A Better Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle cEDH Primer - Part Two - Excludes, Includes & How to Play Teshar

[@ehallam08]

Yes! I've been looking forward to this episode! I have a similar teshar deck.

[@diegosarceno8936]

I LOVE the mesmeric + basalt combo, I played it in Muldrotha, amazing!

[@NickBlakeJD]

Great video! Can't wait for the next episode of Brew Wars and for the review of Modern Horizon: Urza is so exciting!

[@LocalGameGroup]

Likewise. I need to summon the boiz... Justin is currently out on vacation, so we’ll have to orchestrate a game when he returns. 👌 -Patrick

[@jeffbowling2345]

@@LocalGameGroup any chance Teshar will make it to Brew Wars? Would love to see dome gameplay with him. Been testing your list, changing a few things here and there but would love to see the deck play as intended. Thanks for the content

[@johnbaird6752]

Excellent video, chalice and conch horn are pretty interesting picks, at first I was surprised to see no aether flux but you make a really good point

[@LocalGameGroup]

Yes. Avoid Aetherflux at all costs. 😅

[@Astronomater]

You still hyped about this deck or have new commanders come out since that are more powerful? I have been out of the cEDH scene for about half a year and need to know if this is worth building. This deck appears to have better card draw potential than my current white decks. I am a fan of mono-white as well!

[@LocalGameGroup]

I love Teshar. I play two mono-white lists, both Balan & Teshar. For a Combo Deck, nothing beats Teshar’s adaptability, speed and redundancy so far as executing on the Combo is concerned. However, I gravitate more towards Balan these days as my group doesn’t run much Stax and I enjoy providing the variance. Of the two, I can still highly recommend Teshar. If you want to stifle Opponent’s and thrash them with Artifacts, there’s nothing better.

[@haydenjohnw]

Pretty sure there’s a kid on my basketball team named Teyshar

[@LocalGameGroup]

Teach him how to play Magic with a *Teshar* list 👌 -Patrick

[@WookieRookie]

I find funny that in Outlaws of Thunder Junction there is a pixie printed, that is strictly better in almost any situation as it can return any permanent that is not a land or pixie, not just artifact, and it can opt not to return anything, in wich case it is only 1/1 with flying, but still Hawk costs 1-2 dollars and pixie is almost free.

[@satansamael666]

Teshar is like that quiet kid in class; he's either nice or extremely nasty.

[@meliquidlightning]

I just review your 2 videos and this deck looks pretty cool! I'm happy to build it, nevertheless I would like to make a humble request, can you make an update video? or share and updated list with me of the inclusions that you have made with the recent expansions that came out after the video? I'm a huge fan of mono white and I truly wanna play with it no matter what haha

[@LocalGameGroup]

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/a-better-teshar-ancestors-apostle-2/ - this is the current list and where I will post all future updates to my main decks. "Update" videos are tough, as they're narrow in scope, but I'll consider something similar down the line.

[@helio6839]

Phyrexian Walker and Shield Sphere could be good inclusions? Unless you don't want more artifact creature retrieval targets

[@James-rf4mp]

Patrick, really miss your content. I hope everything is well with you. Please bring back a bad to the bone Teshar update when you decide to come back!

[@trudavy]

Mystic Forge + Top + Semblance Anvil/Foundry Inspector = draw you library

[@jamesstark6711]

I love this deck, I built it a while ago and now back here to recap some of your methods. I have noticed that you have put top and welding jar back in, what has changed?

[@LocalGameGroup]

Yes! The deck will actually be altering a bit more as well... As the meta changes, I've worked out new ways to play this so it keeps up... I love the flux of shifting game plans. Definitely follow my account on TappedOut for the latest updates: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/a-better-teshar-ancestors-apostle-2/

[@spencerdieterich5358]

Future person here, run ingenious smith it's just good card advantage.

[@LocalGameGroup]

👌

[@swordmanjosh]

I have been running Teshar for some time now and I've found that Abolish is a power card. Seems like most people combo out using an enchantment or an artifact and while I am only running 26 land sometimes it is worth it for that Abolish to stop someone else from comboing out. I've stopped people many times as no one expects the white player to do anything being tapped down. Strongly encouraged to find a place in the 99 for Abolish, I even think its much stronger than disenchant.

