A Different Take on Boogie2988

Like so many others, I had a passing familiarity with Boogie2988 growing up. He was never one of the people that I followed, but nonetheless, he was a well-regarded presence in the KZbin creatorsphere. And so when I started seeing channels like Turkey Tom and Joon the King documenting Boogie's fall from grace, I was sad to find that things had turned out so badly. But for some reason, the most recent (and thorough) report from Mike Clum has made the whole situation more real. Clum's doc, while it has its flaws, hits much harder simply because it was done with Boogie's cooperation, allowing viewers a long, protracted look behind the curtain of his media personality.
However, since the documentary's release, I've been disappointed by the conversations that have emerged. Large YT creators like Charlie aka Moist Critical and Mutahar of Ordinary Gamers have had plenty to say, but little worth hearing. Most of the commentary is so lazy that it can't even stand up to the slightest scrutiny. The idea that anyone should expend human thought on examining whether Boogie is a good person is so inane that it defies description, and yet that has been the bulk of all discussion on the topic. How boring.
I made this video because I wanted to try to express something that gave me pause during my watch of the doc: the idea that for all his faults, there is something redemptive about Boogie. It's less a reality than a possibility, but it is there. Anyway, I'll let the video explain the rest.
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[@AramisNailz]

I watched this video after finding your video on Falling Down. I must say that your use of empathy in a time where social shaming and condemnation is the norm is refreshing. I'm sure many would claim you are covering for the undeserving, but it speaks to their own inability to understand how people wind up as they are. As though they cannot fathom how it could ever happen to them, and that is dangerous.

[@matijamiskovic1427]

same man, after falling down i also saw this, very interesting chanel

[@robertjohnloftus]

@@matijamiskovic1427 same. I've never heard of boogie though and I was definitely terminally online in the 2010s lol

[@NoelWatson-kg9qh]

I did the exact same thing as this guy

[@Autism-Forums]

What a stupid opinion to have

[@bigdadddyd123]

It’s always been like this. Social shaming and condemnation isn’t new

[@rumblerumble2276]

Found you through your Falling Down video. I’m glad your channel exists.

[@thebarkingyears]

Thanks for watching and for the kind words!

[@itzalion]

Same. The algorithm chose the Falling Down video for some reason.

[@lukealadeen7836]

Me too, great video ❤

[@MaxAngor]

I actually lost my weight and I'm way, WAY more disabled than him. I've died three times for over three minutes in total because my lungs suck that much. I started not being able to walk to the walgreens 5 minutes from my apartment. I tried and tried for years and years to help Steven. He doesn't want the help. He wants to die. I'm fine with letting him. I can't help people who don't want help. Is he sad? Yes. Is he a cautionary tale? Naturally. Is he a good person? No. He's just a person. 99.9% of people aren't good or bad and he's nowhere NEAR the monster or saint .1%.

[@iruleatgames]

Finding God is far more profound than anything Boogie is going through...

[@beanlegume9965]

Agreed.

[@Dowlphin]

Makes me wonder whether he will consult psychedelics again, because they're full-force pushing you towards exploring the divine state. Although they also have the power to give you something to digest for years to come.

[@DARTHNEWS]

Honestly I feel fucking honored being here before the world discovers this channel. This content and analysis is crack for me.

[@wiiztec]

lol calm down this guy already has over 5k subs, is that really enough for your inner hipster?

[@Peremptor]

@@wiiztec so far the two vids I've seen actually got good non mainstream takes... not much of that anywhere.

[@haysmcgee801]

Hey, great video and thank you for a take that is a bit deeper than, “look how offensive Boogie is”. I have been watching Boogie for years and was really rooting for him at various times and painfully frustrated at him at others. I haven’t seen anything about boogie’s reaction to the documentary but after watching it, I couldn’t help but feel like Mike deliberately made something to showcase Boogie at his absolute worst and through the use of camera angle and clever editing show that anyone who might support or even enjoy Boogie’s company as enabling or pathetic. It just appeared to me that there was some kind of agenda to achieve. I could be mistaken or overthinking it. On a related note, the scene where boogie’s reading through his medical ailments and then flippantly tosses his phone aside.. I get it. As someone who also struggles with a large number of physical and mental issues you almost have to be flippant or have some kind of humor about it or it becomes overwhelming and insurmountable to deal with. However I will also note that I don’t know if Boogie knows how to be normal when a camera is on. There is always some element of him that is performative any time he is aware that someone is watching. He was also the type of person to always go for the biggest reaction good or bad, and I feel this is what people are reacting to with him. We have moved into a time where people place high value on authenticity and boogie just doesn’t seem authentic and tragically for boogie I think it’s a defense mechanism that he doesn’t know how to turn off.

