A Divided Island - Cyprus

June 2002
Cyprus proves to be one of the most difficult problem regions in Europe - yet it must be addressed in order for Cyprus to be part of the EU.
Produced by ABC Australia
Distributed by Journeyman Pictures

[@cypgeyez]

To all my Turkish and Greek brothers and sisters.. take a look at the map. Look who is in the middle of us? Before the English came The greeks and Turks were good friends, sharing tradtional foods, music, art. We again can become friends. PEACE TO ALL.

[@mustafa_ali_]

what are the right books to read are there any in the UK that I should read please could you let me know

[@Nick85greek]

btw just to inform you dear! do you know even from where does istanbul comes from???? it comes from Greek: eis tin poli. (to the city)

[@JIMY45GR]

The status of Northern Cyprus has become a recurrent issue especially during the recent talks for Turkey's membership of the EU where the division of the island is seen as a major stumbling block in Turkey's long road to membership.

[@greekvoice]

@cmacpar hi but are not all people there irish weather nationalist or unionist?

[@EGOKOGE]

Cyprus was a Greek colony for many thousand years now.... When Turkey decided to INVADE and DIVIDE this beautiful island in two parts, they also killed MANY Cypriots! There' s no any country named ''north Cyprus''. Cyprus is ONE, UNIQUE and totally GREEK! History doesn't change, the only thing we can do now is to Unite Cyprus into one and both sides live in peace under Greek Protection as it MUST be! I am totally convinced no matter what you all gonna say that guildy nations like Turkey will pay

[@73sebrougham]

it was pre planned by the turkish government in the 1950's the turkish cypriots and greek cypriots were friends and got along, everything was fixed, there were people sent to start conflicts in certain places which caused a stir. Not only did greeks suffer from the turkish invasion but turkish cypriots suffered also they were removed from there homes with force and moved to the north

[@CyGrGuy]

The UK and USA wanted bases on Cyprus, but the Greeks would not accept it, and rightfully so! The only way for these 2 countries to have bases there is to seperate the island and have bases on both sides so that they can "keep the peace". That way, if any trouble arises they can take one side and keep their base. That is why they still support the division, it will help them to fight in the middle east! This is Greek land, and has been for thousands of years. This will not change.

[@KAF172]

@savvas731 I know cyprus history better then you do. Initially there were 641 mixed villages 100 years ago. At 1974 only 41 mixed villages. How can you explain that?

[@draganserdar8140]

Greek Cyprus newer reunited with Turkish Cyprus, Turks invade the islands, and make their home, Turks must back to turkey and live the islands to Cyprus people

[@ttbb7342]

Try telling that to eoka

[@Vasilis719]

@AgartaliVaiz Their is a great book called "The exile" which outlines this topic in specifics. After the turks attacked Byzantium, many Greeks fled west and gave birth to the Rennisiance..for example, El Greco, the famous painter was from Crete, not Spain.

[@Nick85greek]

before Byzantine era in Cyprus which language was the people spoken????? tell me big historian.

[@napalmstrike66]

KKTC !!!

[@CyGrGuy]

@Gold50s Good job with the CyGrGay thing...must have taken you some time to come up with a creative response like that. Cyprus is not Greece, but it is Greek. Just like how Crete is part of Greece, Cyprus should be part of Greece. It has been Greek for thousands of years, and it should remain so. I don't see why you are giving my comment a thumbs down. Truth hurts?

[@williamdorrit3849]

Could the video resolution be any lower?

[@blackhatter011]

+William Dorrit yes

[@inferno0020]

Yeah, we need to find a solution that can benefit everyone.

[@erdal0]

We are taking revenge for Troy and HECTORRRRRRRR!

[@RinduSaudara]

It is unfortunate to read all those hateful comments. You cannot expect to see the island united again under the aegis of mutual distrust. On the other hand, the island was invaded because of the stupid initiative of a Greek Cypriot leader who had a very dark past, which suited well the intention of the military dictature in Athens. Castastrophy ensued and the innocent ones, as usual, pay the dearest price for the folly of a few. And, besides, I wonder who entitles the old colonial power, the very same guys who separated a "British" Gibraltar from Spain and still keep large areas if Cyprus as "eternal" British bases to come and give advise.

