A "Culture Bomb" update from Winnipeg

In Ep 133, I reconnect with Erin Riediger, a Winnipeg, Manitoba-based architect and plain bicycle advocate, for a status update on the massive cultural shift underway since there has been a proliferation of old used Dutch bikes showing up on the streets of the city. It's a part of a master plan by the Plain Bicycle Project to drop a little "culture bomb" to make the city a little more livable and equitable. Erin, a previous guest on the Active Towns Podcast, produced her own fabulous podcast series simply called the Plain Bicycle Podcast, telling the fascinating story behind the Project and their ambitious goals.
Helpful Links (note that some may include affiliate links to help me support the channel):
- My first episode with Erin: www.activetowns.org/2021/01/2...
- Prairie Architects: www.prairiearchitects.ca/
- My episode with Mark W: • A chronicle of Mark Wa...
- Plain Bicycle Project: www.plainbicycle.org/
- Plain Bicycle Podcast: pod.link/1510268605
- Winnipeg Trails: www.winnipegtrails.ca/
- Peg City Car Co-op: www.pegcitycarcoop.ca/
- Curbing Traffic book by Melissa & Chris Bruntlett: amzn.to/3GPd2cN
Video timeline:
0:00:00 Cold Open - #streetsareforpeople
0:23:40 Episode Introduction
0:57:26 Start of episode
02:01:52 Erin's introduction
02:41:55 Plain Bicycle Podcast
08:30:22 Working at Prairie Architects
17:20:06 Peg City Car Co-op
19:23:17 Dutch bikes in Winnipeg
21:31:46 Dutch bike anatomy
36:04:40 Melissa and Chris Bruntlett quotes
40:33:56 Erin slapped by some dude on the street
43:49:16 Erin leads an architectural treasure hunt
51:30:22 Main Street comparisons
54:45:47 Erin's 15 min city
59:25:00 How do we get more people riding?
1:07:52 Episode close
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Hi Everyone! My name is John Simmerman, and I’m a health promotion and public health professional with over 30 years of experience. Over the years, my area of concentration has evolved into a specialization in how the built environment influences human behavior related to active living and especially active mobility.
Since 2010, I've been exploring, documenting, and profiling established, emerging, and aspiring Active Towns wherever they might be while striving to produce high-quality multimedia content to help inspire the creation of more safe and inviting, environments that promote a "Culture of Activity" for "All Ages & Abilities."
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[@garyharty1902]

Erin makes several great points during your conversation with you, John. One point that resonated with me is that she sometimes has to maybe technically bend the rules in order to feel and be safe on her bicycle. It illustrates that our infrastructure in North America has not always done a good job of providing for other modes of transportation, especially the sustainable kind. I'm with her. I wish the pace of progress for active transportation was a little faster, Austin not withstanding. Thanks, John and Erin for all this valuable food for thought. Cheers.

[@ActiveTowns]

You are quite welcome. And Y\yes, Gary, all good observations. Also, it's nice to see states such as Idaho and now Colorado, as well as others, recognizing that bikes are not cars and should not only have the appropriate infrastructure but also updates to the rules of the road. The new Colorado Safety Stop law is definitely a step in the right direction... and in Ep 134, next Wednesday, June 22nd, I'll be featuring a conversation with Bicycle Colorado representatives on this exact topic (and others). Cheers! John

[@garyharty1902]

@@ActiveTowns Perfect. That is one of the points I wanted to make. It is a step to help prevent right hooks and left crosses that plague cyclists, especially in situations where infrastructure doesn’t rise to best practices. I’m guessing either Piep Van Huevan or Pete Piccolo will be your guest. Jack Todd would also have been an articulate guest but he has moved to a position with the Secretary of State. I will be leading a neighborhood safety ride tomorrow and the Safety Stop will be one of our topics.

[@ActiveTowns]

@@garyharty1902 Piep and Aishwarya are my guests - it's a good one! Have fun on the ride.

[@vijaymalhotra9997]

Awesome conversation, thanks for hosting

[@ActiveTowns]

Thanks, Vijay! You are quite welcome. Cheers! John

[@pearlwade5315]

Former Amsterdammer, ever the Winnipegger. Love my new Omafiets.

