Mamamax Is a Complete FRAUD...

Hello guys and gals, it's me Mutahar again! This time we take a look at a KZbinr that frankly has made a mockery of a serious situation that permeates the depths of our society. While he's gained good will in the past, a recent investigation by Mamamax has sealed the deal on his career and calls to action. Thanks for watching!
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[@SomeOrdinaryGamers]

Check out Nicholas Deorio's video as well!: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6GbeWihZbd4mJI

[@ididnt.didyou]

Hi

[@NoHitReaper]

hi muta

[@jary9389]

The end of his video is elite, loved it.

[@ididnt.didyou]

@@jary9389😭😭

[@IsaacDeAlencar]

The leviathan (Nick) has come all over MamaEpstein….

[@konstantinivanov1717]

I love how MamaMax can't drop the edgy creepypasta reading voice even when discussing serious topics or responding to criticism

[@DougBurgum4VP]

It's because he doesn't take this seriously at all

[@Colddirector]

I still remember thinking the voice was a little wierd when I first saw one of his videos, but seeing it now is genuine cringe, it makes it hard to watch.

[@65firered]

1:11:29 He drops the voice when he tries to excuse not providing evidence. Kind of interesting that he drops the voice when he's on the defensive.

[@Thefan]

Yeah there's something really off about him using it to talk about something so serious, he makes it sound like he's making a video about ARGs or something

[@pramusetyakanca1552]

Same here. Just tone it down a bit, and it'll be _leagues_ more serious than whatever demonic tone of voice MamaMax speaks in. It can make the video more entertaining and can somewhat help call more attention to the topics at hand. But don't go sounding like a goddamn Decepticon.

[@GuyWithChainsaw]

It's kinda hilarious how Max goes from talking about the dangers of AI to using ChatGPT for legal advice

[@phantomwarrior8686]

Dude is a living controversy

[@jasonvargas7564]

He’s a walking contradiction and a hypocrite.

[@DomesticBonking]

The funny thing is if you use a lot of AI and ask them a legal question the AI themselves say “ Its important to consult with a legal professional who specializes in the relevant area of law to ensure you receive accurate information and representation if needed.”

[@phantomwarrior8686]

@@DomesticBonking I guess they literally programmed the AI to always do that when questioned about legal matters so the developers don't get in trouble Or something like that, Idk, give a read

[@PLATINUM_Rook]

I have no idea how I missed that

[@bvang0520]

Some dude on Fivr got paid $5 to roar with fake vampire teeth for mamamax and is now a cult leader

[@cc_the_rebel]

YALL 😂

[@smartbutvapid]

💀💀💀

[@jermfanaccount]

this would be even funnier than it already is if this Camdon guy actually ended up being innocent (since there's no actual evidence on him yet) lmaoooo

[@highdefinition450]

ikr this shit is so goofy lmao what

[@Iquey]

Definitely had to sign an NDA before making the roaring video😂😂😂😂

[@BOOMADAM]

The thing that annoys me is the fact that Max claims "This person will try to make counter claims to disprove what we've said" - Yes. Anyone would do that if they were being wrongly accused.

[@Lacter12]

it's called a kafka trap

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

He also tried to insinuate that anyone who doesn't like him is a pedo/kidnapper/rapist, soooo...

[@DiamondWisps]

Anyone will make counter claims, wrongly accused or rightly so. That's why the hard evidence he's so mad people are asking for is so important. Like, he himself is making counter claims against all the arguments against him, how doesn't he see that? Difference is, his claims aren't backed

[@Skelath]

This reeks of charity scammer drunk with power thinking he's unstoppable.

[@MadmanDKDK]

@@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 He also consulted ChatGPT for legal advice, instead of asking a pro bono lawyer... That says alot about his level of integrity.

[@Arcademan09]

Him putting on a "spooky voice" , even while *talking about negative feedback* is already a massive red flag

[@robertnapier624]

Yeah, whatever happened to speaking normally?

[@redacted2275]

​@@robertnapier624Somehow, he sounds like a bootleg Corpse and people still took him seriously. 🤌

[@jackdaniel3135]

Poor guy is so fake that he even has to fake a voice.

[@Robbie-mw5uu]

Yeah it's really annoying. Barely Sociable does the same thing. It's like for fuck's sakes, man, you're talking about someone potentially getting murdered and here you are making a spoopy voice to sensationalize and profit from the situation. It's so disgusting.

[@Calamity556]

EXACTLY. How can anyone even take Mamamax seriously when he does a voice like that? What a complete joke.

[@myboomstick-dx8sg]

Funny how when Mamamax gets genuine criticisms, he just deflects by bringing up defenseless children as a shield. What a hero.

[@panickedshears]

And then calls the person criticising him a predator without any evidence 🤦‍♂️ What a douche

[@whosaprettykitty5076]

He’s been doing this for a while- using pedfiles and victims as a crutch. He has a terrifying “you’re with me or against me” approach because he will hurl that accusation at you in a heartbeat.

[@2000_Ribbon]

Yeah if you've seen his streams recently, whenever he doesn't really have a response to something he just mentions something along the lines of "so you don't want for survivors to speak out about their experiences?"

[@jasonvargas7564]

I’ve warned his fans for so many years. But they never listened. Glad they’re finally opening their eyes to the truth

[@GrimReaping]

Oh wont you please think about the children!

[@peachmic4875]

I'm a CSA survivor, and as stupid and edgy I knew his videos are, I still wanted to believe there was some truth to them because I desperately needed to think these monsters would be stopped forever. So I looked up to him a lot for a big part of my teenage years. Now seeing everything is fake makes my stomach turn. Giving so many damaged people the hope that this could be stopped, but doing nothing about it... It just feels like having salt rubbed into a wound, so it never heals.

[@l4ur4na]

Exactly how I felt. Discovered him and I felt so much comfort as someone who has gone through the things he preached he was “setting out to stop”. Taking a step back and seeing everything for how it is makes me feel so embarrassed

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

I feel for you. James Somerton sicced his audience on the asexual community after some of us tried to correct him on some misinformation he'd spread. If MamaMax's fans try the same with you, just know that they're the problem, not you.

[@MungoFishing]

Well he was doing SOMETHING about it and that something is making money.

[@Dekzek]

Im starting to think it is a mental health issue and he has delusional thinking. Like I don't know if he is in control of his thinking.

[@WobblesandBean]

I was groomed as a young teenager, too. The guy was like this "cult leader" too, he was this guy in his 20s who claimed to be a vampire. When this story first broke, I was saddened by everyone just automatically assuming the accuser was lying, going "hard evidence" this, "hard evidence" that. When I was groomed, I didn't even know that what was happening to me WAS grooming, that's the entire reason why guys target young girls for that purpose. Also, it happened before the internet was a widespread thing. How could I be expected to go back and get evidence of that? It's absurd to expect young girls to have the foresight and the wherewithal to automatically mistrust someone they're close to and record every single interaction with everyone, just in case. And it's not like the internet doesn't have a marked history of being misogynistic and disregarding most victims without even bothering to hear their story. But watching this video, all I feel is a pit in my stomach. If it's all fabricated, that's so incredibly damaging to people like you and me. Because this is so high profile, It just means more victims will be ignored and even flat out turned against by the masses, something I know can be more than enough to drive them to do something drastic, like...um... "Self Crit" (thanks youtube for taking away our voices and not able to mention important topics). It's hard not to feel hopeless in the face of all this.

[@slovakiaballif24]

Hearing him unironically say “now we always need things like evidence. We can’t just listen to people’s stories.” sounds beyond parody. Image a world where someone just saying your guilty automatically condemns you to a guilty man’s fate

[@nignamedmutt7270]

Don't have to. North Korea and countries governed by Sharia Law already exists.

[@batz3235]

You could say in a way we already have that. Not legally but how many lives have been destroyed by false allegations. Even when those allegations are proven false later the damage has been done.

[@evgenivasileuski559]

I can smell a crowded jails, like, the whole world, even judge, lawyer, and even home shut NEET, sitting in one cell.

[@KROGANLovesKittensAndPuppies]

"Stop with the theatrics. Present this with the respect it deserves." That pretty much sums up how I've always felt about MamaMax. I respected what I thought he was doing but I've always hated the edgy approach. Talking about children's lives, the "look at how cool I am" part does nothing but make a mockery out of a very serious subject.

[@toasterenthusiast6188]

Honestly, I'm surprised it took this long for people to call him out on this, it was very evident from his videos that it was all just entertainment at the end of the day.

[@beccaricciardi2910]

agreed! I respected how he would attempt to out predators, but the edgy clips of himself made me roll my eyes so gd hard 🙄

[@glasslicker2829]

@@toasterenthusiast6188I believe that it was probably hard to call him out because his fan base witch-hunt people and most people don’t want to have to deal with that.

[@Dreamingofthisplace]

W pfp

[@StitchesAndBitches]

i honestly agree, especially now the whole flash and theatrics is just fucking insensitive (also nice deftones pfp)

[@luftballonzz]

what really irked me about mamamax and made me unsubscribe was how his recent videos were filled with weird artistic editing and spooooky cult imagery, and then only like, three minutes of it were ACTUALLY dedicated to the victims and the situation at hand. it felt like it was much more about him and his evergrowing hero complex than it ever was about bringing a predator to justice.

