A. CLAIRE...A CLONE? Joey...the Heir of Life!?

[@anapia5051]

Being a prince of space is like swinging a wii remote without the wrist strap.

[@canine8284]

mind clarifying that a little? I'm afraid i don't understand

[@Olivehater]

I’m afraid of you now

[@reverseteebz1139]

That’s a great analogy

[@a-bird-lover]

The scariest classpect yet

[@canine8284]

i mean i'd be down for that if i were a prince of space buuuut i would happen to be a knight of time so :P

[@dr.castor1392]

Hi. Here’s a fun linguistics fact about A.Claire In french, the word “Claire” means bright or pale or clear, all depending on context. But also! Éclaire (witch is pronounced A clair) is the the word for lightning and also the verb for bringing light in a place/room!

[@jaemora7898]

claire = light confirmed

[@kpickett9128]

Also a pastry... If it's Jane it would tie in nicely with her life-themed penchant for baking! :)

[@bstuu2138]

One more note about the Anna thing - it's a letter away from Nanna why is the rabbithole so deep

[@charevandenheever4460]

Bart Stuczynski Because it was dug by Hussie?

[@Partyboxd]

@@charevandenheever4460 makes sense

[@AlphaPizzadog]

Nanna = Not Anna

[@fm9473]

It's also really Ironic that Joey could potentially stop the condescension's endless tyranny since it would sort of carry the will of her father, Jake/grandpop since his goal was take down the empress and LE

[@celestialjunipers6829]

The relation between Jane and Jake in all instances (Beta timeline, Alpha timeline, Hiveswap timeline) is super tragic tbh

[@literallyn01imp0rtant]

Coffee Jaytee The Hiveswap timeline *IS* the Beta timeline.

[@celestialjunipers6829]

Unoriginal Channel Name Years before the beta session, but not many.

[@literallyn01imp0rtant]

Yeah but still the same universe.

[@codenamejinza]

This actually makes total sense. I'm more than willing to accept this as legit canon.

[@Partyboxd]

Same here

[@willb1200]

Heir of life is such a appealing classpect for her

[@masonmorrow8090]

Like someone else pointed out, “Anna” sounds like a good name for Jane because it’s a letter away from “Nanna”, her nickname in the Beta Timeline.

[@kpickett9128]

I think dirk says that "Anna" is a good name for Jane because it sounds like the "nanna" in nannasprite... But I LOVE the idea that it is also the name of A Claire and hints at her being a Jane clone. This vid is awesome, thanks for sharing!

[@JD-hm3nw]

This feels pretty plausible to me, but that's probably because you're just incredible when it comes to discussions. I have a hard time delving past the surface level of things because a lot of details tend to go over my head, but with you explaining this sort of stuff in such a thorough way... it's just fucking great!

[@jimmywu5954]

Personally, I prefer the version where Joey is an Heir of Life for the same reason, the two main leads of Homestuck have ties to it and the fact that I do feel that she is sort of a “good leader”. With the A. Claire part, I’m kind of trying to tie up some ends with the Jake Harley video. Jake, as shown, has many ties to his alpha part in terms of memories and crud like that. If that we’re the case, would A. Claire, as a somewhat clone of Jane, have ties as well? Idk

[@optimisticDuelist]

I'm starting to suspect that may be the case. If true then Pa and A. Claire certainly share a connection, and I've long been wondering how much Dirk knew as a Heart player. Considering how much Dirk depends on his friends, I kind of suspect he might've tried to initiate the scratch just to bring about the universe where they're friends, if he remembers much. If A. Claire remembers stuff too and/or if she's directly in the Batterwitch's inner circle, she might know as much as Pa or even more. It's interesting!

[@wolfiplier6153]

It's just a theory,a Hiveswap theory!

[@celestialVocalist]

Very interesting take on this! I never would've thought that A. Claire would've been a clone. All of this might be just us grabbing at straws, but who knows? Act 2 is still on its way and we'll see in due time.

[@nerdorama009]

