A Completely Unbiased Review

[@Brad-fo8dz]

The fact that people are comparing a $400 headset vs a $3500 is a a massive W for meta

[@everythingpony]

700$* but yeah

[@Brad-fo8dz]

@@everythingpony I got my quest 3 for 345 pounds. Thr 128gb version

[@benjaminzipser6021]

I mean it's basically the only competitor

[@Brad-fo8dz]

@@benjaminzipser6021 I know, but we're finding the quest to be better at most things even though it's 3000 less

[@the_undead]

​@@benjaminzipser6021and yet the only thing the apple headset does better is watching movies and stuff and it's not anywhere close to better by enough to justify the price tag

[@obiwankenoobi4202]

LMG needs to deploy a large beard model (LBM) AI for Linus.

[@langstonbelin]

LMG needs LBM you’re right lol!

[@michaelmonstar4276]

I read "Large Beard Motel" at first...

[@deleted-something]

true

[@Momonga-s7o]

Large bard model (LBM) AI for Linus: he will sing lullabies for you and your children.

[@liesandy291]

Nah he needs to be vtuber lel.

[@rustler08]

Requesting a censor over Linus' face until he grows back a beard.

[@SHUTDOORproduction]

He went from business owner to intern

[@P3GProductions]

Nah beards are gay

[@nurajannattaslima9853]

baby face is also gay@@P3GProductions

[@paul_wiggin]

this could be fun to make for 1st april episode

[@SewerShark]

​@@P3GProductionsso, you are saying that gay is a bad thing?

[@NaudVanDalen]

6:32 The Apple Vision Pro is a nightmare for Italians especially.

[@hellovagim]

😂😂 good one

[@A3DIII]

His argument "It's made for a specific type of person" Then Zuck is right about is being the better product in general.

[@jonathaneriksson9273]

I have never heard Luke have a good original comment.

[@cyjanek7818]

Once he realised that he is talking about specific people he knows he corrected himself and "generally agreed" with Zuck standpoint: 6:59. Some people are quick to be haters without proper reason lol.

[@mrxcs]

Pay so much more to do one thing better and the rest significant worse.

[@xeon2k8]

Zuck said "it's a better product period" that's not true since as you noticed Linus mentioned, for some people's case Vision Pro is much better

[@jayjay210197]

If it's a better product for the vast majority of people, then it's a better product. The minority doesn't change the rule

[@ItsFactor]

I'm willing to bet every single person Luke said uses the headset daily for productivity will completely abandon it within 2 months.

[@willo1345]

Yea I'm a little confused there. Who the fuck is putting that on to work everyday? You can't even see the keyboard while having it on lol

[@DhiegoLucio]

​@@willo1345someone that spent 3500$ and must make it worth it

[@colindavenport2619]

We already seeing that and it has only been 2 weeks with a good chunk of buyers returning them.

[@jakeoshay]

@@willo1345 I don't look at my keyboard basically at all working without a headset, I hope that's not a big deal for most people?

[@jacobp8294]

Only the biggest apple fanboys think this is revolutionary. It's an HMD with passthrough enabled. You could do this in 2014.

[@cptobvious1228]

2:13 look at his hair, glitch in the matrix? 😂

[@ngroy8636]

Maybe it is AI generated Linus

[@gautamkrishnar]

Yes

[@thanos879]

Linus was sick today so they used an AI generated Linus. Quite the advancement. I remember when they used to use a cardboard cutout with a video call window in front of it.

[@AyaWetts]

@@thanos879 joke on you, Linus doesn't exist, he's always been AI

[@scellyyt]

it is an encoding error

[@theonlyqwert]

30hz hand tracking is just atrocious, 30hz without the option of controllers is a terrible mistake. As is its a fancy monitor solution which hurts your neck and your bank.

[@samcerulean1412]

It's a stepping stone, I think Apple will have to face the reality that the vast majority will wait for later iterations.

[@Lucifer-fj7mg]

AVP hand tracking is still the best we got in market

[@quantuminfinity4260]

@@kadupse In terms of accuracy, it’s significantly better than the quest for a day to day use with a very wide field of accurate detection. Infinitely better in low light because of its infrared illumination. But yes, especially through Unity’s framework for some reason It is far too slow for any kind of high movement gaming and a massive for development.

[@slothonastick32]

​@kadupse yes it is. I have a quest 3 and the hand tracking is still more of a gimmick then anything else

[@wolfbad512]

@@quantuminfinity4260 I hate when I see ppl like you who compare it to the quest 3 while not even talking about the price Of course it's gonna be better if it's 5 times the price but it's not 5 times better

[@michaelangelo1887]

Not having time for "private time" as the owner of any size business simply means that you don't prioritize private time for yourself. Which checks out considering the amount of times Linus has had burnout. Prioritizing private time for yourself has major health benefits and will ultimately help your business more than suffering through burnout every 3-6 months. It should be easy to set time aside for yourself when you have over a hundred employees, a CEO separate from yourself, and upper-management that SHOULD be able to handle themselves for 3-5 hours a week. I think the hard part is "shutting it off" when you do have that time to yourself. It's something I'm struggling to do myself so I get it.

[@wolfgangBuonarotti]

he said hes never alone because he has a family. bit nicer than overworking.

[@z0bi_]

@@wolfgangBuonarotti His "problem" is that he has both. A big family and a big owner-run company.

[@edkrassenstein5534]

This is just not even accurate. Idk why people thumbs-up stuff like this, Linus does not have a burnout every 3-6 months.

[@Shaz8389]

​@@edkrassenstein5534 unless I've missed it I think he's had one or two public admissions of burnout in what, 12/13 years?

[@jacobthompson3538]

My only issue with this comment is the added on responsibilities of being a father or husband. You may but I see where Linus is coming from

[@joeyghostx]

So here is the question: Who is the Apple Vision Pro for? Cause as a person who works in XR and AR offices, its very silly for me.