[@EruannaArte]

congrats on your channel and Falling Down video blowing up! I like your points of view about Boogie! Wish you more success🌠

[@thebarkingyears]

Thank you! It's been a pretty wild couple of days for sure! I appreciate the kind words.

[@Hoganply]

Dez might technically be an adult, but remembering back to some girls my age when I was 20 and how naive they were about the toxic relationships they stayed in for way too long after, I can't see it turning out well for either of them.

[@thebarkingyears]

Hi, Hogan. Thanks for watching. There's no consistently agreed on definition for what a "toxic" relationship is. I for one think that anything less than real physical or verbal abuse is fine and belongs within the normal range of human relationships. There's no indication that either of these two are abusing each other, and if anyone is using the other...well, it's Dez that is staying in Boogie's house. I think that the majority of the objections to Boogie and Dez is just rabid hatred of the man.

[@terrorvizyn1043]

​@thebarkingyears408 I think the more common type of toxic relationship in this context (older individual with a very young individual) comes in the form of manipulative behaviors, and the younger person in the relationship does not have as much life experience, and tend to be naive. You've covered that physical and verbal abuse are off limits but failed to mention emotional abuse. A lot of victims of abuse may know they are being abused but justify staying, but victims of manipulation rarely are aware they are being abused.

[@chavzone]

@@thebarkingyears But there's a massive emotional power differential between the two of them. Ignoring who Boogie is, even an "ordinary" man in a relationship with a girl less than half his age - 29 years his junior - would turn heads and raise eyebrows. It's not just that it's uncommon because of social norms, but there's a fundamental imbalance, a huge asymmetry between each of their emotional development. You also talk about how Dez could be "using" Boogie by the fact that she is staying in his house, but you neglect to examine the possibility of this being another aspect of material dependency that makes her reliant on him. Again, it doesn't mean there *is* any abuse - but given over 95% of cases of abuse involve financial reliance on the abuser, onlookers do have genuine cause for concern here, and it's weird that you seem to count this as a point in Boogie's favour rather than one of the textbook pillars that can allow abuse to exist. Also, you talked about how Mike was being manipulative in the way he shot Dez in a sexualised and diminutive way - but you can equally turn that on its head and say that she *allowed* him to shoot her like that, everything was consented to, she was fine with picking up the toys (toys which, moreover, are presumably also genuinely hers, and not props that he brought with him) and having them in the shot. She didn't say "hey, I'd rather not be holding these, it's going to make me seem like a goofy child". She seems oblivious to the immense public scrutiny that any tidbits about their highly unusual relationship will undergo. If she seems ditsy and naive in the shots... Well, it's because she is. This by no means makes the relationship inherently abusive - but it's certainly cause for very valid concern, and I think it's disingenuous to be so callously dismissive of criticism to that effect as simply being character assassination directed at Boogie. That you so readily skimmed over the possibility of Dez being in an emotionally vulnerable - or compromised - position as simply being sensationalist social media conjecture strikes me as quite shocking and worrying. All of the foundations for an abusive dynamic are there, and while I don't personally think it will go in that direction based purely on my interpretation of their interactions, it is at the very least a clear case of emotional codependency of two emotionally stunted individuals. My main fear would be that they withdraw into themselves instead of going to therapy or seeking the psychiatric help that they both clearly need. They don't need to be "normal", but they do need to be adults capable of full independence before being in a relationship together, and that doesn't seem to be the case - yet. Until then, they need support, and a part of that is not glossing over legitimate critique of the unhealthy dynamic of their relationship.

[@TangyWaterpark]

Very surprised by the low view/subscriber count, amazing video noting things from a different perspective

[@thebarkingyears]

I appreciate that! Thanks for watching, Tangy, and for the kind words as well!

[@OpEditorial]

It's interesting to hear the "yolo" perspective when applied to Boogie2988.