I'm watching the entire thing before drafting out a comment this time, since there's a fair bit you're going to have to sell me on this time. Okay, I do have to say in the middle: "Those of you who have only played Hiveswap." I think we lost most of that part of the audience some time during or before "Rose is roleplaying a Witch of Void because [8 different examples from throughout Homestuck]" or, failing that, when we started getting into ectocloning. Anyway... Joey as Heir of Life: you know, I can absolutely see it even without this complicated explanation for who A. Claire is. It fits as a John/Jane combo, it ties her into the family history, and she's an easy 50/50 on doing "Lighty things" as a performer and "Lifey things" as a healer (by the way you went the entire video without mentioning her twin ambitions to be a dancer and a *veterinarian*). I'm biased in favor of Light, but I'm not passing judgement until Act 2 at least. And I'm also fortunate enough to think of Maid and Heir as paired classes myself so the fact that Joey is on the borderline between the two is expected, to me. A. Claire as a (mutant) Jane Clone: You know, I can see it? And I agree that Condy's clown squad is probably involved here somewhere, to the point of being likely antagonists in Hauntswitch. But all the evidence is hyper-circumstantial to an even greater extent than we normally go for this Class/Aspect theorizing. We know next to nothing about where A. comes from or who she is outside of "Joey and Jude's mom" and "epic dancer". Also pretty sure that the Detective Pony gag comes from Anna rhyming with Nanna. But...I can't *disprove* any of this either, so I guess we'll see. The Spiral symbol: yeah, I see where you're coming from, but I'm not convinced it's a Life symbol. The whole symbological ancestry there is specifically Calliope and Caliborn, from the shape, the colors, and how we've seen it used before. Even the symbol of AURYN is specific to Cherubs in Homestuck's context, representing their good/evil and active/passive duality, while the red-green spirals represent the duality of Space and Time (or, to put it another way, space-time: the entire scope of the physical universe, which is ultimately a game between Calliope and Caliborn themselves). tl;dr I don't disagree with your thesis but I think you may be stretching a little further than you have to to justify it.

[@optimisticDuelist]

Good point! You're especially right that this one isn't the most newbie friendly, I got a bit carried away this time x3 I pretty much entirely agree with all your doubts. The reason I mixed these two videos together and made it so dense was that all its disparate parts feel a biiit more speculatory than my usual points, so I wanted to just put them out there as a big ? mark for everyone else to talk about. I'm hoping it'll spur discussion rather than just try to fill up a hole in the fandom consciousness, if that makes sense. My only point to make in defense of any of these ideas is that I feel the Cherubs are heavily influenced by The Neverending Story in the first place; Caliborn's arc is beat for beat kind of a retelling of Bastian's. I wrote about that here: medium.com/@RoseOfNobility/part-2-the-neverending-story-e57a82bc3c6b Maybe I should put this link in the description, because I feel it puts this AURYN beat into better context. In any case, I agree with everything about Caliborn/Caliborn, but I'm arguing that Cherubs are defined by being the ultimate Life forms with absolute power and control of the active/passive nature of reality. Hence the connection between their mating and AURYN, imo. Hence, they're inherently tied to Life.

[@nerdorama009]

Yeah. Really the only reason I disagree on the Cherubs' connection to Life is because the comic is so very thorough about beating us over the head with the fact that Caliborn is the epitome of Time and Calliope is the epitome of Space, down to the very colors in the spiral symbol. AURYN in the Neverending Story gets connected to Life precisely once, at the end of the book, and it's not necessarily Life as in the Homestuck Aspect. Before that it has much more to do with the Plot - the bearer is either serving the story (Atreyu, Calliope) or *writing* the story (Bastian, Caliborn)...with the usual Ouroboros meaning that says those two things are, ultimately, two parts of the same process. I associate Time and Space with the Plot and Setting, in meta terms (not sure if I'm copying Tex there, I still haven't gotten to his take on Aspects as story components), so that's where my mind goes when I see the Cherub spiral, rather than Life. Now, if you're associating Trickster Mode with Life specifically, I can see where you might disagree within a Homestuck context, since that's where we've seen a double-spiral Juju before, but I'd say even that's a very Caliborn-Time thing - giving material power to its user to rush through the plot and get to the "good parts", makin' it hapen instead of sitting around developing character in a more Spacey fashion. It manifests in a lot of Lifey Shit for Jane because Jane's the first one to get power from it. It also hypes up Roxy's Voidiness, Jake's Hope dumbassery, etc, because it's pushing all of them *forward* in Time. But Trickster Mode is really hard to analyze for a lot of reasons and I could be the one who's off-base here.

[@missmisstery7337]

I love this fandom's discussions so much... Thanks guys, you made my day

[@edg4237]

It may not be noobie friendly but me being a homestuck and hiveswap fan I really enjoy the explanation you give.

[@ELee-ts4ld]

hey i know im really late but i feel that hiveswap might be Nana's story from homestuck but an alternate version where the two do get married and have jude and joey who will eventualy save the world

[@gabdraws7003]