[@ragingumbreon2003]

thisss omg. I couldn't even take his godcult video seriously because the editing is so over the top and crazy. he barely even discusses video topics and then deflects when called out for it. crazy people in this world

[@bensadfleck9972]

thank you! i had a weird feeling about this guy and his editing style but i couldn't put it to words. This whole things reeks of a 14 year old analog horror for something that should be treated with respect.

[@Micchi-]

Too much ARG in the videos

[@chanr9531]

I think that really shows where his real motivation and priorities are at. And it’s certainly not about caring about the victims and bringing justice for them

[@luftballonzz]

@@NickyBlue99 you're so right, how could I have been so uncultured 😔

[@ErisIsAnAbomination]

I’m only 20 minutes in and as a survivor myself, the goddamn analog horror creepypasta editing is KILLING me. The guy looks and sounds like he’s moments away from flashing “29 buried, 0 found” and a distorted face PNG on the screen, not gearing up to expose something REAL. It’s like he’s pretending to be Anonymous and playing around with this whole thing… What a slap in the face. Update: In actual disbelief over the fact that he ADMITS 80% of this shit isn’t real 👁👁

[@4nn4h]

"we need evidence now, we need to consult with lawyers (...) we can't just listen to victims." I'm a victim of CSA and CSAM. I don't have enough evidence to bring a case against my abuser, because I deleted and destroyed everything related to him out of shame, fear, and anger. It was a mistake, but it's too late now. I do NOT think my word should be enough to get him locked up, even though I would like him removed from society until he is no longer a danger. For my family and friends, I'd like them to believe me based on my testimony, at least enough to offer comfort - but in a court of law, it's a different story.

[@rainbowgash14]

EXACTLY. When someone close to me shares that they were abused by another person, I will believe them unless proven otherwise. In a court of law, it is very different, as false accusations are often life ruining and the law system wants to make sure an accusation has actual merit and evidence backing it up before punishing the person accused.

[@Mamba503]

Absolutely based take

[@jojothebard6687]

Faking a controversy to gain clout is one thing, but actually using legitimate survivors of child trafficking just to elevate your savior complex, warping their real, unheard stories into some sort of pretentious, cringy, and tonedeaf ARG for edgelords is a whole new level of unfathomable heartlessness. This is not from the bottom of your heart, Max. This from the bottom of your ego.

[@minecrewsupernt831]

Facts

[@EldenRingStreams]

Very well said

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

With the Spencer thing there's something to keep in mind. She's not a random victim who contacted him. They've known each other since she was in kindergarten with his sister. Now ask yourself what are the odds that someone who considers themselves a "pedophile hunter" would just happen to know a victim of a sensational werewolf/vampire pedophile cult? That seems _incredibly_ fortuitous. And now we know he'll just make things up...

[@thehunterjk2521]

Inquisitor3 killed himself over baseless accusations. Then you got Max over here saying we should believe in baseless accusations because apparently it’s quicker than the official police channels 🙄

[@ZachGatesHere]

The fact that anyone still believes Spencer et al are actual victims and not actors in his "film production" still baffles me. I cannot understand why anyone doesn't get that the entire thing is fake. Max has never produced any evidence against anyone and has said in calls to assume that EVERYTHING in his videos is fake except "the person being an abuser." There is no cult. There are no victims. The whole thing was fictional from day one.

[@packgod.]

The fact he waited 3 years to cover this yet was trying to bash critical for not responding sooner is insane.

[@rockyraidy7194]

It’s honestly crazy how he managed too deceive so many people tbh and the fact that people never even saw through his lies is pretty crazy

[@cultovcrows8142]

gonna need a mamamax diss track now

[@Eden-qc8if]

diss track on max when?

[@error-try-again-later]

Guarantee that if critical HAD done it sooner he would have bitched about "doing it for clout."

[@havochellian1248]

The amount of digs on Max that could be made into diss track verses is insane. You could get like 5 on just the spicy anime reviews alone

[@anaisalexandre5558]

(English is not my main language, sorry for the spelling/grammar mistakes) I'm a CSA survivor, I was abused by a member of my family for years until I left my home and cut ties with my entire family at 18. When I discovered Mamamax's channel, it was almost a revelation. Finally! someone was giving a shit about us, someone who didn't care about the bad buzz or the backlash, he was going all in for us no matter what. His videos were extremely cathartic for me, I never got justice because when I went to the police station at 21 years old to file a complaint I didn't have any evidence or proof of what happened, the abuse had happened a decade ago, I didn't have any pictures or videos or anything other than my testimony with me. Ultimately, it was my word against my abuser's and my complaint was dismissed. I knew it would happen, I was devastated anyway. So his style of editing, with the violent imagery of Hotline Miami and the baseball bats and the fact that, maybe, the guys in his videos were getting what they deserved calmed my anger for a little while because God knows I dreamt of doing it to my abuser more times than I can count. Now I feel used. I feel like my trauma was used for fame and recognition, that our stories were only there to feed his ego and his online persona. That behind every CSA survivor was a potential ego boost for him. Knowing that he lied, probably created things and made us believe it was true just... I was going to write "disappoint me" but we're way past disappointment. I kinda feel numb. And stupid for putting my trust in a random stranger on the internet, enough to subscribe to his Patreon for a year and give him money just to deceit us. Of course it was too good to be true. I was blinded by my trauma and my need for justice like many others and he took advantage of this to build an entire fanbase. It's sick. I feel sick.

[@rimanahbvee]

When we are weakest sometimes its easy to form a parasocial esque relationship, all we have is ourselves in the end, sometimes loved ones

[@anaisalexandre5558]

@islandbabe88 yes and you shouldn't assume stuff about people you don't know on the internet, it's not because I didn't mention going to therapy that I never saw a therapist fyi. learn to be less ignorant and mind your own business, nobody forced you to read my post. good luck x

[@krisf4969]

Your abuser will get their judgement from God one day. Stay strong and remember God loves you! @anaisalexandre5558

[@TenkDD]

I'm not even making any assumption or accusation here but "filmmaker dedicated to empowering children" is the most groomer-ass description a youtuber could ever have why would anyone write that willingly

[@smokingalcohol2945]

It's because he's a sociopath

[@TenkDD]

@@smokingalcohol2945Well duh he's a youtuber

[@Drakoak]

​@@smokingalcohol2945sociopath just means you lack empathy doesn't mean he gotta be cringe too lol

[@smokingalcohol2945]

@@Drakoak he said he enjoys doing this shit to people, and he clearly uses others emotions to his benefit. Thats pretty sociopathic to me dude idk

[@AraiiarA]

He chose Hotline Miami, a game in which the message is violence, revenge and vigilantism only cause more violence and suffering, to promote himself as a vigilante. Really shows how smart Max actually is.

[@sporeham1674]

Legit, the whole message of that franchise went over his head, he just saw the blood, neon, and animal masks and decided it was cool

[@alex_theswan8092]

We can't talk bad about Hotline Miami, The Game is great, the Message of it is great, the 4th wall breaks are the best. Him trying to treat it like reality onine though, different story. The game is great though

[@guidedexplosiveprojectileg9943]

Never played it🤔

[@edoneill6138]

Hotline Miami is really like violence is bad but I don’t remember a revenge story, the girl maybe? Last time I played it was like 3 years ago

[@kipbop1215]

Literally isn't man. He even wears cosplay masks from the series and was known in the fandom as a weirdo. There's a video on the victim's channel where Max literally dances with it on for 10 hours straight. Max is a deluded villain man.@@frightfactoryYT

[@sylwiasadowska208]

TBH his predator hunting series feels like something Onision would write in his god awful books. The edginess, the egocentrism, the 'I'm the only one who can save you' mindset, now even questionable relationship with "saved" person, like everything checks out

[@goldenproject1892]

Feels like? Bro is straight outta Stones to Abbigale at best

[@Coopersville]

Nailed it.

[@heggy_69]

I've been saying this since the first video came out, there was always something suspect about the edgy stuff, it overshadowed the supposed pedohunting

[@jaymeselijah]

Exactly!!! I honestly didn’t think they were meant to be taken seriously, I thought it was all just an ARG

[@ChatMort69420]

Yes!! It feels like the deranged, self-obsessed edginess of an Onision video.

[@SwarfCrawler]

A thought just occured, he spent hours writing letters to youtubers, if he really cared, he'd spend that time writing the POLICE and filing a real report.

[@alexiswilf5814]

Having given this man money, being a former subscriber for years, interacting in his discord frequently and almost being hired by MamaMax as a voice actor ; learning all of this shit breaks my heart but it definitely needs to come to light. Knowing I supported him makes me sick. Thank you for creating this video

[@shinski8114]

Its a lesson learned. Learn from this mistake and try not to be as naive

[@chasegimbel1904]

Probably a voice actor for one of his many performances

[@StrykeSZN]

How did you blindly follow him when he had no evidence. No one to blame but yourself unfortunately

[@jaspurrz]

​@@StrykeSZN "so youre telling me you were manipulated by a manipulative person? you only have yourself to blame"

[@AhegaoMachine666]

Seeing Keemstar come onto a stream to discuss a sexual assault case was the most unserious thing I've ever fucking seen

[@thehoodedteddy1335]

Keemstar is human slime and never takes anything seriously, why anyone would want him to cover something serious is beyond me, but then again, Mamamax isn’t treating this stuff seriously either

[@NomastiAfricanWarlord]

If there's drama, you bet your nugget that Keemstar will find himself involved somehow.

