A Better Understanding of RV Park Wi-Fi

[@henryblosser]

Good explanation. Just like you, I retired from a job where I designed and implemented networks. More often than not, I find campground WiFi service to be too slow. For that reason, I've elected to use my own hot spot thru a cellular carrier. Thanks again for a very good explanation of campground WiFi.

[@donnaw.509]

David..so missed not seeing a video a week. Just love seeing you and Brenda weekly ...really!!

[@DavidBott]

Weekly is kind of hard for sure. But glad you like the video when we can make them. This video for example, I spent about 6 hours on to make it with the editing I did with it so it was not just a static shot for the entire talk. But we have been talking about maybe trying to do a weekly or bi-weekly 1 hour live stream chat.

[@garyhanson4133]

Thanks David. I have several access points in my store that the computer company put in, that I told them they were doing wrong. You just proved me right. They installed access points 10' apart and called it good. We do have good signal from access point but rf gun doesn't work well. So gun to access point is where it's falling down. Thanks to you we're moving the access points out where they should have been. I didn't think about signal from gun to access point. Again thanks. Remember if you ever get up to Montana to stop and say hi.

[@Schwartzworld]

David, love the video. Make perfect sense to me. I'm a tech geek by hobby and career. I have a WIFI hot spot with unlimited data to handle my streaming and WIFI needs. The cost of the hot spot is just a fact of the RV life for us. Sometimes we can't get a good cell signal but 99% of the time we have a good connection for our WIFI needs. Keep up the good work.

[@plustgraaf]

For the park in Michigan that is across a river from high speed access. That is a perfect application for a gigabit wireless bridge. Those are now available relatively cheap compared to what they cost a few years ago.

[@DavidBott]

Yes, at the time I was talking to them I did mention they could do a wireless bridge if had someone on the other side of the river.

[@garymmarich4265]

Hello, You network guys/gals have been a pain in my butt my whole career, thank goodness and right again. Your video opened my eyes, I will be ordering Dish for our RV this week. Thank you for your insight.

[@tcsimmons73]

Thanks for the explanation David. I.T. network guy myself, so I understood a lot of what you were talking about. However, looking into F/T RV living come retirement, so great to plan ahead for what I can/cannot or should/should not be doing RV'ing.Thanks!

[@chriswhite3514]

Chris, Im building a RV park in Ocoee TN. Im trying to decide on dedicated or non dedicated service. Is 1G dedicated to much for 28 rv sites?

[@bhv1960]

Great video David, very informative. Never realized what goes into the wifi system before. Now I won't be so quick to judge the park! Thanks!

[@DavidBott]

Yes, it is not as easy as calling your cable company for Internet. I am sure all parks would like to have it working, but data is the #1 thing needed and then a properly designed and managed network is another. Right now as I type this, the North Texas Jellystone Park I run is using 76Mbps network wide spiking at 90Mbps We have 109 AP's currently on-line with 283 devices connected. And that is with with network managed. I know if it was not, we would be overloaded bandwidth wise. BTW...The sad part is the US is actually behind all other developed countries when it comes to high speed Internet access and Public Wi-Fi access.

[@chrisboggsfmc1]

Great Video. So I have a question. Watch another video of yours about a Wi-Fi booster. If the best you can expect is 3MB why do you need a booster? Thanks

[@DavidBott]

If you are taking about that it only went up 3Mbps..That is actually good. If you where in the coach without the booster, it is likely the speed would be DOWN vs being outside. This way you have a large antenna outside up high where it can pull in more signal and it brings that into the RV. So you gain in REACH and power. Hope this helps.

[@bptraveler6608]

Very informative. Can you recommend a good WiFi antenna/Booster?