[@OafSite]

boogie sucks

[@NagySzentAntal]

Another great video I saw after watching your Falling Down dissection. I've subbed, this is great content and I look forward to seeing more. Really love your style and use of language

[@noahluzier2067]

Now this guy understands. Thanks for bothering to be right about stuff.

[@olliesloane151]

Not sure I agree with all of your points, but you definitely pointed out a lot I'm annoyed at myself for missing. Especially the direction of the documentary when it comes to Dez.

[@iruleatgames]

Highly disagree with the characterization that his girlfriend's portrayal is uncharitable. Not only dies she already own those plushies and clothes, but the fact that even if her original inclination was not to do that for the camera, she gave zero pushback on it, which speaks volumes. It's quite unfair of you to question the motivations of the documentarian, when Boogie and the GF had to be highly involved in the filming process, with virtually no other inputs, same for maybe some editors. Considering that they're not playing an acting role (supposedly), they have no excuse for their poor portrayals. They can only blame themselves.

[@Dowlphin]

I am skipping the upvote because you opened with "Highly disagree" instead of "OBJECTION!". 😁

[@Roadwarior2]

No special love or attachment for boogie either, but yeah I thought the faux outrage surrounding the documentary pedaled by KZbin's professional head hunters (who are often basket cases in their own right) to be pretty shallow and annoying. My thoughts are "just let the guy die in peace".

[@ironichoneybadger5066]

Living in Northwest Arkansas, I've actually met this guy, I think he's a deeply misunderstood character in the internet context. Idk, I liked him when I met him, but it's all of the surrounding things about him that I think is wild.

[@arthurdurham]

I think the bigger conversation is not if Boogie deserves these critisisms, but the conversation is more how people's reactions to his gf are only bc of him specifically. Because he is taking advantage of this poor girl who probably has trauma. Their age, experience, agency, financial, etc discrepancies are too vast for this to be anything but pathologic. But what concerns me is that this is only an issue for people because of how morbidly offputting boogie is. Seeing this grotesque and pathetic man entrap this young girl is the only time people care. But when succesful and traditionally attractive older celebrities do the same, it's considered ok. It's basically holding boogie to a standard bc he's ugly and a failure but pretty and rich people can do what they want. Leonardo DiCaprio can do the same, date a 19 year old girl he's almost 50, and it's considered enviable or normal for most because he's attractive and a reknown actor. It's easy to be grossed out by Boogie with anyone, nonetheless this clearly opportunistic and grooming like situation. But it's scary how it takes someone like him for it to be generally despised.

[@MightyJabroni]

Why the fuck do people care? As soon as someone is 18 to 20-ish, they shuld be granted enough sovereignity and agenda, to choose who they are romantic with. And if that person happens to be much older, then so be it. Why is everybody assuming this weird role of the watch dog in the bedroom, when it comes to stuff like this?

[@AndrewDoe777]

I don't see the appeal of "Boogie".

[@DJchestr]

I can agree with your commentary. As someone who used to watch most of his videos and tune into his streams I think Boogie or Stephen is trying to end his life in the most humiliating way possible. He's mentioned his fear of ending it all. He came from a broken home and is extremely mentally destructive and is letting it take over.

[@kurtvroon6803]

I'm sorry, but I do NOT feel sorry for a professional victim who had everything and pissed it all away of his own free will. This was a documentary, not a movie. In many ways, it is; let's pick the camera up and shoot. Mike Clum is getting a lotta flack for stuff such as, why did you shoot Dez with her butt hanging out? Or, Boogie, why did you spend this amount on these items... Well, Mike, fudge the numbers. Boogie, didn't you watch the doc.? Yeah, but I didn't think it was a big deal. Boogie made no money for the documentary, BUT neither did Mike Clum. In fact, Mike spent $20,000 of his money on travel and expenses. Question... Boogie's problems with Mutahar were self-inflicted, were they not? Why do I care? Because after the Tom Dark or Turkey Tom video (forget what channel he put it on), which was nothing more than an hour of the "job interview" on the doc. That was the vibe the whole time. "I can't, I can't, I'm too sick." Look, it's personal in a way. I suffer with a lot of the same stuff Boogie suffers from Mentally. I don't have weight issues, fortunately. But my bag of Meds is not that much smaller than his. I'd almost kill to be in Boogie's position. 7K a month to survive; wow, the wife and I do it on 2. Imagine if we had 7k coming in a month. We'd be rich. And to constantly hear woes is me; I'm the victim, is nauseating. He's the boy who's cried wolf, while those who truly suffer do it silently.