[@ActiveTowns]

Yay! That's wonderful, Pearl. Thanks for watching. Cheers! John

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

We have tens of thousands abandoned bikes littered throughout our Dutch cities...Please take these orphans and give them a good home ;) .

[@ActiveTowns]

Yes, and I know there are programs there locally to get them refurbished and into the hands of people who need a bike. Thanks for watching this classic episode from last year. I always love catching up with Erin. Cheers! John

[@vincenzodigrande2070]

37:00 this effect I also experienced with going on a holiday by car, where I used to just focus on getting to my destination as fast as possible in order to not 'waste' any vacation time, and then drive for 16 hour straight till deep in to the night and feel jetlagged for a day or two. When we got kids that all changed and suddenly our trip was a three day trip where we would book at two destinations in between and that's where I discovered we were having so much fun already doing the trip. We would then arrive having already had loads of fun and not tired at all, ready to have a beer and relax. I say dress for the destination you're going, sure, but go there like you are already there.

[@ActiveTowns]

Love it! Great addition, Vincenzo. Cheers! John

[@highwaysbyways4281]

I wish Edmonton would have saved more of our early 20th century buildings. Winnipeg is fortunate to still have so much of the Exchange District intact.

[@ActiveTowns]

So many North American cities are now, much too late, wishing the same thing. Cheers! John

[@JeffBilkins]

21:31:46 Some feedback from a local: the ultimate daily practical bike is indeed a modern Omafiets model like in the picture, with the secondary front brake but also a five-speed hub with twist-handle (all internal cabling), and both front and back racks (both with elastic bands). This will get you anywhere any time. While you'd use the coaster break when riding because it is safer and easier to use gradually I do use the hand operated secondary front break a lot when manoeuvring the bike, like when (dis)mounting, parking, standing at traffic lights etc. It is just very convenient to be able stop the bike without feet on the pedals, and you can walk with the bike in hand more freely because of it (like in the underground bike parking where you are not allowed to ride it and have to do the pass checkin etc). We don't have many hills but the five speeds are convenient when dealing with wind or bridges and overpasses etc or just the good red asphalt where high gear can get pretty good speeds effortlessly even in Omabike posture. If you pay attention you can hear the clicks when a group of commuters launches and accelerates on a green light. (also: LPT: Urban Arrow's are everywhere now, get in on it (most with a mom or dad and a bunch of small kids (and a dog) and the schoolbags and daily shopping and everything you'd have in a urban car)

[@ActiveTowns]

Love it! Thanks so much. All very helpful and informative. Cheers! John

[@JeffBilkins]

@@ActiveTowns Thanks, my pleasure, it took a few edits to get it right. It is interesting to see how our things look from the outside at your end, and how channels like this are chasing the dream. (next challenge to that shared dream that is happening right now: high-speed e-bikes and rising popularity of recreative performance cycling which are a problem on the nice smooth safe high coverage red bike paths, because of the massive speed difference the can reach compared to regular cyclists... there is always something).

[@farkstein1213]

As always, thanks for the content

[@ActiveTowns]

You are quite welcome, Fark. Always a pleasure having you tune in. Cheers! John

[@bobbieboothroyd8531]

I think if people walked and cycled more people would feel safer in the street aspesaly at night when its dark. If you think about it when you ask someone why don't you go out at night theirs a high chance they will say because its lonely and dark but if you make the streets well lit and make the streets more pedestran and bike friendly then that would make people feel more safe. plus people would talk to each other more and get them fitter and the enveroment would benifit as well. Im not an expert but it dose make sence. I always enjoy these shows it always streches my mind and I often comment

[@ActiveTowns]

Fabulous observations, Bobbie! Thanks so much for watching and supporting the channel. Cheers! John

[@sarahs784]

Good talk, thanks John and Erin. Makes me want a Dutch bike. I'm UK based and will see if I can visit the Netherlands in the future and buy one. Good stuff.