[@KatemisMoon]

As a dev, is the first headset I can actually do work in because of the crisp text. And Immersed is coming to it, so it’ll really close the gap.

[@joeyghostx]

@@KatemisMoon It will have Immersed? Well, that will definitely improve the use cases for me.

[@slamkam07]

​@@joeyghostxyou will not be able to make your money back in any way shape or form BECAUSE of the AVP. Just stick to what you use now.

[@Leonard_MT]

Do have to ask, do you use Hololens or something else?

[@afiguerog]

Is made for people who don’t know about Hardware and just need apple to decide for them. And for people who status is important

[@deejnutz2068]

The quest 3 thanks to apps like immersed and virtual desktop is auch better productivity device if youre using multiple monitors.

[@KatemisMoon]

They just announce is coming for Vision Pro! I have a Quest too but legibility is not near as useable as AVP.

[@slamkam07]

​@@KatemisMoonwhat are you, blind? The Q3s legibility is incredible.

[@TacticalTypos]

I got to try a Q3 for the first time *after* the AVP, and I was surprised that the Q3 quality was pretty good, but "incredible" feels like a stretch. But the AVP might've set too high of a bar for me.

[@deejnutz2068]

@@KatemisMoon it's good enough but definitely not as high as I want. I look forward to the next generation.

[@quantuminfinity4260]

@@slamkam07 The Quest 3 is absolutely incredible, but it doesn't cross the threshold as something I would use for that kind of productivity daily. Vision Pro isn't even quite there yet for me. People have different preferences for what they want in a device and what they will trade off, price, hardware, software, ect. There isn't a wrong answer for everyone, that is only a call you can make personally. All they did was express their feelings from their experience and that can't be invalid because it is entirely subjective and certainly doesn't make them blind.

[@The-Rest-of-Us]

The punch line is that the Vision Pro isn’t even competing with the Quest3. Meta will most certainly sell *more* units bc of the Vision Pro, bc it’s popularizing VR. Just like after the Apple Watch launched, analogue watch sales actually went *up*. So whatever side you’re on, if you like VR in general you should be thrilled about the Vision Pro existing. And Zuck knows this, he’s no dummy.

[@BBROPHOTO]

I honestly think Mark's review was actually pretty solid - especially considering he's the CEO haha. I'm a Vive owner and a Mac user (so VR user but in the Apple camp who also uses Windows) - I think the overall better system will be the Quest 3. It's more accessible and more usable for more people, so therefore (imho) the better overall product. Regardless, some of the hugely big productivity opportunities of Mac connected to Vision Pro are great, but a really niche use case. As a Mac user, I personally wouldn't use one this way even though I'm the target market.

[@PrograError]

IMO apple did not go out to do VR, more like they go for the AR with a VR possiblity... Where most VR devices are VR first...

[@Lucifer-fj7mg]

I mean, all things considered, AVP is a newly released product. It’s not even fair to compare these two 😂. It’s just funny how people compare apps and game of a brand new product line to years old product line…

[@I_mnotVlad]

​@@Lucifer-fj7mg Right, but it's the product we have to use it, so it's fair to compare

[@k.vn.k]

Have you ever envisioned that one day Tim Cook as an Apple CEO will diss Meta Quest? 😅no? Neither do I? Some people are too classy for that.

[@evancrazyerror]

To me it just didn’t sound confident. Obviously they’re confident in their product, but if they felt like they had to make this video to change the narrative about the quest 3 instead of running an ad campaign or something more subtle, then I can clearly see they’re probably running around reworking so much about the Quest because there’s just stuff Apple got right that they didn’t think of. Which is why competition is good and causes innovation! But the “market leader” doesn’t come out and talk about how good their product is compared to a new product that’s just not in the same price range. If it was so cut and dry, he wouldn’t have needed to make the video in the first place. I don’t see Tim Cook coming out and talking about the Galaxy Z Fold or Lisa Su talking about the 4080 Super, it just screams desperation.

[@tapetwo7115]

The people who got first gen Apple Vision Pro are because they are a fan of Apple, Tim Cook, and/or the Steve Jobs legacy. People who buy and own a Meta Quest anything, could care less about Mark or the company, that's how solid of a product the Quest series is, whether it was Mark or someone people actually like, the Quest continues to win. People who straight up hate the CEO of Meta, will use a Meta Quest. That's how much better it is as a product and value.

[@JasonLefevers]

Who was the Vision Pro made for? I’ve not seen or heard a compelling use-case for this device yet.

[@anaguma90]

VR headsets in general are a solution in search of a problem (gaming aside)

[@JasonLefevers]

Yup, like 3D TVs.

[@oskarwallin8715]

I use a quest 3 to do dev work on my laptop when travelling. It's quite nice to have multiple good sized monitors everywhere you are. Also watching movies and such when not at home with my spouse (travelling in business) I can imagine developers or creatives in the apple universe using the vision pro for similar things.

[@yourvenparianen5390]

It's a over expensive piece of junk for apple sheep

[@oskarwallin8715]

@@yourvenparianen5390 expensive doesn't make it a price of junk. It's overpriced for what it is and for anyone else than people in the IOS world. It's a few very specific usecases where it's pretty amazing.

[@Hirens.]

The reason why you can't zoom in more on photos on the iPhone is because the iPhone takes HEIF pictures not JPEG and they have a bug/limitation on the gallery app that's linked to the file type. Meaning you can't zoom too much on HEIF pictures specifically because of an in app limitation. There are ways to solve this but Apple didn't bother fixing it. I had those same issues with HEIF pictures on Android while I was using third party photo gallery apps but those issues were fixed very fast after I've emailed the app developers.