[@thebarkingyears]

Sorry, Kurt, but who here asked you to feel sorry for Boogie?

[@kurtvroon6803]

No one, but it was meant as a statement not a reply.

[@faustopancake234]

“…while those who truly suffer do it silently…” he posted on a public KZbin video comment section… Can I have you email address or something so I can ask you who and who is not “truly suffering” so I know who to feel any sympathy for?

[@unarmored9973]

Excellent assessment of this surprisingly mild documentary that seemed to trigger absolute hate and disgust from every KZbinr on the platform. Charlie's coverage of Boogie was particularly irritating to me, not because I disagreed with his haphazard and imposing ethical suggestions regarding the sex-work industry, but because he seemed to deliberately avoid providing any useful context that could nuance the questionable choices of someone struggling with mental health issues -I mean, that's some pretty important stuff when deciding whether or not one's decisions make them a "bad person".

[@Peremptor]

Boogie is our tepid decadent age writ large... a product of the current zeitgeist.

[@hudooguru2]

This channel is going places. No doubt. Keep up the good work.

[@danielolea3406]

Saying your no different doesn't excuse you from being unoriginal.

[@dbensdrawinvids8390]

His Arkansas 8's comment for me is less about his standards of attractiveness and opinions on prozzies, but how he just casually dogs on all his exes, even Dez who was, frankly, too good for him.

[@thebarkingyears]

I don't think that him acknowledging that there are women who are more physically attractive than Dez or his exes is disrespectful. This fact shouldn't be threatening to anyone, and Boogie being unattractive himself doesn't and shouldn't prevent him from acknowledging it.

[@garfocusalternate]

If you want to understand anything about Boogie's girlfriend, you've got to understand BPD. She's with Boogie because she's horrified of being abandoned, and she sees Boogie as safe. She shows all the other hallmarks of BPD too (neglectful / abusive parents, unstable sense of self, psychological issues, attention-seeking, childish behaviors, etc.). Personal experience on this one. I got a beautiful GF when I was a hundred pounds heavier and when I lost the weight we started having some major issues. And a girl like that can turn venomous quickly. Boogie is actually in pretty severe danger from that woman.

[@javan6982]

I had no knowledge of Boogie, despite being plugged into gaming, sucking up too much youtube, and also being close to his age... it is a fascinating and sad tale. Generally I agree with @TBY however I disagree that the "magnitude" of his craven excess is at all redeeming, but I don't condemn it. The impression I get is TBY envies Boogie's touch with success and fame, and with his 'spoils of victory'. The documentary showed several of Boogie's blunt and offensive statements, which are the reason I don't like him, not for his lifestyle or physical attributes. As for Clum, he is completely exploiting Boogie and the youth, vulnerability and naiveté of his gf. None of them are good role-models imho.

[@psihypo]

Relating that Kierkegaard quote to B's extravagant sex habits was just so... bold? Had me laughing for a minute straight. You're not wrong?? I agree that more embarrassing internet celebrities should explode with the spectacular conviction of a Shakespearean tragedy rather than just burn out under a taco bell bag. Great vid

[@ironichoneybadger5066]

There's a lot to be said about your point on the magnitude of the sins of someone like Boogie, I think most people are guilty of similar appearing problems, and the condemnation he experiences comes from an almost dichotomous relationship with the internet and the sins that Boogie committed that all people have in some small part if they participate in the internet's subcultures.

[@cyanrazorCel]

Thank you for pointing out to flaws with moistcritikal's video. I thought the same thing. He "deserved" the women because he happened to have the money to hire them. Simple as that.

[@MelficeMSM]

Okay, I see your points most of the time but I actually do not get what your point is when you say "at least what Boogie did had magnitude". Overall I follow the point that drooling over instagram models or watching porn is comparable to what Boogie does but I don't understand why blowing thousands of dollars on sexworkers is "better". Maybe you can elaborate on that? For me both things aren't great and I don't really see any one thing better than the other one It also continues with this weird thing about him having blown more money than some people will ever make which just sounds like stuff streamers/online personalities with big egos say when they're critizised. Don't think that makes for a very compelling argument.