[@DavidBott]

Yes, sure can. Here is the blog post and video I did on making a high powered one... outsideourbubble.com/build-a-private-rv-wi-fi-system-for-under-100/

[@bobs4103]

Hi David, Thanks for the excellent video! Can you please provide a bit of technical explanation on the 50% bandwidth loss per hop? Thanks much, Bob S

[@DavidBott]

In simple terms...A typical wi-fi radio is not able to send and receive at the same time, it can only spend 50% of its time receiving from station A and 50% of it's time transmitting to station B. Two radios need to talk to move data, in doing do there is a delay waiting for replies as only one can talk at a time thus a loss in time of 50/50 conversation (Send/wait for reply). Now when you add another wireless HOP into that, this is again another 50/50 conversation to wait for but this time from another set of radios thus adding to the loss in speed. Thus a "relay" of the message from one radio to another has to take place. This can vary based on the tech used and MIMO radios (Multi In Multi Out) so you can reduce this some with multi pathing. But for the most part, 50% per hop is used when considering a setup.

[@dallasgriffin3024]

Excellent vid David, just what i was looking for. I am a RV park owner looking for wireless solutions for our guests. We were currently informed that fiber is now available to us and we are looking to ax our old incoming wireless internet. Thank you.

[@DavidBott]

Great to read your park will have the data it will need to support your clients. As you have learned, it is the #1 facing most RV parks/resorts that want to provide good Internet to it's guests. For without enough data, you will surely get bad reviews on that part of your offerings. Also be sure to use someone who UNDERSTANDS what they are putting in. UniFi ( unifi-network.ui.com ) is a good system to deploy as it is easy to control and easy to add to if the need arises and offers a lot of features that RV Parks can use. It also can be controlled remotely as I do for parks when I can't be on-sit for it is what I install in parks with my largest park having over 140 access points! Glad you found the video helpful.

[@dallasgriffin3024]

@@DavidBott Thanks for the reply David. Do you do consulting? I reached out to someone about a system but thinking their prices are high. Just wondering how i may contact you if you would be interested in speaking more in depth to a park owner. Will check out the link you provided above, Thank you.

[@DavidBott]

@@dallasgriffin3024 I am sorry to say I do not as I do not do it for a living. If I was in the area or staying at the park, that is when I help others. Usually like when we are in a park with poor Wi-Fi I ask if I can be of help. Or if someone like yourself in in an area we will be traveling to or though, then I can make arrangements to stop. Willie Howe is very good and does consulting work and if not in your area, may likely be able to help connect you. You can find him at www.williehowe.com and please tell him I said hello.

[@jerrydaminato743]

Thanks for the information David. This is the first time it's been explained to me. Very interesting.

[@Rosscoff2000]

Re ~3.39 you don't distinguish between an access point pumping out a big signal because it has a high gain antenna or because it has a very high-power transceiver. They are different situations... If it's a high-gain antenna on a normal power wireless then chances are it *will* hear you just as loud as you hear it , because that antenna gain also acts on the signal received from you. On the other hand, if it's a powerful wireless on a lower gain antenna then as you say, you will see a strong signal from it, but it does not get back a strong signal from you.

[@legaleagleandpaws8198]

Certainly sounds like the wifi Ranger isn't really all what it is cranked up to be, especially if the parks start to limit the bandwidth like you said. I haven't gotten my rig yet but did anticipate steaming movies as the rest of traditional TV is for the birds. Now I realize that is not practical or polite. So what are your options?

[@DavidBott]

You still want a booster as it will improve your changes at a good connection. The Wi-Fi Ranger to me is over priced. You can make a high powered setup for under $100. You also can use JetPacks from Verizon or AT&T and be able to stream as long you are in a good coverage area of course. Here is a blog post I did on building that boosting system: outsideourbubble.com/secure-private-rv-wi-fi-and-making-a-better-park-connection-for-under-100/

[@SandGnatBBQ]

Look at RV parks as being hotels. Most hotels do not have the infrastructure to allow you to stream movies either. Some that do may charge a premium to allow you on the network. I would happily pay a per day charge at an RV park for if they had a properly designed and implemented network with sufficient bandwidth.

