A clash of civilisations played out at SCMP’s annual China Conference: the full debate

[@RyouxAB]

The moment he said, "wants to make China open up, make China more like us" (in his very first chance to talk), this debate is already done. There's nothing to debate with people who think only they themselves (and their way of thinking) are the best and that others are trash.

[@vinnyboy1976]

Pivot to Asia is about helping China. TCP and other programs that excluding China is helping China. China's Bri invite USA to join. Well we have seen enough who is trying to contain who .

[@donaldyu6677]

I agree. His assumptions are incorrect. The USA invited China to WTO because the USA can continue to swollen more cheap goods by the printed US dollars which is not gold based but military power based. That why the US continues to destabilize other countries and ironically itself internally to.

[@ikongchin3088]

WARMONGERS ARE NOT BUILDERS, THEY DESYROY. THIS IS 1 OF THE.MAIN REASON THEY WANT TO DEDTROY CHINA. PLAIN HATERAGE , BAD MIND N CONSCIOUSNESS . TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH N NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH

[@luikaihang1110]

Well said. GOOD.

[@yulfanstill]

Totally agree with you. So condescending

[@mythicalmining7999]

"China is a market economy, and it is a vibrant market economy, but it is not a capitalist country; here is why. There is no way a group of billionaires could control the politburo as billionaires control American policy making. So in China you have a vibrant market economy but capital does not rise above political authority, capital does not have enshrined rights. In America capital, the interest of capital and capital itself, has risen above the American nations. The political authority cannot check the power of capital and that’s why America is a Capitalist country and China is not." Eric Li That blew my mind, we think of Communism as both economic and political but democracy as political and capitalism as economic. Yet look at the US gov't, literally

[@johnm7267]

Well done for highlighting that quote

[@jdemeulenaer123]

Actually, I China is not more communist than Russia today... Éric Li is sharp.

[@johnm7267]

@@jdemeulenaer123 Yes I agree

[@fijianz1]

When capitalism makes slaves of its people then democracy has failed for it is a disguise when in reality it is a dictatorship of the few political and business elite.

[@johnm7267]

@@fijianz1 exactly! What is known as a plutocracy where the rich rule. America is a prime example. People will say but America has a government that rules, but the government rules for the rich. Sometimes they let a few crumbs fall from the table to the poor. Democracy? You can change the government but it makes no difference or only slightly. Most politicians are businessmen or have shares in companies and what is worrying some of those shares are in arms manufacturers

[@skshum]

with this professor at helm of HKU journalism school, no wonder our students are going down the drain

[@Kemet3.0]

What are you talking about? Ha, ha... the profession broke him down. This Li guy is ignorant, I look up everything he was talking about. Over 90% of the info was wrong. Like the Professor stated the country has money.... the people don't. China can't do both! Check out this video... kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4jPaKGggdGLgrc

[@TheAlbert18361]

@@Kemet3.0 pls tell Tim Cook, Elon musk ur theory that Chinese are poor….. Ur stupidity is simply out of normal human imagination…

[@armandovaiandando6472]

@@Kemet3.0 Man, you linked a serpenza video? Well, I hope isn't that deep in your cult.

[@Aramsa-Khan]

@@Kemet3.0 Eric Li talk as a patriot. That professor talk like he is still a slave of the white American. He is a pathetic not knowing the history of his forefather. They only enjoy what and who they are because the white felt that it is wiser to give him a little for his support for the so-called western liberal democracy. In short, his head is a bit stuck-up. Eric admitted something which we do not agree. And that is if the US had not pursue the engagement with China, China would not have today. And the other point raised was the speech of Rossovelt at the turn of last century. Above all, Eric's presentation is more systematic. That professor's presentation was just critical comment to retort Eric's presentation

[@valorzinski7423]

All the foreign professors and judges should be replaced with Communist Party Members

[@patmoh4204]

Professor Keith is not a good example for someone to teach the young at UNIVERSITY OF HK. No wonder there were so much students protests at that time. I hope he is no longer teaches there.

[@and5rs]

Thats exactly why he is there, hk is rotten to the roots

[@phillipyap7697]

He is probably send by the CIA to HK.

[@cosmopessoa1556]

Keith most likely works for the CIA covertly, corrupting young minds to hate themselves and their fellow Chinese. China please get him to hell out of that job. It is a very dangerous place for China in having him so close to your young impressionable minds.

[@jeffrey2326]

That's mean

[@webysoe9652]

@@phillipyap7697 well if Hk fire this guy , for sure he ll be screaming ,something to do with his skin ,and then here they come ,The BLM horde .

[@windsong3wong828]

With biased professors like Keith teaching HK students no wonder the students are confused and anti China. The last 3-5 years shows a clear anti China containment policies. I hope the HK institutions can get better professors to teach its students.

[@plu888]

I could not agree more!

[@lucyng-pellicioli916]

He probably has assistance from the George Soros Foundation.

[@balkanleopard9728]

The "professor" is a bigotted fool. It just goes to show that being a professor is no mark of intelligence. If he's "teaching" the nonsense he's espousing on stage I'd boot him out.

[@a9udn9u]

I wonder how will this gentleman react if someone tells him "we want to guide black people on their development making them be more like us". Chinese don't want to be more like Americans or Westerners in general, does that sound like a sin to Westerners and therefore China's right to develop should be deprived? It's sickening.

[@maxjing61]

touche. this black guy is very confused about his identity. maybe that's why he ran away from Detroit

[@Ming1975]

Yeah, the world wanted to modernize but the west thought they want to westernize. They want to feel superior saying asians are westernizing so they can claim that they are the superior culture, now they realize it was just modernizing that asia wants, now they start acting like the rich man who realize people only want "the money" not the rich man.

[@taijistar9052]

Please be polite in your comments to Keith. In a debate, you have to have both sides. He plays the opposite sides. There are valve in his points. Respect the opposite side and their point of view is something China should learn, IMHO

[@oliveweir8508]

Western values are Un_Christian Wars, Inequality, Racism, Gun Violence and Imperialism - the lie goes on but the rest of the World cannot be fooled

[@artplus3448]

Well said, it's sickening and disgusting how westerners especially America expects China to follow western values and won't allow other countries to have their own system.

[@walterchin8832]

Eric Li's argument is better than Richburg about democracy. For decades democracy has failed third world nations.

[@leungpaul9401]

The success of western power last 2-3 centuries is not built on democracy but war, colonization & slavery.

[@theallseeingeye9388]

Democracy is a thinking society's system of governance as its primary idea is representation. The basic principle bshind democracy is the decentralisation of power. None of the third world countries that got chose democracy as their governing system were equiped to understand how it is suppose to work, let alone make it work. The same can be said about first world democracies like America or UK. Democracy leads to choas and destruction when the political discourse of the nations population is based around tribal sentiments of blue or red and ideologies rather than issues, facts and realities on the ground.