[@AhegaoMachine666]

@@NomastiAfricanWarlord that's true

[@kennyl4699]

​@@thehoodedteddy1335 MamaMax literally tried to get Sniperwolf of all people on board to fight against this alleged cult leader. Max actually thinks that a woman who has asked at least a few young teenagers to tw--rk on camera should be a visible part of his movement to take down a supposed child predator. Even if she didn't do that, most of her audience are actual children who would likely find something like this to be very jarring and not entirely understand what's going on; it would be a complete clash with her typical content. So if Max is delusional enough to think Sniperwolf is a good person to get on board, I don't see why Keemstar would be off the table.

[@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon]

What do you mean? Keemstar is known for his level headed takes, deep investigations and definitely not getting himself into drama for more videos.

[@stoiconthastix]

An NDA does not, I repeat, DOES NOT prevent the disclosure of illegal or illicit activity!

[@acutelilmint8035]

You’d think chat got would tell max that..

[@fuckiopussigetti453]

BREAK DOWN THE WALLS

[@xhappyponyxwasmyoldname1395]

@@acutelilmint8035AHAHAHA after all, “ChatGPT understands the legal system”

[@theradiantdehd3997]

Any sort of agreement or contract is only as strong as a judge wants it to be. This isn’t an exception. The waivers that McKamey manor uses aren’t exceptions, etc. You can’t just write a contract or NDA that allows you to break the law or to abuse others. How Max doesn’t understand that is beyond me.

[@madsfiedler3884]

they also arent necessarily binding/applicable in Most situations

[@lurientheenjoyer6711]

Why tf did mamamax make his voice sound like that? He sounds like an edgelord trying to be all epic and serious, just to sound like he's swallowing the fucking mic. Can't even fathom how anyone could've gone through a whole video of that.

[@ericmcmanus5179]

This is literally the definition of "being convicted in the court of public opinion". No due process. No jury. No trial or defense. For all Max knows, his handling of this entire case could ultimately end up ruining any actual case that gets brought against this guy.

[@Cordman1221]

It could also end with him getting sued in court for slander

[@Wired_User]

The woman with the incredibly southern twang just digging into him on a livestream was great. Shoutout to her: asking the real questions and demanding basic effort be put in. 😂

[@Rhinocodon]

I am quite sure that is Xylie

[@R_S747]

Her voice is just great 😂 I love how she doesn't back down even when Max is trying to give her sas

[@MorganVsTheInternet]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Rhinocodonit was Xylie she freaking dragged him for his stupidity 😭

[@GekkoOne]

"Internet vigilante for views only" sums Max up, short and simple

[@infinitecurlie]

​@@MorganVsTheInternet Love Xylie, she's great.

[@ATLsF1N3ST91]

Soooo no one is going to mention the fact that an NDA can not be enforced when a crime has been committed?? It doesn't matter what NDA is signed, if it can be used in a criminal investigation, the NDA is completely void. I don't understand how or why people don't understand this, because NDAs are CIVIL documents... You can only be SUED for breaking it... Not ARRESTED. It's not a crime to break an NDA, you will be fined/sued. Anytime someone says "I wish I could show you this hard evidence of a crime, but I'm bound by an NDA" they're LYING.

[@ANDYZMANIA]

@@Upsideround this made me giggle. have a little laugh even thank u c:

[@TrendK1ller]

Goddamn finally someone said it like it is. Even I know this and I'm from Finland and our justice system works in a whole different way.

[@olserknam]

That reminds me of an Ace Attorney case where a stage magician refuses to testify in court so as not to "reveal his secrets", which is, of course, silly and wouldn't fly in a real court of law. But Max seems to think that's exactly how real life works.

[@duukn]

NDA is not for the crime, it's for the piece of "fictitious" video that MamaMax was making, hence the stupid disclaimer in his stupid video. Since Muta is not being questioned by the police or a court room, where an NDA would mean nothing, this NDA would most likely be enforceable if he were to sign it...well in theory because if he came up with the NDA using chatGPT then i can see it being bad enough to not be enforced. You are right in your statement, just does not apply to Mutas case

[@ATLsF1N3ST91]

@duukn The video itself IS evidence of a crime. You don't need to be speaking to the police, for the NDA to be voided. All you have to do, is present the video (or any evidence) and THEN go to the police at any point in time with the video (or any evidence of a crime) and the pending lawsuit will be stayed, pending the outcome.

[@grunkleg.3110]

Watching this video a few times has got me wondering: what's the point of Max's voice modifier? Initially it seems like it's a part of the act he's putting on, like he's in danger and needs to remain anonymous out of safety. Then in that What Happened to Mamamax video, you see his face and everything, it looks like he's going mask-off, but he's _still_ got the voice mod on. I hope the point of it isn't to come off as scary, because hearing that voice supposedly come out of a real human's mouth is about as scary as when Sonic.exe bleeds hyper-realiatic blood at me while doing his Kefka laugh

[@angellozano1938]

He's just being an Edgy McEdgelord

[@b0tfliez]

i think it's just because he's an insanely insecure person lmao

[@npickle54]

Is not he on record saying he's insecure about his voice lmao

[@Iquey]

​@@npickle54reminds me of that scene from the mean girls musical when Regina tells that boy to stop faking his voice

[@ObviousRises]

I've been saying for years that predator hunting is a huge grift. These people just want fame and money.

[@hectorlumbagoCringe]

Agreed

[@natemarx4999]

The moment Mutah considers you an ex-friend, you are going down badly.

[@cammyman32]

I agree! I remember when he was on the SomeOrdinaryPodcast and the guys were still somewhat supportive of him in future podcast videos. I hope Nux and Caleb have heard about this too.

[@CorpusCacus]

Friendship ended with Mutahar.

[@LambentV]

Max exploited the friendship for clout and credibility, I’m glad Muta finally burned the bridge.

[@TalkinKush]

This comment doesn’t make Mutah look good like you think it does 😂😂

[@raybp7512]

Stop glazing

[@7thTreasure]

Ok, the "ChatGPT understands the legal system" completely knocked me out for a few minutes laughing in bewilderment that someone could actually say this with conviction, and not as a joke

[@GodsDissapointment]

I genuinely think that was the first time that a sentence made my eye twitch in the weirdest mix of anger and pure bewilderment.

[@rnpee]

It's so funny because, I keep thinking about the case where an actual Lawyer got in HUGE trouble for using ChatGPT when researching a case

[@oldreaddy3341]

Famously.

[@jordanl5444]

"Is 450 90% of 500 No, 450 is not 90% of 500. To find 90% of 500, you can multiply 500 by 0.9, which gives you 450. Wait, actually, yes, 450 is 90% of 500. My apologies for the confusion." My favorite chatgpt quote lmao

[@nostromza3433]

@@jordanl5444 DAS YOUR NEW GOD DOOD, GET ON YOUR KNEES AND RESPECT YOUR NEW OVERLORD IT'S DA FURE!!!!!! NO HERETICAL WRITINGS AGAINST CHATGPT AND ML ALLOWED

[@GirishManeShine]

"I wanted to be first not the only one" says it all. He only wanted and cared about taking credit for creating the buzz once the videos went viral, not about victims or justice for them. He seems to have god complex and isn't this just vigilantism, shouldn't he be reprimanded for that?

[@omega1231]

It's fucking up a potential case, but it's not vigilantism. Vigilantism is dealing out your own justice, so to speak, with violence (intimidation might also count depending on country, region yadda yadda). The problem is that by making it such a big deal trying to blast it all over the internet, without going to the police (they should've been involved from the start) and you have an actual predator on your hands, they are just going to leave the country or go low profile until it dies down. It's seriously stupid and incredibly dangerous what he's doing.

[@natelastname5472]

“stop with the theatrics” amen. the over the top deep voice was just pure cringe and gave virgin with rage vibes. it did not add anything to the video and with topics like these it’s almost disrespectful to the victims

[@chrisk5985]

I'm so sick of people using children and the protection of children as a grift. They know it's a cause everyone can get behind, and they manipulate that in order to gain money, attention, and power. It's disgusting. It trivializes these issues, which is incredibly dangerous.

[@chanr9531]

Using kids to emotionally stir everyone up (when it’s unwarranted) is like the oldest trick in the book, I don’t know how people are still falling for it. What’s even more sad is how grifters like Mamamax not only uses kids as a shield from criticisms, he actively weaponizes this against other, either critics of him or innocent people like Camden’s family, leaving so much more damage in its wake. Magnatar got called a PDFile and Max’s audience contacted his workplace over this false allegations, and he called Tommy one as well, and having his rabid fanbase telling Tommy, a literal CSA victim, that he deserved what happened to him as a kid. Like the amount of damage he’s caused behind the veil of “I’m doing it for the kids” is astounding and he has basically nothing to show for.

[@dontkickmychick6076]

​@@chanr9531THINK OF THE CHILDREN *blows up homeless shelter because one of the residents dated a 17.9 yo when he was 18*

[@rustydowd879]

If they actually do protect kids, it's a valuable service and I don't mind the begging. I don't know what on this max character was actually doing though.