[@legaleagleandpaws8198]

Saw it that is why I was asking. Good job by the way David. Really like your videos:)

[@twdenman1]

Kelly G., you hit the nail right on the head. RV parks should advertise their WiFI is good enough to surf and email. If you want to stream, pay up. That should keep their campsite prices down for us old folks, who remember desktop computers, 356K, used to cost $4000.00! :-) Ted

[@hummer4u2nv11]

Excellent...really excellent! ! ! Very well informed and instructional for BOTH side of the situation. Thank YOU !

[@DavidBott]

Your welcome.

[@kentbullard6917]

David, thanks for your excellent review. I'm guilty of criticism of some parks but never in reviews or online. But even though my tech understanding is very limited, I can follow what you are saying. It helps me to be more tolerant or understanding of the parks to kinda understand what's happening.

[@dutch971]

David I believe you had a good video explaining the difference between mesh networks, point to point, and other intricacies of network configurations. I can’t find it.

[@DavidBott]

Sorry, not that I remember doing.

[@dutch971]

Well thanks for replying back. Your videos on this topic have been helpful.

[@darrelranf8060]

I understand that RV parks may have limitations; however, in this day and age, the internet streaming needs to become a standard. Granted, we may need to accept that cost may have to be passed onto the RVers or at least those needing this service. There are many legitimate needs especially for people with children and those working remotely. To flatly say we can’t allow it, is sending the wrong message. The reality for some time now is the internet needs to be available for all reasonable needs. If I had to guess, the makeup of the RV community’s demographics are changing.

[@DavidBott]

Please take note that this video was from 2017 and yes, times have changed. The sad part is, to this day, most RV Parks don't have the data they need to support streaming as they just can't get it into the park. And if they could, they did not spend the money to install a Wi-Fi Network to be able to use the bandwidth. The point being is still the same...Most RV Park networks were NOT made to support such bandwidth needs.

[@Daggercrossover]

The prices are really high now days and the RV parks should be able to give unlimited internet

[@stevenrodgers333]

I agree, the RV Parks should allow streaming and the RV industry and ISP's need to adapt to the current times where everything & everyone is streaming and uploading.

[@sw1ft2U]

I love this guy he's so thorough explaining things SUBBED !!

[@OUMagMan]

Thank you. I feel mo' edumacated now. Sometimes let us know about "Hotspot" ~vs~ JetPack??

[@DavidBott]

More or less the same. A HotSpot actually refers to your smartphone being set up to share it's Internet connection with other devices. A JetPack does the same but is a standalone device. The terms are usually used interchangeably however by those that are not aware. Hope this helps.

[@davidcarver9462]

Hi So first of all,... great informative video... We’re staying at Maragaritaville RV resort at Lake Lanier Islands. I’ve confirmed Via several Speedtests that we’re being throttled. The thing I don’t understand is i performed the test via LTE when I connect to the parks wifi on my phone the little radar so I’m not sure it’s valid. Hopefully it’s valid. Anyway, I’m thinking it since it’s a newer corporate RV park in an suburban area I believe the wi-fi is well designed. So I get the throttling notion. What I’m confused about is that often when we do connect the little radar symbol only shows this week signal and we’re not more than 30 feet from the antenna. Also as you can imagine the password for the RV park is pretty simple. Often times while trying to connect putting in the right password it says unable to connect or incorrect password. So there’s these inconsistencies that we just don’t understand. I’m thinking that in order to do work on the road to get the proper bandwidth we’re going to have to go the route of a separate hotspot.

[@WentworthCCTV]

Often times in a campground, the installer has put in 802.11n dual band access points. Often times you can be on 5Ghz when you are close to the access point, or antenna provided by the campground. As you move further away from it, or lose line of sight, you can be switched to 2.4Ghz, which is the stronger but slower signal. That would explain the changes in your signal strength indicator. Alpha networks offers a Camp Pro device. it a antenna that goes on your camper and cam amplify campground signal. In has a USB cord that goes into your RV and comes with its own mini router. Very common to Rvers.

[@stillhoneymoonn7316]

Great video and explanation in simple terms. I always wondered about WIFI in RV Parks and the challenges they face so we can still be "connected." Thank you

[@DavidBott]

Yes, it is not as simple as calling the cable company to get Internet service most of the time. And if it is that easy, can they get enough and at what price? It is all based on location just like Wi-Fi towers.