[@draganserdar8140]

Jaime GRyA Island don't need to be united ever, Turks come and occupied, the island, and if it not true, the world be recognised them, but nobody in the world want to recognise the Turks ,Turks are occupied, Cyprus Greek will never united with Turks,. If they are united, it will be BRIDGE for more Turks to come as transit to Europe,. That will be understand by Europe,t hats why Europe don't want Turks in Europe, and the world don't want Turks to be united ,ever ,Turks have just dream, to be united, and to be in Europe also just a DREAM, only,.

[@RinduSaudara]

Well, Dragan, leave it to the Cypriots to decide what they want to agree among themselves. As for Turkey, it is a great country and nobody hates her. Mustapha Kemal called "Attaturk" was one the world's greatest political leaders. His victory, which we celebrate now, at Gallipoli, is something memorable. As is his generosity in victory (that is why New Zealand dedicated him a monument of remembrance). There are many Europeans, you may include me, who would like Turkey join the European Union. Turkey is in NATO and his role during the Korean War is memorable. A different story is the Armenian genocide (my niece`s great grandfather, which I knew, when he was almos 100 years old survived the Syrian desert death march) is, like the Japanese cruelties during WWII, something that still need a sign of historic repentance.

[@Vasilis719]

@AgartaliVaiz..5 The conditions of law under turkish independance was that Greece or turkey could enter ONLY for the expressed purpose of "reinstating the state of affairs", of which the turks rounded up civlians and tried them under turkish military massacres, and NEVER LEFT. On August 14th, as peace talks were taking place in Geneva, and president Clerides asked for 36-48 hours to consult..the turks violated the conditions and attacked again..taking MORE than they asked for in Genenva.

[@Nick85greek]

During the late Bronze Age the island experienced two waves of Greek settlement.[37] The first wave consisted of Mycenaean Greek traders who started visiting Cyprus around 1400 BC.[38][39] A major wave of Greek settlement is believed to have taken place following the Bronze Age collapse of Mycenaean Greece from 1100 to 1050 BC, with the island's predominantly Greek character dating from this period.[39][40] Cyprus occupies an important role in Greek mythology being the birthplace of Aphrodite an

[@Nick85greek]

my god re dude as if there was chance not to know about the ottoman occupation. it is something we learn from elementary school.

[@Nick85greek]

i m really curious what you are gonna say now...

[@Nick85greek]

answer the question plz and enough keeding around. prior to 1453 to whom they belonged???

[@Yanni75]

@MrJason8109 Occupation is a funny matter to you is it ? For your information, Turkish colonists from the mainland are beginning to outnumber Turkish Cypriots, who formed about 18 % of the population at the time of the invasion and have been emigrating for some time, and Greek Cypriots (80%) voted against the plan because of those 40.000 FOREIGN troops remaining on the island without any guarantee that they would leave the island after reunification.

[@Andre2010]

In my point of view, not being a turk nor a greek myself, the only way to pacify the situation in cyprus is to follow the northern ireland and lebanon model: Joint rule between the 2 communities

[@TheOmoniadis]

we must stop arguing, i am greek cypriot and i have turkish cypriot friends, we must not be against each other, what has to happen is that we tell greece and turkey no to dictate to us all and to live in peace.

[@sekerim1]

The Cyprus Tapes by David Matthews ( a BBC journalist)

[@darkchief61]

@Cyppyrotechnist That's an easy question. It's because of the Cyprus Convention in 1878. Here the Ottoman Empire gave the British empire control over cyprus for the time being. And when in 1914 they left they left it with lot of christians (Greek-Cypriots). These thought it was their territory and so began the division of Cyprus. So originally Cyprus belonged to the Ottoman Empire (Turkey). And I conclude that actually, although they are in the minority, it belongs to the Turkish-Cypriots.

[@arabiandevil]

Great video..

[@blendin8685]

According to Encyclopaedia Judaica, one assertion that was commonly made by many Jews of Salonika was that Atatürk was of Doenmeh (crypto-Jewish) origin.

[@costas020287]

before greece cant involved ? the 1st people on the island wewre greeks theres no such things as cypriots. and secondly just out of curiosity whos greek mom or dad?