[@marchelandersen6839]

i like your perspective on falling down and this so im gonna watch more of yours

[@buttervouchers]

Best take I've found on the whole recent Boggie nonsense, a lot of the popular takes were rubbing the wrong way but couldn't put my finger on it, I used to be a big fan of boogie but see him now with a hint of disgust and disappointment but mostly sadness and pity for him.

[@Xx_HD_xX]

Great video! I never watched the documentary but I watched reactions. Not for the sake of their reliability but I found it odd as I was watching a dogpile of content creators in real time. It was like watching a mob of paparazzi try & get what they could. I don't justify any of his bad behavior but, like you, I saw the misinterpretation from Charlie about Boogie's justification for his impulse spending & it just did not sit right.

[@anadraham2995]

Those establishing shots of his girlfriend were pretty fuckin crazy

[@OntologicalQuandry]

He may have had gastric bypass surgery and lost weight, but it is clear that he is not committed to changing his lifestyle to lose weight. I lost two stone (28 lbs) last year by changing my diet. It took time but I still marvel at the graph of my weighings and how the fat came off. I don't know who Boogie is, but his malaise seems to be summed up by that classic Fatboy Slim "You've Come a Long Way, Baby" album cover with the fat person in a T-shirt saying "I'm #1 so why try harder"

[@thebarkingyears]

28 lbs is no joke! That's impressive!

[@OntologicalQuandry]

@@thebarkingyears I should also clarify that, despite being nearly 6' tall, I've never been heavy and that represented me dropping from 12st 8lb to 10st 8lb. Nearly 20% of my mass.

[@Varadiio]

Another follower from the Falling Down video, that one must have really taken off. Anyway, I've been going back to school recently. I had it handled financially, but they have not been shy in pointing out just how many programs, scholarships, and grants there are to pay for everything in many if not all U.S. states. Sorry this is taking long to explain, but anyway, I know an uncomfortable number of people that are effectively Boogie. I probably have been so late to make career moves because of this "nerd" culture of card games, video games, fantasy and fandoms of whatever. I've been speaking to these friends on a number of occasions about the very real guarantee of a free ride at least through community college or something. But they're all Boogie. They don't want to do anything about it. They're worse in health and no better in career than when they turned 20, and the nihilism of living in the present is maddening. I enjoy games like Dungeons and Dragons, and I don't see any reason why it isn't a fitting game for retirees, but in their 20s, everyone was Francis at the table, and into their 30s, those still around are Francis at the table. I had to step away while working on myself, because I refuse to believe in a game of Dungeons and Dragons in our 50s still being Francis at the table. How are other peoples' nerd hobby friends doing? Is this a common issue? I don't feel good ignoring it or walking away, but if I scream any louder it'll push all of them away. I certainly can't live like it anymore.

[@whyjnot420]

I think that trying to apply logic to love is a fools errand. Sometimes it just makes sense, sometimes it doesn't. Logic and emotion come from two distinct parts of the brain, so it should be understandable that you don't need one to understand the other. note: this assumes a genuine love. All that is out the door without it.

[@chrisc7265]

Great point about how blowing 200k on hookers is two steps above spending 200 hours goonin' alone in your room. There are nerds and there are nerds, and everywhere you look is the pattern of the low and resentful tearing down any semblance of greatness that manages to briefly peak above the waterline in our age of democratic lowest common denominator leveling.

[@chavzone]