[@gnarwhal7562]

It's the same as the MeTooMovement and radical Trans activists undoing years of progress for feminists and the LGBT community

[@youngveggies6558]

@@rustydowd879He was mainly just stalking some girl and carving her name on himself. You know, protecting the children.

[@treepigg7967]

"Why is it my job?" Its so wild to hear someone try to dodge responsibility like this.

[@ASpooneyBard]

Especially because the whole reason they were having that conversation is because he took on the responsibility himself. He could have just told the story and passed the investigation on to someone more qualified, but he decided that it was "his job" instead.

[@notatrollll]

Dont forget the batman voice changer to sound oh so cool

[@jasonvargas7564]

I’ve said this many times over the years and his fans kept accusing anyone criticizing max as being pro PDF files. I bet they feel really smart now

[@jefferyandbob3137]

@@notatrollll oh my god hearing him put on his "tough guy" voice during that was hilarious

[@lifestokens7469]

"Why is this my job?" Maybe because you brought attention to this tragic situation, livestreamed with one of the victims multiple times while trying to contact popular internet creators, and is known to have a yt channel that posts about this topic. Like who the fuck else's job would it be. He did a horrible job informing people about the facts on this issue without the bare minimum of proof to back it all up. What I personally hate about all of this is how he has been parading one of the victims. Having her defend him when he is cornered to a wall with speculations and criticism. He is a disgraceful humanbeing for his poor handling of this very serious issue. I hope this is resolved and the victims don't suffer anymore from all the negative attention this dumbass has caused.

[@Knightmare91]

I tried looking up anything about Spencer being missing in her area of Texas all that comes up is the poster and a bunch of reddit posts talking about not finding anything.

[@JOVIJOLEE]

I can’t do that voice, I’m sorry. I don’t want to hear that while I’m learning about something serious, and I’m trying not to ffwd thru those parts.

[@dagda1180]

Me too, man. It's 'discord mod to kitten' tier of uncomfortable.

[@zackinator1439]

Max is literally the deepest case of main character syndrome I've ever seen. He treats his entire online presence as a show on a stage and he's the noble amazing loveable hero. I thought it was just him playing a character, but it appears not I guess. Same with how some details of his videos were obviously fake which I just thought was the entertainment part of the part entertainment part serious, literally pulling the "so then I called up my darkweb hacker to trace his ip address", but I guess it was all fake

[@chanr9531]

Add saviour complex and persecution complex in there as well. Even with his latest “apology” video, I feel like he still sees himself as the good guy hero and everyone else just doesn’t understand him and he’s being persecuted for trying to do the right thing.

[@WheezingCheetah]

@@BobDevVyeah this hero complex vigilante bullshit is entirely out of control.

[@D4WADE]

Diet coke version of Light Yagami

[@theunknown7441]

@@D4WADE nah if there's something below that , it's that guy

[@laurelalloro]

I've lately been noticing a recurring theme in assuming people are playing a "narcissist" character only to later realize they actually were.

[@Elesthor]

How people ever took this guy seriously while doing his silly voice is a real mystery to me.

[@lambertstarr1218]

From doing edgelord henti reviews to incel woe is me cringe videos to making silly videos about catching predtaors, this guy’s whole career on youtube is a joke

[@0palOpal0pal]

I found him by his Kanye Quest video, and I remember really liking that and subscribing. But after I saw him doing the creepyvoice over real issues and handling them like spooky campfire stories, I unsubbed. There's a time and place for sure. When it was just about video games, I thought it was kinda funny and a fitting voice for the type of content it was, since a creepy easter egg in an RPGmaker horror game is already not that scary, but I felt such genuine ick when I saw him try to cover real situations in the same way.

[@frittata3891]

he pitch shifts his voice down, scoops EQ and adds reverb. bro just oozes cringe theater kid vibes

[@corbeaudejugement]

his fanbase is rabid and will witchunt anyone who criticizes him

[@kendogyaboi6257]

I never heard of him before this video but the second mutahar pulled up his video with his voice changer I was like “is this a joke to this guy” and an hour later I can confidently say, yes. It is a joke to this guy.

[@andrewthomasprism9388]

1:07:40 Ah yes, the tried and true method of, "If I just get really fucking loud I'll win." Also can we just point out that Mutahar brought his fist down in that last Discord Call at the end? That is the scariest shit. Mutahar is a really goofy and really fun guy, so for him to be angry is so alien to me it's scary.

[@TuShan18]

After threatening to sue Mutahar for defamation, his channel and all his videos have been privated. He put a torch to everything. Make of this what you will, but it looks like it’s all over for Max. All I can do now is hope that if there are any victims of this Camden character, they see some actual justice, and find peace in what has happened to them. They deserve so much better than this.

[@ImMadds]

Max sitting on Spencer’s story for 3 years is crazy. Asking others to put their livelihood and careers on the line without any hard evidence is even crazier.

[@Nicholasmcmath-cr1xl]

Same

[@LeeLee1985Official]

Spencer Missing Person flyer is circulating Facebook now because a missing person group posted it years ago and now ppl found it, they are trying to contact her family because they think her family is still looking for her. They are in the comments trying to Tag her relatives saying she lives with mama max now

[@FuckTheYoutubeUsernameChange]

I feel really bad for her and the other survivors.

[@GrayFox_74]

Bro wants to straw man the argument but he’s trying to force people who are smart enough to not go in blindly.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

​​​@@FuckTheKZbinUsernameChangeAt this point I'm not sure they're "survivors" at all. I don't think Mutahar mentioned it but Max and Spencer have known each other since she was in kindergarten with his sister. What are the odds that a "pedophile hunter" would just happen to know someone who was the victim of a sensational werewolf/vampire pedophile cult? We already know he'll make thing up.

[@doctorgears9358]

“no pressure” while also simultaneously spamming you and trying to guilt you. truly a hero

[@uthmanibn-jafar1159]

Woahh... is that seriously him repeatedly racking the slide on a handgun??? 1:14:09 I'd recognize the sound anywhere. It produces a VERY distinct sound... and I'm about 99% sure that's exactly what we're hearing in this video. I listened to it multiple times.

[@sakuyaizayoi1945]

1:05:37 Holy shit, him pulling up a ChatGPT answer is comedic gold. The cherry on top of the shitpile. He honestly just entered his questioned, saw the answer and went; "Got him" Actual rebranding to Mamamoron

[@Jen_Bozo]

Someone has pointed out how he stopped the whole "dramatic" editing in a video where he was called out by his exes. So weird how Max is able to be "serious" in a moment where its about him but not about the victims he talks about. It just proved how much of an ego maniac he is.

[@FrontlineTrench]

Exactly, his editing is so cancerous too christ

[@AnarchoCatBoyEthan]

Oh god that’s a good point. How depressing.

[@redreaper3065]

I mean the dude (in my opinion) changed his name so that any criminal record/police records wouldn't pop up when you searched his name.

[@cybercat360_]

@@redreaper3065 that could be a possibility, but in that case you'd likely find statements about him from his victims using his old name. nobody has found anything like that (yet).

[@redreaper3065]

@@cybercat360_ there was a police report from his one ex that she filed for stalking or something along those lines. It seems to be the only accusation that holds water, since Max admitted he did creepy stuff towards his ex.

[@calamaria9221]

I still can't believe Max said "Why is it my job?" "Why are you putting it all on me?" Like he wasn't the one that was breaking the case to the public (poorly), put together an evidence server with all of the "victims", has all of the evidence (if there is any), moved one of the "victims" to his house and put her in charge of the money, and has been livestreaming and making videos about it.

[@Guitartabstoday]

and gatekeeper “the evidence” like making others sign a NDA nda isn’t enforceable anyway in this case, but max gets his legal advice from chatgbt so ofc he doesn’t know that

[@DriscolDevil]

@@Guitartabstoday Exactly. Him wanting to own the evidence to make his documentary shows what his motives are. Enforceable or not, his intentions are pretty clear.

[@hubguy]

Then his "accountability" video afterwards being treated like he had to be the one to take the case instead of going to an investigator? Really comes off like he's going all "hey look at me and all that I'm suffering through" but on the other side of his mouth begging everyone else to do the work with/for him

[@XainArchives]

The evidence is years old, this isn't new.

[@DriscolDevil]

@@XainArchives What evidence? What has been out there for years that everyone missed?

[@petrolhead0387]

His channel is now hidden when you search for it. You can still find it if you search for a specific video, but it looks like he's slipping away from view.

[@magsbitch]

he’s deleting all these videos too 😭😭 check his channel they are already gone

[@chocoliatte9385]

Readily appears on Google though 😂

[@gamerhex7335]

Max sounds like an actual cult leader. He has such a savior complex. And with how he talks, I wouldn't be surprised if HE was himself a predator.

[@Revenant-oq9ts]

Remember when Max's exes tried to go after him? His response was zero theatrics and he did a straight and uncensored talk about the situation. Far cry from how he treated this situation. Extremely disrespectful.

[@ramibee]

So true!! It's always theatrics until it's about him, the "important guy".

