a clip from 'The Wind that Shakes the Barley'

The part where two brothers take different sides.

[@Dragoneer]

I love how unstructured the dialogue is in this film. It makes scenes like this way more believable than overly cinematic ones…

[@Kelly14UK]

Jesus, the characters are up already prior to half 11 in the morning. These guys are PISSED at us Brits.

[@Jmc54xl]

@@Kelly14UKstill are pissed at you brits. Those bastards are still trying to run 2/3 of northern Ireland. They do nothing but shit all over the world

[@MrMurkosullivan]

Shame about the performances (bar the two that happened to get great success as actors). The rest of em are some of the worst acting I've seen in my life.

[@Ryan_hey]

@@MrMurkosullivan Welp, most people don't seem to share that feeling considering how successful the film was. Especially when you line it up against Michael Collins, another excellent film with a much higher budget but didn't do much better than this one.

[@childofforest]

I uploaded this clip 16 years ago and it’s still getting comments and likes. Proves how amazing this movie is. Also thanks everyone for liking the clip.

[@m.ceniza4688]

Goood clip

[@louisiananlord17]

I may put up the political stuff in a clip on my channel. But I watch this movie every March around St. Patrick's and love it! 🇮🇪 🇮🇪

[@Irishman0855]

Timeless brother

[@torontoboy45]

I'm not easily impressed but this movie ranks in my top 10 of all time. I studied the war of independence and civil war yrs ago and this production comes closer to the reality of ireland's savage situation in 1920 -22 than anything I've seen. great clip.

[@Downhomeherbwife]

A student of the Troubles here too and I agree

[@jonoessex]

If you've studied this period you must have been aware that the film in it's portrayal of the war of independence had a pro-IRA bias and an anti-treaty bias? Surely you don't believe this is objective history?

[@renderizer01]

@@jonoessex This film's objective was to show how the civil war divided the people, how it divided families, how it pitted brother against brother. It could just as well had been painted the other way round, the result would have been the same. And you must not confuse this version of the IRA, that of the Irish War of Independence and the Irish Civil War, with that of the Troubles - which really only started after the split of what would come to be known as the Official IRA and resulted in the formation of the PIRA in December 1969. Those were different entities.

[@jonoessex]

@@renderizer01 The film is made by Ken Loach (amongst others). He has always been a sympathiser with organisations like the Provisional IRA. The purpose of this film is to get the viewer to sympathise with them as well. Yes it's set 50 years before the troubles but the modern IRA were motivated by the ideology that partition is unfinished business and that the struggle must continue until all of Ireland is independent. That is the film' s agenda.

@@jonoessex You're not the brightest. Another english holocaust denier.

[@SnifflyWhale]

It's such an important moment. Driving Britain out is one thing, but building the institutions of a functioning state is just as if not more important.

[@khairiaris]

But if the institutions are rotten and fabric of society which binds people together are torn apart by vices, corruption and injustice.. You need a reset.. Either do it ourselves or an external threat will force a reset upon us..

[@davidcampbell4647]

Most important scene in the entire film, nationalists versus socialists.

[@thedukeofswellington1827]

Shame SF is a joke now.

[@robertcottam8824]

@@thedukeofswellington1827 Really?

[@Deathtrip420]

@@robertcottam8824sellouts slowly moving towards full compradore status with the British, EU, and US imperialists.

[@marktaylor6491]

Davos giving sagely advice here too.

[@BB-hz7sw]

Women of ireland.our heros

[@johnmcaree7298]

"Among the best traitors Ireland has ever had, Mother church ranks at the very top." Bernadette Devlin

[@brougherboy]

Great Film!!

[@Dr.Osterman]

Young Tommy was with the IRA back then 😆

[@Kelly14UK]

This is one of the BEST films ever done. Seen it at LEAST twice. Yes i am from Glasgow and i'm proud to be British. But disgusted at what our army did to the Irish. Surname : Kelly.