[@dingecibbs]

What the hell did they expect after the way they commenced the invasion? Of course retribution would come if the troops leave.

[@Vasilis719]

@AgartaliVaiz..4 After independance was bewing negotiated, the turkish goverment sent arms to the TMT to start conflict. Even after independance, the turks were given more of a share in goverment than their population constituted. 30% of civil service jobs were given to a people that constituted 18.3% of the population. The invasion of Cyprus by the turks was done with largley American weapons, of which the turks continued invasion after ceasefire was delcared(resolution 353).

[@MrNotebookguy]

Economics 101: Foreign investment is one of the signs which shows in a country that has stable and profitable economy. I was in Germany last week I have been to a meeting with the municipality of the city Köln. Half of the city has foreign investment and they are calling more and more. What are you a primary school graduate?

[@kaan_aksit]

Human nature is tricky, one day it seeks for division and the other day it seeks for unification....

[@Yianna2004]

well said my friend

[@JIMY45GR]

The Autonomous Republic of Nakhichevan (Azerbaijan) has issued a resolution recognizing Northern Cyprus' independence, but Azerbaijan has yet refrained to officially support this decision due to the Nagorno-Karabakh issue.[30] The European Union considers the area not under effective control of the Republic of Cyprus as EU territory under Turkish military occupation and thus indefinitely exempt from EU legislation until a settlement has been found.

[@losttribe]

Cyprus almost has the same division problem as Korea. Difference is 2 countries (Turkey and Greece) had caused Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots

[@revinhatol]

***** Cyprus belongs to Cypriots! Not British, not Greek, not Turkish, just pure CYPRIOT!

[@alexyflemming]

revin hatol CYPRIOTS!!!?? When one mentions a certain people as a nation, there appears at least one dominant character (religion, ethnicity, language, culture, etc.) in that people. What is the religion, ethnicity, language, culture of this "the" island "nation" pre-1571 and post 1571? Forget experts even beginners know that there is no "the" "nation" in Cyprus island. Pre-1571 it was "CatholicChristian/OrthodoxChristian", "Frankish&Italian/GreekCypriot", "Latin/Greek", "Latin/Helen"; post-1571 it was "Islam/OrthodoxChristian", "Turk/Greek", "Turkish/Greek", "Turk/Helen". There occurred lots of conflicts, struggles and wars for the last millenium within the people of Cyprus island since the people of Cyprus island is not a "nation". This way, Makarios (1st President of Rep. of Cyprus) emphasized the absence of "the" "nation" of Cyprus island!: "Donkeys: the only true Cypriots on Cyprus; there's only one living Cypriot in Cyprus and that is the Cypriot donkey" Makarios:"Donkeys: the only true Cypriots on Cyprus" Makarios: "Donkeys: the only true Cypriots on Cyprus" Makarios:"There's only one living Cypriot in Cyprus and that is the Cypriot donkey" www.thefreelibrary.com/Wild+Karpas+donkeys+at+risk+of+extinction.-a0217265508 cyprusgreenparty.blogspot.com.tr/2008/04/greek-and-turkish-cypriots-join-up-to.html core.kmi.open.ac.uk/download/pdf/44363.pdf%E2%80%8E

[@revinhatol]

Alexy Flemmings What? A donkey is a sign of democracy in the US.

[@Nick85greek]

the Greek orientation that had been prominent since antiquity developed the strong Hellenistic-Christian character that continues to be a hallmark of the Greek Cypriot community.[39](source: "Library of Congress Country Studies. ''Cyprus''". Lcweb2.loc.gov. Retrieved 1 November 2009.)

[@Nick85greek]

dude i m pissing off because you dont know anything. 5 min ago you said greeks were greedies because they try to take izmir? and i asked you before 1453 to whom all these territories belonged? you havent answered yet.

[@Nick85greek]

so finland was part of sweden eh? i wonder how would u feel if u were still part of sweden or part of soviet union. there is a greek saying "whoever is outside the dance knows a lot of songs"

[@jhoom71]

You keep striving for purification of your heart & your spiritual perfection.with a soul like yours you`re going to have to do alot of striving.Ho hum.