You KNOW it's such an outrageous theory on the face of it and you make a couple strong points, but in the end I think this reality would do more harm than good to the characters and the plot at large. There are a couple pretty big obvious hurdles to start with. For a clone, A. Claire doesn't really physically resemble Jane, even by Homestuck standards. And her life's passion, from what we're told of her, is dance and performance, something I don't think we ever see Jane show even a slight interest in. Then there's the Condesce's motives. In the very text you cite, it's stated plainly that the Condesce specifically wanted to PREVENT the prophecy, so going out of her way to ensure it seems terribly sloppy of her. And considering she was packing up most likely to move to Universe B2, I doubt she had any lingering interest in raising an heiress in this universe, hence dumping her stuff with Jake. I'll admit, that prophecy is pretty alluring, but I think that could be chalked up as something of a fairy tale, a simplification of the more complex truth, distorted in its telling either by Nanna to fedorafreak (to whom she is telling the story), or by the Condesce to young Nanna, or both. Perhaps not unlike the way Jake came to misunderstand Lord English as an "evil husband" to the Condesce. And that aside, I think the clone revelation somewhat delegitimizes her as a character. Such a convoluted origin mostly serves to undermine her ability to stand as her own person and, somewhat symbolically, for Hiveswap to stand apart from Homestuck's lore. Thus it effects Joey as well, and to a lesser extent, Jude. It MIGHT be cool that a sort of heiress spawned from the Condesce's own (future) machinations would go on to rebel against her own empire but, and especially because we know it can't bear much fruit if Hivebent comes to pass, it feels to me like too little earned in the name of sabotoging some of this storyline's independence. Bottom line is, it feels to me like something too unnecessary and too unlikely to be the case. A. Claire is probably just someone who happens to be alike with Jane in various regards. Maybe her aspect really is Life, even. This could be why Jake was drawn to her in the first place. But she doesn't need to be a literal clone of another established character who may yet show up in this story (or a parallel, closely related one) to serve her purpose as an inspiration to those around her. Actually, as I think it over, maybe Joey is neither of the Class/Aspect pairs you suggest. Maybe she's not an Heir of Life or a Maid of Light, but an Heir of Light. It's hard for me to be certain because the symbols and themes for Life aren't as clear to me, but I think Light runs strongly through everything about her, everything around her, and everything she does, far too much I think to be roleplaying even if it her mom's aspect. And as for her class, there's evidence enough to go either way, but consider this: Like you say, she's not driven to accomplish her own ambitions. At least, not in a way that results in taking action. And when she does take action, she's generally doing so on the instruction of others, or to aid someone. And she does this, all throughout the first Act, with and through enlightenment, both literal and metaphorical. I don't know if you've said this before and it's where I got the idea, but I have this whole arc in my head about the Heir and the journey they must take to realize themselves. At the start of their arc, they are naive and perhaps somewhat brash. When they try to do something of their own volition or for self-interest, it tends to be against their own benefit, ironically. Their aspect may sort of shephard them along on its own will, or subconsciously through them. Yet is essential they eventually mature enough to be able to take command of their aspect. You mention that the path of the Maid involves learning to overcome ones own aspect before it threatens to consume or destroy them. For the Heir I believe it is similar. Eventually, whether they are ready or not, the "inheritance" will bestow itself upon them, and if they are not ready the consequences can be disastrous, for themselves or others. In the first half of Act 1, I notice Joey is constantly deprived of Light. The sun is setting. Her flashlight has no batteries. The power to the house goes out. Also, she's not even able to access the hint function. When she gets to Alternia, the tables are turned. Now, exposing herself to the symbol of Light is dangerous, as Alternia's sun will most likely roast her, so she's forced to keep away from it. But she is drawn to Dammek's lusus, a type of creature which, as the Friendsims reveal, are one of the few on the planet which can withstand it, and she quickly finds a book, arming herself with knowledge of these creatures. And then, as mentioned before, there's the hint function. Despite what I said earlier about ties to Homestuck, to me it makes more sense if Joey is a Light player, because it gives her common footing with two other major targets of Doc Scratch's manipulation. While his is no short list of unwitting accomplices, those with a predilection for Light, for knowledge, seem to be the ones most drawn to his dubious assistance. Thus he also represents Light's potential to overwhelm her, as in her pursuit of answers through him, she will be decieved, her understanding and her relevance sabotaged. And considering Scratch has a heretofore flawless record of achieving his own goals, I think that may spell unfortunate things for Joey's confidence in herself when she is inevitably misled into doing something terrible while trying to do good. Anyway, I've gone on long enough and stayed up way later than I should have typing this up, but I don't get the chance to dive into it that much these days so there you go.

[@optimisticDuelist]

Interesting idea re: Joey being an Heir of Light! The possibilities get that bit more complex. I'm not really arguing this PARTICULAR view over the Joey Claire, Maid of Light one. Like I said, I can't really tell WHAT'S going on. I went with Maid of Light because it seemed the easiest one to write an emotionally compelling wrap-up of her character. That makes it the most compelling to me, but I figured I'd address/provide the compelling points of the other narrative I agreed with. I don't want to give off the impression that I'm providing THE NARRATIVE TRUTH of Homestuck/Hiveswap with any one video, and I can't really predict what WP will do with much certainty; their ability to surprise me is why I come to Homestuck. I'd rather just put out ideas I think are interesting and give people something to talk about/look into!