[@quinnishappy5309]

So has dictatorships so what's your point.

[@ctkmobambi]

That's because they can only speak about it,but ***DON'T*** have what it takes to practice it.

[@quinnishappy5309]

Democracy hasnt failed that doesnt make sense. Whats corrupted the facility of democracy is authoratarian greed for power. The purchasing or use of violence for votes. No system is perfect. Democracy doesnt gurantee anything it just means people can hold officials responsible. Its about responsibility. Thats why china doesnt want democracy it isnt mature enough to handle responsibility to its actions. Its still in the baby phase of blaming everything else apart from itself. No matter it will grow amd learn.

[@Ariesmei]

He should go back to the US and see with his own eyes, how many homeless on the street?

[@philwang9878]

U can always go to the usa cities n join the homeless. Let me know in a couple of months s when u are done

[@vincenthiew3048]

Li is more professional with figures, while Richburg just expressing his opinion....1 year now and we can said loudly that , yes, America is trying to contain China.

[@Kemet3.0]

Are you smoking crack? I just Google all his facts and they're wrong. China put out appearances. Facts... He is wrong about South Korea, and Taiwan! Far as lifting 700 million Chinese out the ghetto. The 2nd in command Li Keqiang stated 600 million live on $140 a month! www.cnbctv18.com/economy/china-has-over-600-million-poor-with-140-monthly-income-premier-li-keqiang-6024341.htm

[@hugeassets8678]

@@Kemet3.0 That's a CIA funded news in India, which cannot be held accountable for misinformation by Indian law. If you link a video of where Li KeQiang publically stating what you said or if you can find it on any country's government website, I'd recommend that method.

[@jeffrey2326]

@@Kemet3.0 What are you smoking then? Normal cigarettes, meth?

[@horridohobbies]

Prof. Richburg's claim that China was merely catching up to where it should've been can be contradicted by another example: India. In 1980, both countries were at the same starting line with similar size populations and similar economic conditions (impoverished). However, forty years later, India lags far, far behind China in terms of GDP PPP, in terms of nominal GDP, in terms of per capita GDP, in terms of infrastructure, in terms of poverty alleviation, and so on. The key difference between these two countries is that India is a democracy, and a very dysfunctional one at that.

[@kennybrown3302]

Exactly my thought

[@howard49]

I agree but in fairness to India their approach is more organic. For example through the work of Vandana Shiva and Sandguru? who are working with SOIL and spirituality are educating and slowly changing the culture of food, (how its grown and freeing poor people from the tyranny of companies who control food and its prices). Also improving people happiness and awakening. China does not have this at a grassroors level only centralised through the government. The gains cannot be measured in just GDP etc. Both China and India can learn from each other to help progress their situations.

[@marcionphilologos5367]

@@howard49 THIS COMMENT SHOWS EXACT THE PROBLEM WITH DEMOCRACY; GOOD INTENTIONS HAVE IN GENERAL A CONSERVATIVE AND ANTI-CAPITALIST MEANING, CAUSING STAGNATION AND LACK OF PROGRESS ON A SOCIAL LEVEL..... THE UK AND US WANT TO POSITION INDIA IN THEIR DEMOCRATIC CAMP; A NATION WITH A CLASS SYSTEM AND POLYTHEISTIC FAITH...... WHAT A JOKE.

[@nancytay648]

CHINESE CULTURE IS E 👌 👍 😍 🥰 NO PROVOCATION, NO JEALOUSY NO TENSIONS N NO THREATS TO FIGHT WARS.. SHOULD E 🌎 🗺 🌏 KNOW 👌 👍 😍 WHO KEPT ON PROVOKING TRADE DEALS BANS N SANCTIONS AROUND E 🌎 🗺 🌏 🌐 . CHINA^S I BUSINESSES AROUNS E WORLD ARE ALWAYS SMOOTH ⛵ ⛵ ⛵ ⛵. NEVER HEARD OF ANY TENSIONS 👍 👌 💛 😙 ANY TRADES I ASEAND N 🌏 🌏 🌏 🌏 NO THREATS N SANCTIONS. ASEANS HAVE E. GIVE N TAKE ATITUDES I WINWIN... DECADES OF ✌ ✌ ✌ EXISTENCE N HARMONY.

[@marcionphilologos5367]

@@nancytay648 YES, ALL DISCUSSIONS ARE JUST A VEIL TO HIDE THAT CONFLICT AND WAR ARE IN THE BLOOD OF WHITE PEOPLE.....

[@fredtan1506]

Keith Richburg discreetly tried to outshine young Eric and failed miserably.

[@anwiycti1585]

Bizman in politics? Are we seeing a DJT apprentice here?

[@kitwinn1942]

Keith is arrogant, defensive, condescending. If there are more of Keith in the US, the further behind America will become.

[@Andy-P]

@@kitwinn1942 Keith told the truth as he see's it. What he say's I heear from others in China. How expensive everything is. Eric is wrong about Taiwan

[@calvinbowen3940]

Eric is all mouth. He never served in the PLA.

[@rap3208]

@@Andy-P He is right, Taiwan was an autocracy/dictatorship till the late 90s and it became rich during that period

[@sl531]

Another professor commenting on China without any historical prospective!

[@balkanleopard9728]

I'd put it differently. He's without any feeling or understanding whatsoever of China. He is a first class fool.

[@yellowsheeps]

Lets ALL be thankful the West (Imperialists) have educated and indoctrinated such ignorant and arrogant fools posing as "intellectuals". Repeating propaganda is NOT an intellectual. Today is July 29, 2024 and it's even more clear than ever the collective West is heading towards collapse quicker than imagined in 2018. Has anyone even watched to Paris Olympics opening ceremonies...I rest my case.

[@kerryf9399]

How is it that American speakers are always so entitled and superior, and so condescending to other cultures. Gosh I can hardly listen to this guy. Eric Li is intelligent and open minded.

[@bobbarkeriii2597]

Um, Kenny? There are no American speakers on this panel.

[@esy15288]

Bob BarkerIII isn’t he a native of Detroit?

[@ellenfang8064]

@@bobbarkeriii2597 Black lives matter!

[@ellenfang8064]

But I agree with you!

[@bobbarkeriii2597]

@@ellenfang8064 Thanks Ellen for your notice.

[@PeterSodhi]

This sums up the difference - Eric Lee a superb intellect using real lessons and history. Then the other guy...

[@ZweiZwolf]

He's American, and exactly what you'd expect.

[@brockabaddy985]

The other was on his high horse.

[@allbluedream]

I feel sorry for Eric. You can't debate someone who thinks Brazil is an example of success.