[@ActiveTowns]

Thanks, Sarah. Glad you liked it. Definitely worth a visit and getting a nice ride would be a bonus. Cheers! John

[@The-Dutch-Way]

Funny to see that abandoned bicycles that are taken by the hundreds from the streets of Rotterdam are given a new life in Winnipeg. Coincidentally, the day before yesterday I saw a report on the Rijnmond channel on KZbin about Fietspunt, called: Dit is het eindstation voor verlaten fietsen in Rotterdam (This is the terminal station for abandoned bicycles in Rotterdam). You can watch it automatically subtitled in English. About 150 bicycles are brought in every day at the municipal bicycle depot Fietspunt in Rotterdam. The stolen bicycles and the loaner bicycles are immediately removed. So the bikes from Winnipeg were not stolen, but confiscated by the municipality of Rotterdam and not claimed by the previous owner within thirteen weeks. Spaniards also buy up Dutch bicycles, although they still have to get used to the coaster brake there as well. Watch a video on the NOS Jeugdjournaal channel on KZbin: Waarom gaan er vrachtwagens vol Nederlandse fietsen naar Spanje? (Why are trucks full of Dutch bicycles going to Spain?).

[@ActiveTowns]

Yes, truly fascinating. Of course, it's not really a sustainable model, especially with shipping rates increasing the way they are. We all need to get back to building the comfortable, practical, Dutch-style bikes in our own countries. As awareness grows, so will the market, or at least that's the theory. Hehe 😉 Thanks for watching and all the great info & video leads. Cheers! John

[@willekevanderham5326]

It used to be that as a local whose bike was stolen and not found/brought to the police, you could buy one of the 'unclaimed bikes' at an auction after a while. I guess it is less work for them to sell them wholesale out of the country.

[@ActiveTowns]

@@willekevanderham5326 It's a pretty fascinating process. Not easy to the least. I highly recommend Erin's podcast series as it is quite interesting and entertaining: Plain Bicycle Podcast: pod.link/1510268605 Cheers! John

[@colleenharrison2942]

Thank you John and Erin, very enjoyable podcast.

[@ActiveTowns]

So glad you liked it. Thanks for tuning in. Cheers! John

[@jorrittimmers8066]

"There's some funky math people do to justify their car ownership sometimes" Completely agree. The funky math is in my opinion also about the size of car they need, or the range of an electric car. In the bikeworld people buy a heavy bakfiets (cargo bike) because they think they have to be able to carry lots of stuff all the time when they would be more comfortable 95% of the time on a regular bike. Better safe than sorry is the thinking i guess, but wasteful in my opinion. Thank you Erin for spreading useful information so people can make their lives more enjoyable. My favorite bike ever was a 1950's dutch (male) omafiets. It was small but so heavy i would not park it on your reception wall.

[@ActiveTowns]

So heavy = sturdy. Works for me. Thanks for watching, Jorrit. Cheers! John

[@maruad7577]

The street, in the photo with the Dutch bike in it, had 50 kph speed limits. They were that wide because ox carts were the main mode of travel when the city was first laid out and the soil was a very dense clay that would turn to gumbo when wet so each cart would try to take a slightly different path. The city had electric trolley buses when I was a child but, sadly, they were removed. Great conversation. Thanks.

[@maruad7577]

Extra thumbs up for mentioning curling. Now I want to go listen to "Tournament of Hearts" by the Weakerthans.

[@ActiveTowns]

Yeah, good point. I'm sure you saw that we featured a photo with the trollies. Thanks for watching. Cheers! John

[@ActiveTowns]

@@maruad7577 Hehe, I sort of kicked myself for not asking a curling follow-up question. 🤣

[@maruad7577]

@@ActiveTowns I saw that photo as well. I used to work across the street from where it was taken.

[@vincewhite5087]

Single speed or 3 speed is fine in Winnipeg (where I grew up) or NL (which I have spent some time in) but need 7 or 8 gears for Calgary.