[@navb0tactual]

ethics for me but not for thee

[@ashedaces]

forgot about that, great point

[@jasonvargas7564]

MolesterMax

[@jacek45]

im starting to believe his exes were on to something, they provided more evidence then he did here

[@SummikkiTanuki_s]

I always found people who claim themselves as "PDFile hunters" and then have a patreon for UNCENSORED content of the case absolutely sketchy.

[@HeatherHolt]

Ew, what. Idk why I’m surprised someone would do this. But I am.

[@porkyonfroy8338]

Other than predator poachers. Their work at least leads to arrests more often than not

[@DaemonJerky]

​@@porkyonfroy8338 charges almost never go through for any of these virtue signaling weirdos. Doing this for entertainment is literally always irresponsible

[@hanksyflamework]

@@DaemonJerky totally agree. any decent human wouldn't even take this content to an online public space. this guy is clout chasing nothing more at this point and that voice changer approach to address a comment feed is just cringe, he needs to get help from mental health professionals.

[@noahboat580]

The only people that i pay to see this kind of thing early is DAP (dads against predators), and they were even on VICE exposing the growing pedophilia problem. People can say its sketch but there's no alternative to really expose these monsters besides directly and with cameras, and not alone too. One of DAPs guys got shot, a veteran might i add, and this man nicknamed Boopac got murdered exposing one on his own. Its a problem that should become more relevant, but not in a 😾 vaneer that mamamax conjured-up. 'More of a 'DAP's gonna find you' kind of way

[@Footwater]

the way max goes about his "research" is the same way i would go about my school work. not trying, not understanding, just put it in and hope for the best.

[@MaliciousCat]

'Grrr! My Name is MAX... I use a deep voice synth to make me sound SCAARY and Intimidating! Ggrrr deep bear voice!' LOL!

[@TheDoctorMD]

Appreciate Muta's restraint when Max said "ChatGPT understands the legal system."

[@MavvodoHall]

I feel he's trying to save himself a fucking stroke

[@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63]

I kinda got lost in the timeline. Did that call happen after the lawyers got blasted for citing cases from chatgpt? Because if so, that really is the greatest take.

[@SaintShion]

​@@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63Zachariah Crabill; lawyer who was fired after he used ChatGPT at work cause it was making up fake lawsuits. But sure, Ig chatGPTs got the law system figured out

[@andrewthomasprism9388]

Bro he brought his fist down and my heart skipped a beat. Mans was getting angry at Max.

[@PointsofData]

FUN FACT: there are several instances of lawyers citing fake cases given to them by chatgpt and losing their own case because of it. _Several._

[@kkuudandere]

I hate to be That Person because it's so easy to say this after the fact but... I'm so glad everybody is on this guy's throat lmao. I watched one video of his years ago, and while I could appreciate someone covering the topic, the dramatics were too much for me. It's like he just loves hearing himself talk. Couldn't finish another one lol

[@cleanserene6330]

The fact that his first thought of legal remedy was civil action, contacting a lawyer about suing, (w no police report, timeline, evidence, etc, nada) not criminal caught me up short. I thought i had misunderstood the exchange. Then he admitted that in 5 years of predator hunting he knows NOTHING of the criminal justice system or police procedures. Maybe its just because i know so much about the CJS, but i found that astounding. I mean, watching a couple episodes of TCAP could give you more info than he had in his head. So in 5 years, he's caught no one. Done nothing. (Hasn't had time to review a few ppls evidence or create a timeline; what exactly HAS he been doing? That is the bare minimum info he should have. If they went to a real live lawyer he probably couldn't believe it either. And well, considering he says it's fake, he can't exactly make a false police report.) And it's not like predators are hard to find. Look in the comment section of kids' content. Look at family youtubers who give their infants gratuitous, unnecessary midday baths and discount/deflect the notion AI has turned their children into CP movie stars. Look in the newspaper, who is facing allegations. In the society pages, who runs trafficking charities? Read Hollywood gossip blind items. Look at obituaries; I have read obits w crazy red flags that screamed predator. If you know what to look for you can't NOT see it. The hard part is what to do to actually help, and doing it. But its everywhere. And it takes 5 minutes to learn about basic police procedures and response. There is zero excuse for ignorance. He is a white knighter playing at savior. His sickening letters praising and threatening every A to D list pseudo celebrity, asking for help (but really a collab for clout), thinly disguised and blatantly manipulative, are too much. He is a caricature of himself. He has set himself up for a heap of trouble, though, if alleged werewolves hire lawyers. *START interviewing police. Like it just occurred to him he was supposed to have another move, an end game, something besides theatrics. Like what DO you do w these predators you catch? Let them flee the country, because it was fake to begin with? People are what they obsess over, where their mind spends it's time. People tell you who they are. (And I'm sorry, but Spencer and co have no case, no matter what happened. Max came out and said it was ALL supposed to be seen as fiction except for what, a photo? It doesn't matter. A defense attorney only needs Max's own evidence on creating this situation. No case. Unless he gets sued.)

[@lepidodendr0n]

as a csa victim who used to support him, this situation hurts. i always assumed his content was just a little overdramatized for awareness and viewer retention, not completely made up.

[@culturebreath369]

Same. I started feeling off about it after awhile but never expected all this.

[@chanr9531]

This is why you shouldn’t present such serious topics in these ARG style and just be normal with it. I don’t know how so many people overlooked Mamamax’s presentation style of such a sensitive topic for so long

[@gimpinainteasy]

I even subbed to his Patreon…

[@nickh4354]

I had always looked at him as a really motivated person to put eyes on harming children and the struggles that some kids go through... then some recent weird streams and videos made me question how much all of this has to do with the actual problems, and how much is just put on for show

[@DexxusAndres]

Same to all of it, it sucks

[@theblob4741]

What’s crazy is the “I didn’t want to do this alone,” “why do I have to do this? Why me?” WHEN HE’S THE ONE WHO STARTED THIS SHIT AND WANTED TO DO IT ON HIS OWN. Absolutely wild and unbelievable.

[@pinkpaperheart]

That's why he wanted a high-profile ytuber to join in his delusional witch-hunt. That way he can loudly proclaim that 'he' was the one who brought the case to light.

[@pinkpaperheart]

@@jermy874 to palm it off someone else. He's just a lazy person with low-motivation. Averaging 2 vids/year uploads, I didn't know splicing artsy/edgy clips makes someone a filmmaker. What a joke.

[@R_S747]

He thinks he's the chosen protagonist of a movie

[@ona512]

That voice filter goes to his head

[@PotawatomiThunderNew]

Yeah out of everything he said, him asking why it’s his job to get the story out is what left me absolutely dumbfounded. I just cannot believe he actually said that. Why is it your story, Max? BECAUSE YOU’RE THE ONE BREAKING THE STORY! Max is the bringing this story to the forefront and shedding light on it. He’s the one supposedly talking to the victims, he is the one supplying the information here. He made the choice to take on the story as his project. For him to ask why it’s his job has to be one of the most incompetent things he has said throughout this. And then for him to try to brush off that responsibility and say he’s only the first one to talk about it but doesn’t want to be the only one to talk about it… dude… you are the one talking to the victims, you are the one pushing this story, and you’re not giving any information. Besides Spencer’s account of what happened with her, there is no information about any of this for people to work with, and that’s because you didn’t give any. Now it all makes sense to me. Because before this whole shit show, I felt like I was waiting for the ball to drop or something. Max put out the first video about it, and when I watched it, I came out feeling like that wasn’t the story, but just a precursor to it. It felt more like a teaser trailer. He identified Camden and made the claims but didn’t actually give information about what happened. I came out of it feeling like it didn’t really “begin” yet. Now I know it’s because Max himself didn’t even know any information. He really made 3 whole videos about it without even fully knowing the ins and outs of the story himself.

[@ReinKayomi]

People calling pedos as "PDF Files" is the most Reddit shit ever

[@omega1231]

I don't get it, is it because "pedophile" is a banned word or just because, I mean, I've never been on reddit lol

[@kennyl4699]

@@omega1231 KZbin has been to known to demonetize videos with the words "evil" or "kiss" in the title, so I don't see why not for a video with "pedophile" in the title.

[@AgentXaos]

it's specifically a youtube thing - they have to say it to get around demonetization. No one cares what you say on Reddit.

[@aaaaaaaa-gu1md]

i thought it was because you can get demonetized or your comments would get deleted

[@ReiAnikaAyanami]

it's really, really annoying to have to censor yourself this way when talking about serious topics, but yt wants this to be a ~child friendly space~ so bad words like that are a big no-no. i love being treated like and having to treat others as though we're all little babies.

[@AbaratFox]

this was a great and informative video. The only critique I have would be to suggest adding subtitles to the discord calls because it was difficult to track who was saying what with so much crosstalk

[@FrostRare]

Max the type of dude to display himself opening an audio file that contains the desperate cries of a child getting SAd and then insert a clip of himself acting all sad and disturbed, just to make sure you know he hates pdfiles . What a bold stance man! Hating pdfiles takes a lot of guts.

[@alphakevin687]

Also the clip of him being sad is necessary since he is the type of homie of finding stuff like this funny.