[@level1selamat155]

Brazil... Football obsession is also a tool to silent people. Indigenous people, crime, jail population... They all know Brazil well... Hypocrisy.. Thanks for your thought

[@zealandia5668]

Brazil, India, and Russia all have enormous potential. They should be at China's level. And together with China, they all have the potential to reach the US' level one day. In the end, we would have a five-superpower world (the UK and France probably need to transfer their UN Security Council permanent membership to India and Brazil in the future).

[@zealandia5668]

@Ernest Khalimov The US is very good at making punishments.

[@MACKOBII]

Brazil is a free country and free is the most important thing Keith knows.

[@henryli7484]

How come you can say China is the only successful country? The GPD per capital of Taiwan is much higher than China, and the average income of the majority of Eastern Europe is also much higher than China. The China authority depress individual’s opinions, the people are not allow to publicly express their own idea, how do you know Chinese are much happy than other country? If so, why so many Chinese people immigrates to the other countries?

[@mateussiq1100]

Im brazilian. The chinese is definetely right about everything he said about BRICS. Brazil had growth for around 14 years during workers party regime and then fell off after the coup d'etat of 2016. before that it was so deep into neoliberalism and US backed military dictatorship that we barely had any relevance

[@pahatpahat9566]

Indeed, see how Brazil is competing with US and India to win the pandemic gold medal!

[@mateussiq1100]

@@pahatpahat9566 Bolsonaro is a criminal

[@terry1708]

The only superpower wants to be the king of the world, so he would like all other countries to be democracies, in which at least two parties fight with each other. If your party did something he doesn't like, he will support your enemy in the next election so that they will win the vote. He is the superpower, not only controls the powerful military, but also the economy and media, with money and media, he can change anything in democratic countries. However, China is the only one with one party but developing so fast, that's why human rights, Uighur problem, force labor.... a lot of demonized stories are made up by him, he is trying his best to destroy China, but I know with 1.4 billion people support China, he won't win.

[@moomoomouse7274]

The CIA's have been manipulating elections in South America for decades, a lot of people already know that. they want to keep South America poor so the U.S can easily control Latin America can take advantage. America flooded Mexico with Coca-Cola, McDonald's, and all kinds of junk food, and takes away 60% of Mexico's fresh produce like Avocados, lettuce, and spinach. American Corporations call this free trade, but in fact, they are just looting other countries for their resources. Something happened a hundred years ago when the Brits wanted Silk and tea from China but they didn't have the silver to trade, so they declare a war on the Chinese with some made-up excuses and forced China to accept opium for trade, so the west used slaves to grow opium, dumped drugs to China, in exchange for gold, silver, and other natural resources.

[@andrewlim7751]

It's unfornate for Brazil to fell into the American's trap like other Latin America countries.

[@scottlim9898]

When the professor said Latin American countries are doing well, he lost the debate 😂

[@HyBourn_IwillnotComply]

Exactly... maybe his idea of "doing great" is what Columbia was under Pablo Escobar...

[@leizang5197]

And his arrogance is just disgusting.

[@syarifidayat]

yes he is, but dont forget about how cheap resources person that SCMP, these from feel none

[@danutahanyga4834]

True. According to the West views, any country that relies on "aid" and "support" from the West is doing great. Just don't try to stand on your own feet.

[@Kemet3.0]

Ha, ha... now coming back 2 years later. China's economy of business is in debt of over 55 trillion. And you were saying? Now, we find out China's Economy is Just A Giant Ponzi Scheme! Every last business except for tech was making money. The high-speed train, Skyscraper, Luxury apartments, 18 billion dollar bridge, Hyrodam, and banks are all over leverages. China companies are living on banks loans for years to pay off the other bank loan.

[@BKLau70]

Question isn't about China integrating into the world, but western dissatisfaction of China's rise in becoming an equal, and worst of all bigger than US economy.

[@joecheong1834]

The debate was clearly won by Dr. Eric Li’s strong analytics views back by undeniable facts and figures which are fluently presented with Chinese pride. On the other hand, the Prof. was simply arrogantly expressing his personal views which are highly prejudicial and superficial that could not stand with factual challenges (e.g. so biased to give all the credits to the past great of Deng Xiao Ping instead of to the effort of the Party leaderships and Xie etc.) That’s why he said the Chinese officials did not like him much there (probably rounded up in Hong Kong University now instead). After all, the Americans have no rights to challenge the Chinese political system which belongs to an independent sovereign country. China has all the rights to shape its own political system that best serves its own people. Who gives a damn on what the Americans think. If the Americans are minding their own country without exporting it’s self-claimed universal values and so-called democratic systems either through colour revolutions or by war, the world will be in peace.

[@leesgtk8969]

He doesn't sound like a properly qualified professor. How did he became a professor?

[@globeharmony9652]

Well said

[@JonROlsen]

@@leesgtk8969 Obama called himself a Constitutional Professor who only added to the destruction of democracy.

[@Dionysus784]

but i disagree with his statement about american collectivism

[@gracelim2336]

China is Proving the TRUTH of the Bible.

[@pleung3106]

The professor is mired in his twilight zone. I am severely saddened that HKU wasted good money on inept teacher, but even worse, deluded our younger generation with such lies and fiction, while imbiling with totally false realities.

[@patmoh4204]

Eric Li is a true child of China. His intellect is beyond those who argue with him on any Issues. Its always enriches the mind to listen to him.

[@BorgShen]

Eric Li is mostly quoting propaganda facts than the real facts.

[@wyz9815]

That so called US professor is not on the same level with Mr.Li, he is either totally brainwashed or simply a US propagandist, he doesn't know what FACT means, except ideological bullshit.

[@8unknown_horses46]

@@BorgShen please elaborate

[@kcetebe8012]

Eric does not have to be intellectual - he just uses FACTS and the other buffon are trying to argue against FACT

[@GlobalTrader9]

He isn't all-knowing. Eric Li can also listen and learn.

[@josephsiew8494]

Prof Richard talked about the Mao era. He should be ashamed of the sanctions and trade embargoes imposed by the Americans during that horrible times.

[@armandovaiandando6472]

In fact, one of the biggest contributors to the famine that happened during the great leap forward was the US itself!!! When Mao and the rest of the Politburo realized that the Great Leap Forward was not going on as planned, they tried to import 6,2 million tons of food from Australian and Canadian farmers, which the US blocked. www.quora.com/How-did-Mao-manage-to-kill-78-million-people/answer/Godfree-Roberts

[@Andy-P]

@@armandovaiandando6472 Blame America for self inflicted famines. Still blaming America now. When China rules the world she can take revenge - inflict famine on America & the west?