[@cou1202]

In reply to @jonoessex and any others spreading deliberate lies about this film, the Old IRA, and the War Of Independence: (1)Of course the Irish language was suppressed _ how the hell do you think English became the main language in Ireland? It certainly wasn’t by consent. How the hell do you think English became the main language in Wales, Scotland, and the colonies of the British Empire, all of which had their own languages? It certainly wasn’t by voluntary wish of the colonised. (2)Of course the Black & Tans, the Auxiliaries, British Intelligence, and some regular British troops like the Essex Regiment (who regularly tortured prisoners) were far more vicious and brutal, obscenely so, than the Old IRA. This was testified to by many of the regular British Army who despised the above much as many of the Wehrmacht despised the SS in WW2. It was also testified to by sections of the British public and parliamentary opposition who investigated what was going on in Ireland. Amazingly, it was even testified to by the Auxiliaries’ *own commander,* F.P. Crozier, an *Ulster Unionist,* who resigned in total disgust at the atrocities committed by his own men. It was even testified to by Southern Unionists of the “Big House” landlord class who began the war as firm supporters of the British: the Old IRA occasionally billeted units by force on these people for food and supplies (as an alternative to constantly risking their own, much poorer, supporters’ lives). The Southern Unionists who thus came in contact with the Old IRA were amazed at their decency and discipline (far from what British propaganda had led them to expect), and commented on it publicly afterwards to British newspapers. These people were also visited by the Tans and Auxiliaries, supposedly “their own side”, and were outraged by their behaviour. (3)You sneer in contempt about Teddy’s emotion when he executes his own brother, which he believes he has no choice about. In fact, we know from history that Kevin O’ Higgins defended the execution of his friend Rory O’ Connor, in the Dail during the Civil War _ and broke down while doing so. This was particularly noted because of O’Higgins’ reputation as a “cold man of strength”. But there were many such agonising incidents in the Civil War, which split families and communities down the middle. (4)You glibly assume that the Old IRA shot anyone and everyone suspected of being a spy or informer. In fact there are plenty of documented examples of accused collaborators being released, or in a few cases, ordered to leave Ireland, because the evidence against them was not sufficient. I don’t believe that you are unaware of the truth of these 4 points. Therefore, I repeat: you are spreading deliberate lies.

[@jonoessex]

TWTSTB leads the viewer to believe that the Irish language was suppressed by law this was not the case. People did often choose to speak English over Irish. There was no legal suppression of Irish at that time. I do not believe that the Black and tans were more brutal than the IRA. Both sides were brutal and both sides had likeable characters amongst them. The depictions of the tans are recreations of stereotypes. There were atrocities committed by the British forces. People who commit atrocities is war can be perfectly likeable people. The bad things that were done by the British does not justify the racist depiction of them. Many people including Ernie O'Malley praised the auxillaries for their courage and bravery. In order to keep us on the IRA's side throughout a big show is made of the emotions of IRA members before they kill people whilst when the Brits kill people they do it because of their wicked nature. I'm sure your average member of the IRA was no less prepared to use violence than your average black and tans. I'm not spreading any lies.

[@samdaniels2]

"How the hell do you think English became the main language in Wales, Scotland, and the colonies of the British Empire, all of which had their own languages?" Sorry, are you claiming that Scotland was colonised by England?

[@cou1202]

@@samdaniels2 Well, the history of Scotland up to James VI of Scotland (or if you prefer, James I of England) is a complex weave which I'm not going to pronounce on now, except to say that a far greater percentage in Scotland renounced the Catholic faith than in Ireland. But in short format _ yes, I would say that England was the dominant power, and remained so after the Acts Of Union. If you don't like the word "colonised" for Scotland ... fine, doesn't bother me. But I would say that England has always called the shots and Scotland doesn't seem to like it. You may be aware that one or two Scottish people want independence? But regardless, I've never met a single Scot _ on *EITHER* side of the independence debate _ who doesn't complain loudly and long about rule from London, with regard to almost *any* aspect of life you choose to name. And I lived in various parts of Britain for 20 years. In fact, Scottish people are far more vehement about England than Irish people outside of Northern Ireland. You can argue about why, but I would guess it's because the 26 Counties has got its independence and Scotland hasn't.

[@cou1202]