[@asherville]

he did something like that with an abimal abuse video, didnt he? inexplicitly put the audio clip of a puppy being abused and afterwards does his "... what sick human would do this." thing? i swear ive watched the video and got disturbed by the audio and it made me avoid any and all of his content

[@asherville]

alright i found the video in question being puppystomp and im still baffled he included it in the first place. even with a small disclaimer, its still in horrendous taste to add that. i havent watched enough of his content (frankly because his editing leaves a bad taste in my mouth and the way hes handled these things) to know if he consistently adds clips of the other forms of abuse he covers but its sickening that he would even consider putting the videos and media he's crusading against into his own work and putting it out there for his thousands upon thousands of fans to see and hear

[@B-zk9bt]

@@ashervilleI remember that video, it made me psychically sick.

[@ammagon4519]

I've watched enough of his video to know this is real

[@nat2501]

It’s funny how Max sees himself as a cult destroyer when in the process he’s created a cult-like environment himself. He’s made these victims feel like he’s their saviour from their previous traumas, and uses them to make content. Then he tries to intensely recruit people for his cause. He’s using the exact “charismatic leader” tactics he claims to be against and has surrounded himself with vulnerable women that he now has power over because he quite literally won’t leave the case in the hands of the police

[@gangstarock2455]

I mean he literally changed his KZbin name to GodCult once lol The guy is crazy

[@weedle4521]

Surviving a cult and having severe trauma but the guy who’s trying to help you renamed his channel “godcult” and is recruiting people?!?!?

[@cookie5535]

what "victims"? There are no victims, just crazy accusations and zero evidence. You insane?

[@thantrus]

Takes a cult leader to oust a cult leader i suppose.

[@Brandon-vd7er]

I don't think you are understanding.. there are no victims here.. These people are all fake

[@intensechirps1676]

This was only 3 months ago? I could've sworn it's been at least a year

[@technicallymetal6775]

Coming back to this video after two weeks and a shit ton of videos later, I'm reminded of a pastor that i knew that said "if you want to know what sin a preacher is guilty of, find the one they preach hardest against". Im not saying that Max is a pedophile cult leader, but he does have a pretty intense crusade against them and employs a lot of the tactics he talks about

[@chanr9531]

Mamamax is the perfect textbook example of someone with main character syndrome and a saviour complex. So deluded in his own head of how much of a hero he is he inevitably imploded his own career.

[@michaelstacksonfourtwenty4398]

I'm both of those u mentioned. I'm main character and the savior. Except it's really my life. 😂

[@asmodeus673]

i hate that he gained a following of SA survivors and took advantage of their trust to witch hunt innocent people in the cases he (horribly) covers.

[@gimpinainteasy]

Me being one of them. This has broken my heart. He wanted fame more than helping people. When he did his expose on defending himself. Is about when I started to see the cracks in his mentality.

[@cammyman32]

@@gimpinainteasyI’m so sorry that you had to deal with that.

[@dylanlloyd4483]

I hate that the only reason it was possible is people like Muta and Nexpo glazing him while not even watching the vids lol.

[@kelcieb.498]

I totally forgot Nexpo was involved in helping Max gain a following! I wonder if he will speak on this or distance himself from Max... if not, it shows his true character.

[@chanr9531]

His actions with his audience is giving me huge cult vibes with the way he takes vulnerable young people who suffered SA and weaponizes their trauma and emotions to do his bidding and to financially support him. Also him calling his audience his “children” in that larping batman voice was not only giga cringe but also creepy and throws up like 20 red flags.

[@COctagons]

Once upon a time I liked this guy's videos. Thought his edgy bit with staged gore and ***SCARY DARTH VADER VOICE*** were somewhere between an anonymity thing and a bit of catharsis for those of us that would actually mulch one of these creeps if we could get away with it, but after he switched from baiting to "reporting," and didn't drop the bit, he started coming across as either egomaniacal, naive, or actually out of touch with reality. I continued following him after he returned from hiatus to see if that crazy video was actually setting-up for a punchline, but it turned out the only joke was him. I'm interested in what the FBI are watching him for, though. If you're a certain kind of villain, there really is no better way to hide in plain sight than to dress-up as one that hunts them.

[@TheAdrift]

I feel weirdly proud of myself for seeing Mamamax’s video pop up on my Recommended back when it had the “greatest cancellation of all time” title, I looked at that title and thought “ehh, that’s probably clickbait. I’ma skip that one.” It came back up a few more times, and each time I thought to myself “hmm, is my suspicion about this an example of me being media-savvy, or is it my bias talking because I like penguinz0?” Then this video came out and I had my answer 😅 Thanks to you and Nick for making the world a less click-baited place.

[@zucumberzeez]

I unsubscribed from MamaMax after he rebranded his channel to GODCULT because I was tired of him calling out innocent creators and he just became cringe, but I didn't know the rabbit hole got this deep. It's very unfortunate seeing another creator I used to enjoy utterly ruin their career. Edit: I realize now that he's always been cringe, but I ignored that when I was still subbed to him.

[@pentexsucks43]

"became cringe?" His hotline Miami larping and pitch shifted voice wasn't already???

[@chanr9531]

@@pentexsucks43 yeah, this is what I’m not getting with so many people claiming he’s only cringe recently. He’s always been cringe, even in his early pre-predator catcher days (though he seemed more grounded and maybe a little more tongue in cheeks about his cringe back then). And when he started making his predator catcher content, his edgy pretentious content with him larping as batman using the voice changer calling his audience his “children”, if you didn’t think that was full on cringe, then I assume you’re just really young because one can reasonably see a kid finding this cool or captivating, but if you’re an adult, there’s no way you don’t find that shit cringe.

[@zucumberzeez]

​@@pentexsucks43In hindsight, he was always cringe, but his editing and story telling was what I used to enjoy about his content. Eventually the cringe became too hard to ignore, though.

[@zucumberzeez]

​@@chanr9531I realize that he's always been cringe now. I explained myself in my other reply.

[@JadedBelle]

​@@zucumberzeezDude, I agree with you. He also came across in the older days as eccentric and empathetic. Yeah, it's been over for a while now, eh?

[@stevencurtis7157]

When Max framed it as _"if you don't agree you're probably a predator"_ it was a big red flag, but I dismissed it as his weird theatrics.

[@daneelaart]

i did too, i thought this was leading up to some reveal, but that never happened

[@antonydrossos5719]

That kind of speech is simple bullying and virtue signalling

[@nman551]

Yeah when I saw that I was like “nope I don’t trust this guy.”

[@flamedramon68]

Don't forget how he threw a pity party when people asked for evidence and he was like "I can't believe you guys would ask for proof, people don't listen to victims anymore" like???

[@NoHateLikeChristianLove]

@@antonydrossos5719Bullying maybe. But I don’t know if it’s virtue signaling.

[@Potte]

It's extremely heartening to see the Internet demand proper scrutiny instead of grabbing pitchforks and hopping on a bandwagon. It's one thing to listen to victims, it's another to ignore the burden of proof and treat accusations as convictions. I understand the visceral hatred and fear people have of predators. I don't want children to be victimized, but I also don't want self-appointed internet sleuths leading amateur witch hunts that lead to more situations like the death of Sunil Tripathi. Mob mentality literally kills people, and the presumption of innocence is the backbone of a just and functioning society. We can't afford to forget that.

[@redaffix7320]

Ironic that he bashes AI, then used ChatGPT to try to placate to someone asking if he talked to a lawyer for legal advice. Dude is unbelievably stupid, whether he's telling the truth about the cult and Spencer or he isn't. Edit: "he" being Max, of course.

[@zachdrozs2938]

That series of outbursts around 1:13:00 was the icing on the cake for how he operates. - Yells at Muta for not blindly supporting him - Yells more about how he didnt want to be the one to finish what he started - Got a victim to try and guilt Muta into investigating - refuses to understand the burden of evidence falls to him and what he has isnt evidence and would be about as secure as a tissue house in a F5 Tornado

[@user-xc9fj6vz9v]

"But ChatGPT said that what Spencer and co say is al the evidence they need to convict". He is not living in the real world, and that emotionelle blackmail he tried on Mutahar in the call is so so nasty, so glad Nick heard that and called Max out, like wtf, both Spencer and Max is bad ppl, they use that emotionelle shield as blackmail all the time.

[@infinitecurlie]

This!

[@leebug3424]

That whole call was embarrassing. He used Spencer like an attack dog.

[@o.o1858]

his only criticism of others and his only defense of criticisms of him are "wHat aBoUt tHe cHildRen"

[@henryvlubaiv8628]

@@o.o1858 and the response to that should be "what children?" since he has literally shown NO evidence of a child being involved in a crime

[@organpool]

Max is the type of guy to think he’s a vigilante and frame himself as a hero, when really he is nothing but a power hungry, virtu-signaling individual.

[@lasskinn474]

money. it's about money.

[@rapu4]

​@@lasskinn474isn't it always

[@lasskinn474]

@@rapu4 well not always there's tons of small 'activist' type of channels where the endgame isn't really money, rather it's raising awareness of some scam or scammer for moral reasons and/or because it's just an interesting subject and/or because(more rarely) the scam/scammer are just really, really really funny.

[@Blisterdude123]

Spare me from influencers, KZbinrs, streamers, online content creators with an overinflated sense of their own self-importance. LARPing maroons.