[@Vasilis719]

@AgartaliVaiz 1 million Russain rifles, 1 million mannlicher rifles, and 25,000 bayonets. Further quotes of assistance by the allies to the turks:"The Italians used their base in antayla to assit. Embittered by their loss of the Smyrna Mandate to the Greeks; they armed and trained turkish troops. The turks in the 2nd phase of the war receieved significant military aid from France and Italy". End of story..nothing left to debate on this issue. On to the next factors..

[@MrNotebookguy]

Turkey: GDP - real growth rate: 4.6% (2011 est.) country comparison to the world: 84 Unemployment rate: 10.3% (2011 est.) country comparison to the world: 115 Industrial production growth rate: 8.5% (2011 est.) country comparison to the world: 20 Greece: GDP - real growth rate: -6% (2011 est.) country comparison to the world: 214 Unemployment rate: 17% (2011 est.) country comparison to the world: 156 Industrial production growth rate: -6.9% (2011 est.) country comparison to the world: 165

[@lizziluv18]

Hi, I really love the island of Cyprus and that's why I'm posting, not because I want to criticize in all caps. I don't think Cyprus is Greek or British. I also can understand why Turkey wants to keep it's hold on the part of Cyprus they inhabit. Cyprus has a strategic placing that would benefit Turkey if a WW3 broke out, It's a great tourism area, and There is no more land on earth to be claimed. Also, Cyprus was an easy target in the 1970s.

[@Vasilis719]

Response 2: Both YOU and the Phoenician decendants use(or used) the Arabic alphabet, and had(or do) use the Greek and Latin alphabets. Why?. Because BOTH the turkic and Phoenician alphabets were less developed. The earliest Greek alphabet pre-dates the Greeks developement of the primitve Phoenician(linear A), as does the Minoan on the island of Crete. The Greeks developed a sophisiticated alphabet from primitve sources, while turks didn't do more than "adopt" others.

[@betostore]

50thousands ottoman turkss settled in cyprus that time. your population started to raise in late 18 hundreds, when ottomans rented the island to english than so many turks returned back to mainland turkey. by this time greek peopled started to settled in cyprus

[@mrh3tic]

if you forget history, history is doomed to repeat itself

[@Yanni75]

Just now I realized or again found out that there were many more significant, deeper flaws in the Annan plan. After reading the wikipedia page. Bottom line, foreign interests took precedence over Cypriot interests. It was a undemocratic solution even if both sides had voted yes.

[@bahadiralkes5837]

Guys.. forget a peace on Cyprus. We Turks don't usually leave an area where we sacrificed our lives for.

[@napalmstrike2007]

Turkey should have began with the peace conferences after taking the WHOLE cyprus. Noone could have stopped her, not even USA(well if they really wanted, ok but they wouldn't send hundreds of their soldiers to certain death for neither Greece, nor Turkey). After taking the whole island, Turkey shoud have given the half of it back to Greeks in return of the whole world recognizing northern cyprus.

[@christothebusker]

@ioanninapasgia I'm glad you said it! People always argue about it on KZbin and what you just said is what I've been saying for so long.

[@Nick85greek]

man i never said that. we were conquered by venetians, brits, ottomans, arabs, frags. I said CYprus was even before christ overwhelming greek. do you disagree of this? because it is not a top secret. is something you can find in wikipedia

[@ferruh91]

@JohnnieCYP anyway man just wanted to tell u guys that Cyprus is greek sentence is wrong... You can call it cyprus is for cypriots ( turkish and greek cypriots) or half and half or 66 to 33 for land division whatever u want but calling the island totally greek is wrong just wanted to mention that ... No problem with anything else

[@Nick85greek]

why is istanbul called Constantinople? by who re???? who was contastine????? what he was speaking??? arabic???? who build agia sophia???? who????

[@sekerim1]

It is true that EOKA did do things to Greeks as well thats why many did not speak against them. My mum was Turkish Cypriot. She grew up amongst both sides in Nicosia. her best work friend was a greek girl she spoke fluent greek. in the fifties when a grrek man was shot by a soldier she went to his aid and was verbally assaulted by the english soldier. There could and shoyld be peace but it means Cyprus HAS to be independent from BOTH countries and not say we own it or you dont own it etc..

