Is the music in the Thousand Year Door Remake any good? (OST Review/Analysis)

[@Hugonche29]

Little correction about the thinking themes you mention at 16:13 In the case of the partner themes, it switches to the thinking variation (with lowered main melody) during the tutorial part of the event, but idling during the non-tutorial cutscene will not change the music. For battle themes, it will only switch to the thinking variation if you enter a submenu and then don't attack right away (~5 seconds), as a way to dim the music to let you think about your next move. If you idle at the beginning of the turn without entering in a submenu, the battle theme will not fade into its thinking variation. And I would also say that it's amazing that the music calms down when you're panic-scrolling around the different options you have because you don't know what to do in a very tough battle.

[@Abeabonation]

Yeah, the "thinking" themes for the Partners are called "Primers" in the game's Sound Test, if memory serves.

[@HBMmaster]

welcome to Past Fred, where the tunes are turned up and the tiers don't matter!

[@TicTacToeCraft]

It's the guy who included Rogueport, The Ultimate Show and Dual-Bladed Duelist in his Mario medley!

[@BlueMarioGaming]

obligatory "how many songs are there actually in ttyd" comment

[@GKoopa]

Past Fred really complained about the tutorial battle theme being used for non-tutorials when they specifically named it Event Battle instead in the remake? What a blunder!

[@stickrocks]

past fred lived a good life… :(

[@Jakewebmaster8]

may fred rest in peace 😔

[@ThatHiddenCharacter2]

I really love how you leave bloopers in here and there, and the way you edit them. It really adds so much character to these videos.

[@MadJohn-w7e]

I saw over 2 and a half hours and got scared, then I saw part 1 and got intimidated

[@CakeKingYT]

Bro fr 😂 This series in its entirety bouta be 12 hours long lmao

[@lofigalaxy1272]

lockin in for that subway surfers gameplay

[@PipesReturns]

Gotta love how the video where you comment on "Inside The Castle Walls" being a weird name comes out the exact week where Nintendo changed the name officially through Nintendo Music lmao

[@bluerious5475]

is ttyd even in nintendo music

[@PipesReturns]

@@bluerious5475 No, I meant the original Super Mario 64 version was renamed.

[@avery-u1w]

That was a couple weeks ago

[@PipesReturns]

​@@avery-u1w Well no, it was last week That still means i'm wrong of course because I forgot which week they added Donkey Kong Country 3, but you're wrong too, since it wasn't "a couple"

[@avery-u1w]

@PipesReturns Actually just looked it up, it was added on Dec 23 so 3 weeks ago actually

[@procrobat]

Im absolutely obsessed with both versions OSTs, so this video is an absolute godsend that I will watch front to back with glee!

[@ReitheOffbeatOtaku]

Banger video, I’m already looking forward to part 2! It’s definitely interesting to hear your takes as someone who grew up with the original version of TTYD since while I did own it for a bit as a kid, I never even beat chapter 1, so the remake is my main exposure to TTYD since I actually beat it this time, lol. I’d say that I ultimately prefer the remake OST overall by a large margin partially because it’s what I’m more familiar with and because of how much more vibrant and full it sounds to me with the live instruments, but I can see where you’re generally coming from when you prefer a song from the original OST over the remake. I also appreciate the sheer thoroughness of this analysis as a whole. Even as someone who beat the remake first, it’s still sometimes surprising to see just how much new music they added, and I honestly didn’t realize the new leitmotif they really emphasized in the new soundtrack, so it’s fun to see just how prolific it is in the remake OST.

[@TicTacToeCraft]

The TTYD leitmotif isn't as "in-your-face" and prevalent as the Origami King leitmotif.

[@hgmd3284]

Nice for Nintendo to include a GameCube badge to listen to the original music alongside the newer ones

[@JoProGaming]

I'm so excited to watch this whole video! I have a lot of thoughts on here (mostly controversial) on the new soundtrack, so I'm excited to see a deep dive into it all.

[@SamRegan610]

1:57:15 I adore Grubba's theme, mostly because it features trombone as the lead instrument! There is trumpet in there, but trombone takes the lead here

[@SirEnobMort]

2:04:30 There's the TTYD Motif played by the trombone. It's not present in the original version, so this was added in the remake on purpose!