[@barrytipton1249]

We love our Netflix and Amazon but understand the park limitations. We are starting to look at mobile hot spots and were wondering if they will provide what is needed to stream our favorite movies and shows? I am also putting all of our movies on an external drive that will connect to our TV. We don’t want to be “that” person at a park. Thanks for another great video.😎

[@DavidBott]

Hi Barry...Yes, HotSpots and JetPacks are able to stream shows. But just like RV Park Wi-Fi, that will depend on the about of bandwidth that is required at the time. Cell towers, like Wi-Fi access points, can become congested and will very in speeds based on things just like Wi-Fi. (Signal, number of users, etc, etc.)

[@barrytipton1249]

David Bott Thanks, David. You are always a huge help and wealth of knowledge. Have a great day!😎

[@ulrikej.faidt-berisford4892]

Hi David and Brenda, what are you doing in order to stream youtube when in an RV Park. I never stream because I am afraid I am using up our two hot spots to quickly. What are our options. Thanks!

[@DavidBott]

We use Jetpacks also. We have AT&T and Verizon unlimited plans. KZbin is not the issue that Netflix, Hulu and Amazon are because the videos are usually shorter and the compression is very, very good. I do not see KZbin on a public network to be an issue personally based on how it is used.

[@ulrikej.faidt-berisford4892]

Thanks! This was a very informative vlog... very well done.

[@johnhahn987]

Access point signals must be strong and then you need Bandwidth 300-500 Megs per sec for a small park of 100 Spaces. Everyone streams now.

[@DavidBott]

Hi John....AP signals do not need to be strong if you can not talk back to them because your output is low on your device. It talks two. You actually can be too strong and have poor service. :) (Like someone standing next to you talking to you will a bullhorn, you will not hear it all and will also get tired of it and shut him down. Radios do that.) Also, that 300-500 is way overkill for a park that size for the needs. (Though would that not be nice.) Even if you had it, you likely would not be able to push it out the AP's as they are limited in speed based on the number of devices connected to an AP and other things. This park, North Texas Jellystone, has 150Mbps in and out, on fiber, seeing it is controlled and maintained, it runs just fine with 122 AP's with soon to be 500 sites. And yes, everyone steams, and that is what kills most RV parks seeing they can not get the bandwidth needed based on their location. So this was more to help people understand the issues etc before trashing a park about Wi-Fi.

[@WentworthCCTV]

@@DavidBott great explanation. This was prior to 802.11ax or WiFi6. The new APs are changing all that with MU-MIMO. 8 streams per access point. We are talking over a gig per Access Point now. So if a campground has a proper point to point system designed (not that mesh garbage) a 100 site campground does need more internet resources. Many of our parks are now offering a free SSID broadcasts for basic streaming (2Mbps) and a premium SSID (10Mbps) for streaming. They charge campers through a paywall or payment portal that will generate usernames and passwords for usage on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. This gives the campgrounds a revenue stream that will pay for the WiFi system in about 3 seasons.

[@Schoolhouse-mw6ve]

Very, very educational. Thank you!! .....and, very well presented.

[@DavidBott]

Thanks. I tried to make it so it could be understandable.

[@DavidBott]

@dotellme2 Hi...What is the name of your park and where is it located? I can take a look at it over Google Maps to get an idea for you. best way to reach me is though OutsideOurBubble.com and the contact page.

[@twdenman1]

Are satellite dishes, the way of the future to get WiFi? AND TV? Ted

[@DavidBott]

No based on costs and the setup required each time you stop. In the future, we will get Wi-Fi from little sats and have coverage all over even where cellphones won't work. Few years away still.

[@twdenman1]

Thank you David.

[@wahlrite]

Is watching local news on fire TV considered streaming?