[@ofri75]

@scarface1177 - all of the Turkish people in Cyprus came from Turkey and immigrated there.... The Greeks were the natural people on this island. Turkey used its brutality and its force and army to occupy it. If it's not against international law, how come NO country in the world recognize North Cyprus, not even the U.N. - only Turkey?

[@OKY1500]

I am very very sorry that Ottomans didnt have an assimilation policy that Greek friends would be talking in Turkish and be a muslim now and there would not be any problem in the island. Its a big mistake that Ottomans didnt see the future and attittute towards the MINORITIES in EMPIRE was tolerated.

[@Yanni75]

@RCCYP One of the main reasons why the UN plan failed is because the Turkish occupation troops were allowed to remain in place... indefinitely. What is it, 40.000 men strong now ?

[@Nick85greek]

i said i m from cyprus, so i guess you understood. My BA in Turkish and Middle Eastern studies and my MA in Greek turkish relations from Istanbul university make me kind of expert dont u think? Anwz here we go again. Ask me a straight question

[@Nick85greek]

you want me to tell you about tanzimat period? about lale devre? about top kapi? dolmabahce? ataturk??

[@Nick85greek]

man seriously. why dont you go on google and see threw english texts? really why dont you do it? if u dont believe me

[@Vasilis719]

@AgartaliVaiz What we are "discussing" are the "factors" of the war; and have VERY different views on what "pride" and "victory" are..to say the least:((((((

[@Obasiliasfilosofos]

@SuliemanTheGreat A paramilitary "terrorists" groups existed on both sides,EOKA wanted rule from Athens and TMT wanted the hole island ruled by Turkey. My grand parents were beaten and lynched by their Turkish neighbors and their shops looted and vandalized in Istanbul in 1955 (way before the Cyprus war happened), We Rumlars thought we were Turkish Greeks,Your military leaders saw us as the enemy within, If not for the 1955 pogroms, Greek Cypriots may not have scene you as the enemy within.

[@dervscool]

most of the people that leave comments on here are from greece or turkey they dont have anything to do with cyprus yet they are the cyprus biggest problems leave cyprus to the cypriots.

[@captaingoatbeard7]

13:52 - 14:02 Right on, brother.

[@Arshibold]

WTF?? Turkey has troops in Cyprus?? 'Davutoğlu also dismissed prospects that Greek Cyprus could offer military bases to Russia, again in return for a loan deal, saying this is against international law. “We are a guarantor state in Cyprus and we don't have a military base there. As far as international law is concerned, this [Russian bases in Cyprus] is not possible,”' -Todayszaman 28.3.2013

[@Nick85greek]

thank you. so it was ours?

[@Vasilis719]

Response 3: Certainly other great civlizations made great contributions; yet they were out developed by Greek advancement. Greek culture and civlization came to dominate those lands of Mesopatima(Greek word), and Egypt(Cleopatra was Greek). Nothing stopped those civilzations growth; they simply were outdone by the Greeks. That is history buddy; whether you like it or NOT.

[@thismandabest8397]

*CYPRUS FOR THE TURKISH CYPRIOTS*

[@mrhonest1302]

Watch... 1974 Cyprus Conflict Ambiguous Differences. shows Cypriots on both sides of the Island.

[@Vasilis719]

Response 1: If "apples and oranges" was the case, we'd all be equal, and your people would be able to benefit from a nation MUCH larger and with MUCH more resources than Greece; as well as being one of the most important strategic post for U.S. foreign policy and defense. You simply made the point even MORE clear by debating harsh locations, and using examples of harsh climates such as Egpyt. YET , they had a great civilization and alphabet, and the turks didn't(and still don't).

[@Vasilis719]

@AgartaliVaiz If you look up "Greco-turkish war 1922" on wikipedia, you will read the specific factors and amounts of support offered by Italy, France, and Russia. You can check the sources as well, or look up any other ones. This isn't up for debate, it's historical fact that your kemalist "education" doens't want to advertise.

[@selenitatr]

dont believe all what is said to you at school. be realistic, even Turkey did not show any dissaggrement to given you lots of the islands as you wanted, even though they were more close to Turkey than Greece and there were turkish people living there, only not Cyprus as a whole land wanted to be given. cause it third biggest of mediterranean, important and closet one to Turkey. so look a bit from our side.