[@IEA_455]

I’ve been able to zoom in way father on my iPhone then on my Samsung you’re all smoking crack. Makes no difference the format just goes to show you don’t use an iPhone. Linus is just wrong and this was a thing many many years ago. Makes me mad someone whose supposed to be tech savvy can’t even tell the truth

[@e4iojk]

It's still an issue Apple chooses not to fix

[@Hirens.]

@@e4iojk Totally agreed. I was just offering some context.

[@yugimotobutjacked3231]

dont buy apple, use your brain

[@IEA_455]

@@e4iojk you’re all dolts. I own both Samsung S23U and I can zoom in way farther on my iPhone then my Samsung no matter the format. That’s a fact. You guys and Linus obviously do not use iPhones or you would know this

[@Cakebattered]

VR is the closest thing we have to Star Trek's Holodeck, yet I've never heard anyone describe the Holodeck as "An amazing place to get work done in".

[@just-a-waffle]

It's a "better product" because it has existing use cases. The Apple Vision Pro has no use cases, it's just a "gadget" that could be useful someday... maybe.

[@KatemisMoon]

Just very narrow use case. I use mine 8 hours a day since launch.

[@PEZ1514]

Won't be can't be. Hololens already secured that market which is narrow and has the correctly designed hardware.

[@patant178]

For the use cases there are for AVP the quest 3 can do them pretty solidly. Viewing models in AR, 3D recordings, virtual desktops, virtual calls/meetups, and content viewing. Not saying AVP won't succeed, but right now Q3 is definitely the better all around product. It just doesn't get the same hype and attention since it's not produced by the fruit company.

[@smile4cs]

@@KatemisMoon what do you use it for?

[@acslater017]

If it’s not for you, that’s perfectly understandable. But to claim there is “no use case” is just crazy. iCloud, Files, Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Pages, Keynote, Numbers, FaceTime, SharePlay, Zoom, Teams, WebEx, Safari, keychain, Notes, Freeform, Photos, AppleTV, Apple Music. And, holdouts notwithstanding if there isn’t a visionOS optimized app you can fall back onto iOS which literally has 1 million apps. Among other things my AVP runs AirBNB, ESPN, Kaiser Permanente, Molekule, Fandango, News, Plex, Prime Video, Overcast, Signal, Shortcuts, Tesla, Speedtest, Voice Memos, X, you get the idea - the same apps and use cases people have been using iOS for for 15 years. (But now you can run them all full screen 1-10 feet tall each, in Yosemite Valley.) Set up an infinitely flexible mixed reality workspace with floating 2D apps, in your real space or in a nature environment conducive to focus. Watch movies (2D, 3D, Immersive 180) and feel like you have your own drive through theater or IMAX. View photos and spatial videos at art gallery size. Listen to spatial music without headphones. Do a gaming VR workout. Meditate in the virtual forest. Cook dinner with the recipe, timers, and instructional video floating in your kitchen. I’m not arguing that all of these are exclusive to AVP, just that AVP does have *many* use cases. Personally I’m loving mine. I understand it’s not for everyone, especially this 1st gen. But say it has no use cases is a failure of imagination.

[@cactusmanbwl1990]

can someone explain to me what "work" people are doing on buses and coffee shops with this thing? Is it all just teleconferencing?

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

Whatever they were already doing on their macbooks. It's nice to have a larger eye level display, but that's really it. Not worth the money

[@nihilriv3r]

I'm unsure if it's true but I read somewhere that the hand tracking is done at a lower refresh rate than the rest of the headset, causing gaming to be plain bad.

[@Curiousinternetperaon]

The hand tracking isn't for gaming, it's for taps, and vision pro is apparently way better at that. Each has its purpose and does it well, Zuck is playing with words. Kinda lost respect for him ngl.

[@Snoozy96]

@@Curiousinternetperaon i wouldnt say WAY better, this is a software problem, and until this point, there has not been a significant UI/UX update for quest 3, which has been in the pipel;ine for months now. this new update is coming soon, and it promises to fix every issue with UI/UX.

[@wta1518]

@@Curiousinternetperaon Gaming is literally the primary use of VR. Nice try, but your shepherd's calling you back.

[@Curiousinternetperaon]

@wta1518 "gaming is the primary use of vr"... You pretty much just ruined any credibility you have. I hate to break it to you, but the MAJORITY of people don't play video games. Yeah I know it's crazy not everyone lives on your little bubble. Also not sure what you mean by shepherd, probably some coping mechanism used by emotionally hurt individuals who cannot accept other people get to make a choice different to theirs.

[@maweitao]

@@Curiousinternetperaon Your argument is flawed because the majority of VR users do play games. 76% in case you were wondering. Without gaming the Vision Pro is little more than a curiosity because it's going to take at least another generation for it to actually be viable for anything else.

[@hellovagim]

How can you judge if you haven’t use the quest 3 before at all

[@jss4837]

I was about to comment this as well. Linus has but the other guy says he hasn’t. At least he said so, but its still so silly and lazy to report on a something that you can hardly relate to. I know these guys are super busy but they could both so easily get access to a Quest 3 to try it before reporting on it.

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

He's likely going off of Quest 2 use. Which tbf was god awful compared to quest 3 in just standalone use.

[@thanos879]

You’re wrong for that thumbnail 😂

[@nanoscapehd6179]

Apple Vision Pro is not a gaming headset. It’s a lifestyle “add-on”

[@robotwo]

I was on board with everything until Linus dropped the bomb at 16:05

[@Derek_Read]

Why emulate a screen inside a VR headset and force apps to render inside it? Why not let each app be displayed in its own separate "window"? Must have been easier to code it up this way I guess. Some people might want to tile them on the same plane (or spherical plane), snap them, etc, but if you already have infinite virtual space to place them in why force them all into the same little window as the only option?