[@FzLPxL]

he tries soo hard to look cool with his "style" of editing and the cringe voice he's doin😂 even in his apology video where he is supposed to be real and honest, he still come across like a theater kid acting his sad puppy face. a performative narcissist

[@otakuamerican5190]

I think it’s honestly the voice filter and it being just him talking into the mic is what really makes this situation so fucking weird. Like that’s a filter you use for a png KZbinr or something

[@dagda1180]

It's like a very specific ASMR vibe or a 2010 retelling of a creepypasta. For someone of my age, it just seems incredibly poor.

[@Over_Toasted]

Why does Max's voice change in every other video? Sometimes it's the terribly pitched "spooky" voice. Sometimes it's a higher pitch nerdy sounding voice, and other times it sounds like the "spooky" voice just a little less deep.

[@ammagon4519]

Because he has that voice modulator thing in his videos for "character", but obv his real life voice sounds like a nasally nerdy cowboy.

[@JenericJ_12]

I think the best way to describe how important this was to Max is to ask him the question "if this did indeed go to court and you had to testify on the witnesses behalf would you ask the judge if you could testify with a voice changer?"

[@na-vn5qy]

'no? well then can i at least have a schizophrenic powerpoint presentation playing behind me?'

[@error-try-again-later]

LMAO

[@jasonvargas7564]

“At least let me put up a board that says ‘disclaimer for legal reasons: everything I am about to say is a lie. Please take this as a work of fiction. Any names and incidences that align with actual people and events are coincidental. Enjoy’ but I want people to still know that when I’m not doing my edgy cringe voice, it’s fake and when I am doing the edgy cringe voice, it’s real, except when it’s not real which you’ll be able to tell because of the cringe theatrics which name actual criminals, so you’re going to have to ignore the disclaimer about names being fictional, except when it is fictional when it comes to the cringe theatrics because entertainment and such”

[@zombieasskicker1307]

​@@jasonvargas7564what a read, lmao

[@Babyclownn]

I can’t stress how much those predator hunter channels harm investigations. Not only do they walk, but now they are way more cautious. They are basically a trial run for these guys.

[@misnmer9224]

Maybe the real issue is predator lawmakers making it so complicated

[@italienn]

I disagree. Plus its great when they off themselves from shame.

[@TravisJS399]

There's a reason being a vigilante is illegal because when you don't know what the fuck you're doing it's all for naught.

[@Pateramalina]

on the other hand .. what investigations

[@misnmer9224]

@TravisJS399 you could quite literally offer screen recordings of a predator talking to a very convincing minor decoy, and it will be deemed "inadmissible" due to it merely being a third party from law.

[@Slitherliten]

I had to physically pause the video when he pulled up that chatgbt screenshot 😭

[@vulgartech9192]

This is like a cop forgetting his single greatest collar; forgetting who the witnesses are, where it took place, etc. Dirty cops have that problem routinely, selective amnesia.

[@ThisGuy-12vz]

Ain’t no way he consulted ChatGPT for legal advice. This has to be the most elaborate joke, right? There’s no way he wants us take this seriously. Max has truly baffled me with that.

[@error-try-again-later]

Apparently he's now going on about "the singularity" when it comes to AI?? I genuinely think he's having some kind of episode.

[@kaibird542]

“AI is awful and will destroy humanity!!” *consults ChatGPT about legal definitions*

[@ThisGuy-12vz]

If Max does sue Muta. I can only imagine Max walking into the courthouse with a laptop open and ChatGPT on the screen. “Your honor, meet my lawyer.”

[@jewellier]

What a nice time to be on KZbin. People quit either because they're exhausted or because they are being exposed as a massive fraud

[@AnotherOrdinaryGamer]

having just come out of a rewatch of matpat's goodbye video this especially rings true to me rn

[@AgsmaJustAgsma]

Either you die a hero, or live long enough to commission a 50K softcore fantasy animation.

[@gabrielchin4161]

​@@AgsmaJustAgsmathank you for reminding us of the third option

[@Azazantei]

​@@AgsmaJustAgsmaNah man 💀

[@softback132]

@@AgsmaJustAgsma lol

[@natashamurray66]

spencer just seems like a person you can't trust

[@mojavecourier6987]

Also I find it very strange that a grown man named his channel with Mama in it. He doesn't do family friendly content so it's just a very weird name to pick.

[@OyVeey]

Yeah he referred to his subs as "my children". As with everything he did, it was hard to tell how much of it was him playing a character, but it's hard to think of any charitable interpretations when someone deliberately cultivates an audience of CSA survivors and calls them his children.

[@erectilereptile7383]

Imagine turning alleged CSA and grooming into an ARG. Max is an obsessed freak. Wouldn’t be surprised if he was a creep.

[@quaygrass6212]

He is, he admitted to stalking a girl he had never even dated and cutting the name of her boyfriend into his arm, and on top of that he later accused that man of being a predator with absolutely no evidence. We have no reason to believe Max anyway, as that’s very personally motivated and clearly he has a grudge if he blames them for calling the cops instead of reaching out after that video was sent

[@phenom...]

Turning alleged Confederate States of America and grooming into an Ancestral Recombination Graph?

[@DriscolDevil]

​​@@quaygrass6212do you have anything to back that up? Not trying to be mean, but that sounds very made up. I don't like the guy, and spreading bs will only hurt the credibility of his actual offenses. (Something his fanbase is very aware of)

[@quaygrass6212]

@@DriscolDevil in his video response to the allegations put forward by the 5 women, he admits that he stalked her and sent that video to her and her boyfriend. He also tried to frame it like they just didn’t understand him that they should have consoled him.

[@quaygrass6212]

@@DriscolDevil Magnetar was the boyfriend, and years later after a girl he never dated comes out against him for all the stuff he did to her, which me admitted to, he couldn‘t just do that. He made a false allegation with absolutely no evidence to be heard of against Magnetar/the boyfriend of the girl he stalked

[@CloverCutieASMR]

He took and continues to take advantage of sexual abuse victims to line his pockets. As a r*pe victim myself, I feel incredibly betrayed and heartbroken. He ACTIVELY took money from REAL victims while parading around a hero complex that was undeserved. He revictimized thousands of people. He stole money from victims and made us feel used and vulnerable all over again. I genuinely have the same pit in my stomach that I feel when thinking about my r*pe. I feel used just like I did before. What he did is sickening.

[@Mr.Seek420]

I am so sorry this has affected you so deeply. As a former subscriber of Max, I am also horrified and feel betrayed and lied to. If he could do something like this, it makes me reconsider all of the allegations his ex's made about him

[@xXluluchanelXx]

I really wish we could protect vulnerable people on YT from feeling like they can trust these self-made e-celebs over and over and getting disappointed and re-victimized all over again. it isn't people's fault but we can't keep acting surprised either..it's a problem. I hope you recover from the extra hurt he caused you

[@itneveroccurred]

This comment should be pinned

[@thegreatestfallout1794]

@@xXluluchanelXx Sad thing is, YT is an escape. Its all fantasy and quick dopamine to get away from what struggles we deal with. We come here expecting things to be surface value, with some intimate moments with watching something grow. Turns out, its all personas. It's hard for SA victims, because YT thrives off of the same thing r*pists do. Exploitation of your desperation to be away from whatever it was that was going on before you ran into them.

[@angeldeviltears]

i’m so sorry. i am also a r*pe survivor and i think what he did is incredibly cruel, wrong and unfair. i felt betrayed and heartbroken over other survivors and victims as well.

[@sophieriopel3793]

The voice modulator is SO INCREDIBLY CRINGE I cannot deal

[@smokingalcohol2945]

Even crazier is he's said thats his real natural voice before. I've been watching vids about this whole situation his voice makes it all so hard to watch i feel bad for anybody who has to listen to that shit

[@_.azzy.x]

I am 17 years old, throughout my childhood I suffered from 1 decade of ch1d 4bu§3 and 8 years of bullying, I was recently diagnosed with c-PTSD, and it is sad and disgusting to see people who use this kind of topics as entertainment, I wouldn't mind if they made a horror or entertainment type video with topics of this style, but when you use real cases, you don't provide evidence or misinformation and in addition to not clarifying that it is entertainment, you say that you are really trying to help... disgusting

[@henrikhumle7255]

"ChatGPT understands the legal system" Is the funniest thing I've heard anyone say in a long time. LegalEagle made a video on this ages ago. Actual lawyers have been disbarred for using ChatGPT, because ChatGPT will regularly just make up cases and cite them as sources in legal arguments. ChatGPT does not "understand the legal system." It doesn't "understand" anything. Half the time it's basically just procedurally generating actual gibberish.

[@rnpee]

Which is also funny considering Max had a whole bit about the dangers of AI contributing to exploitation. I mean, what do you expect from the guy who believes someone's MEMORY is enough to warrant as evidence?