5:26 There's a massive emotional power differential between the two of them. Ignoring who Boogie is, even an "ordinary" man in a relationship with a girl less than half his age - 29 years his junior - would turn heads and raise eyebrows. It's not just that such a large age gap is uncommon in typical social norms, but there's a fundamental imbalance, a huge asymmetry between their two positions: emotionally, socially, and economically. You talk about how Dez could be "using" Boogie by the fact that she is staying in his house, but you neglect to examine the possibility of this being another aspect of material dependency that makes her reliant on him. Again, it doesn't mean there *is* any abuse - but given over 95% of cases of abuse involve financial reliance on the abuser, onlookers do have genuine cause for concern here, and it's weird that you seem to count this as a point in Boogie's favour rather than one of the textbook pillars that can allow abuse to exist. Similarly, his extensive history of using sex workers isn't grounds for an instant condemnation, and the entire field is a complex and contentious one - but it certainly doesn't add points in his favour in this context. Also, you talked about how Mike was being manipulative in the way he shot Dez in a sexualised and diminutive way - but you can equally turn that on its head and say that she *allowed* him to shoot her like that, everything was consented to, she was fine with picking up the toys (toys which, moreover, are presumably also genuinely hers, and not props that he brought with him) and having them in the shot. She didn't say "hey, I'd rather not be holding these, it's going to make me seem like a goofy child". She seems oblivious to the immense public scrutiny that any tidbits about their highly unusual relationship will undergo. If she seems ditsy and naive (or "emotionally stunted and infantile", in your words) in the shots... Well, it's because she clearly IS. No grown up, emotionally adult person would allow themselves to be subjected to indignities such as this, not least when they know they are in a state of semi-(in)famous internet celebreity, and thus subject to a greatly intensified public gaze. None of this by any means makes the relationship inherently abusive - but it's certainly cause for very valid concern, and I think it's disingenuous to be so callously dismissive of criticism to that effect as simply being character assassination directed at Boogie. That you so readily skimmed over the possibility of Dez being in an emotionally vulnerable - or compromised - position as simply being sensationalist social media conjecture strikes me as quite shocking and worrying. All of the foundations for an abusive dynamic are there, and while I don't personally think it will go in that direction based purely on my interpretation of the limited display of their interactions, it is at the very least a clear case of emotional codependency of two emotionally compromised (for different reasons) individuals. My main fear would be that they withdraw into themselves instead of going to therapy or seeking the psychiatric help that they both clearly need. They don't need to be "normal", but they do need to be adults capable of full independence before being in a relationship together, and that doesn't seem to be the case - yet. Until then, they need support, and a part of that is not glossing over legitimate critique of the unhealthy dynamic of their relationship.

[@Clown_the_Clown]

They're two consenting adults, it's their business. You can't just shriek power imbalance or try and take away the woman's agency. Sure, you might find it personally gross, but it's their choice. People need to stop treating adults like children.

[@abeish03]

it's hard to see, because one day we all have to face that great turn of fate, knowing our best effort is gone. and we won't know it while we're riding that high, only when we're wheezing at the foot of a much smaller summit, unable to put in the kind of effort we once had. you and I simply don't know where our peak is, so it's easier. but he can look back and know that his legacy is one of excessive consumption. he says as much at one point, that his whole life is summed up with a bunch of plastic stuff.

[@JennaLeigh]

Holy wow, man. This is top tier. Your editing, writing, narration- all fantastic! And seriously- GOOD ON YOU for calling out Mike, PenguinZo, and so many other "top" KZbinrs. That takes chutzpah. You deserve a million subs. I've subbed, will support you, and I eagerly await being able to see you grow and thrive❤

[@thebarkingyears]

Thanks for watching, Jenna, and for the kind words! I'm very happy you enjoyed it.

[@thegreatempathizer4631]

Strangely, you give me Rod Serling vibes, but instead of talking about scifi allegories of society but instead the current human struggle.

[@SkeeterHowitzer]

Listening at .75 speed because medical research has shown that the listening to fast talking is destructive to health, through accelerating rate of listener's heart.

[@milk6982]

ain't no way you just got 1k subs. you deserve atleast 100x that

[@thebarkingyears]

Ha, yeah, we're small for the moment. Just trying to hang in until our break comes. Thanks for watching and for the kind words though.

[@rossnix9900]

@@thebarkingyears seriously the production value and content are off the charts for such low subscriber count.

[@dropawayaccountnumber2680]

"Instead we divert our attention into distraction or self obsession or self destruction, Rather than face the reality that life is going to be painful and full of heartbreak and disappointments, and we we do this because few of us have the emotional or intellectual rescources to do anything else" This sentence stuck out to me a lot, because i am currently in this stage of my life, where i realized the "life is going to be painful and full of heartbreak and disappointments" but instead of doing anything about it i just refuse to participate in it. Just like you later said with the Nietzsche quote, without a goal or reason to live i just dont see the point of it, or find motivation to fight. Same as many others i got the Falling down video recommended to me and i got interested in your channel, great video thanks for making it!

[@thebarkingyears]

You're not alone. We are currently living through a crisis of meaning. While avoidance is completely understandable, I hope you'll find something worth fighting for, and more importantly, worth living for. Thanks for watching and for the comment!

[@dropawayaccountnumber2680]

@@thebarkingyears Thanks for the reply, i appriciate it. And i hope something like that too!