[@worthplayingfor2197]

Literally yesterday I wished there was a video about this OST

[@TicTacToeCraft]

54:20 That's what I thought. Even though Color Splash composer Fumihiro Isobe worked on the remake's OST, I was pretty sure that they are coincidentally similar, not by the intention of the composer. And I still hear no Origami King, Mr. YannickJur.

[@TicTacToeCraft]

55:11 I made it into the video!!! (somewhat) I'm almost completely certain that he was talking about the leitmotif from the TTYD remake and thought it originated in TOK instead of the original TTYD, where it actually appeared. That must be where the confusion comes from.

[@GameCatastrophe]

Some of the names you used are different than the in-game ones that I think are original to the Charisma Entertainer playlist, though I could be wrong. Also oh my gosh that subway surfers thing is so annoying, I was actually interested in what you were saying

[@UltraNintendoChalmers64]

I knew you’d finally release this video. I’m gonna watch it later, but thank you!!

[@NoahGreen]

I'm so happy to have such an in depth review/analysis of this soundtrack. Personally I saw so many people who just played with the original music on once they had the chance. Which, if you want to relive some old memories I get it, but generally it's sad to see because the new music offers so much to me. I really love it, pretty much all the problems I do have come down to some instruments they use and the loudness of them. Also to answer your question if anyone even wants to hear about the breakdown of the battle themes, hell yes. I absolutely loved hearing you talk about that stuff

[@StarBittys]

35:56 Missed a TTYD Motif in Petalburg! It appears the same way that it later does in Koops's theme, with the neighbor tone rather than the held first note. 54:43 Even better, it's not even the first time *Mario* has used that specific pattern, but you don't see people claiming that Color Splash's battle music is a reference to Delfino Plaza. People just want to connect whatever dots they can find, I guess. 1:09:13 I can't help but wonder if that specific arpeggio is meant to call forward to the X-Naut Base theme. Might be coincidence, might be foreshadowing, who knows? 1:27:43 I'll agree that the Great Tree isn't especially standout on its own, but it *does* do a massive part in conveying that the chapter is one big Pikmin homage. (Punies On The Move also really leans into the Pikmin vibes in a different way.) 2:11:19 This one specifically gave me the feeling like I was on an actual time limit, like the developers hid an actual timer in the code that would give you a Game Over if you weren't fast enough, like the time bomb in the chapter before. IIRC, the original GCN version just played Seven Wonders Of The Glitz Pit again, and the new track really helped freshen up the experience since I already knew what was going on. Like, it went from "huh??? what's going on???" to "oh god i remember this hurry hurry hurry" ...anyway, looking forward to Part 2!

[@solly5465]

Playing through thousand year door. First paper Mario game but I'm LOVING IT. Love the review, can't wait for part two!!

[@Robin_Glorb]

Fun fact: Goombella's theme has the main theme in it. It's in the background during the loop (listen for the tiny flute here 17:20)

[@iridescentgleam9649]

Literally cheered aloud when I saw this in my notifications lol Can't wait to watch!

[@trondordoesstuff]

The bit at 40:57 you count as the main theme also appears in the same variation in Petalburg. so you forgot 1 for the counter

[@boygame1955]

*I like the og Ms. Mowz theme better b/c it was less loud & more quiet. Like the theme of a thief should be. *Atomic Boo should of had a remix of Luigi's Mansion 1's theme. That boss is clearly based of off Boolossus from Luigi's Mansion.

[@LocalPlagueDoc]

Oh man, this is gonna take a WHILE to watch all the way through. But i'm a sucker for music analysis, so it's a win/win for me!

[@fourthstrongest]

jesus christ i wish i could talk about music like you. how do you do it :sob: this video is fantastic, thank you so much for making it!!! also stop apologizing for getting technical; i absolutely adore it

[@issamdin-o5e]

7:30 this song makes me cry 😭 because i want to see remake of PM64 i want to see my boi goombario again 😭

[@Totomeister]

Part 1?! Hoo boy, let's go

[@JoPopcorn94]

Hello future Fred, I would find it very cool if you did a origami king ost video❤

[@Somefox5]

Between doopliss' battle and vivians theme, chapter 4 is a very big contender for the chapter with the best music

[@LocalSillyRabbit]

I am hooked, I really wanna play this game now

[@TicTacToeCraft]

1:25:39 This is probably the most "sexual" tune I've heard in a video game, but tbf, I haven't played a Bayonetta game yet.