[@keit99]

Because Windows managing is not Apple's forte

[@fozzylozzy1131]

The Apple vision pro will have controllers eventually, but they will be released as an accessory for $2000 per controller

[@乂]

The beard is about to become part of the brand image with all the hate 😂

[@nonamemcnobody2119]

Apples biggest hurdle wont be the Quest 3, its creating a product that is a better investment to its demographic (Developers, people who work on the go, etc) than just investing in a laptop and a PC with a couple monitors.

[@yourvenparianen5390]

It's demographic are sheep that buy anything and everything..so yeah it'll sell

[@scarthy]

the "niche of people" point Luke makes is something i feel a lot of people would strongly disagree with, like myself. As far as i understand it, theres absolutely nothing that the Vision Pro can do that the Quest 3 cant (except maybe better hand and location tracking, better screen, and one or two apps that practically no one would actually make use of), and that niche of people are mostly just going to be Apple diehards thinking they're investing in the future- which sure, they might be, but they're kind of late to the party considering other companies before Apple have been paving the path for years. I think Mark's review, although possible biased considering theres some competition to be had between his product and Apples, is extremely solid with some absolutely fantastic points, the biggest and most notable being the optional controllers, MUCH cheaper price, and much lighter weight, which is made even greater by the fact that the Quest 3 doesnt need a huge external battery while also lasting a slight amount longer on a full charge doing activities similar to the Vision Pro, and a similar 2 hours on actual gameplay load (which the vision pro isn't even capable of). Not to mention that the Quest 3 can do normal standalone VR too, and PCVR with a Link cable or wirelessly through wifi.

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

Owning a decent PC in general invalidates the Vision Pro completey. Quest 3 all the way

[@rfitzgerald2004]

I see the Vision Pro is aimed at a different audience and not necessarily a real competitor against the Quest. I'm a stalwart Apple hater, but I have to say I do think the Vision Pro looks great and has a lot of awesome capabilities, but it feels like it's solely targeted towards a professional/productivity audience and not at all towards gaming, this is also reflected in the price. To some extent I wonder whether it's intentionally priced high to discourage the wrong audience from buying it and being disappointed

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

It's basically following the same rules as the quest pro did. "Premium dev kit for enterprise, that regular people can also buy if they want". Realistically everyone should despise this product just like the QP, but Apple and Disney levels of money can surgically remove bias somehow...

[@ayotunde_]

Not me zooming in on a picture on my iPhone 😂😂😂

[@kisekihikari8459]

0:30 I like his short cut more, it’s more iconic

[@wyllypys940]

Why are people so defensive of the apple vision pro is way more expensive than any other vr headset in the consumer market. If not for games whats it for i would hate to be forced to work on this every day that sounds like a recipe for a head ache. Its features are very limited and its price tag is too premium. I get people waisting money on it if they have moeny to waiste and are an apple fan boy and have to have every other product but why would a normal person buy this who is this made for? It seems so purposeless to me. If its for media consumption spend 3,000 dollars on an amazing tv thats huge and doesnt give you a head ache and more than one person can use it. I have an ipad air because its a good product and i got it at a good price i dont hate apple but this is a dumb product that doesnt do anything new.

[@Mezmarr]

Linus is the pinnacle Extroverted Introvert

[@jayman94fly]

Mark definitely upgraded his human software for this video.

[@TilloWasTaken]

He's evolving

[@Amin_2k]

5:00 just tested it out, you can zoom in very far…

[@matt.stevick]

Zucc was counted out on Wall Street (my profession) 2 years ago and Zuccc said, “not so fast”. He’s been in beast mode these days, absolutely incredible 👏🏻.

[@devin_leary]

Never forget that with it took a year for the iPhone to get the App Store and all the apps. I think this product resembles the original iPhone release so much the more you look into it.

[@justinsanity501]

Only at the 9 minute mark rn but one thing youve failed to consider is the absurd price difference between the two. This is an important distinction when considering best product overall. A 7x cost difference.

[@NicRankin]

Does the vision pro need to have 'two desktops' or could it just show two (or more) desktop app windows without the 'desktop'? Maybe desktop app projection is what it needs instead of just the desktops themselves.

[@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel]

Put the Vison Pro screens into to Quest and there is noreason to buy the vision at all.

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

1. Meta used vision pro hype to move even more quest units 2. Quest have been around for several years now, with a big UI update on the way this year 3. Apple built an all-exclusive dev kit, because they are terrified of a device that can replace everything they already make, hence the $4000 price tag.

[@morkzorckerborg5000]

im mutual friends with zucc, his buddy told me zucc was in a vr prawn black hole for a few weeks

[@Omeedster]

I’d imagine if the Quest 3 was designed not for gaming but more so for office use, we would have very similar products but at extraordinarily different prices. The best takeaway imo is that the Quest 3, which is fully capable of playing VR games at high fidelity (meeting the hardware standards of the gaming industry), for 10% of the price of the Vision Pro, whereas the Vision Pro HEAVILY focuses on their tracking and pass through for use cases in office work and entertainment at an absurdly high price

[@wta1518]

16:10 Get the crowbars

[@Necropheliac]

I liked mark’s look better when he was cosplaying as a Romulan from Star Trek. It’s a shame that he founded Facebook because if he hadn’t, he would have made a very good accountant for someone.

[@RoyalReptilePirates]

I think it would be a pretty cool device to have while working from home or if you had some desk job, I think it could lessen time having to pick up your phone, etc. Just my 2 cents. But out in public with the battery pack and stuff is a bit much to be able to daily drive easy.

[@Mermedon24]

Wow Linus so good at bleeping himself.

[@ThomasBaroody]

Only people with "Fuck you" money are gonna drop $3500 on a headset. It's insane to argue that a vision pro is a better value in any sense right now.

[@wing0zero]

Yeah I only have "Piss Off" money

[@sippycuppp]

yeah vision pro is definitely not better value. it for sure shows the peak of technology rn for what can be put in a headset. AVP is more for productivity and intuitiveness, and Quest is for gaming. their hardware shine better for what they’re made for.