[@henrikhumle7255]

Well, obviously Max operates on the principle of "rules for thee, not for me." In other words, his warnings about AI don't seem to apply when he's the one using it. And just to reiterate in case anyone's wondering; ChatGPT *cannot provide* effective legal counseling. It has been caught literally just fabricating cases and precedents. AI "hallucinations" are a fascinating but alarming issue that is rarely spoken of, even though a lot of people are excitedly rushing to implement AI tools and solutions into all aspects of everyday life. As an educator myself, I genuinely worry that the views expressed by Max - that AI can and should be trusted even in cases where its use is of real consequence to real people - are gaining a lot of traction; particularly among the young crowd that he appeals to, who seem increasingly convinced that you barely need any education whatsoever when an app can generate solutions for you.@@rnpee

[@alexwhite3959]

I tried using GPT to help remember the name of an obscure album (Jun Fukumachi - Starview) and at first it suggested real albums by similar artists, but it devolved into GPT suggesting albums that do not exist but really sound like they could exist, with album names that sound like the respective artist would come up with.

[@henrikhumle7255]

Yep. AI will do that and no one knows why. And that's why you still shouldn't use it as anything other than a glorified search engine, or at least verify what its saying. As an educator, I can comfortably say that we will know what you did if you start handing in papers full of random, made-up sources and citations. @@alexwhite3959

[@cometxcosmos]

@@alexwhite3959I did this trying to get help remembering the title of a game (underworld capital incident) and it did the same thing lmfao

[@nanosmokex6998]

Mutah does a better job warning us about scammers, malware, and viruses then Max does catching predators

[@Moe50k]

CORREECT

[@SpyroTheEternalNight]

bro i made a video back in 2021 warning people about a scam. it has 17 views. ............ *I'VE* done a better job warning people about scammers than Max has catching predators lol. literally 17 - 0.

[@marielcarey4288]

​@@SpyroTheEternalNight'fake mr beast giveaway' text on a black screen video less than a minute long 😭 bruh what did you expect

[@SpyroTheEternalNight]

@@marielcarey4288 where did i say i expected the video to get a lot of views?

[@cl_0wnery235]

well thats a given, considering mutahar knows what hes actually doing

[@Legomaster-jv8ll]

I know I’m late but, here’s what pisses me off the most. From investigation to the final verdict, you cannot screw anything up. Like you said, The instant you go public, you’re on a timer. They can destroy evidence, fabricate alibi, and think about counter-arguments. And if they do, now you have potentially less evidence to work with. Evidence can be thrown out due to technicalities. If it was obtained illegally, or might’ve been handled improperly, you could easily have it be dismissed and inadmissible. Convincing the jury isn’t going to be a cakewalk either. You’ll need to convince them that the events happened, and the moment you bring up that it involved a werewolf cult, you’re probably already losing the jury. All of this is important to get right the first time. Think of the quote “if you come for the king, you beat not miss”. Because if you fail to convince all 12 jury members, then that’s it. They escaped justice. You don’t get a redo. The victims will never get justice for their experiences. Even if they eventually get arrested for future charges, it could’ve been stopped. Even if they get convicted of 3 criminal counts, it could’ve been 4. It’s not, potentially because of how Max handled it. That’s what pisses me off. If max genuinely cared, then go to the freaking police.

[@alphons1456o]

The Kirby facebook post is a sign he's a predator? Someone tell Egorapter and Ninja Sex Party the news, since they had a whole ass song about smashing Kirby.

[@ninaniles3184]

That “I’m out” was heartbreaking, knowing how he lost someone he deemed a friend due to this whole situation, that sucks man, truly

[@joog79]

Exactly that, admire his strength to put his principles before emotions.

[@wouldntulike2knoe]

It makes me visibly frown

[@Bluey2600]

@@joog79muta’s always been an example to follow when it comes to ethically navigating a youtube career, but man, it sucks that he has to lose people like this. the man works hard, pity to see him go through hardship for it.

[@crystalwhisp]

​@@vorbo01 God this is such a an insensitive way to respond to this comment. Having Internet friends isn't an issue as long as you're safe about it. Muta trusted Max to be a good person and Max betrayed that. It was NEVER mutas job (or anyone else's for that matter) to somehow predict Max's awful shitshow happening, stop with the victim blaming garbage please.

[@crystalwhisp]

@@vorbo01 look man if your main argument for being against Internet friends is that it's "cringe" then I don't think we have anything to say to each other at this point just please try to consider Muta wasn't the only one negativily affected by this bs, that real people who have been preyed on by predators looked up to Max because of his nasty hero facad. Not everyone is as "enlightened" as you are. Have a nice life.

[@morecoffeeplease2745]

Max has finally admitted that he was too busy to investigate Spencer's allegations for three years because he was busy fictionalizing his other investigations. Spencer was present in the call when he admitted this, and she's not immediately offended?! It is probably the biggest insult one could give to a victim, yet she is going to continue supporting him and be used like a tear-jerking prop at the end of his "accountability" video. She seems to care only when it's convenient financially.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

Max and Spencer have known each other since she was in kindergarten with his sister. I suspect she might not be a victim at all.

[@weedle4521]

I can definitely understand being a victim and hanging onto the one person you feel like is the only one trying to “fight for you”. (If that’s the case I hope someone actually gives them the proper legal help and a voice and they realize how awful max is treating their case and them) not saying your wrong tho mama max is so fucking unpredictable at this point 💀

[@hithisthers7214]

From what I understand, Spencer and Max have a relationship with years of history. I'm unsure if it was romantic or platonic, or if she is even truly a victim or just playing it up for Max. If her story is true, Max is the one trivialising it and making people question the story

[@ericbyo9472]

​@@hithisthers7214 The fact that you even entertain the idea that it might be true is baffling to me. Of course it's all bullshit, how naive are you?

[@hithisthers7214]

@@ericbyo9472 We don't know the full story. There is still room for lots of assumptions and speculation. It is a possibility that Spencer is a victim of assault and there are some elements of truth within the lies. We just don't know. Mamamax is obviously a liar and is full of shit, but Spencers involvement is still a blurry aspect.

[@L333ny]

"You can't tell your story anymore" AS A SA VICTIM THAT ACTUALLY PISSES ME OFF. Due to the fact that this is a serious claim and if you wanna seek justice YOU HAVE TO GET EVIDENCE.

[@snowarmth]

There was something I found odd about Max's decisions. He claimed to have gotten a P arrested, he's leading the case alone without law enforcement and he is still trying to get very large community pillars to back him. These things tell me that he essentially wants to be his own private detective, the smartest person in the room who managed to crack the case alone. He wanted to save these people himself so he can have all the credit, and unfortunately, he wanted the fame from doing it himself, hense the reaching out to larger creators. I'm worried that these things mattered so much to him that he didn't take the case to officials who could get actual substantial evidence on the supposed P while he would be unaware he was being investigated, that or he may have overestimated his abilities and their ability to gather evidence. The situation just doesn't add up for him, but if you think about how he acts with regards to those who are larger than him denying him assistance, I think you can start to see how that starts to click with all the other signs we are seeing from him. I'd also add that seeing that the victim insisted he cover her story and willingly waited multiple years for him specifically, and she is supposedly his close friend, I'm skeptical that any of this is actually real. She wouldn't just allow this person to abuse other victims for Max to take his time, it doesn't seem to sense from a struggling, traumatized victim to willingly subject others to her torment. It's hard to believe considering his previous arrest didn't exactly happen... Nobody asked me, but it would be irrational to give the benefit of the doubt here. This doesn't make sense, and he's pretending.

[@BeastLordofMetal]

What sickens me is when people treat social media stars as heroes and get surprised and shocked to turn out when they're narcissists. NEVER worship a celebrities or e-celebrity. They're just humans.

[@error-try-again-later]

Always remember that they're not your friends and you don't know them beyond what they want you to see.

[@ThePosseEGS]

I’ll admit like I never looked deep into Max but idk just , ig it ultimately fell on copium but I just hoped there was someone out there doing something

[@Tehrawrzorz]

I've never understood how deep people get into the parasitic creator/viewer relationship. I've never felt the need to identify myself with a creator.

[@notveryintelligent6239]

Bad habits die hard

[@chillstoneblakeblast3172]

Yeah, I don't even worship Mutahar. his content is bearable at best

[@imperialtutor8687]

Mamamax’s weird apology video was the last straw. Calling everyone who was dunking on him a transphobe was laughable and idiotic. This guy lost the plot.

[@bennitori4]

I'm sorry, what????

[@TheVenhammer]

@@bennitori4yeah i have literally no idea what max is talking about, i dont think any of the victims are trans

[@lechant7991]

Wait did he actually call everyone Dunking on him a transphobe

[@everyone1liesd459]

​@@lechant7991That transpobe defensive strat only works on Twitter he should've known that 😂😂

[@fleetstreet11]

The Woke like Max always go for the "you're all just transphobic bigots" card when justifying themselves. They use false non-existent identities to hide behind, to make themselves look like victims, because they don't think they need to change and thus they always blame society for their own issues.

[@222daley]

There’s a list of things wrong with Max and Spencer both legally and economically. Spencer admitted to crimes, Max unknowingly might have passed the statute of limitations, extortion, fraud, witness tampering all of this is allegedly by the way. Max uses emotional blackmail on his friends. He’s clearly unhinged by his responses. Spencer is a master manipulator. Her crying because no one wants to talk to the other victims seem like a tatic to me but admittedly I’m not an expert.

[@Shamman_komanch]

It's so hard to take him seriously with that horrendous voiceover, and ARG bullshit. And its downright disgusting considering the subject.

[@dagda1180]

Exaactly! His regular voice is more than enough.