@@jonoessex You *ARE* spreading lies, and you deliberately distort anything and everything to defend even the most unspeakable acts by the British _ including things British governments *themselves* have stopped lying about. You've been doing so for years. Your first claim, about the language, is a classic example: a thin veneer of superficial legalism concealing the wider truth: The *TRUTH* is that, from the Penal Laws onwards, being an Irish Catholic who spoke only Irish meant being locked out of status, privileged education, or professional-level money. In effect, there was a system of apartheid in the service of British rule, but based on religion, not skin colour. Anglicans were on top, "Nonconformist" Protestant denominations in between, Catholics on the lower end _ and Catholics who only spoke Irish *FIRMLY* on the bottom. Despite Catholic Emancipation, even as late as 1916, much of this remained: Sean O'Casey testified how his mother always told him to emphasise that he was a Protestant whenever he applied for a job. Yes, you're *superficially* correct that there wasn't an actual government *law* against the Irish language _ there didn't need to be. After the Famine (deliberately allowed to happen by British governments _ I bet you'll defend that with *more* lies), many Irish parents forced their own children to stop speaking their own language _ even though many of those parents knew no English themselves. This was not done from a sudden freely-decided spontaneous love of the works of Shakespeare!! It was done out of deliberately-engineered poverty brought about by the way society was structured in Ireland _ to suit British colonial rule. As for everything else in your latest post, you are simply repeating lies which I already refuted. In the case of the Tans and Auxies, I have already indicated how plenty of sources *FROM THEIR OWN SIDE* denounced them and contrasted them with the Old I.R.A. You are a cold-blooded, deliberate and repeated anti-Irish liar. I've even seen you defend the unspeakable Stormont regime of 1922-1969, which has the dubious distinction of praise for its repression from the "architect of apartheid" in South Africa, Dr. Hendrik Frensch Verwoerd. Even by the low standards of KZbin, you have less credibility than anyone I've ever seen.

[@samdaniels2]

@@cou1202 Scotland was the one who suggested forming a union after their failed attempt at an empire. Hardly being 'colonised'. "But I would say that England has always called the shots and Scotland doesn't seem to like it." This is an empirical claim. What is the argument for that? "You may be aware that one or two Scottish people want independence?" Now, maybe. But you're fallaciously assuming that was *always* the case. "But regardless, I've never met a single Scot _ on EITHER side of the independence debate _ who doesn't complain loudly and long about rule from London, with regard to almost any aspect of life you choose to name." If this is your criteria for being 'colonised', then the North of England was also 'colonised'. "In fact, Scottish people are far more vehement about England than Irish people outside of Northern Ireland. " What does this even mean?

[@larry1824]

The action scenes were loose and clumsy and real. Murphy was superb

[@countsmyth]

amazing filim!!!!

[@jimmccormack7507]

Back in the know.

[@user-lt5zf4xh7d]

Yes its Eire but Teddy is a Soldier of the Revolution

[@IbnShahid]

Interesting.... Teddy talks about "taking this town from the British with force" (or similar such words). Did the Irish Nationalists actually manage to seize a town during the Independence War and hold it? I'm curious about that - I've studied the conflict and I'm not actually aware of that happening. Could be wrong though. Anyone here with any more info'??

[@DaveE7492]

Yes. During the height of the War of Independence, areas of Ireland became near impossible to govern, so the security forces abandoned them . And in the place of the British courts, Dail courts were set up.

[@UptheRa1803]

There were numerous examples of the ira holding towns against English attacks and attempts to sack them including one in longford if I remember correctly

[@johnroche7541]

@@UptheRa1803 That would be the village of Balinalee which the IRA defended from a reprisal against superior British forces. I can't think of any other example. It would be suicide for the IRA to try and hold towns. These towns were saturated with Crown Forces who had far superior firepower and such a tactic would not suit the guerilla warfare waged by the IRA at the time.

[@kkandsims4612]

Honestly this is an easy fix the English should have respectfully left Ireland but like always they gotta fight 🙄 they fought America ( never ended well for the red coats even know we are still pretty much there bitches .) they fought France they fought India they fought the island they fought South Africa and Egypt like learn ! God dam what’s us Ireland got that they want so badly .

[@shanebell2514]

@@kkandsims4612 The North East was a majority Unionist area, so the English kept it.

[@shanebell2514]

Idealists v Pragmatists.

[@davidcampbell4647]

And the pragmatists won, why the country is a neoliberal shitshow in 2023.

[@mEmory______]

It's not at all pragmatic to waste a revolution on recreating oppression.

[@whataday-whataday]

This movie fucked me up, but I love this clip.

[@joanaisabelcolltruyol3090]

I like irish films.....

[@Michael_Hoare]

It is hateful but who made the hate necessary the British that's who and didn't u even watch this film probably not because u loyalists won't listen to facts

[@jonoessex]

If you're talking about me I'm not a loyalist I'm anti-IRA propaganda in film and I'm against anti-British films. This film spreads pointless unnecessary hatred.

[@user-ys5yv2nz6w]

@@jonoessex It literally just presents what happened in history with an interesting plotline.