[@AramauMeows]

@Gab Draws Ok boomer Keep going Lil further You have no life

[@friedchickenUSA]

when "HEIR-loom" popped up i had to pause to give myself a chuckle break you make it make so much sense you always show us how well every element fits together

[@saccharinesilk]

anna claire would be a good name because it doesnt break the eclair pun presented by a. claire

[@Leonidas557]

He should have gone the PBS route with the intro, "to viewers like you, thank you!"

[@jinxtheunluckypony]

It’d be really cool to see a video on the kids guardians, how they reflect their Classpects and what they say about their player counterparts.

[@Type3Diabeto]

I was very happy to see the beginning portion on classpect, role-play, and manifestation forms given our last conversation. This is also a cool speculation, hopefully we'll see more as the other acts come out.

[@optimisticDuelist]

I remembered it, yeah. A couple of people have been asking me about Grimdark/Trickster mode so I thought i'd at least touch on it a little!

[@Antibailiffbacchus]

The more I watch your videos, the more I realize how insanely good and consistent homestuck is.

[@optimisticDuelist]

I'm glad. That's the goal :3

[@blackcat2333]

why does it make me mad that homestuck is so good? it's because i can never hope to make anything with a fraction of it's quality

[@guygeva7375]

"Man, I wish homestuck would have more foreshadowing and secrets, I just can't find any interesting secrets there!" - me, 10 minutes ago. touche, Hussie, touche.

[@catgirltreats]

I gotta say the prophecy from Condy is a really strong case, this theory certainly holds water and I'm open to the possibility seeing as we just do not know enough yet

[@DragonbornCanid]

At first i was like: "nope, can't be right." But then when you went to Detective Pony, and with Dirk saying 'Anna was almost a good name for Jane' , i flipped the switch. Great theory as always!! can't wait to see what will happen next!

[@lazyperfectionist3978]

If you think about it, the magician part might actually come from Roxy, considering Roxy's obsession with wizards and probably having a much better relationship with Joey than her own daughter, not seen as some unknown individual to Joey or Jude.

[@GameTornado01]

Super interesting! You're legit the best Homestuck KZbinr!

[@imlovedavepetab3374]

While I'd be sad to lose a canonical polar opposite, an Heir of Life is very fitting and aesthetically pleasing for a lot of reasons!

[@lee_pancakecase5708]

Funny thing actually. Anna could be seen as an anagram? You take Nana and rearrange them to Anna. I think it's funny because an anagram uses the same base words but in a different pattern...A different result. And the best part is that most if not all would not be able to see it..unless there is something that links the two words or in these case people together. Being in the same story is not enough for all we know Anna could just as well be another completely unrelated character to homestuck, but I don't think that is the case. Homestuck has more than once shown that everything it presents to us had purpose and above all connection, every character, every important event, everything is connected to make or show a greater hole.

[@danteXcrossing]

I think you are hitting the right vein here. My own theory on this (which I am waiting for the friend sim to finish and get the first part thought through. But if I am right that would mean that joey, Jude, the Hiveswap trolls all are the original Genetic template for the A2 trolls and B1 kids. Leading to the creation of them paradoxically speaking. Because I am sure when haunt switch comes out we will have 2 other kids introduced and likely one of them being Joey's crush. (But that chance is low) ideally they would have classes corresponding to heir seer maid prince rouge knight page and witch. With life light space breath time heart void and hope for aspects. Because if A.Claire is a clone either made by the empress or sent back in time. Both thoughts are possible and just as likely.

[@anyanP]

What makes me doubt this theory the most is how homestuck-verse is consistent with visual representation of a character. So seeing A. Claire lacking both Jane's teeth and Jane's glasses, makes me think that they shouldn't be the same person. Like, everything else matches up, but the looks. The looks makes it feel wrong.

[@crypticcorvid]

Maybe she got braces and contact lenses? Buy hey, it's just a theory, *a HIVESWAP THEORY.*

[@0whatman]

joey being a heir of life as a combo of the titles of both leaders of the human sessions makes it very fitting for dammek to be a thief of blood as the combination of the titles of both leaders of the troll sessions

[@lilacia7278]

I do find that theory intresting, I'd like to point out in the second part of Joey's room on the roof their actually is a light symbol maybe hinting at that fact she maybe the light aspect or maybe just a decoration choice , maybe you could shed some light (pun not intended) on it.

[@enderking6904]

Anna and nana are anagrams

[@orangejuice782]

this was a really interesting video to listen to while drawing! your analyses and theories are really cool!