[@ActiveTowns]

I bet! I need to explore both places. Cheers! John

[@mattvaandering]

love this podcast! Had no idea Winnipeg has that history. so cool

[@ActiveTowns]

So delighted that you enjoyed it, Matt. Yeah, really fascinating history and a hopeful Dutch bike inspired future. Cheers! John

[@RAWDernison1]

How much longer will it take till "Oma-fiets" and "Bak-fiets" will be integrated into the English-spoken dictionaries ? Great enthusiasm, John, shout out to Erin and Winnipeg, still there's the Dutch directness. Around 11:00, the "bike-hangers" may look nice, but are absolutely useless (Erin acknowledges that later) for a standard Dutch bike. It's the reception, try some coat-hangers. From 23:40, two things not pointed out are the (compulsory) bell and the (fixed) rear-wheel lock. Around 34:00, Erin mentions a Danish bakfiets-firm, but the picture clearly shows .nl, not .dk. There's clearly a market (in Canada).

[@ActiveTowns]

Thanks so much for watching and for your contributions to the conversation. Very much appreciated. Cheers! John

[@nielsdegroot9138]

It seems strange to me that the lights are mentioned as 'features' (@25:10). It would never occur to me that a bike wouldn't have lights. In the Netherlands you're required to have a light on you at night, so all regular bikes have lights. Only the racing and offroad bikes don't have them (also because they don't have fenders or rear racks where they are usually attached.) and then the rider has to attach a light to themselves. But when they're attached to your bike you can't forget them. So much easier... Edit: same for the bell: legally required in the Netherlands since 1906.

[@ActiveTowns]

Yes! Exactly. It is so bizarre that utilitarian bikes are sold naked in places where car-brain has taken hold. Thank you so much for watching and for this fabulous contribution to the conversation. I hope you are enjoying the Active Towns Channel. Cheers! John

[@josvanzetten]

If Dutch bikes ore so popular in North-America, why is there no bike factory who make them overthere? more sustaineble then transport old bikes from the Netherlands over sea. And we can keep our bikes overhere. No critics, I like your channel 👍

[@ActiveTowns]

Thanks! Yeah, there are few local builders finally catching on here. Cheers! John

[@ActiveTowns]

Thanks! Yeah, there are few local builders finally catching on here. Cheers! John

[@HashbrownLouis]

I love the vertical hang wall mounted bike storage , it’s beautiful. However, it does not seem ideal for Dutch bikes, given their weight and possible awkward girth.

[@ActiveTowns]

Yeah, visually, it's super cool and appropriate with lightweight sport bikes, but not so practical, of course, for heavier, more utilitarian Dutch-style bikes or cargo bikes. I used to have a bike wall similar to this in my apartment for our racing bikes. Thanks so much for watching. Cheers! John

[@DrFumi]

I'm not one to usually listen to podcasts, but this one had me captivated. I'm definitely looking into the project more after this, and both of your podcasts! The only point I disagree with is the safety equipment conversation around 26:30 in. I think at a minimum you should be wearing a Helmet, at least in the USA. Unfortunately due to our City designs you're going to be sharing the road with cars, and therefore you're prone to more accidents with them and Helmets are just too important. Even if you're going slow and no vehicles are involved, the right fall can lead to serious injury if you hit your head. @ 27:30 Erin said "Why have we developed this culture where [cycling is] the only type of transportation where you're supposed to wear a different outfit..." and she trails off, though I believe she means to finish that with "to commute." I would make the counter argument that motorcycles and mopeds are another mode of transportation where you need a special outfit for riding. Due to the much, much slower speeds of city bicycles, this isn't a really a fair comparison, but I still think it's hard to argue against protecting your head while commuting.