[@KideRusha]

Good video, all tough I do disagree on some points. Sure clearly a lot of people are making videos about Boogie, and its understandable and some are definitely making points that are not very insightful etc. I do think however that the statement of "deserve to go out with beautiful women" etc is wrong. It does not matter what justifications one uses for the sentence, it is still wrong. He could have used is as a excuse to spend the money as he did, it still does not make him saying stupid stuff like that anyway right. I do belief his new girlfriend is with him for the right reasons in her mind. I know how I was at that age, and I was also for a year in a bad relationship supporting a guy who was very much not doing well in life. So I can belief her, but more of a reason she should not have gotten involved with boogie. But people make their mistakes, and it happens at the young age, and well... boogie is boogie and is using the situation. I do doubt he views her as well as she views him, but who knows. Regardless in the best case scenario they live happily for the time being, and then still boogie will die, and leave her alone, which is just sad, and not a situation Boogie should put someone else into specifically if he truly cares for her. Then he would think of her best, and support her, but not in this manner. Hey maybe I would be wrong, maybe it all turns all okkey, but it is highly doubtful.

[@thebarkingyears]

Thanks for watching, KideRusha, I appreciate you watching. But are you really saying that people shouldn't get into relationships because somebody will feel bad when the other dies? Wouldn't that apply to everyone and prevent people from getting into relationships to begin with?

[@KideRusha]

@@thebarkingyears No, that would basically mean then no one would be in any relationships ever. But considering how vulnerable individual she seems to be, and boogie very very often asking her is she sure and telling he will be dying soon etc. Then mayhaps better to just enjoy the time they got, and not be all the time glooming over the fact he will be dying sooon, and rather do things that will keep you around as long as possible. If he does this, it just causes unnecessary problems before even it, like sure it should be talked over, but it seems to at least in the documentary happen quite a lot. And besides I really dont see this as a healthy relationship for her. If Boogie was different and there simply was the age gap, that would be one thing, but boogie is boogie. And to begin with, it aint that common for people to die in their 20's or 30's, it still does happen, but with smaller age gap, it aint as likely of a scenario soon afterwords. Still can happen certainly, but yeah. And boogies attitude and doom talk is the main issue I got. Plus her been vulnerable and stating she never wants to be alone, which will happen way sooner when she happens to be with Boogie.

[@skashed]

@@thebarkingyears I think you are confusing 'entitlement' with 'deserve'. No one is entitled to anything. We all deserve clean water, food, a place to live, and to be treated decently. No one is entitled to those things though, people die every day because of that. No one deserves a sexual relationship, and i'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that this would be the case. There is indeed nothing wrong with sex workers, as well as, hiring sex workers. However, Boogie's mentality was "I deserve this.... at any cost" which is entitlement (but he has no title to sex workers). Penguin0 was addressing the level of entitlement where one would destroy everything to feed an addiction. If Penguin0 doesn't like sex workers, who cares. He never said that though, you did. Boogie is deep in the hole with his addiction, and if you really believe he deserves to have sexual relationships with people of his choosing, then open your wallet for him, help the guy out. If you don't see why boogies actions are self destructive, and would go to bat for him, you are going to have a hard road ahead.

[@azninvasion]

Hate to be that guy, but as someone who has spent several decades working in the entertainment industry in LA and NYC, the women Boogie paid for sex are not even close to "LA 10s". I understand that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but LA 10s are generally not up for sale. They are supermodel celebrities that spend millions of dollars a year in beauty treatments and 1/2 of their waking hours working out. When I saw the women that Boogie solicited for sex got leaked, they are straight up LA 7s at best - which is fine, they are all gorgeous indeed. Again, it is all subjective, and you can say that the steak you had at Outback Steakhouse is the best steak that planet earth has to offer, but it totally isn't.

[@LSD25]

I instantly subbed after watching the Falling Down video, sometimes the youtube algorithm actually suggests things worth "consuming".

[@Grahny]

Do you follow stoicism? I feel like a heard the beginning of some large ideas at the end there and wanted to know if you had any book recommendations. Great vid!

[@thebarkingyears]

Hi Ryder, thanks for watching and for the comment. I have lots of appreciation for stoicism and the nobility of the great stoics, but always felt like it was only part of the equation. For recommendations, one that I almost mentioned in this video is Victor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning. It's an absolutely stunning work about suffering and enduring with dignity and grace.