[@miamiswacket803]

Thank you for making the wait for this hecking game a little more bearable

[@taddad2641]

Generally when it comes to all the cherub symbolism that goes on in the harley manor, i have suspcioins that in fact, it is not lord english in direct involvement here. Basically lord english despises the duality of his lineage. Nothing he uses has any semblance to cherubs at all let alone the duality of their nature. He focuses on himself and his separation from others, short of those he enslaves for his purposes. Throughout Harley manner are representations of cherub duality. Even the deer and lion head puzzle is a symbol of that duality. The wisdom fo the deer and the blind fury of the lion. But more so, you give the lion sight in order to progress in the story. Also there is an absence of direct Green sun symbols in their manor too. The symbol of joey's shirt and on her cieling are the closest we have to a green sun, but whenver it has ever been styled in homestuck it has always been a green circle. not a stylized star of this nature. Oddly enough the weirdest and most particular forshadowing i have seen in the manor was that skull castle sitting in the hallway near jude's room. while it had one of its 'teeth' painted gold, the castle is winking with effeminate eyelash marks on it. much like when callipe ended her conversations with a 'smooch'. Here are a few things i noticed about joey. She is pacifistic to a fault. Whole house swarming with monsters, she rarely tries to attack or harm any. In several rooms of her house she has legitimate means of fighting off enemies, but does not claim them. She refuses to touch anyhting with lethal potential especially not guns. But more so she had a very gollum like obsession with the Key she got from her mom. its beyond jsut an heirloom and more it almsot compels her. More than likely it is a juju. Jujus can have a strange effect of influencing the behavior of people who acquire them. Lili cal is a juju that brought ruin whever he went, probably in part because of caliborn and gamzee's presence in it. But one thing that is known about jujus is that all cherub covet them. I think someone once explained it as almost an instinctual obsession over them.... much like how Joey covets the key despite how weird looking it is. it is never "I keep it because of my mom but it sure is weird." its "This is such a beautiful heirloom." You might be getting what i am going at here. I have suspcions that Joey is part cherub herself. Probably has her cherub nature repressed somehow.... Its a bit of a crackpot theory Xd. There is no way that they could biologically produce joey if jake harley ended up dating a cherub.... But it may be possible with paradox cloning. Someone could theoretically take the paradox goop of a cherub and a human and mix it together, create a hybrid that otherwise would be biologically impossible. An aberrations indeed. Honestly part of it is because i am wondering what the hell can a fourteen year old non sburb player can do to help the trolls in a reasonable fashion without totally relying on jack chan esque environmenta hijinks. It worked on the dumb monsters but that would not mean it would work on barbaric trolls that are as brutal but smarter. No one is jackie channing Chahut into submission.

[@lesslyperez1243]

I genuinely hope this is cannon, it makes so much sense! Thank you for your hard work, amazing as always!

[@thebiolibrary5572]

I wonder why classes are so unimportant? They allow the aspects to be channeled. And the classes change up the powers a ton. Like the princes, who destroy their aspects. If Eridan was just the person of hope, then he wouldn’t set up the issue of the Matriorb being hopesploded. Or Jake, he wouldn’t be so super godly powerful if he weren’t a page of hope. The only real power Jade would have would be generic space powers and Bec’s powers, so I can presume she wouldn’t be able to shrink the asteroid, grow the Yellow Yard and the Fenestrated Wall, etc.

[@benzur3503]

Jumping from the life aspect into hypothesis’s on ethics felt like grasping for a needle in a straw-stack. Especially with Hussie’s genuine Nuance in depictions of ethical conundrums throughout the comic

[@Charoy612]

For me, the most valuable part of this video was the examination of the Maid class (And by extension it's comparison to the Heir class), because it got me to reconsider and re-examine the Maid characters in my current roleplay groups.

[@SeahorseTrash]

Okay but I think the real question is WHERE THE FUCK IS DIRK

[@flightybroad7374]

These videos are always really cool, i get so hype when i see theres a new one

[@CAMCATTO]

man, ur videos make me want to make videos! im so in love with hiveswap, and my favorite part abt homestuck in general is the classpects!! its so fun to analyze :o so keep doin this cool stuff cuz its satisfying my curiosity and imagination

[@reverseteebz1139]

Thanks, I’ve been craving homestuck content

[@danteXcrossing]

But as to nail joeys aspect. I think she is stuck between light and life honestly. She has both traits naturally likely to try throwing us off. I do believe she is more a Heir of Light. But life is just as likely as her interest in dancing while being a veterinarian are halved equally at her age. So they are wanting to have us lean one way or another. But with her flashlight it gives it a tick one further to light. As she is inheriting her mother's gift, and Joey sees her as a star a body of Light.