[@ferruh91]

@Cyppyrotechnist First of all Ottoman empire ruled the island from 1571 to 1878 thats obviously more than 50 years... As a turkish cypriot only thing that makes us angry is the greek cypriots who say that cyprus is greek... Thats wrong coz if they open their passport it is clearly written in turkish greek and english... I must also say that we saw the 2004 referandum that we said 65 percent yes to a new peace so stop being haters of people who live in cyprus as turkish cypriots..!

[@louisw.2208]

What Anatolian writing is true . thanks.

[@ConnoEnyo]

1 - There r obviously a lot of youngsters here arguing with no academic grounds so I'd like 2 set some things str8. Firstly, the island is Greek & always was. Hundreds of years after the initial settlement of Greeks, a small Turkish-Cypriot (i.e. mixed) population began 2 grow never exceeding 17% at the time. Such a minority is irrelevant. It is like saying UK is Pakistani & they have right 2 rule over the UK. They don't. They have right 2 live fairly but that is all. Cyprus never was Turkish.

[@DelCristo41]

I served in the Cypriot national guard and they only train soldiers defensive tactics...Turkey has half a millenium worth of genocidal history and mr Turkish politician fears for his people being slaughtered? Hence the 40000 mostly proffesional Troops placed in Northern Cyprus....Compared to the 10000 civilian conscripts of the Cypriot National Guard....

[@Vasilis719]

@AgartaliVaiz You had(as wikiepedia said) been aided "militarily" and "monetarily" by the soviets, as well as the aid you recieved from the French and Italians; while the Greek army was left to starve as a result of "allied" jealousy.

[@ConnoEnyo]

4 - Our brothers (the TurkCypriots) hav suffered extreme poverty & continue 2 live in 3rd world conditions whilst the free southern side has worked hard & in 40 yrs built a country that is as modern & rich as they come. Whilst Turkey does not allow the GreekCyrpiots ANY rights on the North, the Greeks ALLOW the TurkCypriots 2 work live & educate their children in the South, EVEN receiving BENEFITS. Turkish gvt has NEVER done ANYTHING 4 its 'children', who essentially became their slaves of war!

[@celall58g]

RE:Cyprus 1974 -Cyprus Truth!!! - Part watch this people

[@costas020287]

my friend, i dont know about you. but im 100% greek. i speak greek- we speak greek in the house- english is non existant. im greek orthodox.our national anthem is the greek national anthem- i love being greek. i am a pure blooded greek. now let me ask you a question. i belive your mom or dad is non greek, am i correct?

[@Vasilis719]

@AgartaliVaiz Let's look at what the "turk" has been to Cyprus, Greece, and the region it occupies for the last few hundred years. 1.)Is infamous for massacres of millions of native Greeks, Slavs, Armenians, etc. 2.)Pogroms of 1955 against Greeks instigated by the turkish government.(over Cyprus) 3.)Participated in British initiated secret "police" to harrass Greeks. 4.)Could not accept "Enosis", and it's historical and democratic right. NOW, go ahead and let this sink in.

[@Yianna2004]

one word... Margaret Thatcher... shivers...

[@Obasiliasfilosofos]

@SuliemanTheGreat Lesbos/Mytilenia is actually a popular tourist destination for gay-women from around the world to vacation, So when the islanders made their complaint known to European journalists , They went out of their way not to offend that special group of tourists also known as lesbians whom the islands economy depends on LOL! the two most famous Lesbians in history are Sappho and Barbarossa Hayreddin Pasha :)

[@iancmcintyre]

Lets stop fighting, our country (British citizen but I have lived in Cyprus for 23 years and spent much time in the North) is so ruined by the EU.

[@neos9898]

it has been 4 years since your comment but fuck you anyway british citizen

[@Nick85greek]

i know how his name dude, i was just typing fast. It already began:) you are not much of an expert in international relations i think. is there was a possible way to leave millions of kurds without a state in the 21st century????