[@armandovaiandando6472]

@@Andy-P Fuck, how isn't the US responsible for the famine in China, if it was responsible for the sanctions and for blocking Australia and Canada from exporting food?

[@Andy-P]

@@armandovaiandando6472 I'm more inclined to believe this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

[@philwang9878]

Usa wanted the famine to happen so that the people will revolt against ccp. That's what they are doing now to Venezuela n other country. They don't care how many people died. They want a government that is pro usa or they will cause trouble yo your country.

[@ipfreak]

i think this "Keith Richburg" stuck in a belief system instead of facts. he should be a preacher instead of a scholar. from this debate, he offered nothing but arrogant statements. from this debate, you can sense how lousy the quality of this "journalism school" of hong kong university is.

[@wangyingsen458]

you are totally right, Liberalism is just a substitute of Christian in new age. Instead of using it as their own code of conduct, they want their victim to convert to Liberalism than they could rob or genocide third world countries with less defense.

[@user-eo8wj5yd1j]

Well said!

[@samuelememanka8975]

ip desperado, You are right, he is foolishly arrogant and very hateful of Black Africans. Read his book 'Out of America, A Black Man confronts Africa.

[@wyz9815]

@@grasshopper3918 he didn't need to find any facts, because facts are meaningless to people like him, as long as he knows how to lie well, that will be enough for him.

[@shineluvslambiel]

After all it’s a university where the student union published an open statement honoring a murder/terrorist.

[@petercoombes6602]

I'm a westerner... but when I listen to Westerners I can only shake my head listening to the ignorance and arrogance.

[@Kemet3.0]

Are you an idiot? (4:40) I'm sorry, he is right on point here!

[@Kemet3.0]

An this guy is clueless at 6:40... US and West let China in our market. Also, you can buy US companies. Can US buy China countries?

[@akosiwaray1837]

It's totally normal for Westerners to still think and believe we in the East are nothing but less in everything. Data need not explain. I hope the West learn to respect us here on the other side of the hemisphere.

[@randomstuff5869]

@@Kemet3.0 buy countries ????🤔

[@esplace3023]

@@Kemet3.0 that’s your governments fault, not China’s, besides the opening up of China has enriched many Americans, that you seem not to have benefitted is your fault, not China’s. Perhaps electing a wise leader rather than what you’ve elected for decades may point the US in a better direction rather than blaming blaming the rock for hurting your toe

[@elinong1063]

No wonder the Hong Kong youth are so confused with this man in the education system.

[@dejavue3013]

So when did the US ever try to make Saudi Arabia more like us?? Such hypocrites.

[@frankdearco]

Nowadays Mr. Richburg can watch again this interview and tell himself: What the hell was I thinking? Did I really say all that aloud?

[@dom104ubazil4]

My God if he was my professor I would skip college How someone from Detroit is debating on how anyone should live He looks like a damn fool

[@thiambengkhor2647]

This afro-american is full of BS believing that fundamental human rights are the monopoly of the west He should not be allowed to preach his falsehoods to the young in HK He does understand Chinese civilisation,culture and values.He speaks like an old colonialist and being a black he has to be more white than the white racist and supremacist

[@benbow7998]

China should stop him from spreading falsehood and terminate his employment pass

[@weiminqu3467]

He may work for CIA. It would all make perfect sense.

[@UnierseTruth]

@@thiambengkhor2647 good comment

[@danutahanyga4834]

I am not Chinese and don't live near China but I clearly see containment strategy, hostility and putting a lid on China. In other words I see counterproductive idiocy

[@lucyng-pellicioli916]

The moment the "Prof" said he couldn't see containment, he lost his credibility. All the instances and years leading to containment were true, but then he stopped at the point when America started containment.

[@volleyballdad5632]

“If you believe public survey data out of China “? This is the way this Keith debates. He had no data to back up his opinion, so he didn’t believe any data. Well, now we know how funny he is.

[@klarkewang]

Eric totally wins with number and data. The other guest just oh I disagreed, I think, should be, where is the damn numbers he used? lol

[@lucyng-pellicioli916]

Yeah, his "arguments" and anecdotes (vs data) are totally not befitting of a professor's!

[@zijieliang7038]

Eric speaks by NUMBERS, all the black guy has is ideology remaining in last century. I am really shock he is the prof. of HK University though !!!

[@angchee9388]

China should kick him out of HK instead of letting this type of bias person continue to mislead HK youth and cause further damage to China!

[@wf645]

@@grasshopper3918 Isn't a Journalist suppose to support their research and reporting by facts ? Even Adrian Zenz support his hit piece on Xinjiang by FAKE facts and figures ...

[@andrewlim7751]

@@djsimma8617 It's strange, he knew American's history better than the black guy did.

[@bobsmith3983]

@@wf645 Fake fact and figures. Cherry picking data and misconstruing information. Adrian Zenz is the source of most of the nonsense material on the so called Xinjiang genocide. Michele Bacholet the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights since 2018 recently visited Xinjiang and found no evidence of genocide.

[@nancytay648]

🌎 🗺 🌏 🌐 MORE WORRIED ABOUT E TYRANNIES HEGEMONIES OF E WESTSSSSSSS☮☮

[@MegaSuehan]

Seems like the HKU professor's arguments do not hold water.

[@MrTnylam]

Maybe the professor should read the Harvard study of how happy the Chinese people are. A study over 10 years of surveys and studies.

[@calvinbowen3940]

If they had grown up in the fiftes or sixties they wouldn't be.

[@MrAntonychong]

@Calvin, of course they wouldn't be happy for that time was the difficult transition to communism. And ppl were poor and cultural revolution and starvation was worsening the situation. Tell me, were the blacks and other minorities happy during the 18th to mid 20th century America? America was still democratic then right??

[@kcetebe8012]

He is a Prof who doesn't read nor study. How else would he think Brazil,the most racist country on earth right now - more racist than the US - is a success? You have to go to Brazil and see the condition their black population lives under.

[@tanmenghuat7032]

Eric really go point by point until the professor got nothing to counter back! Good job Eric!

[@quinnishappy5309]

Eric lied about pretty much everything go and check his claim on democratic Taiwan and see if they are doing well as an economy?

[@tanmenghuat7032]

@@quinnishappy5309 They are all experts so easy to tell lies, eh?

[@quinnishappy5309]

@@tanmenghuat7032 sorry dont understand?

[@hypernation8298]

Except for the public surveys from china!! Eric even says he doesn't fully believe it himself ahahahahaha

[@tc-fz5qn]

Read William Blum's "America's Deadliest Export - Democracy" and watch John Pilger's KZbin documentaries "The War on Democracy" and "The Coming War on China" . The Professor will be embarrassed.

[@khk4807017]

I know why he is lecturing in Hong Kong. If you were to say the same think about US in a US university, especially in a black university, he would be laughed off stage.