[@jonoessex]

@@user-ys5yv2nz6w Of course it doesn't. It's a pro-IRA film. Surely that's obvious.

[@user-ys5yv2nz6w]

@@jonoessex What Is historically innacurate about the film

[@jonoessex]

@@user-ys5yv2nz6w It's a complete distortion of history. It 's designed to demonise the British and to present the IRA in a positive light, it's also designed to make the viewer sympathize with the anti-treaty side and their ideology. It misleads the viewer into believing British rule at that time was far more oppressive than it was in reality. For example the Irish language was not suppressed at that time and neither were gaelic sports. The film presents the idea that they were. I could go on!

[@jimmccormack7507]

Get ready.

[@godisreality7014]

Ephraim vs. Manasseh.

[@seanjohn2312]

What are they arguing for?

[@jimbobjimjim6500]

Nice try...​@@Kustomone

[@simplelogic9090]

Example why women can understand thing's outside of an emotional angle.

[@lordcharlesthomas]

Real

[@ajpw1981]

...funny if he pulled out a ig fat wedge 😂

[@irishblondie6750]

🇮🇪☘🙏🕯

[@keveydaking]

by this town he meant ''ireland'' and no they didnt irish nationalists used guerilla warfare

[@user-ze8yy8jg1f]

No they mean that town Also no Flying colours on had around 1000 volenteers over 115 thousand served on the ira West ireland faced the first artillery bombing since the Easter rising 90 ira defended a village against 500 tans backed by heavy artillery Germany sent ship tons of guns

[@MachinaGirlRobots]

Me an my fuckin brother

[@seanbrennan4356]

Irish political debate 2024: “how will I receive hundreds of thousands of euro if we aren’t shipping in thousands of immigrants from Algeria Syria and Nigeria?”

[@jimmccormack7507]

Movies.

[@mauricio460]

BETTER THAN PAINT IT FUCKING RED, ANYWAY!

[@blast3028]

Teddy was and is right

[@ProfessorChomsky]

There's a similar scene in Land and Freedom where it's all about the direction of where to go, and belief and ideas. It's the battle of ideas and who you are and what you believe in and justice, equality and socialism. First rate film making x

[@Moosemoose1]

Arguing how they need weapons when they were able to fight up to that point by stealing them off the Brits

[@shanebell2514]

The British were retreating in the south of ireland and ammo was in short supply maybe.

[@user-ze8yy8jg1f]

Brits were on the run with the guns Tans were thw only ones left and they hid in the castles

[@colintatum6872]

These lot could start an argument in an empty room 😂 Britain leaves and Germany rules. And still they all argue

[@probablydaydreaming3895]

All conflict in Ireland that still goes on today is a result of British invasion and brutality in Ireland. Believe it or not if you massacre and hurt people and divide a country in two there are going to be lasting impacts. Britain has spread violence and devastation across the world, where do you get off laughing at the people that suffer because of it.

[@shanebell2514]

@@probablydaydreaming3895 To be honest it was divided because there was a Unionist majority in the North East, and they wanted no part of the Irish state. The partition though took far too much land from the free state.

[@Brecconable]

​@@probablydaydreaming3895 so what were the Irish doing to us circa AD 400 to 800?

[@jimmccormack7507]

Weapons for Ukraine.

[@slasher8145]

Lets leave the hands of ireland to woman 🙄🙄

[@johnmurdoch8534]

Movie sucked. So simplistic

[@ProfessorChomsky]

Oh dear.

[@kenoliver8913]

Beautiful and dramatic dialogue, beautifully filmed and beautifully acted - I'd pay to watch it again. But I agree it is very one sided and simplistic. Like all the best propaganda it tells no outright lies but is just very selective in its truths.

[@jonoessex]

I wander whether you'd find this film fantastic if you were British and a victim of a hateful film like that? Or a victims of the PIRA?

[@UptheRa1803]

It was directed by an Englishman you massive spastic

[@alizesheehan7243]

I'm sorry but I'm sure they could manage after torturing the Irish people for 800 years and killing over half the population.

[@harrywhitehead7442]

Shane Gallagher Considering the majority of Republican targets were police/military, ie people wearing UNIFORMS, how the hell did they manage to kill so many civilians (700+)? At least British state forces could argue (however badly) that their targets were dressed as civilians. No such excuse for provos.

[@UKDK84]

That’s like the wolf asking the sheep,”Why do you hate me?”

[@DK-cy5mt]

@Shane Gallagher what a shithead you are