[@thornangel16]

I agree with Joey being the Heir of Life. All of the reasons ring true for me. I think A. Claire is the true Maid of Light and that after her death Joey’s powerful desire to *inherit* her legacy and emulate her incorporated her mother’s class and aspect into part of her identity. Hence why it’s so hard to separate Joey’s Life imagery and her Light imagery. It may also allow her access to Heir of Light stuff too. As for A. Claire being an imperfect clone of Jane... it’s plausible. Despite the Condence’s history with genetic manipulation, that same history has a lot of failures too in that she didn’t often get what she wanted. To the empress, Jane was pretty much born with the wrong class. If A. Claire was a clone of Jane, then she would later be deemed a failure once it became apparent that she got both the wrong class AND the wrong aspect. Plus her conquest of Beta Earth wasn’t meant to be so she pretty much went “screw it” and left her pre-scratch baking empire to A. Claire due to not caring about it anymore.

[@Iurymasterful]

Notification gang where are you?!

[@kairoro4533]

Iurymasterful fuck off

[@literallyn01imp0rtant]

3:35 Was Jane really the leader of the Alpha session though? It seems like it would be a Strilonde (preferably Roxy).

[@butterflytaster5553]

Unoriginal Channel Name Wasn't that one of the points the Alphas learned during the session? My memory's a bit shoddy, but I think it was something about Dirk realizing that despite his claims to be pulling the strings behind Jane's leadership, he was never the true leader. Instead, it was someone hidden in the shadows: Roxy, their Void player, who basically did her best to keep them all from falling out.

[@TastySalamanders]

I think there is one tiny detail that I think you might have to readily assumed but yet opens another can of worms if true: You assume that if A. Claire is a clone of Jane that she also shares Jane's title; Maid of Life. However if A. Claire is a clone, it would appear she is a mutated / non-exact clone, which could mean that A. Claire could potentially have a different title. Of course it could be possible the mutation/change would actually lie in the lunar sway; i.e. Jane as a Prospit dreamer Maid of Life and her mutated clone (A. Claire) as Derse dreamer Maid of Life.

[@jenny_azoth]

A. Claire *made* that mural on Joey's ceiling, was famous in a way that inspires most if not all of her aspirations for the spotlight, and created a fortunate situation for Joey by leaving the Heirloom in her jewelry box. What's more, it seems she was essentially uninterested in the key itself, and it would be more appropriate if both A. Claire and Jane Crocker were Maids of Light and Life, respectively, as their Classes would be the same while their Aspects would be adjacent (just 1 step from each other on the wheel). That would align well with the Janus symbolism that seems to tie them together, as they would represent two faces of the same part of the Aspect wheel; one facing counterclockwise and the other clockwise Also I think what you mention here about Joey being the Heir of Life is much more important to her arc and symbolism, and all her Light imagery seems to be associated with a form of role play specifically involving her mom

[@crimson_6763]

Well looks like nobody has a Claire picture on all of this

[@jacknoirevegames1699]

Also a wise man once told me , go with your guts.

[@LetheSoda]

We know that trolls are capable of convincingly disguising as humans and I’ve been holding onto a theory about A Claire being a troll that came through the portal.

[@mibukdesjarlais534]

Do you think the scary empress that rules Alternia in Hiveswap could actually be Joey and Jude's mother? Because of what you said that trolls can disguise as humans, so what if the empress was disguised as Joey and Jude's mother which is A.Claire and the reason why she's completely gone from her kids lives was because she's currently ruling Alternia and doesn't have time for raising children. Also why would Joey's mom have a key that unlocks a portal in their house like that? Why would a normal human being such as A.Claire have a key for a portal that can take you all the way to Aternia? What use would a portal and a key be of use for a human? Simple, because she's not a human at all and like you said she was disguised as a human to manipulate her earth family that she made on earth with Jake Harley and when Joey becomes of age the empress passed down the key to her daughter and completely disappeared from her kids lives and went back to Alternia with the portal being her only source of transport to keep on ruling. Another thing what if the empress knew that her daughter would one day stumble upon the portal? So she gave Joey her key that will one day take her to Alternia and by the time Joey is 14 which is what her current age is right now, that makes Joey the perfect age to become the next heir of Alternia. Joey will definitely run into the empress one way or another in Hiveswap and what if the condences plan was to make her daughter be the next ruler of Alternia and she'll corrupt Joey's mind with nothing but evilness and manipulation and have Joey be the next condence to rule Alternia and continue the messed up and digusting society that Alternia's inhabitants have to live through. Also another thing if a Queen/Empress has leave her place from the kingdom an heir of the throne has to be the one capable of taking her place to rule the kingdom and the perfect person that's able to fit in that category is Joey. Her daughter, the next heir to the throne, the next condence, the next ruler of Alternia. Also noticed at the very end of Hiveswap Act 1 as Joey and Xefros ride on that goatcat luses thing to wherever and away from the city of flames the empress was looking from up above on her ship like the evil lady she is. What if the empress knew that her daughter was in Alternia at the time and she's observing her and how she adjusts on this strange planet and every good or bad action she does results in the empress deciding if her daughter is ready to rule or not. But that's just a THEORY a GAME THEORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈 Also sorry if there was way too many errors in this and if my grammer was shit and there was too much to read I was just so excited to come up with this theory. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@nicolassagrillo1442]