[@Vasilis719]

@AgartaliVaiz Perhaps you read slow..but I just did. Running world shipping in the "private sector"(a concept that turkey hasn't been able to profit from..LOLOL) means "citizens" investing and profiting from building ships, transeferring goods, and making a great living. Tourism is a natural result of having a beautiful country and rich history..which thanks to us, you profit from in "toursim", since we built everything in turkey..LOLOL

[@KAF172]

LETS BE REALISTIC. GREEKS AND TURKS CAN'T LIVE TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING COMMON BETWEN THEM, TOTALLY DIFFERENT LANGUANGE, RELIGION & CULTURE, ALSO THEY TRIED TO LIVE TOGETHER IN THE PAST AND DID NOT WORKED, THEY CAN BE A VERY GOOD NEIGHBOURS THATS AS GOOD AS IT CAN GET.

[@Vasilis719]

@AgartaliVaiz..1 By all means, let's compare positions. 1.)GReeks constituted 80% of the population of the north the turks were invading in order to "protect" the turkish population. Gee, how "righteous"..LOL. Cyprus has been Greek since antiquity, and turks only entered the island via invasion in 1571. Article 20 of the treaty of Lausanne gave the turkish population the choice of going to live in turkey as turks, as stay in Cyprus as British nationals, so their was no "turkish" identity(1923).

[@Vasilis719]

@AgartaliVaiz..6 turkey has been found in in violation of international law and human rights violations by both the UN and European council of human rights. As for history..the turks in Anatolia are an invading race, who increased their population by forced interbreeding with the natives(Greeks, Armenians, etc.). The Byzantine empire ALONE in Greek history is 1,500 years; not to mention Constantinople, Smyrna, etc. are Greek cities, and Greeks have been living in Anatolia since antiquity.

[@napalmstrike2007]

@Gine012 I don't know who you are but only bad organization in our military was Gladio, and american dog organization which made some big assasinations and also they have killed a prime minister of Turkey:özal. Every nato country used to have a gladio organization in their armies,whichs duty was to arm civilians in soviet occupied cities against a possible soviet invasion of europe. after the cold war nearly all nato countries managed to destroy their gladio, but turkey couldn't manage it.

[@Nick85greek]

My friend it was a metaphor. I did not mean that there is gonna be an actual Annan Plan for the kurds. I meant the same mentality it would be applied there as well i.e. equal sharing power despite numbers. Freedom does not compel any organization my friend. Now turkey rushes to give some rights hopefully that the kurds will settle down, but they wont too late. A century of suppression is a lot. So they want at least autonomy. Man everyone wants to live under THEIR nation-state.

[@thermaikos47]

yes we fighting to be free,is this un leagal for the USa and for the red apps english

[@Vasilis719]

@AgartaliVaiz Really????. You had LOST land due to most treaties, and only have nation at the intervention of three nations(France, Italy, bolshevik Russia). Furthermore, the 35% of Cyprus was aquired during ceasefire, and ABSOLUTLEY in violation of the "treaty" of Cyprus' independance. As was pointed out, turkey's intial attempt to occupy Cyprus resulted in getting their asses handed to them by the small Greco/Cypriot resistance. About 3% of the island. Stop hiding behind the U.S

[@Nick85greek]

btw they didnt have izmir.!! ataturk rejected Serves treaty although sultan accept it and fought back. therefore greek army went on izmir to reinforce the treaty. the rest it's like you said.

[@joker12346969]

Cyprus is European? Have you looked at a map? Cyprus pretty far away from Europe and Greece and it is right below Turkey. I wouldn't say Turkey is an European country but at least it has territory in Europe while Cyprus doesn't.

[@Nick85greek]

dude stop being a moran. In istanbul it was greek turkish relations. you want me to send you my diploma???????

[@Nick85greek]

piiiii man seriously you neglect much things. no one in history fights for no reason. kurds have been fighthing since a long time. again why dont you read history, news etc etc. i dont get it. you are so interested in those matters but you didnt even try to make a research

[@MrNotebookguy]

The ships that Greek companies bought are made in Turkey. We have one of the biggest ship building facilities near Istanbul. We have resources? What resource we have that you don't. We are living here 75million of us you are just 12 million people enjoying the aids coming from EU every 6 months. By the way "Superiors"? Do you think anyone is a superior to another? If you have a thought like this I am not continuing debate with you. Good luck in life