on the lathe. Can you remind us what the first and second best were? I've been really considering this lathe as a replacement for a very old, very worn South Bend 9a
@Clough42
@Clough42 Жыл бұрын
The ELS and the 3-phase motor and VFD.
@smokingdivot1762
@smokingdivot1762 Жыл бұрын
just wondering. why not bore the hole with the bore head in the mill since it was already setup and centered from the angular cutter? apologize if this is answered by the end of the video.
@Clough42
@Clough42 Жыл бұрын
The hole could be easily bored, but there's a shoulder that needs a flat bottom for clamping, and that's hard to do with a standard boring head. Maybe I need to get a boring/facing head. :)
@ImolaS3
@ImolaS3 Жыл бұрын
Nice fix!
@KZ-yy9pm
@KZ-yy9pm Жыл бұрын
Would you recommend this model in its stock form? Obviously the mods are great just wondering on the stock performance.
@fsj197811
@fsj197811 3 ай бұрын
Good video. It's too bad you didn't take measurements for flexing before and after. X amount with a torque wrench and an indicator to show movement of the compound. Anyway, thanks for sharing! 🙂
@paullyons7621
@paullyons7621 Жыл бұрын
Pardon my ignorance, but I wonder what the benefit of using studs and nuts is over using bolts. Can you enlighten me?
@Clough42
@Clough42 Жыл бұрын
Clearance. You can get a nut into places where there isn't room to back a long screw all the way out of the hole.
@mikevdwerf
@mikevdwerf Жыл бұрын
As always great !
@TERRYB0688
@TERRYB0688 Жыл бұрын
Nice job sir 👍
@mapp0v0
@mapp0v0 Жыл бұрын
The clamp is almost exactly the same as one i made. Except mine is thicker , with lapped clearance between the clamp and base of compound.
@davidapp3730
@davidapp3730 Жыл бұрын
Great video. May try that on mg lathe..
@zincfive
@zincfive Жыл бұрын
Good video, very interesting, thanks!
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