You mentioned in an earlier video how love can be closely associated with light, and the creator classes(maid/sylph) often heal with/through their aspects, one of the readings of Maid of Light could be "one who heals that which she loves", explaining her ambition for being both a veterinarian(she loves animals and wants to heal them) and a dancer(she loved her mother and wants to heal/be healed of her emotional wounds due to her absence by impersonating her(her mother a famous dancer iirc))

[@celiphone]

I always enjoy watching your theories about the Homestuck, and Hiveswap classpects, I always learn something new about every class, and aspect while watching your videos. I take this knowledge from your videos, and other articles I've read online, and I try to use them to help me find what my classpect is. Right now I'm debating between if I'm a Witch of Doom or a Witch of Light. I've also been questioning if I was apart of the Life class. Anyway what I really wanted to say is Thank you for making videos like these, and keep up the wonderful work

[@Talia_Foxx]

5:55 Okay I never noticed that 'we're' was spelled 'where' in this panel. It's been so long since I read HomeStuck in it's entirety that I can't even remember if this was pointed out/intentional or not.

[@geogeo3644]

Thanks for the video

[@poky4669]

I think this whole video really supports my interpretation that Maid is the active counterpart to Heir, as both revolve around earning or inheriting their aspect.

[@Silly_Sulky_Seli]

I hear "A. Claire" always as "éclair", yum

[@FanOfMostEverything]

Sliiight issue. While this is some fascinating speculation, the empress we see at the end of Hiveswap Act 1 isn't Meenah. Her caste symbol is that of a fuschia-blooded, Derse-dreaming Bloodbound. Much as Earth is several years away from the SBURB Beta, it seems Alternia is a different part of its history as well.

[@radwolf76]

We don't see the Empress at the end of Hiveswap. We see a juvenile fuschia-blooded heiress to the throne, possibly one who directly preceded Feferi in that same role.

[@FanOfMostEverything]

Ah, excellent point. My bad.

[@shyscorpio2003]

As a Mage of Light I live for your videos good sir

[@radwolf76]

One question: You mention the lollipop juju as Jane's inheritance from The Condesce, but weren't the alpha kids given the codes for it's halves directly from the cherubs?

[@MrMortull]

I don't remember that object itself being called a direct inheritance, rather just being used as an image of what her 'role' was DOING to Jane? Certainly the juju and being Condesce' literal adoptive heiress are related and it's a very close parallel (if not a direct analogue).

[@optimisticDuelist]

Jane specifically was given the codes. Calliope gave hers directly to her, and Caliborn gave his to Jake, who then gave it to Jane as a way to apologize for ignoring her feelings. Caliborn, and by implication LE and eventually the Condesce, were both aware this would happen and conspired to cause it. So Jane doesn't get the lollipop from the Condesce, but the Condesce does describe Jane receiving the lollipop as her "royal heiress business". And I'm suggesting in this video that Cherubs in and of themselves are strong symbols of Life, because they're identified with the AURYN symbol. That make sense?

[@Brightfur10]

Hold on, I love these videos and I especially love how well researched you are on them, but as I always understood it, Roxy was the leader of the Alpha kids' session. She kind of always was as apposed to Jane. I mean, she kind of took to that role slowly throughout the comic (something that makes sense for a Void player, like she's the session's "hidden leader") but it ended up sticking with her as the story went on.

[@Brightfur10]

(spoilers) I'm going to add that it's been a hot minute since I've read the comic so I don't have any evidence to back up this claim right off hand but that was just my interpretation of the story, from her mannerisms in how she acts to bad situations to how she's done the most out of the kids for the sake of others, like making the Matriorb, slaying the Condesce and bringing Calliope back from the dead.

[@celestialjunipers6829]

I wonder what will happen in Hauntswitch XD But that being said, Joey... overshadows Jude... in so many levels.

[@ashiekermit7425]

always love your content!!!

[@KaitheKnightly]

This theory has me very curious about the truth. Good job!

[@youmebothorneither]

I don’t think anyone will argue with you because it’s homestuck. Timespace shenanigans.

[@deadlock7946]

yes

[@timestopMachinist]

those tactical omissions miss when jane slams the keyboard lol

[@ProtoAno]

Since John and them are related to )(IC through the Crockers, I would LOVE to see Joey strife with Trizza later on. Heiress who hails from Earth versus the heiress of Alternia. Hell yes.

[@2XocraM]

I originally rejected the idea of Joey not being a light player because of her "weapons" since they are all clearly light related, but thinking about it weapon choice doesn't seem to have anything with player aspects. Other than some trolls and some of them were technically imitating their ancestors.