[@Dowlphin]

Hmm.

[@CausticAscarite]

Oooof, what a channel to sub

[@TristanBakon]

I couldn't help but feel a little put off by the coverage of Boogie and the documentary. This is what I was feeling and more.

[@ADVJapan]

My new favorite channel!

[@thebarkingyears]

Thanks! Glad you're enjoying it!

[@quattroUnodos]

Your analysis was compassionate, contemplative, poetic, and found things universally relatable to in this man’s downfall. First piece on boogie I watched or read that really stuck with me and didn’t feel crude and reductive. Thanks.

[@d3r4g0d8]

Good video quality! Also, that you have the 🏀🏀 to oppose famous KZbinrs - with facts - is even better. Subscribed.

[@thebarkingyears]

Hey, thanks for the sub! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[@Khorne_of_the_Hill]

The "I learned about fEmInIsM today mommy" line was enough to earn my subscription lmao

[@midnightfenrir]

Thank God, another normal person who DOESN'T think Boogie is the scourge of women everywhere. Ive noticed this trend on KZbin exposed videos where the primary point isn't to just explain why someone is reprehensible, but also call them every liberal buzzword for "unacceptable". I watched a video talking about someone's past and that they were a Predator, and among the lines that made me click off were "there is solid proof he's a PDF File with many victims, a sexist AND a racist, as evidenced by his Twitter history." Like sorry, you had me at PDF File, why do I care about Twitter jokes?

[@strangecoasteroutdoors799]

Ah yes my favorite video essay genre “justifying my 200’000 dollar philosophy degree”. 😂😂😂

[@thebarkingyears]

They're just books, bro. You don't have to be afraid of them.

[@strangecoasteroutdoors799]

@@thebarkingyears I have a bachelor’s of science in biology.

[@thebarkingyears]

@strangecoasteroutdoors799 lol, well pardon me, Mr. (Ms.?) Bachelors of Science. We're all terribly impressed by your undergraduate degree. Do you have any other accolades you'd like to inform us of? Were you a "mathlete"? Key Club?

[@strangecoasteroutdoors799]

@@thebarkingyears I’m not the one running around using esoteric words to try to make myself sound smarter. And I’m going back next year to get my masters in marine ecology. It’s just math bro, why haven’t you got a STEM degree?

[@thebarkingyears]

@strangecoasteroutdoors799 It all makes so much sense now. So someone used a word outside of your vocabulary, and now your intellectual insecurity is flaring up. Got it.

[@mahmoudibnemir8704]

Seeing all of the comments on how everyone finds this channel from the Falling Down video. Is finding the Falling Down video like finding Fight Club?

[@emul9957]

I agree

[@thebarkingyears]

Thanks for watching!

[@Tacom4ster]

I blame capitalism

[@Marrtinike19]

Youll be at 500k subs soon

[@thebarkingyears]

Thanks, man. And thanks for watching. I'm glad you enjoyed it !

[@StoneEdge555]

People can't just admit to themselves they enjoy bullying boogie because they find him annoying. It's easier to pretend what amounts to character failings that only really affect him, and a weird relationship, is horrific behaviour that makes him deserving of all the vitriol the internet throws on him.

[@feluto7172]

Boogie uses pity and empathy from others like a predator. It's an excuse to keep exploiting those around him and its also an excuse to not do any serious work on himself. You are not doing him any favors by being empathetic here

[@nash_6908]

👏🏿

[@thebarkingyears]

Thanks for watching!

[@shardsamurai3866]

Bad Video!

[@numbersix8919]

I know nothing about Boogie. He certainly seems harmless. Perhaps he is relatable with his frailties on view as he has them. Perhaps he is not fake. That alone is subversive.

[@billybob3563]

Both sides are wrong tbh. Im an old guy now at 29 and I grew up with boogie. Seeing the people that are against him you would think boogie is an actual criminal. I had to take a step back because of just how many of the people on kiwifarms and reddits want to kill him and I have to think to myself "are these guys serious?". It just screams to me that these people are so sheltered. Meanwhile we found out our new hire at the jobsite lied on his background check and we found out he was in prison for 20 years for r*ping a woman and stomping on her jaw till it broke; but in the internets eyes boogie is worse than that. Absolute idiots on both sides.

[@Ass_of_Amalek]

this is dope

[@BeerDad69]

Is this Sam talent?