[@DavidBott]

FireTV comes in different forms. Some built into a TV's. If it is just a device that is connected to WiFi and no other antenna, then yes, it is a streaming only device. If it is something that has use of an antenna that you can SCAN for local channels, then no, it will then be using the HDTV antenna and not streaming local TV stations.

[@kingrpriddick]

What are your favorite APs for RV parks these days? Maybe even a video on which AP is best at filling each need or section of a park. You obviously have alot of experience and it's hard to find trustworthy reviews that are focused on the needs of a park.

[@WentworthCCTV]

Engenius ECW260 WiFi 6 AP is what works best in RV parks. Line of site is critical. In other words, the campground should have a AP viewable from each site. Heatmaps and other tools are used to determine proper deployment of AP's

[@kingrpriddick]

@@WentworthCCTV Good to know, thanks for the response!

[@Daggercrossover]

For the price some of the RV parks charge ( like Jellystone ) they should be able to supply unlimited internet

[@Jrprez22]

Is watching videos on youtube considered streaming?

[@DavidBott]

It is, however it is not at all as bad as NetFlix, Amazon or Hulu based on the length of time usually used and the compression they use which is really great. (Doing more with less.) Usually when someone refers to streaming, it happens to do with television or movie content from content providers.

[@joycebarnett5813]

Thanks for that. I am not tech savy but I understood what you said. Great job explaining.

[@DavidBott]

Then I did my job right! I so thank you for saying that as the intent was to make so it could be understood. So I did well. :)

[@joycebarnett5813]

I love watching your videos. Thanks for telling it so it is ok. Have a wonderful evening

[@nothermarkgnomex]

People really do not get the fact that all utilities are limited. It's not just WiFi. The power company does not put in enough capacity to fill the park with DP's running 3 A/C's so there are brownouts. The well or water main to the park is only capable of x amount of water, try for more and the pressure drops too much. Other factors limit the basic supply to these systems. One of those factors is that RV parks are not high priority for most local governments or utilities.

[@sylviac2631]

So, does this mean that buying boosters, repeaters and/or extenders is a waste? I live in an RV park in a city. I understand (pretty much) what you're saying and I think the park provides pretty good bandwidth, but there are a lot of "streamers" and I want my share (occasionally)! ;) I mostly watch youtube and do not subscribe to any paid channels like Netfilx.

[@DavidBott]

No, I did not say that at all. I use all of them. Wi-Fi booster, made a video on how to make one for under $100, and also use cell phone 4G booster to get better service. The point here is that all RV parks Wi-Fi is not done well or they may not have the bandwidth to support the park as it would need to be. Heck, in a city, if you had a Wi-Fi booster like I did the video on, you might be able to pick up Wi-Fi somewhere else. I have got StarBucks from 3/4 mile away and had batter speeds than the park I was in. Here is the post and video... outsideourbubble.com/build-a-private-rv-wi-fi-system-for-under-100/

[@rbstorms]

To be fair to the park we live in, they TELL YOU UP FRONT, the free park wifi is for basic surfing and email, only. No streaming! However, I would gladly pay for a streaming-capable tier, if they offered it. Instead, we had to use tethering on our phones until we got into a monthly site and could order up internet from AT&T or Spectrum.

[@USAFAFRet11]

You hit the nail right on the head.

[@timfoster5043]

A lot of truth here. My company provides ISP services to a couple of RV parks (and lots of businesses and residences) and in an RV park, it's not at all uncommon to have constraints beyond our ability to control.

[@sungkim6923]

I didn't know about this. Thank you for share great video.

[@minvonuk]

Loved your clear explanation, thanks

[@stevenrodgers333]

I know this was made 5 years ago but I have to disagree. In my RV Park we have so many full timer's living in the RV's so we need full time streaming capabilities. I'm sure some are working from home as well.

[@jeffklinger1164]

I see and agree what you are saying. However, people today define "WIFI", as total access with great speed ( something they get on their handheld device through a cell carrier), and expect in whether in Starbucks, home, or XYZ RV Park. So, until big-time bandwidth is available everywhere, people will be disappointed.