[@kyreden]

A. Claire. Eclair. Food sounding name, dessert at that. Hmm, ok.. Nana. Anna. Hmm.. ok, ok... Yeah ok I can see the whole clone theory being plausible if not true. Like knowing homestuck, like how they did beforus and alternia, I wouldn't be shocked.

[@zacharyscovel1017]

How fortuitous that this video is uploaded today. My father could use the aid of someone with life powers.

[@canine8284]

completely crazy and i LOVE IT

[@Antibailiffbacchus]

Do you think that the way life and doom are partially about how we mold the world, and how it molds us can be similar to other dual aspects, such as how rage and hope could possibly be about how the story molds the characters, and how the characters mold the story?

[@DillonMaynard]

Anna is an anagram of Nana

[@mist1675]

good job, i'd be stymied if this were true but i don't apply very much energy to analysis anyways - which is why i find this kind of thing very interesting

[@jogadoru4]

A.claire being a clone of jane would make a funny koke/reference A. claire is phonetically similar to Eclair, a type of baked candy

[@nikosstories8524]

ooohhh excited!

[@giohuertaReyes3328]

Good work

[@sirbobthemarvelous]

holy heck i really liked this theory

[@squidsoverheaven7560]

I took the EZ quiz and I'm a Prospitan player. I did a bit more research and I've come to the conclusion that I'm a Mage of Mind. Yay :]

[@nodoby6943]

I don’t know why but the way optimistic duelist pronounces the ch sound is so pleasant to me Oh heck I just realized he pronounces the sh sounds as ch a little I this my imagination or something that is actually happening....

[@GuiltyGal]

Claire could be the Clone of Jane who chose to run away with Jake possibly changing her name to hide her identity from the Batterwitch

[@Atticusflinching]

I think the original intent behind Dirk calling Anna "almost" a good name for Jane is because it's one letter off from Nanna. That doesn't mean it's not still good evidence, but if it is true, using Anna was probably a retroactive decision by the hiveswap team.

[@xXFeralPyr0pteraXx]

I KNEW IT

[@jamescameron5090]

At 11:23, you forgot to censor "Jane's WHAT THE F***?"

[@thatguyonyoutube2063]

just a thought I had, could manifest dual 'true' classpects? I mean it's possible that as the homestuck / hiveswap shared universes expand the way classpects could also evolve. Another idea : due to the life influence its possible that joey could break the rules regarding role playing and be able to fully dive into it without understanding herself fully first or manifest 2 aspects at the same time.

[@shakieltaylor9995]

excuse me but I have few questions 1) how useful and dangerous would a knight and seer of doom would be 2)who are your favorite trolls and human, mine are rose,john,karkat,tavrous,terazi and kanaya 3)I jus finished watch season 8 of Voltron and im curious, what would the classes and aspects of the paladins be

[@lazyperfectionist3978]

1) I'm pretty sure he doesn't do those sorts of things on his youtube. Plus, if you want answers you need to do the investigating yourself, using both his Medium posts and youtube posts, as well as doing your own research and observations. He even says that two of the exact same classpects could potentially act differently to even each other in terms of powers. Its entirely up to you and no one else to figure this out. 2) I guess you'll find out IF he responds 3) Again, do your own research and observations of each character. That means watching through EVERY season and figuring this out for yourself instead of making others do the research.

[@letrokid1121]

I just figured out a pastry based pun that would go perfectly with A.Claire. But... I only have the punchline.

[@raf4320]

Im an heir of life lmao

[@wants2die609]

Rafael Koliadis I'm a Thief of Heart.

[@wants2die609]

YuhboiTommy Nice.

[@nightcollapse]

imma maid of rage ;0

[@wants2die609]

Dexter Badger AJ Niceeeeeeee.

[@nightcollapse]

thanks :)

[@butterflytaster5553]

"..may have had a negative effect on her, that may have negatively affected her life. As in, her ability to stay alive." Alright, this was the the joke that had me grinning like an idiot alone in my room.

[@Alexshmalexx]

9:36 it’s a reference to uroboros

[@pickledshoe]

love it!

[@spooky1997]

ya'll im shook

[@technobeagle9598]

The whole "Anna sounds like a good name for you", thing could also reference the visual and auditory similarities between Anna and Nanna, being only one letter apart. Not to say this isn't valid, just implying that the clues seem to point in a couple directions at once.

[@dataexpungedlower1214]

Might i mention that the influence of void in rose is Similar to her extended zodiac sign, Sagipia?

[@additop8118]

Is no one going to mention that in [S] Credits, there is a clone of Jane(I assume) that looks exactly like A.Claire?OK

[@doxxed0367_]

Honestly my first thought what that the name A. Claire was a spin on the pastry, an Eclair