[@ellenfang8064]

He's in the same league as Benny Tai, the mastermind behind Occupy Central in 2014. He has been fired by HK University in response to public anger and pressure!

[@winslowKOC]

You said that right

[@清-u5o]

@@ellenfang8064 Glad to hear the news.

[@sl531]

Internet freedom? Snowden has already warned against the idea. So who is wiser?

[@blardymunggas6884]

Many westerners are harping about freedom of speech but do not realized they really don’t have one. A bad comment on yt is taken down all the time for example. The west don’t understand how the chinese view the ccp and why are platforms like FB or YT are banned. Most chinese view their ccp gov as their father or head of the family by heart due to recent successful track record. Regarding the ban of FB or YT, as I mentioned above, they can control what they want you to see which is dangerous for any country. No difference to why so many countries ban porns or etc. If a platform that can be used by the US to brainwash their people, why would any country allow it? Freedom comes with responsibility. Do you have the freedom to kill? Same thing

[@johnm7267]

@@blardymunggas6884 Very good. Well said

[@blardymunggas6884]

@@johnm7267 appreciate that you’re an advocate of truth like me. We fight for what is right irregardless of skin color or religions. Thanks buddy

[@张楗萍]

And assange

[@wyz9815]

Freedom in US? Sure, I advise Americans to count the coins in their pocket, then they will know how much freedom they have! US internet " freedom" ? I won't complain that the facts about human rights violations of US that posted were deleted, they banned their president just a few months ago!

[@philiphew796]

Lincoln “democracy is government of the people, by the people , for the people”. By this definition the government of China is democratic.

[@wyz9815]

US is neither "by" nor "of " the people, but "by" and "of" the riches and ruling elites and only "for" the riches and ruling elites. But US does express its "love" for people of the world through their guns and bombs and dollar hegemony.

[@th.ynwa88]

Li offered facts, prof offered rhetoric

[@btpennycook]

The bottom 50% in America have stagnated for the last 40 year's while the top 10% have enjoyed a wealth explosion as there has been an asset value explosion through excessive money printing .

[@andrewlim7751]

The richest men in u.s. don't pay any tax, yeah, you got a problem.

[@leungpaul9401]

@@andrewlim7751 Donald trump paid $750 for tax only and the richest group pay way less tax rate than other group.

[@andrewlim7751]

Correction, it's for the top 1%, some say it's 0.1%. 😁

[@NuestraPatriaGrande]

Richard has it wrong on a few points. CONTAINMENT HAS BEEN AND IS PART OF US AND WESTERN POWERS FOREIGN POLICY. The change in strategy was a calculation that China could be another western market for Western goods. The idea behind the transnational investment was the exploitation of The Chinese Market! China was allowed to manufacture for The US and world markets. Billionaires made a mint in both China and In The west, including The US. The only difference was that in America only billionaires benefitted. In China, poverty alleviation helped 850 million people out of extreme poverty! The West created poverty as China created a better life for millions!! The Domino Theory that created US military bases along the borders of China, has never been dropped. The bases still are as active now as ever. The reality of containment has not stopped China from growing economically. China continues to grow when all other nations are plagued with recessions. The reason that makes China successful is that not ideology. China has a developmental model that I call a SOCIAL MERITOCRACY! IT IS A DYNAMIC THAT MAKES GREAT GOVERNANCE ITS KEY COMPONENT! The purpose of a social meritocracy is the betterment of The People's Education, health, and welfare!! The economic rights of each and every Chinese is the mandate of The Chinese government. Billionaires are permitted to make all the money they wish. But they are precluded from influencing governance. The West is lost because billionaires control politics for the benefit of billionaires; NOT THE PEOPLE!!

[@teckchuonting4582]

👍👍👍well said

[@lisashung9442]

Very insightful and excellent summary

[@voidchen4864]

Good point

[@ML-wu1qh]

Well said 👍🏻

[@kennethisaac233]

Who is following their model? Just curious coz I want to check em out. Would be interesting to see. Also, I think the Prof is talking about ppl freedom (think of how ppl are treated in military regime as the opposite) and I call that the ppl system, which is diff from the govt sys (social meritocracy or social democracy 4 e.g). I also think while democracy promotes this freedom, freedom itself is independent. However, the west bunches then together. The Prof didn't to be fair and I don't think he hates the Chinese govt system, he said it at the end. He just doesn't like the limited freedom. Brazil for e.g has higher freedom as the ppl system but the govt system is underperforming at least at the time of this video (don't know about now). I hope I explained it well for you. My solution for this differences is for the America to stop promoting democracy and call it freedom instead. Then the Chinese can show them how they aren't controlling their citizens and how they have some freedom/rights and maybe show them plans to increase those as they grow. Then the Chinese can also help by showing the Americans how their govt system is more social for the capitalist i.e social capitalism instead of social democracy. Hopefully, that would stop everyone from fighting. Question : do you think total citizen freedom can work with the Chinese govt system?

[@leeben7605]

This professor has so much prejudice.

[@calvinbowen3940]

That's a good thing, right?

[@td7074]

Calling yourself an educator doesn't mean you are knowledgeable.

[@tyh9206]

This professor is so out dated now. Biden is as loud as he could to stop china.

[@toonpangboon8526]

How come that black guy can be a professor when he doesnt argue on fact.

[@geoff9858]

Ask the Dean of HKU "who gave him that position and why?"

[@geoff9858]

Should ask how was he selected and why?

[@justinzhang9935]

​@@geoff9858 HK is a very complex city. This black's appearance clearly satisfies someone backstage.

[@geoff9858]

Reports state that thousands of westerners left HK before the internal security act was enforced. Why leave if truly are doing proper jobs there?

[@ytheng66]

in Chinese saying 睁眼说瞎话 and obviously is applicable universally.

[@spadeysay6846]

Keith suggested that if the CPC is so confident of its popularity with the chinese people, then should have an election. Base on the same argument perhaps the US should also allow a communist political party to stand for election in America. And if he is so confident that Americans will not support it, it will lose. Will the US regime take up that challenge?

[@iggy5347]

Just do business buddy. China dont force the us political system and us dont force china to become the usa. Simple. This is like argument which is better rice or bread?? That is why middle east always in conflict because america force middle east to become democracy.

[@diggingmystyle]

It's funny that Americans actually believe they have democracy and freedom.

[@jamesandrew4478]

Its funny that Chinese actually believe that they can keep getting rich forever.

[@yaxiongzhao6640]

@@jamesandrew4478 Yes, no country remain powerful forever... Of course there will be rise and fall. Oh wait, now I understand why US is falling!