[@DavidBott]

So true Jeff. The US is actually last compared to developed countries in Wi-Fi services!

[@sromo522]

Thanks for explaining it.

[@DavidBott]

Weclome.

[@mferrarorace]

Thank you David

[@DavidBott]

Welcome Brian.

[@billruslink1744]

Thanks David. Great content.

[@paulgreen2303]

All understandable David, BUT, we all want unlimited utilities - we are all sharing the AC Power, we are all sharing the Fresh Water and we all want full access to the Sewer system. I guess if we all didn't think this was "normal" we could all limit our use of AC and Water and Sewer. But that's not what we want from our RV Parks. And the same goes for Wifi. We WANT to stream. We want good access to reasonably fast wifi and many times we're willing to pay for it. Streaming is not BAD. Just like running one, two or even three Air Conditioners is not bad either. Or taking a shower daily is not bad. I understand the limitations that RV parks wrestle with - but it's not unreasonable for us to treat Wifi the same way we treat these other necessary utilities.

[@DavidBott]

Hi Paul...I am sorry to say you missed the point. If a RV Park has a little pipe coming in for water, you surely would not have good water supply if people are doing things with water at the same time. But today, the items you mention like electricity is not an issue at RV parks.(For the most part) For you to say it should be like that means you do not understand still want is involved in such services. Sure you WANT to stream...so would I...but the reality is with how things are today, you can not expect that at all and I would hope you would better understand that after this video. That was the point of the video. So YES is is very unreasonable for you to treat Wi-Fi the same, as it is not. Using your own example of electricity...I would have to guess you have experienced brown outs. Well that is running our of power when to much is used at the same time. But again, usually such things are not like that while Internet access is as it is not the same all across the country. If you can only get X amount of data into the park, that is it. Nothing more you can do about it. Sure it would be nice, I would also like 4G service to work all the time, but it is just not the case, for the same reasons as Wi-Fi actually, and you surely should not expect it epically in smaller areas. Ok, wait, maybe you can expect it...but you surely will be disappointed. It is not the same as the other items you mention...even though each of those all also have their limits.

[@DavidBott]

John...Paul is correct that streaming is not "bad". It is not when you use it at home etc or hotels where you are setup to be able to handle the bandwidth needed. But it is the largest use of internet bandwidth. My guess is that he may not have fully understood that bandwidth it is not like other utilities as you may not be able to get good service at the location. Cell towers are the same...if to far out or overloaded, you will not be able to stream from them either and that is a service you are paying deeply for.

[@joethecomputerguy1]

Wow!!! You have more patience than I David Bott. With thought processes like Paul Green I am glad I never connect to park wifi. Cellular only for me.

[@DavidBott]

Hi Joe...It's all good. To some people, getting internet is as easy as calling your cable company. So they may not have actually thought about how hard it can be for RV Parks to actually get service. And when they can get service, how limited that service can be. Again, like a water pipe which can only service so many people at one time. It's all good.

[@paulgreen2303]

The point I"m making is... that RV parks that charge good money for a RV Site NEED to supply internet good enough for us to treat it like a utility. Because that's what it is. What David is saying is in reality that RV Park owners don't want to invest in Wifi the same way they've invested in Power and Water and Sewer. To many RV park owner bandwidth is an extra. It's optional. It's not required like AC/Water/Sewer. So, they are not willing to invest in both the bandwidth and the network to make that work. I get what David is saying. But I say we should not give RV Park owners or State Park Administrators a pass on providing adequate internet. For David to tell people to just use less is an RV Park owner's point of view. Not a "customer's" point of view. He's telling us about RV Park owners saying "I can't" but the reality is really "I don't want to pay to make it happen" His own example of the RV park across the river. That RV Park owner is not going to accept a limitation in AC Power across the river, nor water supply. If need be the RV Park owner will pay to get an abundant supply of both. We'll I'm putting bandwidth in the same category as AC power and water. We should all expect that RV Park owners SHOULD spend the money necessary to provide enough bandwidth for whatever is normal - and streaming IS normal. We want it all. I agree that David is telling it like it is. What I want to tell David is that it should be so much better than that and that it's OK for the paying public to expect or even demand more. Not settle for less.