[@rontheauraknight9606]

To be fair Bayonetta gets that from its heavy sax.. and if that doesn’t do it the 1st (and 3rd) ends on an track called let’s dance boys where you get to watch Bayonetta and Jeanne dance sexily in front of you while another heavy sax jazz song plays

[@TicTacToeCraft]

@rontheauraknight9606 But does Bayonetta feature moaning in its music? I know there are some lyrical tracks in the series. However, is there something like in Madame Flurrie's theme?

[@rontheauraknight9606]

@@TicTacToeCraft that i do not know I only know its music from smash lol.

[@TicTacToeCraft]

@rontheauraknight9606 Well, same goes for me. Smash doesn't even have any lyrical tracks from Bayonetta as far as I'm aware, because they replaced the lead vocals from Mysterious Destiny and Tomorrow is Mine by a saxophone (I'm guessing it has to do with the copyright of the singing?).

[@newerboomerangmiaro7778]

I really can't wait for you to do the breakdown on the chapter 7 battle theme cause these are the instruments i think are in it; Synth Trumpet Electric/Synth Piano Kick Drum Drum Cymbal Piano Bass Guitar Violin Choir I wonder if I am right about any of these

[@newerboomerangmiaro7778]

Though now that I took a second listen to it, I also noticed Synth Bell too

[@TicTacToeCraft]

Not only the instrumentation, but also the scale is interesting (which future Fred will explore in depth in part 2). I asked Cadence Hira about the scale, and she said the track is written in composite minor, with mostly aeolian, some harmonic minor, some dorian, some phrygian mixed in.

[@Threevbee]

This is everything I always knew I always wanted.

[@BlueMarioGaming]

If Koops's theme has 100 fans, I'm one of them. If Koops's theme has 1 fan, I am that fan. If Koops's theme has 0 fans, I do not exist. *KOOPS'S THEME SUPREMACY!!!!!!!*

[@antonywu6672]

Hall of the Thousand Year Door (especially Ch 6 when you get the Garnet Star) is my #1 favorite song of TTYD! (Additionally after you get the Emerald Star, I think what’s added are a second set of bells and after the Gold Star, those are horns that are added)

[@PhantomV13]

I've similar feelings for Rogueport. I suppose the intensity is meant to be balanced by the existence of the shop variation, hence upping the intensity for the general area. I love that the arrangements are, to varying degrees, new takes rather than re-orchestrations etc, and having a fresh new feel. It's more creative and means the originals aren't just outclassed, but another version for Rogueport as you say, or for the Pit battles (like an 'underground' remix), would be perfect. The addition to the Magnus battle sounds piratey, which really fits the ship battle, so I wonder if that came first and became toned down for the robot fight.

[@cloud9979]

For the battle master theme, I’d argue there’s a small section leading into the loop that more closely echoes the Autumn Mountain theme’s looping section moreso than the main section itself.

[@homerun0508]

Something I say to new ttyd players is to keep the og music badge on for most of the game, but turn off right before chapter 4 and turn it back on right after chapter 5. Imo this is the best way to experience the good of the og soundtrack while still experiencing some of the best remixes the remake has to offer I’m glad you made this video honestly. I have so many opinions on the new soundtrack that it’s nice to hear someone’s thorough thoughts on it as well. Thank you for putting in the long time and hard work that went into making this!

[@davidkapow]

1:21:06 Fred has no chance of beating the bad at video games allegations after this fumble...

[@GyroSteambass]

Was waiting for this video heck yeah

[@MattTOB618]

11:14 "Rogueport's theme is one of the most iconic in the series, so this is an important one." Moments later: 11:57 "Not every song has to be a show-stopper. (...) This is the main hub, settle down a bit!" Like, I get your point, but the wording was just a bit funky. Also, as someone with no real nostalgic attachment to the original, I can say that the new theme is my preferred version.

[@MadJohn-w7e]

It's a great song, but in game it definitely feels a bit over the top, at least in my opinion

[@TicTacToeCraft]

I get your point, but a theme can be iconic and important without being overbearing. Good examples are Zelda's Lullaby from ALttP, Dire Dire Docks from SM64, Aquatic Ambience/Stickerbush Symphony, and C418's work in Minecraft. Also, he pointed out that thematically it doesn't make much sense for Rogueport's theme to be so triumphant and celebratory, especially upon arrival. Honestly, I expected a similar approach to TOK's Toad Town or Color Splash's overworld theme, where the music becomes progressively upbeat with each cleared chapter, but I guess Rogueport doesn't change as much as Toad Town, so it wouldn't make much sense.