[@ActiveTowns]

Thanks for watching, Adam. My official helmet position as a health promotion professional is that if someone wants to wear one, they should go right ahead and do so. Personally, I choose not to wear one and dress for my destination when I am cycling in relatively safe environments, and I know that I will be traveling at relatively slow speeds (an activity I refer to as pedestrian plus). As you correctly point out "Even if you're going slow and no vehicles are involved, the right fall can lead to serious injury if you hit your head" and this is equivalent in my mind to the risk associated with any fall, whether in the shower, on an icy sidewalk, or on a trail run (where I routinely trip and fall). I choose to ride in this relaxed, comfortable manner because I want to encourage more people to ride more often, and I know that I am signaling a subtle message that riding a bike is not inherently dangerous, which, when done in this manner (relaxed, in control, slower speeds) and in these environments, it is clearly not (as is demonstrated in literally hundreds of cities worldwide). I do choose to wear a helmet when I'm riding my racing bike, my mountain bike on challenging terrain, or anytime when I would just feel more comfortable having one on. But I do so fully knowing what a helmet will and will not do for me. Helmets are not tested or certified to protect me from death or injury in a collision with a car, and they have not been tested to protect me beyond a speed of 20 mph. So what little protection they provide is in a very narrow window of conditions. So, if not helmets, what must be done to make riding a bike for everyday trips safer for everyone is reducing motor vehicle speeds. We know that the risk of death in a collision with a car traveling 15 mph is very low (10-15% range), and truthfully, at these speeds, most potential collisions are actually avoided. The risk of death increases exponentially as speeds increase to the point where at 40-45 mph, we expect a fatality rate close to 85%. Note: These data do not necessarily take into specific consideration the massive increases in the size of U.S. SUVs and trucks. What the data says: Every country, state, province, and municipality that has required helmets have seen ridership levels go down and held down. From a public health perspective, using actuarial data, the positive health benefits of having more people riding more often far outweigh any additional risk of injury or death. So, in summary, I encourage people to educate themselves as to the relative risks and benefits associated with riding a bike (and walking, for that matter) to meet their daily needs. If they decide that riding with a helmet is the right choice for them, great. However, helmet use promotion quickly slides into the realm of victim blaming, which should always be avoided as it is unproductive and demeaning. We will all benefit as a society when we focus on creating an environment that is safe and inviting for All Ages & Abilities. Cheers! John

[@tarquinmidwinter2056]

Here in the Netherlands bikes with crossbars are marketed as men's bikes, but bikes with a low step-through aren't marketed as women's bikes. They are 'unisex' and a lot of men ride them.

[@ActiveTowns]

Yes! I love this. And you see a bunch of these step-through frames in my latest video to most in a few minutes.

[@josvanzetten]

Yes. A men's bikeframe is stronger, thats why transport bikes in the past had 2 crossbars. A womensbike called that way because women wear dresses back then, with a dress you need a steptrough frame. Also called 'pastoor-fiets' (priest-bike), because priest also wear dresses in the past. For my daily use, as a men, i ride a womensbike (stepthroughframe), much more practical and safer. But for hobby I ride a traditional 'men' bike from 1939 in the weekends and when the sun is shining 🙂

[@midwesternurbanist7883]

If only we could convince Plain Bicycle Project to ship to the USA!

[@ActiveTowns]

True that! We may need to duplicate the project in several locations here in the States. Cheers! John

[@lws7394]

No ! There may be a lot of ragged bikes in NL , but not thatt much !! It's better to built them in the US/Can and distribute em ...

[@ActiveTowns]

@@lws7394 Yes. In a perfect world, this is precisely what would happen... and we are making some inroads in our domestic bike manufacturing to create more "Dutch-like" bikes, but they, the manufacturers, are so resistant to giving up on what they truly know, building sport and recreation bikes that are quite incompatible for getting to school, work, the grocery store, and restaurant comfortably. Thanks for watching and hopefully we (the rest of the world) will start finally building simple, practical bikes. Cheers! John

[@Superfluffyfish]

The oma-fiets being used by men and women is a fairly recent phenomenon though. Some thirty to thirty five years ago men rode male-bikes a lot more. Riding one of those anywhere with traffic lights is awful. The constant stopping and starting is inconvenient and can cause some… unwanted injuries (especially in rowdy boys). Getting on and of is a pain, you have to swing your leg over the back baggage rack in order to get on and of the bike. Dropping your book-bag in this way in high school was the most un-cool you could be. Also there were part-time jobs. My siblings and I had a krantenwijk (paper-route?) and you have to get of your bike for each adres, to throw the paper in the mailslot in the front door of the house. We were recommended to get an oma-fiets at the time, as opa-fietsen caused to many injuries and problems. So a lot of high school students around the 2000’s stopped wanting opa-fietsen and started getting oma-fietsen instead. Oma-fietsen had a bit of a revival at the time I remember and you suddenly saw them everywhere, especially the ones with the back-wheel kick-stands. Most guys never went back as far as I can tell. It’s now normal enough that in most bike-stores they keep way more oma-fietsen in stock then opa-fietsen.