[@ThomasBaroody]

Agreed, The technology is amazing, but making the argument of it being a better value comes off a little tone deaf by the LTT dude@@sippycuppp

[@MattIsBored322]

If you wanna do some exercise while playing vr games try buying some wrist weights, I've been playing more laidback vr shooters (like into the radius) with 4 pound weights on my arms and have noticed a difference in strength/endurance in my arms

[@metax73]

Dismissing a negative review because the reviewer is not the target audience is dangerous because it can be applied to anything. Any time anyone says they don't like a product, it's not longer about holding the company responsible for making a bad product, its now that the product wasn't made for them.

[@neociber24]

That's a fair critique but I think what makes the Vision Pro good is the integration with the Apple ecosystem. Although not sure if consider that really a strong point, because on isolation isn't a great product.

[@Jamo12]

They did fix the iPhone zooming into photos thing back in iOS 14. You can zoom in way more than you would ever need to.

[@johnolin]

Depends on what you want VR/AR for. Productivity and content consumption (movies, videos, photos) then the Vision Pro. Gaming then the quest.

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

Nah, Apple vision if you're a productive that's heavily invested in Apple tech already. Quest 3 for everyone and everything else. Apple made a dev kit that they allowed consumers to buy.

[@johnolin]

@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 the Apple vision is better for content consumption overall - the dual screens offer deeper blacks, high DPI/high resolution, etc., attributes that make content consumption more enjoyable

[@P1ll_K]

Eh, turn on put on quest 3, open virtual desktop, start steam vr, start game. Kinda extensive to get into VR, but honestly not as bad as it could be.

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

Definitely not as bad as it used to be. When I first set up my rift s that was a god damn nightmare when it came to trouble shooting. Even a Quest 3 in stand-alone is passable for me when it comes to games.

[@kohakkanuva3224]

Oh god. I'm actually getting used to beardless Linus again

[@jaimeaguirre4424]

What happens when the quest 4 comes out with same or better resolution, then what is the argument of buying a vision pro?

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

The same argument as before. "If you're an Apple fanboy/girl that already surrounds themselves with apple tech".

[@Ni5ei]

Thank God old Linus is back. Finally not looking like a homeless person anymore!

[@MobileDecay]

😂😂😂

[@goxy287]

def a hassle to even put on a vr headset as linus said but it helps when its ergonomics are actually comfortable so actually having it on for long isnt

[@Chaotic_H3LL]

8:19 Luke, buddy, you do realise that, by "super made for them" is the same as "they are super sucked into the Apple Eco-System" if you do not own anything else Apple. The product just sucks. For you to actually, legitimately, find the product useful in day to day life and nothing more then just a very expensive gimmick, you have to be someone who owns an Iphone, who owns a Macbook or 3. Who owns an Ipad etc

[@PrinceAlberts]

0:39 Is this why Linus’ hair is so long in the front?

[@douglasrobitaille7122]

Linus is right. I love VR, but some days I need to bring "serious intent" to hop into VR.

[@izakshuvo8434]

#REQUEST I am guessing MAC-OS doesn't have a driveing simulators that would go wirelessly to the vision pro?

[@Alejandro_Arellano]

I get were Luke is coming from here but for productivity it's not a great headset yet either. Immersed Visor and future headsets like it are better suited for that since they are purpose built for productivity and work ergonomics; and, Quest is the better game and workout headset. So where does that leave the Vision Pro?

[@NithinJune]

you can side load steamvr onto the vision pro

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

Yes, and you get to refresh that sideload constantly as part of apples walled garden bullshit. $4000 to play steam VR on a severely inferior headset, lol

[@FakeDeath_]

Imagine spending 4k and then extra 1k on controllers in few months lol

[@kherve4255]

Price is all I need to hear

[@jourdanfarmer]

How is Linus taking a whole stance on a video he won’t even take the time to watch. MKBHD watched the whole damn thing

[@thatgamingbrit]

I agree having 2 desktop screens in the vision pro would move it from useless for my use case to viable. 3 screens would be better as even with the option of 5 screen on immersed i rarely use more than 3 and that 3rd screen frequently is just a chat app or browser which i can run in a native or mobile version on the vision pro instead. And it was made for my use case as far as i can tell, to use it for working in AR while not having multiple large displays in my immediate vicinity such as at a hotel. I still dont get why they wont allow it run MacOS apps when it has the same M series chip as their laptops. Removing the need for the laptop to work in the headset would be amazing for me and fully justify its price.

[@smile4cs]

i just, dont see the point the vision pro. i saw someone say they'd use it to watch movies in bed, why not get a tv for cheaper? if you want to watch stuff on the go, why not use the phone you already have? i guess you could use it as a second screen for laptops on the go, but you're paying $4000 to not have to alt tab?

[@SocksAndPuppets]

The vision pro at least has the advantage of not needing me to make a facebook account.

[@Jorthan99]

I like how linus was just talking about zuks hair and at 2:14, linus' hair changes. 😂 Linus is bald and we never new it 😮😢

[@TB-Glove]

I don't want to give all that data to Apple OR Zuckpuppy. The only place they can't go is inside your head,.. until you put one of these things ON your head. The eyes are their window to control.

[@DerivitivFilms]

It appeals to people who want a status item and not a proper vr/ar headset.

[@Curiousinternetperaon]

That's a dumb generalization. I bought one, and it was because it was very immersive and the Quest 3 was comparatively pixelated, I bought it for a specific job and it does it very well. If you're gonna make a dumb generalization like that then I'll equally say Quest appeals to poor people and peasants who say what you say for cope (which is a stupid assumption but that's how fanboys on either sides sound)

[@Uryendel]

@@Curiousinternetperaonwhat is the specific job? (also btw, the quest is not the only vr headset on the market, nor the best)

[@Curiousinternetperaon]

@Uryendel high resolution 3d video, watching HIGH quality movies while I'm laying in bed, ultra immersive video capturing and watching, an independent workstation on the go. They all have one thing in common: high fidelity displays and better processing power + integration with ipad ecosystem (I use android but the ipad ecosystem gives access to productivity apps). I wish people would just accept other people care about different things.