[@LocalGameGroup]

With a *Plains* in Hand, certainly. We only run ten... Rarely is there a moment when *Abolish* was Castable for it's alternative Cost (from all my testing). I tried it early on. The real trick here: leave mana open. We're not pushing for Turn 2 wins, though we can in some freak scenarios. I play a much slower game, halting my Opponent's and building my Graveyard/Board State for an inevitable win. I rarely ever tap out with Teshar, so Disenchant is just fine for all scenarios.

[@swordmanjosh]

@@LocalGameGroup The only time I've tapped out with Teshar is if I tried to combo off and was stopped. I run more basics than you do and not as cEDH heavy as I don't have the mana vault, Basalt Monalith, or Mox Opal. I can combo off as soon as turn 3 but typically its turn 4-6 with halting my opponents as well. Sounds like I do run about 8 more basics than you which makes all the difference in regards to Abolish. Thanks for the reply and the thoughts.

[@elderkaioshin1690]

Our teshar lists are nearly identical. I only disagree with your opinion of the aetherflux reservoir. I know you dont want teshar to be a storm deck, but at the end of the day, he is a storm deck lol. The whole purpose of the deck is to create graveyard loops off of cast triggers. Aetherflux is an auto include for me. Basalt monolith and orb are cute but I would cut them and include auriok Salvagers as well since you're already running LED and the LED casts bring back creatures from the grave. Great content, keep it up.

[@LocalGameGroup]

Auriok is an over cost, one-off combo with LED... Why would you run this? He’s non-tutorable, non-recurrable and is 4 mana to hard cast. With Teshar out, Salvage Scout & Restoration Specialist act in the same fashion and are stronger options for Teshar. This list wins in a variety of ways: *Aetherflux* is entirely win more, no matter how you dice it. We’re not just spinning the wheels, we’re grinding them. As I said, Basalt is a flex spot, but not for either of those. I’d rather have a bank that can be utilized by a sac outlet for value and infinitely mill my Deck, in either scenario. If you’re looping a Creature in and out of your Grave, you already (likely) have the win. Cards I would consider: Scrabbling Claws, Mana Tithe, Jeweled Amulet (if we need additional ramp) & Sensei’s Top for that Basalt spot. Thank you for watching! Link that list so I can see it. -Patrick

[@elderkaioshin1690]

@@LocalGameGroup tappedout.net/mtg-decks/teshar-storm-3/?cb=1559250920 Here is my current list. It is bad feels when Salvagers goes to the bin, I'm not going to lie. But I generally dont have an issue with it. Aetherflux is a win more, I do agree. But in my opinion, it belongs here. Simply too good not to use. Mesmeric orb is something I'd like to try though, its essentially free draw (since the graveyard is an extension of our hand anyway). Here is the list that inspired me to build mine in the first place. It is, in my opinion, the best teshar list out there. tappedout.net/mtg-decks/primer-teshar-kci-competitive/. I'm glad to see others pushing for teshar in cEDH. My primary cEDH deck is Shimmer Zur and I've yet to find a teshar list that feels on that level. I look forward to seeing what you can do with him. Hopefully you can push him over the edge.

[@LocalGameGroup]

It’s funny, me and Alex were planning on discussing his *Shimmer Zur* list next! All I can say, after a quick glance... We have another *Basalt Monolith* user. 😏 Hahaha, I’m going to give your list a look over momentarily. Teshar has *insane* potential and I’ll be building upon this list with each subsequent set release. I will state, Zur is a tier one list. Teshar, piloted well, is up there; but a tough list to compete with due to all the moving parts. Sadly, no one thing will push him over the edge. Teshar is one of those Commanders that relies thoroughly on the strength of every card in the Deck. Can only get better with more redundancies 🤷‍♂️ Anyways, be well and Happy Brewing! -Patrick

[@iAMtunaFISH]

@@LocalGameGroup RIP Teshar Eggs. Long live Gerrard Eggs. Looking forward to your take on him.

[@LocalGameGroup]

@@iAMtunaFISH Eh. I'm pretty sure I like Teshar better, haha. Far more combo potential than Gerrard who requires additional pieces to combo off. -Patrick

[@UberNoober147]

so why piston sledge? just curious as why you want sorcery speed artifact sacing vs something like thermal navigator

[@LocalGameGroup]

*Piston Sledge* is immediately Tutor-able with more Cards (though we solely use *Stoneforge Mystic* currently, this may change...) and buffs Teshar making him last through *Pyroclasms* and similar effects. *Thermal* is fine, but if we’re going to look for a Creature to Sac our Artifacts it will always be *Arcbound Ravager.* Also, the Deck wins at Sorcery Speed, so we can settle for this trade off in the long run. I used *Thermal Navigator* for a long time and the Card was found wanting. *Piston Sledge* gives us threats and helps us trade up in Combat (which Commander, even competitive, devolves into). Hope this helps!