[@MattTOB618]

The remake was my first time playing this game that I'd heard _so much_ praise for, and the Rogueport theme, to me, really set the mood for "Yup, they were right, this is gonna be amazing" _perfectly._ Like he said, this is one of the most iconic themes of the series, and an important one as well. It makes sense that they'd want to show right away that they can make a great rendition of the theme, and leave a good first impression to anyone going in with scepticism. Regardless, it wasn't the actual opinion I had an issue with; I get that it can be a bit over-the-top. I just found the wording to be somewhat funky. "This is an important theme" and "it's not _that_ big of a deal" seems kinda contradictory on the surface, which is what I was trying to point out with my comment. Granted, I also could've worded _my_ opinion better; we're all human, after all (well, he's a mole and I'm a Changeling, but still).

[@TicTacToeCraft]

@MattTOB618 I understand and respect your opinion that Rogueport in the remake is supposed to be a show-off to leave the player with a good first impression, but that doesn't change my opinion that it sounds too much like a Smash remix (moreso than the actual one) that thematically doesn't _really_ work with the setting your in. Then again, that doesn't change the fact that this rendition sounds great, tho.

[@BigbluaceG4]

Surprised you didn’t catch that the Wind Spirit theme has the same melody as Flurrie’s theme, since she is the wind spirit in question XP

[@WooperK]

can't wait for someone to make time stamps in the comments

[@EthanArcher-bm4lq]

Finally!!!! I’ve been waiting forever

[@flamingsword2548]

Can't wait for part 2

[@swanqil9130]

2:19:19 I actually found all of the chord progression analysis really interesting !! I thought it was super fun (you suck at subway surfers by the way)

[@bluerious5475]

Wrong timestamp?

[@ivanzoneBR]

I really do hear Super Paper Mario's leitmotif in Koops Theme

[@sleeby526]

This is a real super mario world fun 1 moment

[@ovite1240]

24:59 i'm pretty sure this part is based off the title theme of the game!

[@CakeKingYT]

Damn I’m gonna miss Past Fred. (Oh yeah I thought I was subbed after that one video I watched about the boss music rankings, but I guess not. However now I am!)

[@brianmoore4891]

hi! been liking your videos :> if you wouldnt mind could you consider reviewing a hat in time’s soundtrack? i really love it and my favorite songs are calm hour, subcon forest and killing two birds

[@happytm6877]

Loving the choice of using Miitopia music in your intro. It just sound so... Paper Mario-y.

[@TicTacToeCraft]

But, there isn't any Miitopia music in the intro? The first track that plays is "Grifty the Traveling Minstrel" from TTYD (Remake) and the second is Luigi's Theme from TTYD (Original). Or am I missing the joke that Luigi's Theme sounds like it's straight from Miitopia?

[@happytm6877]

@@TicTacToeCraft Oh, nah. I was just high and stupid. Mistook the 2nd track for a similar song in Miitopia lol.

[@TicTacToeCraft]

@happytm6877 Well, you got at least "Paper Mario-y" right.

[@gabemaurer6312]

I miss past fred

[@worthplayingfor2197]

I REALLY like Luigi's new theme

[@hatstick312]

ya forgot to rank chapters 3 and 4's battle themes with the others

[@TicTacToeCraft]

3 is his favorite so far and 4 maybe last?

[@MadJohn-w7e]

2:38:08 like, I'm no music guy myself, but I definitely disagree here. For me this fits perfectly. My headcanon for this song was always that the Boos themselves sing the music, similar to the Smorks in Chapter 6. For me it would be A, maybe S tier even

[@MusicJunkie37]

I mostly prefer the electronic-style in the original

[@Dergy]

1:13:16 wait actually lmao

[@TicTacToeCraft]

1:13:01 You forgot to put it into the tier list.

[@TicTacToeCraft]

I guess you got hypnotized by Wonky

[@Banigoat]

Hey

[@0_Pokio_0]

:0

[@supercoolsonic]

Wow, you have so many bad takes lmao

[@TicTacToeCraft]

For example?

[@TicTacToeCraft]

Also, why are you blaming future Fred? It's past Fred that had these "bad takes"!

[@AverageGamerEric17]

Hey