[@jamesandrew4478]

@@yaxiongzhao6640 US is falling? That's why we have millions of Chinese immigrants in US... Chinese people are fleeing China. Look at the long queues in US immigrations. Do you find any one waiting in Chinese embassy asking Chinese citizenship. No one! 🤣😂😅🤣

[@wyz9815]

@@jamesandrew4478 Immigration from China decreased from 81,772 in FY 2016 to 65,214 in FY 2018, a drop of more than 20%, the number of Immediate Relatives of U.S. Citizens from China dropped by 7,636, or 24.1%. Instead of stucking in the past or staring at where we are now, Chinese like to see the trand, the direction to where the world is going. And what is the trand? With China approaching to replace US become the biggest economy in the world and with US becoming more and more unsafe and hostile to Chinese, not only more and more Chinese choose to return home but less and less will chose to immigrant to US. And it is happening now! And there are over 600,000 foreign expats living in China right now while there was nearly none decades ago! they came to China all by their own choice, and many are applying Chinese green cards. Why the change? China is becoming prosperous and welcoming to people around the world! US is still very powerful, but compare with where it were decades ago, it has become much less powerful and it is not only lossing its confidences and nearly turned itself into paranoid schizophrenia when facing China's challenge, what do you call it? Decline!

[@diggingmystyle]

@杰克 they come here to study or work. They're doing this just for money and most can't wait to go back to China. I personally can't wait until I can.actually afford to retire and move to a 2nd or 3rd tier city.

[@dominictang568]

A very dangerous professor in HKU. Someone arranged his employment in the name of freedom and democracy.

[@kennyz6271]

Eric is right , Taiwan lost about everything to the other 3 Asian dragons after adopting democracy .

[@wf645]

Errr its only Taiwan is talking about the Asian dragons or Tiger ... the rest - Singapore, HK & S Korea has been playing in the big leagues for years and does not talk the 4 Tigers / dragons anymore ...

[@padtag1742]

Both are good debaters. But when he said “ if you trust public surveys in China…” that’s when he dramatically lowered himself. Cause he is being a disgrace untrusting the opposite side’s data without his own proof

[@rebeccagaddi135]

Millions of Chinese students study abroad. And they go back to China after.

[@tharealrebels]

Often times bringing western values with them like democracy!

[@lostinmuzak]

They do? How many?

[@bluefish7940]

China is run by engineers and scholars. The westerns countries run by rich old white people. No country on earth can compare or compete with China.

[@tharealrebels]

@@bluefish7940 United States, india??

[@bluefish7940]

@@tharealrebels United States is broke ! Their middle class live from pay check to pay check. India need another 40 years to catch up. Do they have any infrastructure ?

[@ensteffo]

To the last point of Keith Richburg about "China must give their people more "freedoms". Just like poverty alleviation Chinese people have had their freedoms multiply like no other people on earth these last few decades so its wrong to paint a picture of the reverse of actual governmental policy.

[@kokofan50]

You’re technically right because China has gone from no freedoms to a modicum of freedom for a few.

[@zzlee79]

Look at the mess that has brought by freedom in US. Freedom must be constraint with responsibility and morals.

[@leojack5432]

kokofan50 As a Chinese, reading what you want to read are no longe a issue if you have a VPN that might cost 30dollars per year. Also , if u uses a google with Chinese words to search news, 99% news is about a anti-China government news and fake information about the realty. I like to read the both sides story, but those news website is absolutely garbage.

[@abdiweliyusuf3929]

hahahaha since when i wanna know

[@johnm7267]

@@abdiweliyusuf3929 you are delusional like that stupid professor. Look at the mess America, the richest country in the world, is in. I won’t bother to point out the defects. I notice your comments are all short one line comments of your opinions, but never any in depth analysis or proof of anything. This is typical of most one line opinions. You have never been to China and yet know all about it. I suggest you look at America and learn something of your own disgraceful, violent past, before you judge anyone else. Americans are in no position to take the moral high ground.

[@mythicalmining7999]

I really wanted Eric to say, "come on bro, has democracy worked out for African Americans? Tell me again about Jim Crow laws"

[@willng247]

Wow.

[@tuesdae666]

He was giving the other party a chance and not wanting to strike below the belt.

[@pierren___]

The biggest chunk of poor people in the US is white people. They are the revolutionnary mass

[@Arthur-uw1vm]

As a mainlander born at late 1980s, I used to trust what the Western scholars said abt our political system, but I don't believe it as time passing by, not just b/c what CCP has achieved, also involves how the lies are exposed by looking at what they have done to the poor middle east. Democracy/freedom is just a good thing(if it really could) for themselves, and is very likely to be poison to countries whose history/culture/economic are not yet ready to adopt. Besides, when considering the fact that China is taking over US world dominant place, this democracy fairy tale looks more like a Trojan horse .

[@0bleach0]

Well said, just a note that it is the CPC not CCP. It would be like calling the USA "the AUS"

[@dsmoove5456]

How about we just call them China instead of Communist Party of China. It would be like calling the United States " Democratic Party of America".

[@miao4884]

From what I hear and what I can digest, it sounds more like a forced “freedom” on China. Why do Chinese have to agree that KFC, McDonald’s and other US values and cultures are the best?

[@reecemorton4786]

liberalism has nothing to do with corporatism, dummy

[@jeffrey2326]

But KFC and McDonalds are pretty good values to go by if you ask me

[@miao4884]

@@jeffrey2326 I totally agree with your opinion; however, it would be a forced value spread onto others whose values are not of yours.

[@jeffrey2326]

@@miao4884 👌

[@seansailBruce]

What Eric said is so needed by the US to fight against Covid-Pandemic

[@kirilenkeung]

Dude is head of school of journalism at hong kong university, and most of his arguments are just weak (but i do like his point re legitimacy of CPC once economy slows down) not to mention they are mostly bias based. That says something about HK press. Possibly also a glimpse into why hk youth as a whole is politically naive.

[@turtlesoup8134]

All nation will face challenge when they cannot deliver economic prosperity to their citizens no matter what form of government they adopt. If you want to see what happen if China grows at 2-3%, now is the best time to see since this is what is happening on the ground now. Are the Chinese rioting now? Compare this to what is happening in the US and you will see that the so called democratic country are not immune to social turmoil when the govt do not deliver. 2-3% growth is still a good growth number when the quality o f the growth is good. It will take multi-year deep recession to cause rioting in China.

[@kirilenkeung]

Turtlesoup 81 fair point

[@zzlee79]

This guy probably is planted to deliver what he is supposed to do.

[@BoreynWon]

@@turtlesoup8134 This year´s growth of China indeed would be 2-3, but it still would´t be a such accurate point to see the impact of the decrease of economy, cuz the whole world economies are facing a retrogress, 2-3 would even more valuable than 8-9 before. But if China can go through this mid income trap, I would say, barely no chance to see impact of decrease of economy in the way that the western world like.