[@Uryendel]

@@Curiousinternetperaon no you don't care about different thing, don't worry other people watch vr pr0n, you're not alone, nothing you said is exclusive to the apple vision pro, I would even said it's pretty basic feature that any vr headset has. What I see is someone trying to lie to itself on why they spent 3500 USD on a very limited headset and would stop using it in 1 month, while regurgitating all the bs marketing point (no, it doesn't have a better display than an high end vr headset, noso-called productivity app are not limited to apple, no it's not a processing monster it's a web browsing device)

[@bujin5455]

2:18. I have a LOT of VR headsets, including the MQ3, and the AVP is the only headset I've ever wanted to put on everyday. Different strokes for different folks?

[@lordmorpheus7281]

for what reasons though, the resolutions? Cause the comfort is just awful for when I tried it, compared to Q3

[@bujin5455]

​@rpheus7281 This is going to be long, so I apologize, but I can't answer your question in a sound bite. One, I 100% solved the comfort issue, by adapting the BoboVR head strap to AVP, I can wear it for hours now, and forget it's there. Two, most of the things I want to do in "VR," I don't want controllers involved, like, at all. Controllers are in the way, you can't easily put them down, so you end up holding them the entire time, and it makes it difficult to interact with other objects, or just to be comfortable. I think the MQ3 is a great playstation, and a bad computer. I think the AVP is a much better computer, and that's what I'm after. Three, despite the Zuck saying the MQ3's hand tracking is just as good, it's really a terrible way to try to get anything done in the MQ3. It takes more work to use, and you get false activations on a moment by moment basis. Whereas with the AVP I almost never get a false activation, and the false activations I do get are usually less annoying than the ones I get in MQ3. Also, MQ3 with just hand tracking is far less powerful than the AVP's eye WITH hand tracking. Four, MQ3 has around 500 titles, as per Meta's own marketing. The AVP has over a million. Now, if you want to play games (which I largely don't), the MQ3 has more games, with a richer experience in general. But that brings us back to the MQ3 being a game system, which I almost never touch any of my game systems. The AVP on the other hand has ALL of my bank apps (the MQ3 does not), it has ebook readers (the MQ3 does not), it has comic readers (which the MQ3 does not), it has a properly functioning version of Plex (which the MQ3 really doesn't), not to mention a number of other productivity tools (Office, Note taking, etc), and communication tools (such as Teams), and the screens are good enough to use all of this stuff. Like I know these aren't "VR experiences" but in terms of using the AVP as an actual computing device, you either have the software you want to use, or you don't. I can do more things without having to take off the headset with the AVP than with the MQ3. Five, the AVP multitasks like a Mac, and the MQ3 doesn't really multitasks (it only kinda sorta pretends to). This is super useful because I can be enjoying my own space, doing whatever I want in that space, feeling like I'm somewhere else (which is a great feeling to have, but I don't have to drive or fly to accomplish it), and I can easily monitor the rest of my digital life while I'm doing whatever else I want to be doing, where ever I want to be doing it. Of course, this isn't much of a problem for the MQ3, because it really lack the sort of connectivity you might want anyway, because again, it only has about 500 apps, and most of those are games. Six, AVP's passthrough (PT) is miles and miles better than the MQ3's, and videos on YT doesn't really convey this. The MQ3's PT has huge breathing bubble distortions anytime it gets confused, which happens a LOT anytime you're moving at all, and these distortions are disorienting and nauseating. Not only that, the MQ3 has no flicker control, so while undulating bubbles ripple through your vision, you get to enjoy every LED light and monitor in sight flicker wildly, which is like the perfect cherry on top of the puke cake. Not only that, the perspective isn't perfect, things are not 100% where you think they are from the video feed. AVP on the other hand, though only marginally sharper, doesn't have geometric distortions, blocks out 99% of the flicker, and has perfect video object position mapping. I have thrown things into the garbage can across the room in the AVP, and I can't do that in the MQ3. All of this adds up to the AVP's PT, though not being perfect, being usable in a way the MQ3's simply isn't. This is important not just because of the interactions and applications truly working PT enables, but in the fact you don't have to take the headset off to interact with the world in a fluid and dynamic and COMFORTABLE sort of way. Seven, fidelity really does matter. Things in the AVP look real in a way they simply don't in other headsets, and things sound REAL too. The displays truly are impressive, and is a BIG part of the "magic" of AVP, but the audio is pure witchcraft. I've heard good audio in other headsets (the Index comes to mind), but Apple's ability to position the sound so that it absolutely 100% sounds like it's coming from anywhere in the 3D volume around you (above, below, in front, behind, and anywhere in between with laser clarity and exactness) is utterly unmatched. Not only that, but their ability to make that sound dynamically interact with your environment is mind blowing. You combine both the superlative visuals and the ultra real audio, and it brings us to the eighth point. Eight, presences. Apple has nailed this in a way no other VR solution has. Instead of projecting rendered avatars of your hands into the VR space, Apple actually rotoscopes your real hands into the scene. This small detail has a profound psychological effect, when you're sitting in Avengers HQ, watching a film over the NYC skyline, and you casually look down, and see your own REAL hands, there in the space with you, it's not the normal sort of VR suspended disbelief "presence" that VR normally provides. It's more like you're really truly there. Especially when coupled with the fidelity of the headset. Both in terms of the video but also, and JUST AS MUCH, the quality of Apple's spatial audio. You really do feel like you've been transported to another place, and this feeling is so real, that when I take the headset off, I get that feeling I get when I return home from a trip somewhere. So on like a deep psychological level, it delivers on that "traveling" experience. Which people pay SERIOUS money to do, and the AVP delivers it on demand, with no hassles of actual travel, for a fraction of the cost. Nine, it's like you have your own private little world that is yours to do whatever you want with, and which you know no one else has access to. If you're going to have a virtual space that's yours, you'd like to be able to lock the door, like you would to your house. Apple's inclusion of using your eyes to unlock your device adds to the feeling of privacy and intimacy. You know that whatever you do in your headset belongs to you. Sure, you can achieve this by entering a security pin, but that's a hassle, and it removes you from the feeling of the device being an extension of your own imagination. So in conclusion, to answer your question of what do I do? Whatever I want to do in "another place." I get the freedom to be wherever I want to be, doing whatever I want to do, all the while Apple gives me low key super powers. I don't have to play a game like I have them, I'm just able to effortlessly recreate my space to my liking using my eyes and fingers. Where I can be wherever reading emails if I want, or looking at panos (which is amazing), or browsing the web, or whatever I want to be doing, and I'm not giving up anything to do it, I'm still as connected or unconnected as I wish to be. All of this delivered in a way where AVP doesn't make any demands of me. And this is only just the beginning. The experience is already so good I'm always looking forward to jumping back in, but it's only going to get better as OS updates come out, and new software is added.