[@InnovativeVideos956]

tcp is a three way handshake "conversation".

[@joanhazelgrove9444]

So I guess the message is, if you want to watch TV in an RV park, use the cable access provided instead of streaming. I am trying to learn all this.

[@DavidBott]

Yes...That is what it is there for. Not to mention you could use Satellite TV like Dish Network or DirecTV and even use a DVR to record shows just like at home. People just are not aware of how public network operate and just expect them to work like they do at home. I thought this video chat was long over due IMHO.

[@yoblob34]

Why have it if u can’t use it then who gives u the power to cut somebody off because they want to stream a move for their grandkids u are wrong to disconnect someone off the internet for streaming

[@jeffbranning144]

Excellent video Dave! As a systems analyst, I appreciate how well you describe WiFi & networking in your video in more of a layman’s terms!! I work from the road a lot of times while traveling and need WiFi to VPN and then RDP to my desktop at work. I use the RDP session so I’m not dragging the large communication of data for everything I need to do down to my local laptop and and then pushing it back across the WiFi back to the work network. Using an RDP session helps to keep my file manipulation local to the corporate network as much as possible. I hate being on parks network and not being able to use their WiFi and have to use my personal AP but will when needed when the speed is unbearable however it makes me appreciate the parks which have well thought out WiFi networks installed. 😉

[@DavidBott]

Thanks Jeff. Glad you liked it. And yes, great use of RDP. :)

[@JC-tn4zi]

I agree with bandwidth limiting. But,, when a RV park with a so called network expert, limits it to 5 kb bandwidth to prevent Netflix, etc. streaming that demonstrates to me the so called expert has no clue what to do.

[@DavidBott]

Hope you are not referring to me. :) 5 kb I would not think anyone, especially an expert, would ever setup as a limit as that surely would not do much. However, you may find it interesting that 1Mbps actually is enough to surf and do email on which is the intent of most public Wi-Fi services. This is made possible due to all the compression that take place with websites seeing that mobile devices are really now the most used devices for browsing. As such, a site need to be able to do more with less as these devices do not have the storage or raw power of a desktop or notebook computer. It is quite interesting as you would never think so....but it's true. :) All in all, I surely would want more speed if I can get it. But just wanted to point out the issues that RV parks have. It all starts with how much data they can actually get into the park and that is greatly impacted by location. At Southwoods RV Resort in Byron, NY they only have 65Mbps down and 5 Mbps up as that is all they can get. I have the park set at 4Mbps down and 2Mbps per device. They have no internet complaints and actually receive kudos for the service because it works. :)

[@SandGnatBBQ]

I agree and disagree with your opinion. I agree that without a campground paying for and having a proper AP layout and configuration, they are never going to satisfy their customers. Bandwidth is a huge piece like you explained, but most park owners cannot justify, to themselves, why they need to spend thousands of dollars for a WiFi professional to design and deploy a WiFi network. I disagree with the per device bandwidth contracts. If a network is designed properly, and has enough bandwidth, contracts can actually take away from the experience since they simply force a client to retry. This adds to the overhead of the network and channel busy. Another issue within the parks is that RV owners try to connect all of their devices to the RV network instead of having a single wireless connection (bridge) into the park network. This would help cut down on wireless contention and help everyone have a better experience. If this were the case, bandwidth contracts would be limiting per RV and help everyone's user experience. By the way, I am a WLAN engineer for a leading manufacturer and would love to chat sometime about what it is you are doing. Thanks for the great video, Dave, and trying to explain to the masses. It is appreciated.