[@turtlesoup8134]

@@BoreynWon 2-3% is the same number no matter what the other country produce. No country is going to riot because of 2-3% growth. The source of the discontent is usually something more serious such as real unemployment, religious conflicts, poverty, etc. The idea of China rioting at 2% growth is concocted by the west as a way to explain the social contract that Chinese people may have with the Chinese govt as a way to legitimize CPC rule. This is to assure the western population that CPC rule will be short lived and temporary. The smart people that study geopolitic of course know that it is a lie targeted to appease western populace. The history of China shows that it will much more that slow economic growth to cause a riot and revolution. It will take extreme poverty, corruption and external forces combined to bring down China.

[@CWai-vf3ol]

No containment? Where has Richburg been? It conversion must be at least 3 years old.

[@simben4435]

3 years later. Eric is right

[@willng247]

If there is no freedom of speech or expression in China what is Richberg doing in a HK university

[@walhdamaskus2408]

Or teaching in china.

[@rambojp73]

I'm Scottish and Proud of it,if I had to pick a winner I would say the Chinese guy won hands doon! ☘🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@fredtan1506]

Eric is very intelligent. China must have more "Eric Li's" in store, considering there are 1.4 billion Chinese.

[@blardymunggas6884]

Eric tried to join the party but he was out competed by other brighter candidates. The CCP are constantly attracting a huge talent pool. Eric is already super intelligent in any standards, hence imagine those who out beaten him for a post within the ccp. In democratic party on the other hand, its not how smart you are, its how rich you are and who you know

[@niming5983]

@@blardymunggas6884 are you serious? do you know how many people join the party every day? its NOT difficult. he wasn't out competed. plus party cardres are NOT very smart.

[@wyz9815]

@@niming5983 I agree with you, not every Party member is smart, most of them are just normal people, but I think you have to be very intelligent and competent to compete for important positions though, unlike US, you have to be rich rather than competent to be a leader.

[@caijunxu3300]

Yes, I wish one day I will be like him! I am always so inspired by his speech! Eric Lee(李世默先生) is my idol!

[@blardymunggas6884]

@@wyz9815 you are spot on. In America, the biggest liar will get to be in power

[@ca1vin728]

It's been very interesting to watch this debate in 2020, and very good point - mind your own business(and leave us alone).

[@Tristar10h]

Please always read the video summary, this panel session was dated on January of 2018

[@isokabooks3758]

They won't leave you or anyone else for that matter, alone. All the 500 Years of their rise they have invaded, looted and plundered the rest of the world. Just defend yourself.

[@pascalgu6771]

Looking back from 2021, what a joke this so-called professor was.

[@kokbenggan4795]

Which planet is this guy from? It's amazing how just anybody can become a professor.

[@hohohohoho262]

Detroit, apparently

[@kanyil]

I find the logic hard to follow: no containment strategy in 2020 because 50 years ago US had a different strategy?

[@qave]

that kids, is the difference between a professor stuck in his own academic bubble and a realist present capitalist 😂

[@stevenhuang4193]

As a black man, I really love to ask this professor how he thinks of I can't breath???

[@jamesandrew4478]

Huang, you are a black man? 😂🤣😂 looks like the professor can breathe very well! Can you ?

[@stevenhuang4193]

@@jamesandrew4478 beautiful response, idiot

[@jamesandrew4478]

@@stevenhuang4193 good luck 50 cent party trash can! 😉😆

[@stevenhuang4193]

@@jamesandrew4478 you can not deal the truth, a lot of sad people like you here

[@jamesandrew4478]

@@stevenhuang4193 what truth are you talking about Mr. HUANG? 😉

[@Lululemon2023]

The real question should be why is this professor still employed by HK U if all he could profess is ideology, totally oblivion to facts

[@yjiu446]

真是，这种人怎么能允许在这毒害香港的大学生。 完全强加自己价值观给香港青年，恶毒

[@wisdom2786]

Guess who is the clever one and the other one is certainly biggest fool in the academic world. Brilliant thanks for educating the KZbin viewers

[@mengsiongkheng113]

This is March 2021 and with a bit of hindsight I will some comment. First, I agree with both summaries. Second, I will declare Eric as the winner on balance. I am an Asian first and a Singaporean. I get a bit wary of westerner seeing China with a western lens and relying on personal anecdotal evidence, just too much inherent bias. So much is wrong with America now and it pained me as I was a great supporter of the west in my youth but over the last 20 years and more, especially the last 7-8 years, my view has swung to the other end of the spectrum. America is in a mess, look at the lies and misinformation emanating from the politicians and main stream media. The countless wars and with false justification, the killing and of black lives and minorities, the homelessness, ignoring science and the repercussion of Covid handling, the declining wages of the vast majority of the workforce over the last 30+ years, the decaying infrastructure, ... I could go on. The American model is broken. Conversely, socialism, especially China’s model is very impressive. They have alleviated 800 millions from extreme poverty, reforestation of vast area of Gobi desert, 90+ % of approval ratings by the population, significant improvement in life expectancy ( though I will admit many countries has done that too). China has helped many countries with infrastructure development ( of course a mutual win-win) instead of dropping bombs. You can’t close your eyes to all these unless you are a China hater and wilfully choose to turn a blind eye. Yes, I am biased now towards China as I was biased and in favour of the west in my younger days. In closing, while XJP has done exceptionally well in steering China but I do agree that longer term China needs to tone down the authoritarian model. I dislike the many military generals ruling any country in whatever pretext.

[@johnm7267]

Yes I agree and well said

[@wyz9815]

I agree totally for I have similar feeling and experience about western system and ideology.

[@nancytay648]

WESTERN values containbalot tension threats BANS n sanctions I NO values but only high tariffs to scammed others to bankruptcy..IS it good values????

[@irone7050]

same, i used to admire the west for their science & tech culture but now i dislike them because of their lies and contempt.

[@jaylung1117]

Very illustrative and remarkable visions that Eric Lee presented in this debate. Great job!

[@miao4884]

Freedom is a choice not a “forced oneness” aka “regime change”.

[@changruishi4533]

Eric: went to college at Berkeley, got an advanced degree from Stanford, and a PhD from Fudan, one of the top schools in China. A successful venture capitalist who knows the western culture and history. The other guy: meaningless fancy titles, lived in China for 3 years, bet he doesn't speak Chinese, and teaches journalism in some insignificant HK university. AND he says LATAM countries are doing well. By Detroit standard, I guess he was not wrong. lmfao

[@tbseow344]

My word! How did Keith get a job as a professor of HKU? His opening statement is 20 year behind time. Uncle Sam was like that 20 years ago. Only after they realized that they are left behind, they made an U-turn to contain China. Presently they are not only trying to contain with trade wars, Quad and Fonops, war games, etc. To Prof, what are those? To help China?