[@bujin5455]

@@lordmorpheus7281 I had responded, but the great god of acceptable comments decided it wasn't going to allow it. So I guess I'll leave it to the imagination.

[@Snoozy96]

The things that the Apple Vision pro does, is something that is strickly locked behind software, which the quest 3 could easily switch and improve in terms of usability. The quest didn't really have a major update for software yet, which Meta has been talking about since 3 months ago - a large update coming soon. When this update drops, it might go well beyond apple or even match the UI and usability for a workspace, and on top of having better hardware for tracking , the quest will just straight up destroy it in essentially everything besides eye tracking or visuals on the screen.

[@powerhouse884]

LMAOO keep coping. Its their 3rd headset and still fall behind a NEW headset. Mark will do what he does best, steal software and ideas from everyone else while never improving upon them. At least Apple takes time to do something different with existing hardware.

[@wolfbad512]

@@powerhouse884 you are the one who are coping It's a headset that's 5 times the price and isn't 5 times better then a product that came out a few years ago

[@powerhouse884]

@@wolfbad512 It has better speaker, better resolution, better passthrough, better cinematic experience, better face time. EVERY single reviewer has said that it is better in every way thats NOT gaming related. The Quest can do similar stuff but with lower and worst quality in everything. They have said that the Quest is the best VALUE because you can do similar things for less money. That doesn’t mean the experience is better….. because is NOT… like every reviewer out there confirmed that is not. If you don’t care about having a better AR experience then stick to the cheap options. If you only care about GAMES then stick to the Quest cuz thats what is for.

[@wolfbad512]

@@powerhouse884 omg a device that is 5 times more expansive then the other device is better then it in certain ways who would've thought it's almost as if performance doesn't matter and isn't impressive when u have to make the product really expansive Are you going to make fun of apple phones if some company comes up with a 7k phone that is better then the iphone?

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

​@@powerhouse884what did they do differently exactly? I know they stole almost everything about the Varjo xr3 and stuffed ipad OS into it. Is that it? Is that the innovation that sells me a $4000 headset? Abso-fucking-lutely not. Apple lied and called it a macbook for your face and then marketed it for "watching disney+ and Apple TV+, and screen casting a macbook" 🤤

[@jalengonel]

I’d always known Linus without the beard from the og days. Funny how everyone prefers him with it I always saw him as clean shaven naturally

[@simonleferink1248]

Love the “The Room” reference

[@TheKnutselaar]

Being biased does not automatically invalidates arguments

[@charliec8029]

Who's it built for? I don't really understand what you're meant to do on a vision pro

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

It's a device for developers. Apple has nothing worthwhile in XR software that the quest product line wasn't already capable of. Regular consumer is get ipad functionality and high resolution solo movie viewing.

[@Niks.Camera]

The AVP is perfect for the people who would want a MacBook Pro over a gaming PC. It would be nice if anyone ever said “this is from the perspective of a gamer”.

[@gonzalezm244]

It’s a better product because it has more mature applications, give the vision pro a couple of years and we will see which product is better

[@mememe37]

The issue is that AVP was made for basically no one other than youtubers and other online content creators, there's no real professional use for it.

[@scytob]

Linus. If it was reall uncomfortable your 21W was probably the wrong lightseal. I needed to try 7 before I found the one that made it super comfortable. It recommended me a 25W I ended up with 13W.

[@greatkingkeenan]

Meta definitely has an advantage now, though. After releasing their Quest Pro and Quest 3. As well as reviewing the good and bad things on the competing Vision Pro. They're most likely setting up for the release of a REALLY nice product.

[@jaspermauriceoenema3624]

Heej, controversial opinion here: I've used Meta's headset and I find it not good, in any way shape or form. Not to defend Apple, but the only disadvantage that it might have is not having a controller, besides your hand or eyes. I've used it the Apple Vision Pro in the USA and it was just so much faster and better to use. It does have some things to change, like Linus says, but I think it going to do good in the future.

[@holycaketree]

I am still wondering who the vision pro is for.

[@jjchilidogs1990]

It’s meant for app developers

[@Saturn2888]

Since I had kids, the only time I spend in VR is for the novelty of letting them play. I don't like the lack if co-op.