[@SacredCharizard]

Have you ever considered Perilous Myr or Ticking Gnomes as options for win conditions?

[@LocalGameGroup]

I had. There’s enough win conditions built into the list to warrant their need. Ticking > Perilous, but either require infinite generic mana to be enabled. There really isn’t a flex spot for either. -Patrick

[@MasterQuestMaster]

14:20 So you need another artifact on the board. It's a downside, sure, but the upside of also doubling as protection should be worth it. Though it's true that it's easy to get stuff back.

[@LocalGameGroup]

We’re happy to have most of our Cards in the Graveyard here... You need a valid Target is the most important part. Sacrificing an Artifact will not allow you to *Regenerate* an Artifact. This will only come in handy as: 0cmc Trigger for Teshar & a safety net. Again, as you mention, not difficult to get our Artifacts back in this list. -Patrick

[@mindreendtre]

@@LocalGameGroup Welding Jar can target itself and should most likely be included in your list!

[@goldengoosed1574]

What do you think of shimmer myr it’s a card I’m testing in my list and I’ve been loving it.

[@LocalGameGroup]

I used it in an early version... I’m usually content to win on my Turn, haha. However, with the mana sufficient to go off at Instant, why not?

[@seanmower3926]

Is there a reason why we don’t run altar of the brood in our lists

[@LocalGameGroup]

Underworld Breach.

[@seanmower3926]

@@LocalGameGroup that makes perfect sense

[@diogomoraes6790]

cant sac welding jar... whaaaat? you can always target itself with the ability.

[@LocalGameGroup]

Time signature? That’s true ☝️ I’m a liar.

[@Winterhe4rt]

@@LocalGameGroup Also you can use a regenerate effect on any legal target. It def does not have to "is about to get destroyed".

[@michaellay1847]

i was under the impression that any mana of a color that is made that isnt in your commanders color identity becomes colorless

[@michaellay1847]

looks like they removed that back in 2016 lol

[@xSkye629x]

Does this deck work on a budget minus all the $50+ cards?

[@LocalGameGroup]

Yes and no... Mana Vault, Mana Crypt, Grim Monolith, Lion’s Eye Diamond... They are all used for infinite mana. However, you can cut/trim certain elements, but don’t expect the deck to be as consistent. That’s all 🤝

[@xSkye629x]

@@LocalGameGroup Darn, cuz most of those are outside of my budget range. Thanks though!

[@cpudraner]

What is the Despotic Scepter for?

[@LocalGameGroup]

It’s a utility stick. With Teshar out, it can serve multiple tasks: from retrieving/burying any Permanent - generally an LTB Apostle for a much needed Artifact - to acting as a self-sacrificing Answer during any given Combo with a Cost-Reducer/Infinite Mana. It’s an excellent, cost-effective Historic Trigger for Teshar and a great addition to the list. It can be substituted for various cards, but I lean towards having it in the 99. -Patrick

[@CorZ1lla]

Any more updates to Teshar bro?

[@LocalGameGroup]

Over on Moxfield, yes! Soon... Waiting for all of Commander Legends to hit.

[@CorZ1lla]

@@LocalGameGroup thanks my man, haha yeah it's a very busy time.

[@ivepesusic8792]

Why not Ranger-captain of eos???? He is tutoring for arcbound ravager and can sac himself to buy you another turn vs combo O.o ALSO 3 mana

[@LocalGameGroup]

(Look at the list). 👌

[@ivepesusic8792]

@@LocalGameGroup oh my XD i am blind hehe sry. What about metalworker?? i wtf grim monolith used to be 5 euros o.O. now why did i sell my old collection -.-

[@LocalGameGroup]

Oh man, Grim Monolith’s are farrr too much nowadays... So, concerning Teshar & Metalworker, our Mana curve is extremely low and generally speaking we’ll have played out the Artifacts that would fuel Worker’s Ramp ability. Normally, we don’t need excess Generic Mana for Casting, so the Worker finds little use here.

[@TheRabbitHiro]

is the male version of teshar supposed to help with masculinity?

[@LocalGameGroup]

I thought Aven were gender neutral. I liked the art 🤷‍♂️ That simple.