[@Mysterious_Person.87]

Not a mention about Aukus Alliance too

[@yilia9714]

When China debunkers like this professor cannot win debates they always say I have friends from mainland who sais blablabla...

[@rachelz9064]

eric use actual number，the other guy all he has is ideology

[@albertbandura6412]

Eric Li was spot on in 2018 and we can see clearly now what's happening in the world who follow their model.

[@kennethisaac233]

Who is following their model? Just curious coz I want to check em out. Would be interesting to see. Also, I think the Prof is talking about ppl freedom (think of how ppl are treated in military regime as the opposite) and I call that the ppl system, which is diff from the govt sys (social meritocracy or social democracy 4 e.g). I also think while democracy promotes this freedom, freedom itself is independent. However, the west bunches then together. The Prof didn't to be fair and I don't think he hates the Chinese govt system, he said it at the end. He just doesn't like the limited freedom. Brazil for e.g has higher freedom as the ppl system but the govt system is underperforming at least at the time of this video (don't know about now). I hope I explained it well for you. My solution for this differences is for the America to stop promoting democracy and call it freedom instead. Then the Chinese can show them how they aren't controlling their citizens and how they have some freedom/rights and maybe show them plans to increase those as they grow. Then the Chinese can also help by showing the Americans how their govt system is more social for the capitalist i.e social capitalism instead of social democracy. Hopefully, that would stop everyone from fighting. Question : do you think total citizen freedom can work with the Chinese govt system?

[@etlay5684]

Prof Richburg should be sacked from HK university, no wonder the youth of HK are so blinded and brain washed.

[@level1selamat155]

Not yet laa. He needs salary to support himself and family.

[@iamsheep]

“McDonalds and KFC, and other good things from the West”…ok dude already lost the debate.

[@choejj8804]

come on man, he is a prof. please show some respect .... lol

[@kabiraningangom1248]

That was weird. MacDonald's and kfc.

[@bruceli5726]

In term of freedom of knowledge I think the common Chinese know more about the world then the common American. But then again most ppl I know is from the city and they are more educated and wealthier relatively speaking.

[@reecemorton4786]

the average Chinese citizen makes the equivalent of 14,000 american dollars a year. based off of that, I’d say the vast majority of rural chinese are in poverty.

[@bruceli5726]

@@reecemorton4786 yeah that is why China is single handedly raise the bar in world poverty alleviation. And stuff in rural areas are way cheaper then the cities. I wouldn't say the same for the us. A bread in city prob cost 20rmb and in rural areas it prob cost 10. And in the us prob cost 30(5usd) all across the board. Because it standardised by major supermarkets.etc. Having said that price are racking up in China and wages are falling behind just like the rest of the world especially for housing.

[@bobsmith3983]

@@reecemorton4786 The absolute value of wages is irrelevant. What matter is what you can buy with it. You can get a lot more with US$14,000 in China than you can get with $80,000 in the USA.

[@reecemorton4786]

@@bobsmith3983 then why aren’t any Americans emigrating to China? Why are the Chinese emigrating to America?

[@walterkooy1307]

Eric loves these discussions because he knows he has better arguments. I am looking forward to a moment he gets an opponent of his level.

[@rap3208]

Eric has the subject matter well researched and can talk nonstop about it while asleep.

[@jamesz80]

Eric killed all Professor Richberg’s argument with one challenge: “Name one new democracy that worked in the last 40 years”

[@walhdamaskus2408]

The successed old democratic countries never been democratic when got rich and wealthy.

[@leesgtk8969]

I hope HK University sack this joker of a professor after this debate. This is the ultimate appraisal. He failed miserably.

[@rayhing4524]

Rich burg is not in the same league as Li.

[@ipfreak]

12:19, lol. when those sentences were written, his ancestors didn't even have those inalienable rights at all! his ancestors were not a part of "people"! those inalienable rights were not given to we chinese people either. we chinese people earned those inalienable rights with our lives, blood and sweat. i think now we chinese people have much better understanding of those inalienable rights. those inalienable rights are only available for chinese people when china as a whole is strong and safe!

[@johnm7267]

A good point you raised there about inalienable rights not applying to black people. The professor is painting self as a Jim Crow. I doubt he could say that in Detroit.

[@kevnewsinformation2299]

hahaha, the black guy really can talk the talk, but when the chinese guy bring out facts and figures, the black guy got destroyed.

[@rliu001]

The professor brought a knife to a gun fight. Eric is so above him in knowledge its not even a debate. Professor should take classes from Eric.

[@foreverfox6531]

The big question is why Richburg attracts unhappy students and likes to promote their opinion as example but Li doesn't use the opinions of those who are not happy with the western world, but instead, he uses statistics and polls which Richburg attacks. Journalists run their mouth; business professionals run their numbers.

[@vichitvideo6041]

University of Hong Kong made a big mistake by employing such a shallow-minded professor except that it has an agenda of it own and such a professor suits it purpose.

[@francisfoo6114]

Who hired this professor should be fired!

[@Darkvader401]

Just because your country is destroyed, don't destroy someone else's country.

[@rickyeng56]

Keith Richburg, let your kids mix with the bad boy and let see what will happen to their future.

[@loneranger4469]

Thank God China has not become like 'us'..

[@YounGunnCam9395]

I wonder if Keith has ever been to Shenzhen. It is estimated that 40% of all new tech innovations in silicon valley nowadays has roots from there. China has been leading the world in new tech patents for the past 3 years. China currently leads world innovation indexes in more than 30 categories of vital technologies including AI, 5G/6G, Quantum computing, renewables, space, genomics, biopharmaceuticals, railways transportation, etc). This whole narrative of how China needs more creativity to innovate has clearly been disproven.

[@Danderman888]

"... flooding the zone with KFC and MacDonald's, all the good things from the West..." Seriously?!

[@doctor19741]

“......they would become more like us...Opening their economy meant flooding the zone with McDonald’s and KFC and all the other good things from the West....”🙈🙈🙈🙈😅

[@valorzinski7423]

There are McDonald's and KFCs all over China tho lol

[@bluefish7940]

This black guy is funny. Wait till the cop pull him over. “ I can’t breathe”

[@jereflechis4014]

Wow a westerners from a free and democratic country being racist 😂

[@abrahamhaile4969]

I hope Keith Richburg today watch this debate and and his argument and judge what his country is doing about censorship, canceling culture and individual rights.

[@vidya014]

Shameful for the arrogant attitude display of the American journalist.

[@yc-tai]

To the "American journalist Keith Richburg", I'll take democracy if the lying stops......