[@johnsherby9130]

The quest 3 is just plain impressive to me. It’s not as good as a Vision Pro at a lot of things but I can’t believe the amount of “it’s a slightly better quest 2” type of reviews I see. In my mind it’s a WORLD of difference. The pass through is really impressive, the hand tracking is amazingly precise, the screens are super sharp, it’s pretty light, the head strap sucks but hey we can fix that. I freaking love mine and I couldn’t believe how much I hated the quest 2 when I used my buddies for a bit after getting used to the 3.

[@cola98765]

Watching movies in VR has it's appeal even with some older headsets (original vive here), tho personally large aspect of it is doing it with friends in VRC.

[@ImARealHumanPerson]

Speaking of "unbiased reviews".. Remember your recent controversy? 😅

[@ludovitolejar3589]

I think its same, as Windows vs Mac. Quest vs Vision Pro. Windows/Quest = best for gaming, good for productivity, great for entertaiment. Mac/Vision Pro = best for productivity, okay for gaming, great for entertaiment. Overall Windows is no brainer, but if you are only working, not gaming, Mac is way to go. I personally use Mac for my work, and I would have never switch back to Windows. But at home, always on Windows, gaming, watching movies/streams etc. Also I own Quest 3, and always gaming on it, casually watching movie/youtube and working out. Tried productivity with 3 virtual monitors, and its frustrating to look at the virtual monitors and not physical in front of me lol.

[@aresargento4281]

Apple is probably going to add/sell the controllers separately to get more money 😂💀

[@isocuda]

What's hilarious to me is that people get mad at The Zuck for his take when we're talking about a $3000 DELTA/ROI like he would be insane to not praise or acknowledge what the AVP does right. Not to mention the $3500 price putting it into Hololens/Varo level. That all said, I'm glad Apple entered the market. Which they should have done a long time ago.

[@iowawalker]

Why would you be glad that Apple entered a market their users have no real interest in? Apple is/was never about gaming. They're trying things with the ARM SDK now, but it will take them time until they can be considered a decent gaming product. What they like to do, though, is to sell products as a business/productivity investment. And what happens when product becomes an investment? Price skyrockets. Just like real estate prices did when people started using them as investments. And as a result, we will see Meta, HTC and others try to incorporate productivity features into their former gaming headsets, which will drive the price even higher and shifting development focus onto more profitable business solutions. TL;DR: headsets will become more expensive, entertainment experience will see less innovations because of development focus shift, and VR will stagnate.

[@isocuda]

@@iowawalker I don't care about people who blindly follow Apple and eat up the marketing. What I care about is Apple's design language and engineering prowess being added into the segment. More competitors in an emerging and fast evolving niche is good for everyone, ultimately the consumer (ironically given how anti-consumer Apple is)

[@isocuda]

@@iowawalker Also, there's no such thing as "please don't develop in this space" being good. If your theory was sound the Toyota Corolla wouldn't exist.

[@iowawalker]

@@isocuda Apple's "design language and engineering prowess" most of the times comes with a very hefty premium. And that's not a good thing for an "emerging and fast evolving" niche, because it's just price-gating. Apple users don't care about that, as we already found out, but other people do. I don't think VR industry is mature enough to have a split into a business-focused (not enterprise) segment and entertainment-focused segment, and a result, it's gonna be "2-in-1" thing until it's mature enough and combining business and entertainment in one device is going to be expensive. Apple is the worst competitor to have, because if other brands have clientele, Apple has a cult. They can afford big mistakes.

[@isocuda]

@@iowawalker that's overthinking. Typically apple comes out with some already established industry feature and their normies act like they invented it. Besides that nonsense, their design language and actual innovations push things along. Again, the idea of another competitor somehow stunting the sector is illogical. We already have Hololens and Varo, etc. If anything, I expected better from Apple on this, but I'm not surprised it looks pretty and has shit ergonomics 😂. To sympathize with you, VR shifted towards standalone units (because having not needing a gaming PC was key to larger adoption) which FELT like it hurt the options (especially after the CV1 was so good). Then everyone shifted towards AR and more BS features. HMDs started getting bulkier or more compromised. Then poof, we get the Beyond which is basically a specialization. Ultra lightweight, direct tethered, not trying to be an everything device to market to the largest demographic. That's okay. The mass adoption of VR that was promised was never going to happen. Hell as a former mechanic I can tell you Hololens is NOWHERE near having their AR repair assistant figured out. Nobody likes putting a thing on their face and nobody likes something the works "most of the time" VR/AR is a LOT like vaporware venture capitalism, selling ideas and nonsense. Which unlike crypto, etc this sector actually has engineers trying all sorts of shit. The more the merrier.

[@NaudVanDalen]

Mark Zuckerberg: "Meta Quest 3 is better than the Apple Vision Pro regardless of the price." Nobody: *surprised Pikachu face*

[@kdc420421]

The quest 3 would 100 percent be the better product HANDS DOWN if it's passthrough were 20 percent better

[@CHIEF_420]

😎🧂

[@Skrenja]

Calling Half Life "tedious" is the most L take I've ever heard.

[@cantworkitout]

am i the only one who thinks the apple one is primarily for military special ops and is priced so high to make the US government spend more on them? Imagine having a device that responsive and able to display realtime locations of your comrades and enemy with detailed instruction and command and i'm pretty sure the apple one is perfect for it, and it's not like big tech companies haven't made shit for militaries in the past...

[@dancardin2087]

I could imagine it being useful if the m2 chip in it let it fully replace a macbook, which ultimately enabled having multiple screens by not needing to cast them

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

Yeah, instead, they decided AVP was just an iPad pro for your face. Needs a few years of XR software work and a like $1500 removed

[@TheStigification]

I didn’t buy the first iPhone either but I’m just glad Apple has begun the process of developing this platform. I’d prefer this to them releasing a better headset in two years and then still having the software being in the infant stage

[@yugimotobutjacked3231]

I highly doubt the working in it, and productivity thing. How is it better then mouse and kbm, or a drawing tablet, or anything else.