[@DavidBott]

Hi..."If a network is designed properly, and has enough bandwidth," But that is the issue....most RV parks can not get the bandwidth needed to support a large number of people. So limiting speed per device is one way to be sure the experience can be spread out as not much data is needed to surf and do email. If you do not limit, you can have one person using PtP sharing or something that can consume all the bandwidth they can get. I know I surely can bring a park to it's knees if I wanted to if not limited. :) And yes, bridges would help the RV also protecting them from a public network. I have seen and controlled another persons Chromecast. :) That was fun. I have also printed to an HP printer with the note..."I can see your printer so you may care to disconnect it from the RV Park Wi-Fi. Have a good day." :) But yes, I have 34 devices connected to my network in my coach. From Echos to LED controllers. Thats a lot. :) Take care.

[@sekiride]

I would pay the park for better WiFi. They see how the RV world is changing and they need to change like hotels did

[@rbstorms]

Same Here! But there is no option from our park. You get the same "shared" interweb, "but it's "free!" We had to wait until we were in a monthly site before we could order up internet from AT&T. I've actually thought about offering our neighbors internet for a small fee.

[@manicr1]

Comparing hotels and RV parks is misleading and uninformed. Hotels can get a wired infrastructure in place and the rooms don’t change constantly. When dealing with wireless “WiFi” networks, frequencies are limited, they are overlapped, and atmosphere, park design and, the RV placement itself drastically affect quality of service. This video did a good job of giving a brief and simple explanation of some issues, but it’s actually much more complicated that what was discussed. There are practical limits to what can be done with a shared WiFi network in an RV park scenario.

[@ironmank955]

Full time rv parks are becominh more popular. Time to get with the times. Dont agree with limited bandwidth if the rv park advertises full time rv lease.

[@CreachterZ]

Rock on, Bud!

[@Campfirepiston]

I heard that! Do as I say not as I do, let's go watch a movie LOL NEW SUB

[@danielle19xx]

Thanks for all of the info! Love you guys... I'm not a fan of that 360 camera you have used lately. It really distorts you both and makes me a bit sea sick as I watch... ha ha. Could just be me ;-)

[@DavidBott]

Totally understand that 360 VR is not for everyone. :) It surely is the coming thing. Even TV manufacturers are now looking to embed what is needed in order to be able to handle 360 videos. We have had people write us that they love it and have put on VR headsets to watch much makes them feel like they were sitting right there with us. :) Quality is harder, as it does require much more bandwidth based on how large the image is being all around.

[@larmo5980]

When you say streaming is a bad thing you are not speaking for all of us RVers. I DO stream and expect to stream. I use internet to conduct business while i travel and I need to stream. I hate rv parks who a have terrible wifi service. What we pay for nightly Full Hook Ups, which is often more than a motel room, we expect good service. I think rv parks dont have good service because they are to cheap to spend the money to have good service. If the wifi is bad or slow I wont stay or wont be back and i will give a bad review. I also am a workcamper and i believe that what I am saying is the majority not the minority. I get complaints all the time about wifi being out or slow..

[@DavidBott]

Yes, you are correct and I 100% agree with you that a park would get complaints for sure! This is because most RV'ers are not aware what it takes for an RV park to supply such a service in the first place. What you may expect to be able to do and what you can do are sadly at odds with each other based on the issues at hand. Most of the time it is location and not being able to actually get bandwidth from a supplier needed to even be able to start to do it right. Also, I surely never said I was speaking for all for the RV'ers. Would never do that, nor could I. I was however providing factual knowledge of the issues at hand as to why most RV parks are like they are in regards to Wi-Fi. Simple as that. If you want to be sure to have Internet access, carry a JetPack. Oh wait! You can't even rely on that in a lot of areas based on location. BTW...Thanks for being a work camper as it is always better to have someone that actually understands the RV's and being able to help out. A lot of times it is hired help that do not know the actual needs of an RV'er. So it is great when there are actual work campers around. So hopefully this knowledge may help you explain the issue when you receive complaints. Especially if in an area that really can't get the bandwidth it needs.

[@SoleMad684]

I think they should just let internet company hookup everyone own internet by the plugin and let them pay for there own however long they stay for. Problem solved

[@R3kluse]

Oof you go ahead and stop people from streaming movies to their kids that camp will go out of business real quick

[@loda9510]

slow down when presenting