[@ActiveTowns]

Love it! Thanks for the first-hand account. I love the step-through frame of my Tern GSD Cargo Bike. I find it much more practical. Cheers! John

[@Anonymous-sb9rr]

Her bike is so Dutch, she doesn't even wear a helmet anymore.

[@ActiveTowns]

Yup. The transformation is nearly complete. Cheers!😀

[@scb2scb2]

It will be interesting to see how ebikes will evolve it seems to me that under 'dutch' pressure and 50% of all bikes sold here now being ebikes they are also getting simpler to use. My very expensive ($6k) ebike is low stepthrough, 100% auto and internal geared continues, no cables outside i only have 1 control on the stearing bar thats the mode i am in. Riding is just as simple as on a omafiets again very heavy, stable and just peddle and go. And its also very right up and build for comfort. Love bike on this and old style bikes in Utrecht/Netherlands.

[@ActiveTowns]

That sounds fabulous! What make and model is the bike?

[@scb2scb2]

@@ActiveTowns i now ride on a german made bike called a reise & muller nevo gt automatic that is a lowstep very sturdy bike with only a small controller. It auto-handles the motor and gear position (enviolo) so its always in the correct gear after a while you just peddle. I am sure in a few generations more will be hidden and made more invisible ,less maintenance and just a tool jump on and peddle. Unlike old bikes with ebikes lots of tech has to be added to make in simple again since something has to make the balance between motor, gears, peddle speed to so its a cooperation between the motor and the human to make it feel 'normal' again. For me on my normal bike i go again 16km/h like most dutch people only difference is on the ebike i go 25km/h. On a normal bike and speed i put in about 120watts while on the ebike i put i 140/150watts (so more) but go 25km/h and even if we don't have hills we do have wind and rain a lot and that on a right-up bike is the 'fun killer' that and quick speedup/bridges are the biggest real gain for ebikes if you ask me.

[@ActiveTowns]

@@scb2scb2 Cool! I'm quite familiar with the R&Ms. Great bikes. We have a dealer here in Austin.

[@j.w.smeenk7248]

The image of the granny bike is mirrored.

[@ActiveTowns]

Oh, wow. Good catch. I wonder if Erin knew that. Hehe. Cheers! John

[@vincewhite5087]

If you buy older car cash, it’s better. Your car share must recoup these cost too, just share by more people.I grew in Winnipeg and me & my mom did not have a car.

[@ActiveTowns]

Yep, The real culprit is the need for buying that new car, again and again. Perpetual indebtedness.

[@Zoza15]

Ahhh yes, the Typical Oma Fiets, (Grandma Bike) Always cheap and reliable for cycling..

[@ActiveTowns]

Yep. And for most trips around town, that's pretty much all that's needed. I hope you enjoyed the conversation. Cheers! John

[@Zoza15]

@@ActiveTowns Very much, a like for you sir 😄👍🏽.

[@SteffiReitsch]

The Netherlands is flat. How do these things do on hilly terrain? I didn't watch the whole thing. Maybe they covered this.

[@ActiveTowns]

Most North American cities are also relatively flat, and Erin has no trouble riding her omafiets. For those places that do have significant hills, we are seeing people employing electric assist upright bikes and cargo bikes. Cheers! John

[@situationsixtynine8743]

You can buy the same design but with gears.

[@ActiveTowns]

@@situationsixtynine8743 Yes. And e-assist. I believe e-assist bikes just surpassed 50% of new bike sales in The Netherlands. Thanks so much for watching. I hope you are enjoying the Channel. Cheers! John